The Great New World Discussion Thread

[FolhaS]

We've seen them call for back up.

But you're right, they'd probably never straight up run away, but they could hold position and not engage or decide to go and proctect the civilians. It's good for the marines to know where an emperor is sailing but it's not good for them to loose a couple of ships that simply run up to them. And I doubt that many vice-admirals would just charge into them if they knew they were unprepared.

Like when Momonga went to meet Boa Hancock, he wasn't there to fight so we just see him holding his ground. It's was a different scene last time we saw Amazon Lily, when the marines go to take down someone they bring everything they can.
I imagine some marine vessel noticing the Sunny in the horizon, and the first mate asking the captain what to do. "We'll call HQ and try to follow them discretely without getting their attention until the back up arrives. That's goddamn Monkey D. Luffy, son!"

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[Monquito]

It is oftenly theorized that even when you get the location of Laugh Tale, there's still some trick to access it.

And one of the most popular thoughts, is that you need a Ship made of Adam Tree wood to get in there, since the passage to Laugh Tale could be highly diffcult, any normal ship wouldn't make it.

Which makes me believe, Saber Of Xebec, is definitely made of Adam's Wood.

[DollarScholar]

We will have to see what Oda does with it, but I think giving Shillew Absolams invisibility fruit was a huge missed opportunity. The fan theory about Shillew killing Jozu and stealing the Diamond fruit setting up for Zoros final challenge of learning to cut Diamond made so much sense.

As for invisibility, its unclear how you can even get it to work at this point in the story when observation haki is a thing. I guess his battle with Zoro will come down to a battle of CoO? Which again makes no sense as that is supposed to be Sanjis speciality? Again, not a fan.

[Zik]

Cutting diamond isn't all that impressive with high indestructible centuries old poneglyphs stones and sea stone around.

Probably best not to put too much thought in Zoro's endgame fight and how it'll go.

Before Shillew even got the DF haki has long minimized devil fruit advantages.

[rawrfizzz]

Even if he can locate him with Haki, I imagine it would still be a nuisance. You know, just one more thing to keep track of. And I'm not sure how many things Zoro's brain can keep track of at once.

[Zar]

@rawrfizzz:

Even if he can locate him with Haki, I imagine it would still be a nuisance. You know, just one more thing to keep track of. And I'm not sure how many things Zoro's brain can keep track of at once.

Imagine if Shiryu awakens his DF and turns other things invisible.

Zoro. In an invisible room. Invisible walls, invisible tables, invisible stairs. Invisible everything.

If that happens I hope Sanji runs past and gets to see Zoro run straight into solid nothingness over and over.

[rawrfizzz]

@Zar:

Imagine if Shiryu awakens his DF and turns other things invisible.

Zoro. In an invisible room. Invisible walls, invisible tables, invisible stairs. Invisible everything.

If that happens I hope Sanji runs past and gets to see Zoro run straight into solid nothingness over and over.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH Yes please, all of the above

Actually, what if Zoro's predilection towards getting lost somehow works in the opposite way when everything is invisible and gives him flawless location abilities? Stupider things have happened.

[Chams]

@Zar:

Imagine if Shiryu awakens his DF and turns other things invisible.

Zoro. In an invisible room. Invisible walls, invisible tables, invisible stairs. Invisible everything.

If that happens I hope Sanji runs past and gets to see Zoro run straight into solid nothingness over and over.

Invisible stairs??? That's just horrible, he has to overcome Kuina's biggest enemy, made invisible on top of that

[sandman]

Sorry if my post is not appropriate for this thread..:ninja:

Speech styles are inevitably lost to some extent through the translation process.
Here are my personal rankings of OP characters in terms of polite Japanese speech style.

Brook > Coby > Fujitora, Urouge > Yamato, Cavendish > Kuma, Mihawk > Luffy, Zoro, Sanji (Sanji when talking with a male)

Shirahoshi >> Kiku > Tashigi > Robin, Nami > Ulti, Bonney, Perona > Big Mom

*Brook, Coby, Fujitora and Urouge talk politely even when fighting their enemies.

