! And he hates having longer hair but his ears don't leave him much choice.
! They should have given him a beard. He looks more villainy with it.
! Be careful what you wish for. He looks even more like a comemierda [/spanish]
! And he hates having longer hair but his ears don't leave him much choice.
! They should have given him a beard. He looks more villainy with it.
! Be careful what you wish for. He looks even more like a comemierda [/spanish]
Thoughts on Kylo Ren
! It seems like I'm alone in thinking so, but Kylo Ren's explosive emotional outbursts, entitledness, insecurity and constant desire to prove himself with demonstrations of strength and wickedness make him considerably more terrifying than the Emperor and Vader ever were to me.
! Vader was pretty much just there for the ride, and the most dangerous he ever was was to imperial generals who could get choked at any moment. The first movie he was really just walking around being a threat and then flying around being a threat without any actual exertion or display of personality outside of constant remarks about the force. He had more personality in the sequels, and even there his sole reason to exist is to find Luke to deliver him to the emperor and as a result it's obvious that he poses no threat to anyone whatsoever. Looks cool and was an interesting villain? Sure, but intimidating or terrifying he was not. Tarkin was far more evil and fucked up and he got killed nearly immediately. All in all, the real bad guy of the original trilogy was Luke having to confront the dark side. And let's not even get started on how comically cartoonish Darth Sidious is, pretty much as terrifying as Mr. Burns.
! But in this trilogy, this Kylo Ren guy… you just can't know with him. There's no stability or consistency aside from how unstable his emotions are, and as a result that makes him a lot more dangerous. He's as likely to take someone prisoner to further a mission as he is to just outright lash out and destroy everything. General Hux is clearly much more driven and experienced that Ren, but even that guy is collected so you know he won't give in to unnecessary destruction and death, when Kylo Ren could easily do so. Also, given the ending you just know this fucker is going into later movies with greater anger and desire to prove himself as he obtains more power. Even if Snoke asked him to collect Rey for turning to the dark side, given what transpired Ren is as likely to just go all the fuck-out for the revenge kill as he is to follow orders. He's considerably more dangerous and terrifying than Vader ever was to me as a result.
! I also don't get the whole thing where people are dismissing him because he looks nerdy or like a scared kid or just not intimidating without the mask, when not only is that clearly intentional to create division on what his ultimate fate will be, but it's also a thing that, historically, scared man-children with power are highly volatile and dangerous forces.
Not to mention
! Kylo Ren has a lot of room for potential development…essentially as the reverse Luke in this trilogy if anything. He's pretty much still a blank slate in a way that there's a lot of potential directions they could go with this character. And if there's anything this franchise really has yet to do, it's to see potential character growth in the villain's side of things (and no Anakin doesn't count as we already know what direction he was going and all we needed to do was connect the dots. Not to mention his transition into the darkside was randomly sudden). Writers would have a hay-day with this guy as pretty much they could go anywhere with him. Honestly, I hope they go full out bonkers with this guy and just make him insane at the end. Most of the siths in this serie has pretty much been fairly collected and calm (even giggling goofy Sidious mcGee seemed pretty much collected..err for the most part), but having a bonkers insane guy completely lost in his emotions would be fairly fun to see
Not to mention
! Kylo Ren has a lot of room for potential development…essentially as the reverse Luke in this trilogy if anything. He's pretty much still a blank slate in a way that there's a lot of potential directions they could go with this character. And if there's anything this franchise really has yet to do, it's to see potential character growth in the villain's side of things (and no Anakin doesn't count as we already know what direction he was going and all we needed to do was connect the dots. Not to mention his transition into the darkside was randomly sudden). Writers would have a hay-day with this guy as pretty much they could go anywhere with him. Honestly, I hope they go full out bonkers with this guy and just make him insane at the end. Most of the siths in this serie has pretty much been fairly collected and calm (even giggling goofy Sidious mcGee seemed pretty much collected..err for the most part), but having a bonkers insane guy completely lost in his emotions would be fairly fun to see
! and he needs it too he is a wuss he didn't kill anyone aside from his father
Well it is not surprising considering
! all this movie did was pretty much set the pieces for development in the sequels. If anything, almost all the things that happened in this film was generally a big "set up" for each new main character that was presented…except for Finn because I'm not quite sure what they plan on doing with him. At least Ray and Ren are pretty much ripe for set up for the next movie. Heck if anything, I'd surprised if Ren doesn't kill more people in the 2nd film.
