The Great New World Discussion Thread

TheLord

At this rate it's going to take Oda 20 fudging years to finish one piece.

All I want is to see Gold Roger fight. Mmmmm do love a filthy flashback. Plus Whitebeard said he got that big scar on his chest from Roger so I would love to see how he is justified as so strong with just a sword and potentially no devil fruit, just uber haki levels.

Does anybody think the straw hats will bump into any more of Roger's old crew in the new world? Eg. That big fella in the blue shirt standing next to Releigh on the Oro Jackson in Strong World: Episode 0?

Big love for serious replies…. big love for non serious replies also.

Miss Saturday

@TheLord:

At this rate it's going to take Oda 20 fudging years to finish one piece.

That's only five years away. Sooner than I thought, honestly.

Shadowgreed

@Miss:

That's only five years away. Sooner than I thought, honestly.

Let's give him 7.5 shall we

Flipper Pride

@MonkeyDLuffyy:

guys do you think Elbaf arc will be inspired by the fairytale '' Jack and the beanstalk '' ? You know where a gigantic beanstalk grows, which Jack climbs to a land filled with giants and that would be Elbaf ?

I would not be surprised.

Edit: It must be JACK!

Jack is the antagonist and the giants are the protagonists. It's that Jack broker guy bahaha

DollarScholar

Has an0yone pointed out that in removing the shichibukai by their own initiative, Fuji/Sakazuki is actually openly going against the World Government? The warlords work directly under the gorosei/WG and their purpose is to maintain the world balance as one of the three world powers.

Are the marines planning to revolt against the WG? I dont think the gorosei would stand for Sakazuki/Fujitoras initiative to destroy one of their most assets.

This has to lead to some sort of inner conflict between the marines an the WG

Flipper Pride

@Shadowgreed:

Let's give him 7.5 shall we

I honestly don't know what to do with my life once one piece is over.

Darth

@DollarScholar:

Has an0yone pointed out that in removing the shichibukai by their own initiative, Fuji/Sakazuki is actually openly going against the World Government? The warlords work directly under the gorosei/WG and their purpose is to maintain the world balance as one of the three world powers.

Are the marines planning to revolt against the WG? I dont think the gorosei would stand for Sakazuki/Fujitoras initiative to destroy one of their most assets.

This has to lead to some sort of inner conflict between the marines an the WG

Betting on the magma man.

Also, I have this beautiful image of Mariejoa burning and all of the resource wasting, ungodly stupid and arrogant World Nobles with it.

Military Junta for the win.

Schabrak

He would need to kill Kong, Garp and Sengoku first and that's not going to happen.

@Darth:

Military Junta for the win.

Boy, you've gone full retard.

Darth

@Schabrak:

He would need to kill Kong, Sakazuki and Sengoku first and that's not going to happen.

… Why would Sakazuki need to kill Sakazuki?

And regardless, why do we assume high brass has any loyalty left towards Gorosei? Hell, why do we assume Sengoku has any left? Kong I could understand, but we know very little about him and his motivations right now. Why would he side with WG against Marines?

Schabrak

The military has to serve the countries/governments, not rule them. There is a clear and right reason for the seperation of powers.

Darth

@Schabrak:

The military has to serve the citizens, not rule them.

And ruling them does not qualify as serving them anymore? I thought that was the whole point of most democratic rule: The idea of leaders serving the nation, and not the other way around.

And what are the basis of deciding that military cannot possibly rule?

Schabrak

separation of powers definition

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Who said a military couldn't rule? It would just be wrong. As much as you advocate such reign, have you ever considered to move into a country led by such priciples?

Darth

@Schabrak:

Who said a military couldn't rule? It would just be wrong. As much as you advocate such reign, have you ever considered to move into a country led by such priciples?

Yes.

And by the way, Poland had some succesful military junta during the first half of XX century. Way more succesful then our tries at democracy, in fact. Do not dismiss the system just like that.

And besides, I would trust principles of United States about as far as I can throw them.

And you still not explained how would that work in context of One Piece universe. Gorosei, as far as we know, are not elected. Why would you side with one authorative goverment over marines, exactly? I fail to see the benefits, except for it simply being principle.

King Cannon

@Darth:

Betting on the magma man.

