I have two questions they're unrealted to each other but i'd rather not make two threads.
i'm sure this has been speculated but does anyone know if dragon is one of the Seven armed seas.
does anyone have an idea as to what Shaks knows that the World government doesn't want anyone else to know
1. Nope, he is a revolutionist who´s very dangerous to the World Government itself. There´s no way that such a character could be one of the Shichibukai.
2. I don´t have any idea what you are talking about. :unsure:
Originally posted by Cosmic kid@Jun 26 2005, 08:47 PM
**I have two questions they're unrealted to each other but i'd rather not make two threads.
- i'm sure this has been speculated but does anyone know if dragon is one of the Seven armed seas.
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Ivotas has already answered
2) does anyone have an idea as to what Shaks knows that the World government doesn't want anyone else to know
Does Shanks know anything? :P
In truth, we dont know anything about this, they just said that they dont want him to meet whitebeard and that's all ;) So it can just be that thay dont want two powerful pirates to make a meeting :)
is dragon that guy who can lyk control the weather?
i think his second question is regerding to this little dialogue betwenn shanks and ben beckman
Ben-if you do that, do you think the WG will keep its silence?! now is not the time for that kinda a disussion
Shanks-the goverment wont keep its silence but if they want to stop me i wont keep my silence either…..
Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 27 2005, 03:12 PM
**i think his second question is regerding to this little dialogue betwenn shanks and ben beckmanBen-if you do that, do you think the WG will keep its silence?! now is not the time for that kinda a disussion
Shanks-the goverment wont keep its silence but if they want to stop me i wont keep my silence either…..
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Aha, well it´s getting a little confusing with that part of OP. I actually always interpret it that with being silent Shanks meant that he won´t be hostile towards the Government. But it sure could also be interpreted in that way that he´s got some sort of information that he keeps a secret. Though I´ll still go with my first interpretation. :D
A little theory I came up with right now, maybe GW wants Dragon to be a SB? Like, a eight one? That could be the answer they are waiting for.
He´s not a pirate but a dangerous revolutionist who´s directly opposing the World Government. Marines chasing pirates is a childs play considered to the World Government defending against a powerful revolutionist. There´s no logic in him becoming a Shichibukai.
Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 27 2005, 06:36 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 27 2005, 06:36 PM)
Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 27 2005, 11:50 PM
well i think he really does know something but i suppose we will just have to wait and see.
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As I said, the translation leaves room for both of our interpretations. I can´t wait to see that scene done by K-F. It should be in episode 151 if I´m not mistaken. At least I know we will see Doflamingo there. :D
Well, yeah, you're right Ivotas. Maybe Dragon is not powerful at all and is just veryyyy good at making people obey him. But, if he is a super great fighter, then maybe there is a chance that they want him to become a SB. SBs is not just for taking out pirates, they are there to take out all criminals, so it would work. I doubt Dragon would become a puppet of the Marine, but that theory was just a two-seconds-of-thinking-theory. :P
If I would guess seriously I would say Dragon had some demands on the WG, and they are maybe willing to cooparate with him with some of the them but with not some others.
Like: "I want pizza three times week or else I will turn the whole freaking world against you!!! N00bs!".
"Okay… but that's a little problem, can't we change it into two times a week? What do you say, we are waiting for your anwser!?".
Yeah, something like that... B)
Is Dragon ever mentioned outside of Logue Town? If not, I don't see how you guys were able to extract all this info about him from such a brief encounter. o_O
well some of it are theory and some of it are just gathered info from the loguetown arc
_Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg+Jun 28 2005, 12:55 AM–>QUOTE(Robin Stjernberg @ Jun 28 2005, 12:55 AM)Well, yeah, you're right Ivotas. Maybe Dragon is not powerful at all and is just veryyyy good at making people obey him. But, if he is a super great fighter, then maybe there is a chance that they want him to become a SB. SBs is not just for taking out pirates, they are there to take out all criminals, so it would work. I doubt Dragon would become a puppet of the Marine, but that theory was just a two-seconds-of-thinking-theory. :P
[snapback]78569[/snapback]I do think that he is very powerful, otherwise he wouldn´t have been able to stop Smoker. Ok he didn´t fight Smoker but there must be something to him that made Smoker refuse to fight him.
And other then that, he´s not the head of a opposite politic party but a revolutionist. A revolutionist is a guy who is trying to get rid of one current government. There is no coexistence.