*Fujitora has an old-fashioned yakuza speech style (侠客). In contrast, Akainu has an aggressive Hiroshima yakuza speech style.

*Yamato's first person pronoun Boku is usually used by polite male.
Only a handful of adult males in OP (ex. Cavendish) call themselves Boku, so it gives us an impression that Yamato is well-brought-up. Yamato's speech style is similar to Cavendish.

*The name Coby is probably based on a JP word 媚び (Kobi; flattery) that has a similar pronunciation to Coby. He speaks pretty politely.

*Big Mom's first person pronoun Ore is mostly used by male and sounds more casual than Boku.
There are almost no female characters in OP whose first person is Ore. (Oda explained about Ore in SBS.)

*Shirahoshi's speech style is super-polite to the point of sounding funny and unnatural. lol

*If you talk like Luffy with your boss, you'll instantly get fired.
But it's not that his speech style is particularly rude compared to other brutal pirates.

[RomanceDawn]

Love it lol! Thank you for that Sandman!

[Captain M]

@sandman:

Sorry if my post is not appropriate for this thread..:ninja:

Speech styles are inevitably lost to some extent through the translation process.
Here are my personal rankings of OP characters in terms of polite Japanese speech style.

Brook > Coby > Fujitora, Urouge > Yamato, Cavendish > Kuma, Mihawk > Luffy, Zoro, Sanji (Sanji when talking with a male)

Shirahoshi >> Kiku > Tashigi > Robin, Nami > Ulti, Bonney, Perona > Big Mom

*Brook, Coby, Fujitora and Urouge talk politely even when fighting their enemies.

*Fujitora has an old-fashioned yakuza speech style (侠客). In contrast, Akainu has an aggressive Hiroshima yakuza speech style.

*Yamato's first person pronoun Boku is usually used by polite male.
Only a handful of adult males in OP (ex. Cavendish) call themselves Boku, so it gives us an impression that Yamato is well-brought-up. Yamato's speech style is similar to Cavendish.

*The name Coby is probably based on a JP word 媚び (Kobi; flattery) that has a similar pronunciation to Coby. He speaks pretty politely.

*Big Mom's first person pronoun Ore is mostly used by male and sounds more casual than Boku.
There are almost no female characters in OP whose first person is Ore. (Oda explained about Ore in SBS.)

*Shirahoshi's speech style is super-polite to the point of sounding funny and unnatural. lol

*If you talk like Luffy with your boss, you'll instantly get fired.
But it's not that his speech style is particularly rude compared to other brutal pirates.

Whether or not it's approriate, I love seeing this kind of insight from Japanese readers. Thanks for writing it up!

[Johnny B. Decent]

Apologies for the year old bump, but I couldn't find the Questions Thread.

Can anyone remember the in-story reason why Law become a Warlord? I think it was part of a plan to take down Doflamingo, and he was starting with Caesar or something?

[cavendishsama]

@Johnny-B-Decent Yes, he became a warlord to get to Punk Hazard and destroy the SAD room. Last page of 681.

[electricmastro]

So how many people here are excited to see Carrot, Rebecca, and Paulie fight alongside Luffy in the final war?

[Johnny B. Decent]

@electricmastro I've been thinking about the Big War for a while now, and I wonder when it actually will start.

We, the audience, will learn of the True History once Robin reads the Rio Poneglyph, but how will the world at large learn of it? And the knowledge of Imu's existence, there not supposed to be a World King and all, also will have to be revealed, too.

[electricmastro]

@Johnny-B-Decent said in The Great New World Discussion Thread:

@electricmastro I've been thinking about the Big War for a while now, and I wonder when it actually will start.

We, the audience, will learn of the True History once Robin reads the Rio Poneglyph, but how will the world at large learn of it? And the knowledge of Imu's existence, there not supposed to be a World King and all, also will have to be revealed, too.

I imagine crap will really start hitting the fan once things like Caribou’s knowledge of the weapons leak, as well as a witness leaking Im’s existence too, maybe Sabo or someone else.

[Cockycent]

Post timeskip arcs
8 Sabaody reunion
7 Punk Hazard
6 Reverie
5 Dressrosa
4 Fishman Island
3 Zou
2 Wano
1 WCI arc

[Zanze]

My list:

1. Whole Cake Island
   Up there with Alabasta, Enies Lobby and the likes for me. One Piece at its best.
2. Dressrosa
   Dressrosa was a slog week to week but I've enjoyed rereading it. The gladiators were fun and well-used and the beef between Law and Doffy was awesome. Plus it had Bartolomeo.
3. Wano
   High highs and low lows, much like Dressrosa but doesn't come together as good as the Doffy arc. Still, it has been entertaining mostly the whole through.
4. Zou
   It was short but memorable. Awesome location and Capone was a highlight.
5. Fishman Island
   The action in this arc was sub-par. The adventure secrion was pretty bad. I enjoyed the flashback though, and framing the villain as just a product of his environment was a very realistic choice for a shonen that I enjoyed seeing explored.
6. Punk Hazard
   Some enjoyable moments mostly from Law and Smoker, Caesar was very fun. But overall it dragged a lot and was not that fun.

Egghead has the potential to become second or even first, really enjoying it so far.

[Captain M]

I'm just gonna run through these in order and see if it I land on a precise ranking at the end.

Fishman Island
Severely underrated by the community. Beautiful art from a refreshed post-holiday Oda, some big contributions to the series' lore and worldbuilding, and themes of generational trauma and inherited hatred approached with a surprising amount of nuance. Hody's lacklustre crew definitely holds it back though.

Punk Hazard
A foundational arc for the new world, setting up science and alliance plot threads that are still playing out to this day, but it somehow ends up being totally unremarkable when taken on its own terms. Fun moments for returning characters like Law and Smoker, and I enjoyed the final set piece with the gas flooding the lab, but so much of the rest ends up being forgettable.

Dressrosa
This arc is Wano Jr - a bloated epic battle story with high highs, low lows, and a feeling that Oda bit off more than he could chew. The runaround of Operation SOP combined with the then-new break schedule had me questioning the commitment to the weekly read. The moment Usopp took out Sugar at the end of that sequence convinced me I was in it for life. Somehow managed to stick the landing after everything.

Zou
I honestly can't think of a single thing worth complaining about here. It was a fun twist on the formula to have half the crew already arrived to do a standard One Piece arc and then put together the details of that adventure through flashbacks while exploring. The reveal of the Lode Poneglyph leads to probably the most information about the eponymous treasure we've ever gotten in one place and even looking back on it makes me feel excited.

Whole Cake Island
The most successful big arc of the New World in terms of structure and pacing. Oda reigned himself in from the side character bloat of Dressrosa, drawing all of Big Mom's kids but making a clear distinction between the ones that were actual characters and the ones that were just set dressing. Loved the big set pieces of the wedding and naval battle escape, as well as the GoT-reference wedding assassination plot.

Wano
Bigger and more full of characters than anything that had come before, with pacing that reflects it. Kaido's first appearance, Oden's flashback and the start of the rooftop brawl are going to go down as all-time One Piece highlights. The Gear Five reveal is a huge pivot that will define everything still to come. But unlike the last flawed but lovable superarc, it doesn't stick the landing, instead backloading most of its biggest issues to leave a sour aftertaste.

Egghead
Great fun so far, with the retro futurist aesthetic of the setting feeling like the setting Punk Hazard's lab wasn't interesting enough to be. While I'm keeping my expectations in check for action in what will probably be a breather arc, my hopes are high for devil fruit and history lore, and keeping the worldbuilding machine chugging along.

I might rank the completed arcs
1: Whole Cake Island
2: Zou
3: Dressrosa
4: Wano
5: Fishman Island
6: Punk Hazard

Yeah, I have more positive things to say about Fishman Island and more negative ones about Dressrosa and Wano, but I'm a sucker for ambition and epics. A story that aims higher gets points just for trying.