! and he needs it too he is a wuss he didn't kill anyone aside from his father
! Your qualifications for what makes someone a wuss or not concern me greatly.
! Your qualifications for what makes someone a wuss or not concern me greatly.
! At a guess, the point there is that Ren didn't kill anybody that was a threat to him. He cut down two unarmed elderly men, with one of them actively trying to reconcile with him, and threw temper tantrums.
! At a guess, the point there is that Ren didn't kill anybody that was a threat to him. He cut down two unarmed elderly men, with one of them actively trying to reconcile with him, and threw temper tantrums.
! I understand that. There's just the semantics of using the term "wuss" like killing your own father, all other jedi apprentices and vowing to end the jedi as a whole is kid's stuff.
I'm dying I had a similar thought about that too.
! With all the comparisons to Ren looking like a emo boy band guy, a school shooter, a dork etc. Nobody said shitty boyfriend? Is the show Girls not that popular around these here parts?
! I watch Girls. It's weird to know I've seen the villain in Star Wars cum on someone's boobs and pee on his girlfriend in the shower…
Just saw the movie last night and…
@MarcelloF:
! I watch Girls. It's weird to know I've seen the villain in Star Wars cum on someone's boobs and pee on his girlfriend in the shower…
Just saw the movie last night and…
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AHahahah.
! I actually stopped watching it pretty early on partially due to the girls making stupid decisions and partially because of how repugnant his character was.
! The biggest reason I can see Kylo Ren being" redeemed" in the end is, what did Han Solo die for? Just to sate Ren's transition to the dark side? Yeah, that's important to the story line but it puts a big FAIL on Han Solo's legacy and kind of ruins his last heroic act. I think ultimately Han's death will play a key role in Ren's "redemption'". You can see how emotionally conflicted he was before and right after doing the deed. You saw how Han touched his son's face before falling into the chasm. That look of love and forgiveness will forever haunt Kylo Ren's dreams even after his training is complete.
! Or if this really is a reverse Luke then there will be no redemption as Kylo Ren will fully embrace the dark side and Han's death may have been for nothing besides to expedite the matter, and as a final test.
And that reminds me of what I wanted to talk about the Kylo Ren criticism…
Thoughts on Kylo Ren
! It seems like I'm alone in thinking so, but Kylo Ren's explosive emotional outbursts, entitledness, insecurity and constant desire to prove himself with demonstrations of strength and wickedness make him considerably more terrifying than the Emperor and Vader ever were to me.
! Someone who doesn't have control of their emotional state wheter they're on the dark or light side is the weak one. Its always been portrayed as the one who doesn't have control of their emotions, the one who loses focus, is the one to lose. That's how Rey did the seemingly impossible and overcame Ren in the lightsaber duel. She focused . Yes, Ren was also hurt but he was winning up until the very end where Rey got a handle on her thoughts while Ren was terribly unstable. So, yes, he might be more unpredictable but at the same time he's weaker and less of a threat for it. His training should fix that and ideally he'll come out more mature but still have that unpredictable element to him.
! When his childlike temper tantrums are turned into a joke by the movie itself, where the storm troopers gtfo, then that's saying something on how ridiculous he's acting and I think the criticism there is legitimate.
! > I also don't get the whole thing where people are dismissing him because he looks nerdy or like a scared kid or just not intimidating without the mask, when not only is that clearly intentional to create division on what his ultimate fate will be, but it's also a thing that, historically, scared man-children with power are highly volatile and dangerous forces.
! I too don't understand the criticism about his looks. He's young, naive, and obviously being manipulated for nefarious purposes. His looks reflect that. Albeit, looks make a difference and have an impact but that criticism should stand for Darth Vader too who looked terrible without his mask on also. He was only badass looking with the mask on. Kylo Ren looks badass with his mask following in Vader's footsteps. I'm not asking for a Vader copycat, even though that's what Ren wants, but while Ren has the look down he still needs to work on his control if he ever wants to be the man Vader was.
