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BatDan

I've noticed that the first manga site has VERY bad translation.

I've noticed this since I first starting reading the manga.

Luffy's "Gomu Gomu no" is called "Rubber" so it's moves like "Rubber Pistol" and "Rubber Rocket" and "Rubber Machine Gun Punches" (this should be Gatling Gun")

Buggy is called Baki, Don Krieg is called Don Creek, Bellamy is called Binami, Karoo is called Garu at times, Vivi is called BB. There's more but I can't think right now.

Plus the picture is terrible.

So to end this rant, I'm saying should someone like "Null" retranslate the early chapters. Or someone else should do it. Hell, I'd do it but I can't read Japanese.

Or could someone take Steven's scripts and just insert them into the manga.

StrawHatLuffy

Or could someone take Steven's scripts and just insert them into the manga.

This would not be done actually. I don't know of anyone other than NULL who would do it - ocean is against scanlation of titles licensed in NA…

Buccaneer

Yeah, stephen kinda puts "DO NOT USE FOR SCANS" in bold right above the scripts…..

If you want to do it yourself using your own script of some kind, knock yourself out, though.

BatDan

Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 26 2005, 08:59 AM
**Yeah, stephen kinda puts "DO NOT USE FOR SCANS" in bold right above the scripts…..

If you want to do it yourself using your own script of some kind, knock yourself out, though.
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One problem though.

I CAN'T READ JAPANESE.

I want to learn my school doesn't offer it.

One thing I may want to do is find a way to learn Japanese, buy the Japanese manga off the Internet and scanlate myself.

The first 3 volumes aren't too bad, I thought they were the Viz version when I first read them (downloaded them HQ from some site that shut down before I could go past 3). After Kuro it goes downhill though.

Shylu

Well, beggars can't be choosers. Unless someone step up and decide they want to retranslate the early volumes out of their own will, we would have to put up with the Mangascreener ones or official published version. