I see oars becoming a Pacifista. that would be badass.
I'm sending you the bill for my mental therapy.
Chapter 555 "Oars and kasa" Discussion
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I'm sending you the bill for my mental therapy.
need my address first anyway, zombie is kinda old, pacifista is much better, vegapunk will never get anyone that big ever again. giant laser beam. Harder than steel body, and most of all a BRAIN.
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Chun Li Hancock.
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I seriously doubt Luffy has enough left in him to take on another adversary, its surprising he can stand up.
There's only one way for Luffy to regain any kind of instant recovery and that's through Kuma's abilities. But there's more chance of Enel descending down from the heavens and Teabagging Sengoku.
I'm quite perplexed at how Oda could possibly play this out. (not the teabagging obviously)
That Enel thing would be disturbing yet funny, anyway I think Luffy is still capable of going gear 2nd but he's gonna sleep for weeks after the war no doubt.
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need my address first anyway, zombie is kinda old, pacifista is much better, vegapunk will never get anyone that big ever again. giant laser beam. Harder than steel body, and most of all a BRAIN.
You just hit six figures. And have no doubt…...I will find you!
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Garp is most likely on a tea break.
Garp is with the Vice-Admirals. He's that Dog Zoan there. 99% sure.
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Garp is with the Vice-Admirals. He's that Dog Zoan there. 99% sure.
Isn't garp the one that cornered the PK several times? A Dog Zoan wouldn't be really fitting for him, he was an admiral so I think that Garp has a Logia DF or NO devil fruit.
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That dog zoan isn't Garp. 100% sure.
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100% doesn't exist with opinion.
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need my address first anyway, zombie is kinda old, pacifista is much better, vegapunk will never get anyone that big ever again. giant laser beam. Harder than steel body, and most of all a BRAIN.
Oars becoming a Pacifista would be stupid and completely un-Oda-like. From what we've seen Vegapunk might even be working with the Revolutionaries. Sure, he can build a few Kuma-clones (which, considering the fact that Kuma is probably with the revolutionaries, are probably programmed to betray the marines at some point or another), but he's definitely not going to build a 100 foot tall Pacifista for the marines. Not to mention, as I said before, that idea is really fucking dumb. But hey, it's a Narutossss post. There's bound to be something stupid in it.
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Garp is with the Vice-Admirals. He's that Dog Zoan there. 99% sure.
You seriously have to not understand anything about storytelling to think that guy is him.
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Durr I Will Show This Character As Conflicted About The Conflcit And Its Subject, His Entry Into The Cmbat Will Therefore Be As Some Face In A Crows That Isnt Even Fully On Screen.
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Oars becoming a Pacifista would be stupid and completely un-Oda-like. From what we've seen Vegapunk might even be working with the Revolutionaries. Sure, he can build a few Kuma-clones (which, considering the fact that Kuma is probably with the revolutionaries, are probably programmed to betray the marines at some point or another), but he's definitely not going to build a 100 foot tall Pacifista for the marines. Not to mention, as I said before, that idea is really fucking dumb. But hey, it's a Narutossss post. There's bound to be something stupid in it.
I don't see why it's dumb for Vegabank to built a 100 feet pacifista
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I keep wondering. What if Whitebeard doesn't die? How would that play out?
I've been considering this as well, but I haven't developed many theories. Especially considering all the hype Oda has put on this war, as well as BB's proclaimations of putting on a great show, so something has to go down.
What I've considered and now this is a good possibility is that WB will still manage to win the war and save Ace, but will be de-titled/de-throned and perhaps even lose his life during the process of rescuing Ace.
After this, we can have BB emerge as the new strongest and Ace takes over the WB crew. This allows Ace to have to room to grow as a captain again, also gives Luffy something to case after, and also gives BB room to grow as we know he's quite careless and will have to continue to work at being titled as the new "strongest"
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Both Ace and Whitebeard will die.
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@joekido:
I don't see why it's dumb for Vegabank to built a 100 feet pacifista
To put it simply, we barely know anything about Vegapunk. Narutossss suggesting that he should model Oars' corpse into a pacifista is pure bullshit. There was absolutely nothing to back up that statement besides him thinking it was a good idea. Not to mention I think (assuming he doesn't get his shit completely fucked up in the war) Moria's already called dibs on the corpse.
Also, I really hope that Oars actually does die. He was a good plot tool to show off the strength of the Shichibukai, but I hope that that's all he really is. He's not very developed character-wise and I would be sort of disappointed if he ended up doing something game-changing during the war. That spot's saved for Luffy and Blackbeard.
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My money is still on WB winning the war, limping away victorious after having saved Ace, AND meeting/complimenting Luffy and making note that Luffy reminds him of Roger…
at which point WB will die from his pre-existing wounds and injuries that hes had since he was first introduced, since sickness seems to be the easy way out Oda likes.
And I still dont believe for a second that Oars is dead. Back after Arlong, I'd have believed it. But since then? Oda just has too much precident against death since Pell/Skpedia. Oars might be unconcious and out fo the fight... but he aint dead.
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There is absolutely no way in hell the Marines are being beaten.
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Quite a strange chapter this one… I don't really get it.
Did Oda intend to show off the strength of the Shichi?
Or did he want to put some drama so it looks more like a war that an ability show off? Either way, as someone pointed out, the players are all set, time for some real action.
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I'm pretty sure Whitebeard will die by the hands of Blackbeard. It not only gives Blackbeard a spot at the top for the rest of the series, but it will open up a whole new set of the doors as to where the plot goes (Fishman Island will be taken over by pirates, etc.).
The marines will win, but at the same time lose a lot of authority. I'm predicting that the pirate age will only get stronger after WB croaks. One thing for sure is that the marines will not be going down in this war. Sure, Blackbeard's gonna be the true winner of the war, but they'll be a close second. Not to mention Luffy needs to beat the shit out of an admiral. And that's definitely not happening for atleast another 100 chapters.
Not sure where Oda is going with Ace. At first I thought he was going to die… but then he reveals the whole "son of the Pirate King" thing... and then he starts piling on a bunch of background information. He's really fleshing out Ace's character and making him a lot more likeable. I want to say that Ace will take over WB's pirate crew, but at the same time... fuck no.
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Quite a strange chapter this one… I don't really get it.
Did Oda intend to show off the strength of the Shichi?
Or did he want to put some drama so it looks more like a war that an ability show off? Either way, as someone pointed out, the players are all set, time for some real action.
10x for trans and scans!Why can't it be both drama and ability reveal? Why is the drama false if it's integrated with the other part?
Re: Chapter 555 "Oars and kasa" Discussion
I'm pretty sure Whitebeard will die by the hands of Blackbeard. It not only gives Blackbeard a spot at the top for the rest of the series, but it will open up a whole new set of the doors as to where the plot goes (Fishman Island will be taken over by pirates, etc.).The marines will win, but at the same time lose a lot of authority. I'm predicting that the pirate age will only get stronger after WB croaks. One thing for sure is that the marines will not be going down in this war. Sure, Blackbeard's gonna be the true winner of the war, but they'll be a close second. Not to mention Luffy needs to beat the shit out of an admiral. And that's definitely not happening for atleast another 100 chapters.
Not sure where Oda is going with Ace. At first I thought he was going to die… but then he reveals the whole "son of the Pirate King" thing... and then he starts piling on a bunch of background information. He's really fleshing out Ace's character and making him a lot more likeable. I want to say that Ace will take over WB's pirate crew, but at the same time... fuck no.
A stronger age of pirates?
No way in hell.You're underestimating Whitebeard, kids are talking about him like a legendary figure, it's already an accepted fact that he's a beast that can take on the government. If they beat him after a hard bloody fight this won't reflect badly on them at all. Especially when they still end up executing Ace.
Having a pirate era get stronger will make for a wimpier second half of the series, where Luffy is living in a glorious period for people like him. Where the competition and challenges will be good natured between people who fundamentally like eachother.
There's a new pirate era coming, but it won't be the golden age one.
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Hey Jacko, welcome back
Whatever happened to this?
Haha, everyone makes mistakes!
One reason, why i thought these two pics were fake was the necklace Oars jr was wearing on the last page of 554.It was without black ink and on the two spoiler pics it was inked.
Logic would say Oda makes no mistakes, reality says he inked the necklace.
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I bet we'll see oars jr. dancing in the background with a stump at whitebeards victory party, or something.