! Ironically, that would turn him to the light side in the end but, meh, what does he know? Seriously, what does he really know about Darth Vader? Actually, here's a thought. Even if by the end of the trilogy Ren goes full on young Anakin and stays on the dark side that would still mean there's a chance for him to turn just like Vader did who was turned much later in life. There's probably always that temptation except for the really old jedi and sith masters like Yoda and Palpatine.
! Anyway, I forgot what I was talking about. Oh yeah, Kylo Ren. He's alright for now.
Kylo Ren's Twitter:
Contains spoilers I guess.
Given how much Episode VII paralleled the previous films it's kinda hypocritical, but I still found this hilarious.
From the twitter:
i wish more words rhymed with darth vader
I guess not every poem needs to rhyme
! Vader being nothing more than a burned, broken, bitter old man beneath his mask acts as a good parallel to Ben - beneath the off-brand Revan mask and the claymore lightsaber, he's just an angsty teen who isn't cut out for this whole "Sith" thing.
! Actually, thinking on it, he's basically Anakin before the lava.
@Cyan:
! Vader being nothing more than a burned, broken, bitter old man beneath his mask acts as a good parallel to Ben - beneath the off-brand Revan mask and the claymore lightsaber, he's just an angsty teen who isn't cut out for this whole "Sith" thing.
! Actually, thinking on it, he's basically Anakin before the lava.
! Ben is Anakin from the prequels done right.
Related to the prequels, if they were done well, do you thin the Perception of Darth Vader would change if a viewer watched it in Numerical Order 1-6?
! The main reason I think a lot of people, including myself, think Ben's going to be irredeemable, other than to avoid the original trilogy retread, is because he killed Han Solo.
! So cutting back to Darth Vader. He killed a bunch of younglings. He was responsible for his wife's death. He kills his mentor in Episode IV (though Obi Wan seems to be asking for Darth Vader to kill him at this point. If people ended up loving Padame and really connected with Obi-Wan from the prequels, how would people have felt about Darth Vader's redemption in Episode 6, emotionally?
I want to say that Clone Wars should be watched in between AotC and Sith, but then I remember that the showrunners made Anakin way too likable compared to how he is at the start of Sith.
Related to the prequels, if they were done well, do you thin the Perception of Darth Vader would change if a viewer watched it in Numerical Order 1-6?
"How did this wussy kid turn into James Earl Jones?"
@Cyan:
! Actually, thinking on it, he's basically Anakin before the lava.
! Ben is Anakin from the prequels done right.
Basically. He just got injured after already putting the mask on.
Related to the prequels, if they were done well, do you thin the Perception of Darth Vader would change if a viewer watched it in Numerical Order 1-6?
He really loves choking people a lot more.
Even without killing younglings, Vader hunted down and killed multiple Jedis for years. He never deserved redemption, or being a force ghost, in my eyes. As I said above, he was always a selfish prick.
@Cyan:
I want to say that Clone Wars should be watched in between AotC and Sith, but then I remember that the showrunners made Anakin way too likable compared to how he is at the start of Sith.
Anakin was always utterly reckless in the show and willing to take steps well beyond what other Jedi were willing to do in order to succeed; the whole point of giving him a Padawan was to try and settle him down.
In the long tun, all it wound up was making him distrust the Jedi as an institution and Obi-Wan in particular. Yoda basically telling him "Well, life sucks sometimes" in Revenge of the Sith didn't help and Mace Windu being the one fighting Palpatine was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Mace Windu being the one fighting Palpatine was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Mace Windu, three minutes from death: "Oh hey it's the guy who I've routinely treated like garbage this whole war, he'll save me from this contextless fight with the Chancellor I'm having!"
The galaxy would've been a much safer place if Kit Fisto had been the one with Palpatine at his mercy.
@Cyan:
The galaxy would've been a much safer place if Kit Fisto had been the one with Palpatine at his mercy.
Don't forget Plo Koon; dude was about the one Jedi who had a ton of screentime that actually managed to live up to the Jedi's reputation. At the very least, he came across as the only Jedi besides Anakin that really thought of the Clones as actual people.
If the Clone Wars series accomplished anything, it was to make that Order 66 scene actually sad to watch because we have a real connection with those people now.