Also, I have this beautiful image of Mariejoa burning and all of the resource wasting, ungodly stupid and arrogant World Nobles with it.

Military Junta for the win.

That's the job of the Revolutionaries, not the Marines.

Their entire point is to overthrown the current WG.

So yeah, don't expect Akainu to do anything about the World Nobles. That should be done by people who actually have an emotional conflict against them.

Miura

@King:

That's the job of the Revolutionaries, not the Marines.

Their entire point is to overthrown the current WG.

So yeah, don't expect Akainu to do anything about the World Nobles. That should be done by people who actually have an emotional conflict against them.

The marines don't have an emotional conflict against the higher ups?

King Cannon

@Miura:

The marines don't have an emotional conflict against the higher ups?

Compared to the likes of Dragon, Sabo, Koala and even Luffy? Not really.

No Marine has been shown to actually suffer because of the World Nobles. That's why it doesn't make sense for Akainu to be the responsible for their downfall.

Darth

@King:

Compared to the likes of Dragon, Sabo, Koala and even Luffy? Not really.

No Marine has been shown to actually suffer because of the World Nobles. That's why it doesn't make sense for Akainu to be the responsible for their downfall.

And you do realize that playing against the expectations is the way to keep the story fresh?

Schabrak

Oda is gonna play against the expectation of Luffy becoming PK? Akainu is gonna rule the world?

King Cannon

@Darth:

And you do realize that playing against the expectations is the way to keep the story fresh?

By making the Revolutionaries utterly pointless?

Seriously, taking down the World Nobles and the WG is Dragon's ultimate goal, it was a World Noble that almost killed Sabo and made the King of Goa set the Grey Terminal on fire (the survivors became Revolutionaries too), it was the World Nobles who enslaved Koala and Fisher Tiger, Kuma lost his humanity because of the WG… and you think Akainu is the one who deserves to take them down?

This wouldn't keep the story fresh. It would ruin the entire development Oda has been giving to the conflict between the Revolutionaries and the World Government/Nobles.

Just let Akainu deal with the Pirates like he should.

benjamminbrown

The whole Akainu/Luffy subversion of the "good guy" and "bad guy" roles is already playing with our expectations and is one of the reasons the story of One Piece is so interesting to begin with.

Maromi

I see Kuzan, Fujitora, and possibly Garp and Sengoku having a beef with the World Government in general, but not really Akainu. Unless the WG suddenly decides "woah, slow down with the killing everything that looks like a pirate there, man!" and trys to limit Akainu's authority and goes all "NOT JUSTICE ENOUGHHHHH" and retaliates, I just see him as following orders obediently. In the name of Justice, of course.

Shadowgreed

@Darth:

And you do realize that playing against the expectations is the way to keep the story fresh?

Spinoff, Darth spinoff, so don't die before somebody takes this project.

Schabrak

There should be room for another OP spin-off in Saikyou Jumo with Chopperman gone.

Roronoa Zacho

@Maromi:

I see Kuzan, Fujitora, and possibly Garp and Sengoku having a beef with the World Government in general, but not really Akainu. Unless the WG suddenly decides "woah, slow down with the killing everything that looks like a pirate there, man!" and trys to limit Akainu's authority and goes all "NOT JUSTICE ENOUGHHHHH" and retaliates, I just see him as following orders obediently. In the name of Justice, of course.

I guess after this arc is done we will see Akainu yelling at the Gorosei how a "mere pirate" like Doffy can pull a newspaper-trick to fool even the marines. I'd love to see how even Akainu has a problem how the WG rules the world. It'd make things even more complicated on the "absolute justice" side. Imagine an Enel-face on Akainu when he hears that Doffy once was a tenryuubito. People he protected in the worst case when he was an admiral.

Lolouta

He knew that Doffy was a tenryuubito

SH-Avenger

So with heavy beef incoming from two yonkous, I'm wondering what Odas got up his sleeve.

In Luffy's own brash, headfirst, stupid way I think he's creating a conflict between two yonkou. Both are going to want his head, and I don't think they're used to sharing. I'm having epic visions of a New World catastrophe, a gigantic war brewing with 3 sides; Luffy v Big Mom v Kaido

SHpirates

@SH-Avenger:

So with heavy beef incoming from two yonkous, I'm wondering what Odas got up his sleeve.