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You're underestimating Whitebeard, kids are talking about him like a legendary figure, it's already an accepted fact that he's a beast that can take on the government. If they beat him after a hard bloody fight this won't reflect badly on them at all.
I think that Blackbeard, not the marines, is going to kill Whitebeard though. And knowing Blackbeard, he's not going to stay in the position of Shichibukai forever. He's constantly talking about how how the Age of Pirate is never going to die. And after he said "In just a couple of hours, I'll show you a show to rock the world to it's core" do you really think he's going to make sure the marines are going to take all the credit for killing Whitebeard? Fuck, if anything, Blackbeard wants the pirate age to get stronger. The marines are still going to be powerful after the war, but after everyone in the world sees Blackbeard personally murder Whitebeard, there's no way in hell that the pirate age isn't going to get even more wild, especially when everyone finds out that Whitebeard was just using the marines so he could come out on top. Also, with all of Whitebeard's territory taken? Shit's up for grabs.
Especially when they still end up executing Ace.
Can't really disagree OR agree on this one for now. I'll have to see what happens in future chapters. It's too tricky to tell if Ace is really going to die.
Having a pirate era get stronger will make for a wimpier second half of the series, where Luffy is living in a glorious period for people like him. Where the competition and challenges will be good natured between people who fundamentally like eachother.
I sort of have a gut feeling that the Shichibukai are going to break away from the marines after this war. The world's not going to be glorious with people like Moria building a massive army of the undead and Doflamingo running a massive slave trade. Not to mention there's going to be new rivalries over territory left over by Whitebeard, which will obviously cause conflict.
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Giant peg-leg. It'd be the most awesome way to go if he doesn't die.
Once again, I'm all up for Ace and all of the WB pirates meeting their end, but we've already seen that Luffy thinks that the shattering of a dream is worse than death. So Ace is probably gonna live whilst old Whitey (pretty much the embodiment of the old era) passes on. This means that Luffy rages about what's happened to him and…stuff happens. Nothing that hasn't been said before, but hey.
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Oars becoming a Pacifista would be stupid and completely un-Oda-like. From what we've seen Vegapunk might even be working with the Revolutionaries. Sure, he can build a few Kuma-clones (which, considering the fact that Kuma is probably with the revolutionaries, are probably programmed to betray the marines at some point or another), but he's definitely not going to build a 100 foot tall Pacifista for the marines. Not to mention, as I said before, that idea is really fucking dumb. But hey, it's a Narutossss post. There's bound to be something stupid in it.
first of all it isn't a bad idea, second you nor I know nothing about vegapunk, third I said the idea would be badass noting else, please explain to me how making oars a pacifista would be a dump/stupid idea.
If your at it, please tell how it wouldn't be oda like and what is oda like
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I think that Blackbeard, not the marines, is going to kill Whitebeard though.
So do I (indirectly he will) but he's affiliated with them remember?
They will have won the battle and carried out their goal, killing Ace.Fuck, if anything, Blackbeard wants the pirate age to get stronger. The marines are still going to be powerful after the war, but after everyone in the world sees Blackbeard personally murder Whitebeard, there's no way in hell that the pirate age isn't going to get even more wild, especially when everyone finds out that Whitebeard was just using the marines so he could come out on top.
What the fuck are you talking about.
That aside, a sneaky pirate causing the death of the vanguard of golden age piracy is going to inspire people how?
Can't really disagree OR agree on this one for now. I'll have to see what happens in future chapters. It's too tricky to tell if Ace is really going to die.
Too easy if you know the SS.
I sort of have a gut feeling that the Shichibukai are going to break away from the marines after this war.
Do you even remember what Boa is there for? And we have no reason to think the others will.
The world's not going to be glorious with people like Moria building a massive army of the undead and Doflamingo running a massive slave trade. Not to mention there's going to be new rivalries over territory left over by Whitebeard, which will obviously cause conflict.
Between the emperors.
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So do I (indirectly he will) but he's affiliated with them remember?
They will have won the battle and carried out their goal, killing Ace.I already said that he's going to fuck over the marines shortly after. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a win for the marines if right after Whitebeard's death we see Blackbeard take over Whitebeard's role in the world.
What the fuck are you talking about.