@Monkey:
What does this even mean? The only way I could possibly parse this as a thing is if the movie was filled with potshots at prequel things. Which it isn't. Otherwise this is a completely nonsensical statement.
Also the prequels are hot garbage, just fyi.
Now that I've seen the movie (loved it) and read reviews, listen to people talk about it, I find that my statement is right.
People's biggest beef with this movie seems that it follows A New Hope too much, that the movie is too much trying to be Star Wars instead of going somewhere new.
Why?
Because Disney needed to make the safest Star Wars movie to get all those fans back on board, the fans that hate change and loathed the prequels despite them not being that bad. (Really, their not, whatever Red Letter Media might tell you). Is that a bad thing? No, it isn't. The Force Awakens is an amazing movie and it was fun, a lot of fun, something yes, the prequels didn't have. And now that we've jerked off the hater fanboys for a movie EP8 can take us into a new direction.
If the Clone Wars series accomplished anything, it was to make that Order 66 scene actually sad to watch because we have a real connection with those people now.
The way Plo goes out is pretty cold in retrospect; didn't even given him the dignity of looking him in the face.
Still a bit sour that Barriss survived and they refuse to do anything with her.
@Cyan:
The way Plo goes out is pretty cold in retrospect; didn't even given him the dignity of looking him in the face.
Still a bit sour that Barriss survived and they refuse to do anything with her.
At least he wasn't killed by a clone he was friends with; the guy who shot Aayla Secura was the same clone she rescued from that biological weapon.
Just saw the movie yesterday and am really surprised at all the praise it's getting. There was really just too much fan service. I was expecting a lot of dumb references to the older movies, but not the plots to be straight up copied. Very, very lame.
Also I couldn't take the villains seriously. That giant guy looks like a cross between Voldemort and Jean Cretien. Kylo looks like he's 15, though that might have been the point.
I liked the chemistry between Finn and Rey I will say.
Now that I've seen the movie (loved it) and read reviews, listen to people talk about it, I find that my statement is right.
People's biggest beef with this movie seems that it follows A New Hope too much, that the movie is too much trying to be Star Wars instead of going somewhere new.
Why?
Because Disney needed to make the safest Star Wars movie to get all those fans back on board, the fans that hate change and loathed the prequels despite them not being that bad. (Really, their not, whatever Red Letter Media might tell you). Is that a bad thing? No, it isn't. The Force Awakens is an amazing movie and it was fun, a lot of fun, something yes, the prequels didn't have. And now that we've jerked off the hater fanboys for a movie EP8 can take us into a new direction.
When we said we wanted "old Star Wars back", we were talking about the aesthetics and chemistry, not literally "A New Hope with boobs".
(mind you, I like the boob part. Rey was great. It's the 'New Hope' part that's a problem)
I want a new antagonist for the films, sorry Ren may improve but…..FUCKING LOL
And that reminds me of what I wanted to talk about the Kylo Ren criticism…
! Someone who doesn't have control of their emotional state wheter they're on the dark or light side is the weak one. Its always been portrayed as the one who doesn't have control of their emotions, the one who loses focus, is the one to lose. That's how Rey did the seemingly impossible and overcame Ren in the lightsaber duel. She focused . Yes, Ren was also hurt but he was winning up until the very end where Rey got a handle on her thoughts while Ren was terribly unstable. So, yes, he might be more unpredictable but at the same time he's weaker and less of a threat for it. His training should fix that and ideally he'll come out more mature but still have that unpredictable element to him.
! When his childlike temper tantrums are turned into a joke by the movie itself, where the storm troopers gtfo, then that's saying something on how ridiculous he's acting and I think the criticism there is legitimate.
! You misunderstand my reasoning. Sure, control over emotions and focus over the force would indeed make someone more powerful given the mythos of the series, but power is not the reason I find characters intimidating or not. Darth Sidious had arguably the most power in the series outside of Yoda and the guy was not intimidating at all, because you knew he wouldn't tap into those powers to actually harm people unless there was some calculated benefit to himself behind it.
! By that same logic is why Ren is more threatening to me than other sith masters were. If you take this powerful weapon and give it to a mature adult who has control, you know exactly what to expect. You know to expect logic and motivation. That's not the case with Ren, who is pretty much just a scared man-child who is being given ridiculous amounts of power. Give that power to insecure people, and there you have a dangerous cocktail that can blow up on anyone's face at any moment.