In Luffy's own brash, headfirst, stupid way I think he's creating a conflict between two yonkou. Both are going to want his head, and I don't think they're used to sharing. I'm having epic visions of a New World catastrophe, a gigantic war brewing with 3 sides; Luffy v Big Mom v Kaido

remember some allies, like kid apoo, hawkins and law should somehow be on his side, with their crew, and maybe some other guys so they actually stand a chance…

Sparxx1

@SH-Avenger:

So with heavy beef incoming from two yonkous, I'm wondering what Odas got up his sleeve.

In Luffy's own brash, headfirst, stupid way I think he's creating a conflict between two yonkou. Both are going to want his head, and I don't think they're used to sharing. I'm having epic visions of a New World catastrophe, a gigantic war brewing with 3 sides; Luffy v Big Mom v Kaido

I dig this. Would be pretty awesome. Maybe in the end Luffy beats Big mum while luffy and kaido get
heavily injured and both escape to clash another day? I dont see Kaido falling that early though

Mr.point

I've been wondered what are these things in usopp ears?!!

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Fragments

@Mr.point:

I've been wondered what are these things in usopp ears?!!

! [qimg]http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130429231253/onepiece/images/3/36/Usopp_Manga_Post_Timeskip_Infobox.png[/qimg]

Water sprinklers.

Tyrano

@Mr.point:

I've been wondered what are these things in usopp ears?!!

! http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130429231253/onepiece/images/3/36/Usopp_Manga_Post_Timeskip_Infobox.png

Looks like Dials from sky island.
Probably ear protection for guns? Although Usopp uses slingshots.

Schabrak

The worlds first walkman created with sound dials.

Timbo

@SH-Avenger:

So with heavy beef incoming from two yonkous, I'm wondering what Odas got up his sleeve.

In Luffy's own brash, headfirst, stupid way I think he's creating a conflict between two yonkou. Both are going to want his head, and I don't think they're used to sharing. I'm having epic visions of a New World catastrophe, a gigantic war brewing with 3 sides; Luffy v Big Mom v Kaido

that strikes me as completely reasonable. We should also not forget that Big Mom is after Caesar and it is most likely in Kaidou's interest to keep Caesar at arm's reach from her.

Not to mention the following:

-The blackbeard pirates lost the fire fruit to the revolutionaries - I definetly think this will spark a conflict.
-The redhair pirates are allies of the Strawhats, if the other Yonkou try to act up too much, I don't think Shanks will sit idle while Luffy is risking his life.
-Doflamingo is currently trying to not only kill the Strawhats, but also several officers from the Marine HQ. Let's say the world nobles would try to defend Doflamingo, could that not let to a conflict between the Tenryuubito and the marines?

We are looking at a very impulsive and chaotic future in the OP world

DollarScholar

@Timbo:

that strikes me as completely reasonable. We should also not forget that Big Mom is after Caesar and it is most likely in Kaidou's interest to keep Caesar at arm's reach from her.

Not to mention the following:
-The blackbeard pirates lost the fire fruit to the revolutionaries - I definetly think this will spark a conflict.
-The redhair pirates are allies of the Strawhats, if the other Yonkou try to act up too much, I don't think Shanks will sit idle while Luffy is risking his life.
-Doflamingo is currently trying to not only kill the Strawhats, but also several officers from the Marine HQ. Let's say the world nobles would try to defend Doflamingo, could that not let to a conflict between the Tenryuubito and the marines?

We are looking at a very impulsive and chaotic future in the OP world

Not on a large scale. Blackbeard is busy chasing down other fruits, he will brush it off as not being "Fate". Nobody is going to go to war over the loss of the Mera Mera no Mi. With Haki everywhere in the new world, Logias arent what they used to be and its not like they desperatley need the Fire fruit.

Timbo

@DollarScholar:

Not on a large scale. Blackbeard is busy chasing down other fruits, he will brush it off as not being "Fate". Nobody is going to go to war over the loss of the Mera Mera no Mi. With Haki everywhere in the new world, Logias arent what they used to be and its not like they desperatley need the Fire fruit.