That aside, a sneaky pirate causing the death of the vanguard of golden age piracy is going to inspire people how?Meant BB instead of WB there. We already know there's countless silver medalists that were all thirsty for Whitebeard's blood. They wanted WB dead so they could take his place. If WB's dead, we're sure to see the medalists make their move, even if BB did take WB's place.
Do you even remember what Boa is there for? And we have no reason to think the others will.
Boa's a good point. However, we already know that there's a few Shichibukai (Jimbei, possibly Doflamingo, Kuma) who might have lost interest in the role of Shichibukai. Since I think the pirate age is going to get stronger, I can't think of a better time for them to abandon their position as Shichibukai. Fuck, I feel like I worded this paragraph awkwardly.
Between the emperors.
Not necessarily. We have to see how Blackbeard's going to play into this. You also say that as if the emperors are the only pirates strong enough to take over Whitebeard's territory.
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first of all it isn't a bad idea, second you nor I know nothing about vegapunk, third I said the idea would be badass noting else, please explain to me how making oars a pacifista would be a dump/stupid idea.
If your at it, please tell how it wouldn't be oda like and what is oda like
Try taking a basic english class and then get back to me.
It's un-Oda-like because he wouldn't sacrifice the plot in exchange for something "badass." And really? Oars becoming Pacifista? How ISN'T that dumb? Or as you say, "dump."
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This would be the perfect place for WB to die although I really don't want him to die..on the other hand if he does die I'm not sure Ace will be taking over the crew maybe they will disband like with Roger's crew but after seeing Marco and Jozu's cool abilities I doubt that will happen either.We can only wait and see
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What the fuck are you talking about.
That aside, a sneaky pirate causing the death of the vanguard of golden age piracy is going to inspire people how?
I agree but with WB dead the balance would be lost.
@Bucephalus:Try taking a basic english class and then get back to me.
It's un-Oda-like because he wouldn't sacrifice the plot in exchange for something "badass." And really? Oars becoming Pacifista? How ISN'T that dumb? Or as you say, "dump."
It's funny how you don't explain anything but rant about my spelling:ninja: I'm guessing your Oda sensei's best friend. We have a light man, diamond man, ice man, 100 foot zombie, rubber man, and a 100 foot pacifista is dumb….. It's ok I won't reply to you anymore, you're full of crap anyway.
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The arc will end when Davy Jones rises up and sucks Shirohige into the Sea. He'll then nullify everyone's DF powers and put everything back on an equal playing field.
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No, but seriously, the Marines are going to lose and Shirohige is going to die. The stage is set for a New Era; If Shirohige wins and takes back Ace, the Marines will be utterly destroyed, but Shirohige and Ace's combined might would still pacify the New World. If they succeeded in defeating the Marines, but Ace and Shirohige die in the process, the World would be thrown into Chaos. To put it in Doflamingo's Words, it would become an era where "Only the Strong Survive", because anyone else would end up dead. No Marines = lawlessness, and no Shirohige = most of the guys that were being held back from rampaging in the New World/Gyojin Island will be unstoppable. It'll be the Nightmare Scenario and the "New Era" that Doflamingo Prophesized 250 Chapters ago.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fiasco.:
Where is my early WB unicorn mythical bisento theory? I found a worthy candidate…
! http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000381/000069362/02-03.jpg
Wow, nice theory man, and I don't say that alot.
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@Fire Fist:
The arc will end when Davy Jones rises up and sucks Shirohige into the Sea. He'll then nullify everyone's DF powers and put everything back on an equal playing field.
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No, but seriously, the Marines are going to lose and Shirohige is going to die. The stage is set for a New Era; If Shirohige wins and takes back Ace, the Marines will be utterly destroyed, but Shirohige and Ace's combined might would still pacify the New World. If they succeeded in defeating the Marines, but Ace and Shirohige die in the process, the World would be thrown into Chaos. To put it in Doflamingo's Words, it would become an era where "Only the Strong Survive", because anyone else would end up dead. No Marines = lawlessness, and no Shirohige = most of the guys that were being held back from rampaging in the New World/Gyojin Island will be unstoppable. It'll be the Nightmare Scenario and the "New Era" that Doflamingo Prophesized 250 Chapters ago.