! It's a personal thing in terms of what I find more terrifying. To give you a video game analogy, Ganondorf is probably one of the more end-all, absolute evils in video game lore. But there's nothing that scares me about the guy, sure he's evil but you know exactly what to expect. And you know that there's not really anything more human about him, he's just walking evil and he does evil because… evil.
Then compare that to a villain like Porky Minch from the Mother games. It's by all means and purposes an asshole brat kid who's just being an asshole because that's just how he turned out. He turned out jealous and possessive and so insecure that he grasps at anything that might give him some power over others. We're talking about taking something human that is fear and insecurity and sadness and introducing powerful evil into that mix and then you pretty much get a monster, somebody so lost in their own darkness that they are perfectly ok with just destroying anything and everything that is not them.
! Other non-videogame comparison is how to me Nolan's joker was considerably more dark and terrifying a force than something like Bane, even though Bane clearly had the edge in terms of power and control. But that's the gag there, joker has no control but just enough firepower and instability to really fuck with people and create fear.
! To me that's Ren in this trilogy. To me Ren is a fucker who ultimately is so hyper focused in his own struggles and difficulties and fear and insecurity that responds to receiving power by wanting to destroy everything else. By wanting to destroy all the jedi, and throwing fits when things get in between him and his game. Sure, he may not be as powerful, but he has enough tools to be threatening in his instability.
When we said we wanted "old Star Wars back", we were talking about the aesthetics and chemistry, not literally "A New Hope with boobs".
(mind you, I like the boob part. Rey was great. It's the 'New Hope' part that's a problem)
It really speaks to a guy's maturity when the response to a female character is to reduce them to simply just being a floating pair of boobs.
I guess whether you add more women in media or not, the one certain thing is that you can't really reduce the amount of dickheads present.
! You misunderstand my reasoning. Sure, control over emotions and focus over the force would indeed make someone more powerful given the mythos of the series, but power is not the reason I find characters intimidating or not. Darth Sidious had arguably the most power in the series outside of Yoda and the guy was not intimidating at all, because you knew he wouldn't tap into those powers to actually harm people unless there was some calculated benefit to himself behind it.
! By that same logic is why Ren is more threatening to me than other sith masters were. If you take this powerful weapon and give it to a mature adult who has control, you know exactly what to expect. You know to expect logic and motivation. That's not the case with Ren, who is pretty much just a scared man-child who is being given ridiculous amounts of power. Give that power to insecure people, and there you have a dangerous cocktail that can blow up on anyone's face at any moment.
! It's a personal thing in terms of what I find more terrifying. To give you a video game analogy, Ganondorf is probably one of the more end-all, absolute evils in video game lore. But there's nothing that scares me about the guy, sure he's evil but you know exactly what to expect. And you know that there's not really anything more human about him, he's just walking evil and he does evil because… evil.
Then compare that to a villain like Porky Minch from the Mother games. It's by all means and purposes an asshole brat kid who's just being an asshole because that's just how he turned out. He turned out jealous and possessive and so insecure that he grasps at anything that might give him some power over others. We're talking about taking something human that is fear and insecurity and sadness and introducing powerful evil into that mix and then you pretty much get a monster, somebody so lost in their own darkness that they are perfectly ok with just destroying anything and everything that is not them.
! Other non-videogame comparison is how to me Nolan's joker was considerably more dark and terrifying a force than something like Bane, even though Bane clearly had the edge in terms of power and control. But that's the gag there, joker has no control but just enough firepower and instability to really fuck with people and create fear.
! To me that's Ren in this trilogy. To me Ren is a fucker who ultimately is so hyper focused in his own struggles and difficulties and fear and insecurity that responds to receiving power by wanting to destroy everything else. By wanting to destroy all the jedi, and throwing fits when things get in between him and his game. Sure, he may not be as powerful, but he has enough tools to be threatening in his instability.It really speaks to a guy's maturity when the response to a female character is to reduce them to simply just being a floating pair of boobs.
I guess whether you add more women in media or not, the one certain thing is that you can't really reduce the amount of dickheads present.