Really? Cause I think the Mera Mera stands out somewhat, mainly in symbolic value of course. It is also one of the most powerful fruits Blackbeard have available.

DollarScholar

@Timbo:

Really? Cause I think the Mera Mera stands out somewhat, mainly in symbolic value of course. It is also one of the most powerful fruits Blackbeard have available.

Its a Waste time and casualties to going to war against the Revolutionaries for One fruit, instead of just stay in the new world and hunt down other Logias or even Mythical Zoan fruits.
The Fire fruit isnt THAT special compared to what else is out there these days… It doesnt have much symbolic value to BB.

RamistaR

Yeah but when BB wants something, he can do crazy stuff.

Schabrak

@Timbo:

I don't think Shanks will sit idle while Luffy is risking his life.

Excluding the first chapter, he let Luffy risk his life in every single situation without doing anything himself.

DollarScholar

@RamistaR:

Yeah but when BB wants something, he can do crazy stuff.

Yeah you are right, all bets are off with BB. But it would still be a rather Irrational decision, and i doubt the BB pirates would be able to track Dragon down. the WG has been trying for a long time.

Not to mention if the Revolutionaries and a Yonko battled, Akainu would be waiting by the sidelines creaming himself like BB during Marineford and kill all the survivors once the battle is over. A conflict like this Is probably his wet dream.

RamistaR

@DollarScholar:

Yeah you are right, all bets are off with BB. But it would still be a rather Irrational decision, and i doubt the BB pirates would be able to track Dragon down. the WG has been trying for a long time.

Not to mention if the Revolutionaries and a Yonko battled, Akainu would be waiting by the sidelines creaming himself like BB during Marineford and kill all the survivors once the battle is over. A conflict like this Is probably his wet dream.

That's very true. But I don't want to see Burgess leaving Dressrosa without a good fight against Sabo.:sad:

Timbo

@Schabrak:

Excluding the first chapter, he let Luffy risk his life in every single situation without doing anything himself.

hahaha, yeah that is perfectly true. But when we're talking about Luffy going against Yonkous and Shanks being in a position where Luffy might leave shit on Shank's doorsteps, I don't think he can stay out of the conflict for long enough.

DollarScholar

@RamistaR:

That's very true. But I don't want to see Burgess leaving Dressrosa without a good fight against Sabo.:sad:

I think that has to happen in some form (be it just a prolonged skirmish) or alot of readers will be dissapointed. You cant just bring in Jesus Burgess like that and not show him having a proper violent confrontation, and Sabo needs a highly formidable opponent aswell.
The Only reason i can see for Oda to not do it is that it could possibly overshadow Luffy vs Doffy a bit, pr that he is in a hurry to get the plot forward.

RamistaR

After this week's episode of Games of Thrones, I feel the need to write something really deep: I LOVE YOU ODA !!!

madriano

@RamistaR:

After this week's episode of Games of Thrones, I feel the need to write something really deep: I LOVE YOU ODA !!!

Because he doesn't kill all his characters like R.R Martin…?

RamistaR

@madriano:

Because he doesn't kill all his characters like R.R Martin…?

Yes, especially when it comes to Okama.

black_sowrdsman_kirito

Is anyone else afraid that franky is gonna die soon?

valiantt

@black_sowrdsman_kirito:

Is anyone else afraid that franky is gonna die soon?

…wuh? Um...no? What a random character to consider for the noose.

I might as well be worried that Oda will ax off the Square sisters.

And if you're presuming that Franky will be killed by Senor Pink...then...

The Franky Tank

@valiantt:

…wuh? Um...no? What a random character to consider for the noose.

I might as well be worried that Oda will ax off the Square sisters.

And if you're presuming that Franky will be killed by Senor Pink...then...

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/portrait-pomeranian-white-background-10468441.jpg

If any of the Straw Hats were to die, and that's a big IF, it would be during one of the very last arcs. If Franky was to die, it would be in a epic way, one the would fit his Superness.

Champ

@The:

If any of the Straw Hats were to die, and that's a big IF, it would be during one of the very last arcs. If Franky was to die, it would be in a epic way, one the would fit his Superness.

I always figured if one died it would be Usopp.

Darth

I figured that with all those life-shortening techniques and stunt, Luffy would drop dead from natural causes being twenty, or something along those lines.