Originally posted by UPRC@Jun 28 2005, 03:16 AM
Is Dragon ever mentioned outside of Logue Town? If not, I don't see how you guys were able to extract all this info about him from such a brief encounter. o_O
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well some of it are theory and some of it are just gathered info from the loguetown arc
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You shouldn´t be saying that if you´re lacking some information. ;)
That encounter with Dragon back at Logue Town was really strange. If he's a fugitive, why didn't Smoker try to arrest him or any other of the Marine soldiers by that matter (and at the moment, the city was filled with soldiers). Better yet, Smoker seemed to know him somehow (he did adress him by name). And what did Dragon mean by "fulfilling of destiny" and "will of the gods". Maybe his real name is D. Ragon? ;)
I think Dragon is just like his cover name. Who the hell i named just Dragon? XD
Ivotas, yeah, but a revolutionist can't just go and say: "Now I want you to just scoot, stop being the WG and do something else instead!", he is probably threathing the WG somehow to make his goals come true. And the WG is probably very afraid of him because the are waiting for him to answer something, and everybody else who oppose them they get rid of in a moment.
Old school lurker.
Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg@Jun 28 2005, 12:31 PM
I think Dragon is just like his cover name. Who the hell i named just Dragon? XD
Well Luffy is called Monkey D. so I see no problem with a character being called Dragon.
Ivotas, yeah, but a revolutionist can't just go and say: "Now I want you to just scoot, stop being the WG and do something else instead!", he is probably threathing the WG somehow to make his goals come true. And the WG is probably very afraid of him because the are waiting for him to answer something, and everybody else who oppose them they get rid of in a moment.
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I think you focus to much on the word answer as being a response for a question. Actually I take it more that with answer he means something like striking back or the like.
In war for instance one side makes the opening attack and they prepare for the enemies answer. But the answer is not words but pure war. And actually I think that Dragons answer is more of that nature instead of saying "yes" or "no".
Other then that, it has already been established that Dragons ideal´s are dangerous to the World Government and that in a couple of years (which means the current time actually) he will be a huge thorn in the eye of the WG. His pure political attitude is a threat to the World Government. We don´t know what his ideals and attitude is but it is directly against the one of the WG and therefore he´s opposing them directly. If he would just not listen to them then he could be classified as a pirate, but saying that he´s an revolutionist means that his aim is to change the political order of the government.
Hence he´s far to dangerous to consider him to be a Shichibukai not to say probably far to dangerous for such a small task.
Originally posted by Green Hair@Jun 28 2005, 04:36 AM
That encounter with Dragon back at Logue Town was really strange. If he's a fugitive, why didn't Smoker try to arrest him or any other of the Marine soldiers by that matter (and at the moment, the city was filled with soldiers). Better yet, Smoker seemed to know him somehow (he did adress him by name).
Yeah I rewatched that ep a few days ago and I was thinking the same thing. Smoker was all "damn you dragon" but Dragon was standing just a few feet farther and yet Smoker didn't do anything.. really weird. The only explanation I could find was that he knew he couldn't win (which is pretty impressive on Dragon's behalf cuz Smoker is a powerful Logia..)
He appeared again during the a flashback in the Drum arc. Well actually it was at the Counsel of Kings were the WG discussed a possible future threat from the very dangerous revolutionist Dragon. And then we just see a pic of him.
Ah so that's were you got the revolutionist part from, I was wondering about that. But was this in the anime? Seems like I kinda missed it.. got any references were this happened (like a manga chapter)?
Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 28 2005, 04:11 PM
Ah so that's were you got the revolutionist part from, I was wondering about that. But was this in the anime? Seems like I kinda missed it.. got any references were this happened (like a manga chapter)?
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It was in both the manga and the anime. Manga chapter 142 and anime episode 91.
Chapter 99 or 100…
Originally posted by Solid@Jun 28 2005, 04:20 PM
Chapter 99 or 100…
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I think he was asking about the Counsil of Kings thing, not the Logue Town appearance.
Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 28 2005, 10:23 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 28 2005, 10:23 AM)
I can see why I don't remember him being tagged dangerous then, I completely blanked out during that meeting except for when Wapol hit Vivi.
But yeah, the Logue Town part was a little strange how Smoker didn't try to apprehend Dragon. Like someone already mentioned, perhaps Smoker knew that it would be pointless to try to, that Dragon is in an entirely different league… Or maybe the Marines just have some weird philosophy where pirates take priority over anything else.
Whatever the reason, I trust Smoker's decision to leave Dragon alone since he's not a dumb character.
in the original speaking were in anime ,call dragon into Tolako or Tolakon ,if i remember .. just some1 named him dragon ,his original name we doesn't know it .. maybe it will be shown later ..
Originally posted by P' Cinq@Jun 28 2005, 05:55 PM
in the original speaking were in anime ,call dragon into Tolako or Tolakon ,if i remember .. just some1 named him dragon ,his original name we doesn't know it .. maybe it will be shown later ..