Oh for fucks sake, how about you piss off.
It's obvious I wasn't literally talking about pair of boobs.
I could have easily said "New Hope with a vagina", the intention was to humorously present the fact that the film was largely a remake of episode 4 with a genderswapped protagonist.
I even clarified that I have NO problems with the protagonist being female or how she's represented, only that it was a retread of episode 4.
No, seriously, FUCK off and stop looking for fights where there aren't any, "dickhead".
Oh for fucks sake, how about you piss off.
It's obvious I wasn't literally talking about pair of boobs.
I could have easily said "New Hope with a vagina", the intention was to humorously present the fact that the film was largely a remake of episode 4 with a genderswapped protagonist.I even clarified that I have NO problems with the protagonist being female, only that it was a retread of episode 4.
No, seriously, FUCK off.
Stop looking for fights where there aren't any, "dickhead".
You know you could have just said exactly that? Or "new hope with female luke. Not that I mind female luke, rey was pretty great."
Nope, you had to just refer to the boobs. Because objectification is so humorous. Lol, get it? Because girls have boobs. Brilliant humor there.
So how about you fuck off and learn how to not objectify people before coming out and socializing where people will call you out on your stupidity.
Seriously, bitch about the movie as much as you want, you're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect me to just sit there and take it when you go and make the problem with the movie a problem of female objectification.
You know you could have just said exactly that? Or "new hope with female luke.
Because it was SUPPOSED to sound silly.
That's the intention of a crude humor, not to seriously objectify it, but to present how ridiculous the situation is.
Jesus Christ.
How about NOT reacting with a knee-jerk insult as your first reaction, supposedly "mature" person you.
This is the second time already you made a snotty response to an obviously tongue-in-cheek humorous post in this very thread.
Because it was SUPPOSED to sound silly.
That's the intention of a crude humor, not to seriously objectify it, but to present how ridiculous the situation is.Jesus Christ.
Except there was no context in what you quoted nor in any conversation around it where bringing up "boobs" to sound silly made any sense whatsoever.
My conclusion is just that you suck at jokes.
My conclusion is just that you suck at jokes.
Perhaps, but you presented yourself a major douchebag.
So I'll live with being a bad comedian.
This thread was better when we were just making fun of Darth Trovert.
This thread was better when we were just making fun of Darth Trovert.
At this rate I'm sure I'll get a snotty holier-than-thou PC response for calling him a "Dork" Vader.
"Dork" Vader.
Kylo Ren throws his Darth Vader Moleskine notebook at the wall in a fit of purest, justifiable rage.
Uses Force to call it back.
Doesn't work.
THESE WOUNDS WON'T SEEM TO HEAL.
^
Skip the capitalization and it's ready to be the next Emo Kylo Ren twitter post lol
This is the perfect time to transition to one of my newly favorite actresses, the very beautiful and talented Lupita Nyongo'o, and the great work she did portraying Maz Kanata.
! The character was pretty interesting with her impressive insights of knowledge and seemingly premonition like powers, but more interesting is her status and possessions in the Star Wars universe. How did Maz Kanata come into possession of a lightsaber that fell down a giant shaft in Cloud City? Did she also receive the hand attached to it? If so, what did she do with Luke's hand? Did she eat it? She's an alien and they have foreign diets. Seriously, did she eat Luke Skywalker's hand?
This is the perfect time to transition to one of my newly favorite actresses, the very beautiful and talented Lupita Nyongo'o, and the great work she did portraying Maz Kanata.
! The character was pretty interesting with her impressive insights of knowledge and seemingly premonition like powers, but more interesting is her status and possessions in the Star Wars universe. How did Maz Kanata come into possession of a lightsaber that fell down a giant shaft in a Death Star that blew up? Did she also receive the hand attached to it? If so, what did she do with Luke's hand? Did she eat it? She's an alien and they have foreign diets. Seriously, did she eat Luke Skywalker's hand?
[hide]If Luke's hand was attached, would it be rotting? [/hide]
This is the perfect time to transition to one of my newly favorite actresses, the very beautiful and talented Lupita Nyongo'o, and the great work she did portraying Maz Kanata.