[Marcotty]

Outside of a minor portion where I find the initial attack on Sugar to be rather annoying, I don't have any bigger issues with Dressrosa. Everything with the coliseum allies to grand fleet forming is probably my favorite element post timeskip OP has done. On the opposite side, I have little to nothing I care to ever revisit from the Zou arc again. I didn't like the minks then and the eventual payoff never ended up worth the ordeal. I'll skip to the scenes with Sanji and Bege and then skip right on through to leaving for WCI.

1. Dressrosa
2. WCI
3. Punk Hazard
4. Wano
5. Fishman Island
6. Zou

[electricmastro]

@Captain-M said in The Great New World Discussion Thread:

I'm just gonna run through these in order and see if it I land on a precise ranking at the end.

Fishman Island
Severely underrated by the community. Beautiful art from a refreshed post-holiday Oda, some big contributions to the series' lore and worldbuilding, and themes of generational trauma and inherited hatred approached with a surprising amount of nuance. Hody's lacklustre crew definitely holds it back though.

I get the feeling it has more to do with Vander Decken honestly. There was solid justification for why Hody was presented the way he was in Fishman Island, but Vander Decken, I'm still not sure.

[Captain M]

@electricmastro Hody is a pretty great villain if you consider his role in all those interesting themes of prejudice and generational trauma rather than his strength as a shonen punchy guy. His underlings, Decken included, are just all really forgettable, both in terms of personality and combat. I remember getting a few laughs out of Zeo's "I'm not owned" gimmick, but that's the only thing that made an impression out of all of them.

[black-leg jex]

@Zanze said in The Great New World Discussion Thread:

My list:

1. Whole Cake Island
   Up there with Alabasta, Enies Lobby and the likes for me. One Piece at its best.
2. Dressrosa
   Dressrosa was a slog week to week but I've enjoyed rereading it. The gladiators were fun and well-used and the beef between Law and Doffy was awesome. Plus it had Bartolomeo.
3. Wano
   High highs and low lows, much like Dressrosa but doesn't come together as good as the Doffy arc. Still, it has been entertaining mostly the whole through.
4. Zou
   It was short but memorable. Awesome location and Capone was a highlight.
5. Fishman Island
   The action in this arc was sub-par. The adventure secrion was pretty bad. I enjoyed the flashback though, and framing the villain as just a product of his environment was a very realistic choice for a shonen that I enjoyed seeing explored.
6. Punk Hazard
   Some enjoyable moments mostly from Law and Smoker, Caesar was very fun. But overall it dragged a lot and was not that fun.

Egghead has the potential to become second or even first, really enjoying it so far.

These are my feelings as well. WCI and Dressrosa are both so much better on a reread when its not weekly. Meanwhile I think Zou suffers when you have the foresight of its twist because of how much the first half exists to mislead the reader.

If we include Reverie and Return to Saboady though, they would be 3rd and 4th respectively. Both are short but both really enjoyable.

[Daz]

1: Punk Hazard. Has some really low lows (Zoro vs Monet, Sanji in Namis body, Law hijacking the plot), but is probably the most "classically" One Piece arc post skip which counts for a lot in my book.
2: Whole Cake Island. Very propulsive and more character-focused than its peers, it would be an easy number 1 if not for one glaring issue: The Vinsmokes. I hate everything about Sanjis revamped origins, and I especially hate the transition to flip the story to saving these """""cool""""" dickbags and the sweaty hoops the story jumps through to make this happen.
3: Fishman Island. Probably the most cohesive and focused post-skip arc, certainly thematically, but also it's missing a second act, the crew doesn't get to do much and...it's just not that exciting.
4: Dressrosa. A big sprawling knot of plotlines that it cannot possibly all service adequately; "Wano jr" is fitting as it shares many of the same problems, but to a lesser degree and with more compelling villains and emotional moments
5: Wano. It's not that there isn't good stuff here, but as the overstuffed culmination to the saga it completely collapses under it's own weight.
6: Zou. Exciting adventures in exposition! Zou gets my award for most criminally underutilized setting in the series, and like Marcotty it's just hard to think of anything exciting enough to compel me to read it again.