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The letter T sounds similar to D, the letter k similar to g and I don´t think that I need to explain the r/l thing in japanese spelling. So by changing t, l and k to d, r and g we actually have Doragon. And were already familiar that it is difficult in japanese to spell two consonatns without a vocal in between so if you take the "o" away we have Dragon. ;)
Well, Ivotas, why would the GW just wait for him to do something to counter their move (of what it now could be) instead of just getting rid of the bastard? Dragon could indeed be like the second most powerful man in the world, but since he seems to act alone, I can't see why the WG would have a huge problem with him? In fact, I kinda sees this like a prof that he have a huge influence on some people somewhere. Don't you agree? Like the god - Dragon! XD Haha, that would be awsome.
Old school lurker.
Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg@Jun 28 2005, 09:51 PM
Well, Ivotas, why would the GW just wait for him to do something to counter their move (of what it now could be) instead of just getting rid of the bastard? Dragon could indeed be like the second most powerful man in the world, but since he seems to act alone, I can't see why the WG would have a huge problem with him? In fact, I kinda sees this like a prof that he have a huge influence on some people somewhere. Don't you agree? Like the god - Dragon! XD Haha, that would be awsome.
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I never said that they don´t want to get him. Smoker actually said that the Government wants his head. He´s probably just powerful as hell otherwise they might have catched him already. I doubt that a random weakling can stop Smoker to catch a Pirate and escape later on without even being chased himself. He´s probably in a superior league and that´s why he is dangerous to the WG. If he would be just a random weakling with anti-WG ideals then one random marine officer would be enough to take him down. Then he wouldn´t be considered as a threat.
But he directly confronts Smoker and gets away with it. Furthermore six years before the current time the WG held a meeting to discuss the threat that will come from this man in the future. He sure must be very powerful aswell as he must have dangerous people around him since revolutionists don´t work alone (he probably needed to get enough supporters or why else did they say that he will be dangerous in five to six years and not right now).
He is the non-plus ultra and he sure must have some people following him. The only mystery is, what does he want from Luffy and why the hell is he putting that much faith in him? What does he know about Luffy that other´s don´t? Maybe my crazy theory about the Luffy/Roger connection wasn´t that stupid after all.
Well, no, but if Dragon is just is by himself (we say so just now) they should be just able to like call in Aokiji and all the big guys. Even Whitebeard wouldn't even stand up to WG and the Marine if they worked together and take him down by himself. Just like Luffy would't stand a chance against anybody strong we meet so far by himself. I just wanted to check so we had kind of the same ideas of this maner. :)
Old school lurker.
Btw anyone got an idea what Shanks is gonna meet Whitebeard about?
Does Dragon have any followers or is he a one man revolution
Originally posted by Cosmic kid@Jun 28 2005, 08:30 PM
Does Dragon have any followers or is he a one man revolution
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We don't know.
Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg@Jun 29 2005, 01:24 AM
Well, no, but if Dragon is just is by himself (we say so just now) they should be just able to like call in Aokiji and all the big guys. Even Whitebeard wouldn't even stand up to WG and the Marine if they worked together and take him down by himself. Just like Luffy would't stand a chance against anybody strong we meet so far by himself. I just wanted to check so we had kind of the same ideas of this maner. :)
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Understood. Besides as I said I really think that he isn´t alone. If he would be then as I said he could have been a huge thorn in the eye of the WG back at the time from the Counsil of Kings already, but he wasn´t. Now my personal interpretation is that he wasn´t because he wasn´t ready and didn´t have enough followers then.
Other then that, there´s still the fact that he requires Luffy for his aims. He says "The World is waiting for our answer" so what Luffy will do will also effect Dragons aims. It appears as if he can´t make his final move without Luffy achieving his own goal.
I wonder how he has knowledge of the "D" maybe that means that he knows what One piece is
Originally posted by Cosmic kid@Jun 30 2005, 01:13 AM
I wonder how he has knowledge of the "D" maybe that means that he knows what One piece is
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Either that or he has at least a good idea of what it could be. I think the only thing that he doesn´t know is it´s whereabouts. That´s why I think that he needs Luffy.
Maybe he knew Luffy would mess with the Marine and the WG?! That would be a help to him if he want to bring down the WG, right.
I was thinking about a thing, do you become the king of pirates because you find One Piece? What if like a Marine Officer finds it then?!
Well it really depends on what One Piece is. Either that or maybe on Raftel there´s a entrance gate where there´s a guard who lets only pirates pass and kills everybody who´s something else. :lol:
Haha, that would be Oda style. XD
I think it contains of (of course not only) a lot of treasures stolen of a hell load of people, then if someone execept pirates finds it they will maybe be forced to return all the stuff. Hehe, that would suck. :P