! The character was pretty interesting with her impressive insights of knowledge and seemingly premonition like powers, but more interesting is her status and possessions in the Star Wars universe. How did Maz Kanata come into possession of a lightsaber that fell down a giant shaft in a Death Star that blew up? Did she also receive the hand attached to it? If so, what did she do with Luke's hand? Did she eat it? She's an alien and they have foreign diets. Seriously, did she eat Luke Skywalker's hand?
! Luke lost his hand and saber on/in(?) Cloud City. Presumably, Maz just grabbed it from the bottom of where ever that shaft led.
[hide]If Luke's hand was attached, would it be rotting? [/hide]
Yes, but you know…aliens. Weird diets.
! Luke lost his hand and saber on/in(?) Cloud City. Presumably, Maz just grabbed it from the bottom of where ever that shaft led.
Derp. Oh yeah, for some unknown reason I always get those 2 scenes mixed up. Luke lost his hand in Cloud City while fighting Vader. His last fight with Vader was on the Death Star with his robot hand and a green lightsaber. Still, wondering how she came across it and how she knew who it belonged to.
Also I want to add that I LOVE what they did with Kylo Ren. Really great.
Just saw this and lawl
@Monkey:
! And y'know, I wonder how he looks through a kid fans eyes.
! There was some kid in the theater I was at who was right at the age of expressing his emotions out loud as he felt them, mostly crying at the deaths and such. He was downright terrified when Ren revealed his face and was questioning Rey and his father had to assure him that Rey would be alright. Obviously that doesn't account for every kid's reaction, and it could be more directed at Rey being in trouble, but it definitely made me take note.
! I was taken aback a little by Kylo Ren since my instincts fired up like "look at this whiny brat," but it definitely crossed my mind just how dangerous that attitude is with this type of character and I think he was one of the more interesting things in the movie. It's probably because his angst is treated as angst instead of some ultra-serious deep darkness that sells him. He's horribly confused, has daddy issues, throws tantrums and he's got a weapon.
! Mentally unstable villains, especially ones that have tantrums like a kid but have a huge amount of power, are I think probably some of the more interesting and dangerous. As mentioned by others it's just how unpredictable and suddenly violent they can be. I think It's why I liked Gaara back in the day. Ren without the mask I thought was going to be a turn for the worst…That fluffy hair...But I think his facial expressions were really spot on. Watching him get teary when talking to Han just felt ominous.
So I just got back from the film. I'd say about…7/10.
I don't have the personal investment in Star Wars movies that most people here seem to have but it was most definitelty weaker than ANH. Most of the people there, plus ones I saw it with, had grown up with SW a professed that this was the best movie of all and that it was still vastly amazing in their second viewing. It makes me wonder, though, if they would feel the same way without the previous investment.
I liked the new characters and I am interested to see where the go once all three movies are out but for me it was only an "ok" movie.
! Mentally unstable villains, especially ones that have tantrums like a kid but have a huge amount of power, are I think probably some of the more interesting and dangerous. As mentioned by others it's just how unpredictable and suddenly violent they can be. I think It's why I liked Gaara back in the day. Ren without the mask I thought was going to be a turn for the worst…That fluffy hair...But I think his facial expressions were really spot on. Watching him get teary when talking to Han just felt ominous.
! The whole tantrum thing was actually specifically reminding me of Shigaraki from My Hero Academy. I'm really hoping that instability gets played up somehow. He should definitely mature as the trilogy goes on, but it's that sort of stuff that makes him unpredictable and dangerous.
So I just got back from the film. I'd say about…7/10.
I don't have the personal investment in Star Wars movies that most people here seem to have but it was most definitelty weaker than ANH. Most of the people there, plus ones I saw it with, had grown up with SW a professed that this was the best movie of all and that it was still vastly amazing in their second viewing. It makes me wonder, though, if they would feel the same way without the previous investment.
I liked the new characters and I am interested to see where the go once all three movies are out but for me it was only an "ok" movie.
That about sums up my feelings. Plus all the blatant copy/paste from ANH was a little annoying and the references to and characters from the original trilogy was plain intrusive.
! They could have just removed Han and Chewy altogether and that would have improved the movie a ton.
! So I thought about it and, yes, Princess/General Leia was definitely the most boring character in the movie. It was a hard race between her and Snoke.