Before I couldn't see WB dying but after that warlord beating oars toke I change my mind. Any side can win this fight but the WG has token one main chess piece. I hope WB pirates takes a few too… dofla first I hope:getlost:
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I already said that he's going to fuck over the marines shortly after. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a win for the marines if right after Whitebeard's death we see Blackbeard take over Whitebeard's role in the world.
Alright now I wanna know what you think Blackbeard's going to do to kill Whitebeard, because getting someone killed is not tantamount to becoming their equal.
Meant BB instead of WB there. We already know there's countless silver medalists that were all thirsty for Whitebeard's blood. They wanted WB dead so they could take his place. If WB's dead, we're sure to see the medalists make their move, even if BB did take WB's place.
Those silver medalists were all those failed guys in Level 6 of Impel Down.
I don't think you understood the metaphor.Since I think the pirate age is going to get stronger, I can't think of a better time for them to abandon their position as Shichibukai. Fuck, I feel like I worded this paragraph awkwardly.
You're acting like all of their ambitions revolved around Whitebeard.
Not necessarily. We have to see how Blackbeard's going to play into this. You also say that as if the emperors are the only pirates strong enough to take over Whitebeard's territory.
Presumably they're leaps and bounds over the rest, I'm sure there's a few more on the level, but very few.
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Another nice chapter.
but where the hell are you Luffy, we're missing you ^^
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Before I couldn't see WB dying but after that warlord beating oars toke I change my mind. Any side can win this fight but the WG has token one main chess piece. I hope WB pirates takes a few too… dofla first I hope:getlost:
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I always thought that Ace was going to survive this ordeal, WB win the war, and Blackbeard shows up to punk WB in front of the entire world with his newfound crew of Level 6 Pirates. The three major factions in this world (Emperors, WG, Warlords) have to get knocked down a peg so that there can be a free-for-all in The New World. Everybody has to suffer tremendous causalities (maybe Smoker can get his promotion/rank that way (through necessity) so he can gather a crew worthy of The New World? Who knows.)
The unanswered questions of this battle are basically "Will __________ die and how will their death affect the world?" since we all know that Blackbeard is going to come out on top when this is all said and done.
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Welcome to the Z∑phos Pirate Crew!
We're glad to see you here and hop you enjoy the stay.
Among the things you're prohibited from doing are for instance: Speaking badly of Donflamingo! Please don't! Thank you! We hope to be seeing more of you!Dofla will get a jet pistol to the face, croc will dry him up, nami will steal all his money. oh yea… buggy then kills him
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One PIece is still Luffy's story. He's already met a whole bunch of guys he's lost to. Dramatically, whats the point of Smoker, Aokiji, Kizaru, Sentomaru, Vegapunk, Pacifistas, the Elder Stars, the Tenryubiito, and the Shichi if during this war, Whitebeard and his cronies take them all out and Luffy never has to match up to them? Whats the point of Luffy declaring war on the WG during Water 7 and Shabondy? Of higher and higher bounties?
It would be an interesting and incredibly unexpected shift if the WG fell during this arc, but dramatically, and given whats been set up before now, there's no way they're losing. Whitebeard falling shakes the world up FAR more and makes things HARDER, while still leaving all the pre-existing enemies and situations in play for Luffy to deal with.
WB is going to give a hell of a fight, but he's going to lose. Same way Mihawk is going to be Zoro's final serious opponent, because nothing else can measure up to the the 10 years and growing buildup that rematch has had. (Anyone expecting Blackbeard's new guy to be the final fight for Zoro is PROBABLY mistaken, but it'll be 10 years before we know. Feel free to call me out on that when the time comes if I'm wrong.)
I mean, that would be like if Sasuke finally had his long anticipted showdown with Itachi and the entire fight was nothign but illusions and Itachi threw the fight and was revealed to not be the actual badguy after all. It would break the established story, tension, and built up emotion.
The pirate world, and especially fishman island, being in disaray from WB's fall is far more interesting.
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WB will get his ass kicked….seriously...How the hell can he beat the WG, he only got Marco and Jozu and then who ? Doma who surrendered to Ace??
So it is....
WB - Marco - Jozu - Jimbei - NW captains...
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Admirals - Sengoku - Shichibukai - BB(and new guys xD) - Crocodile
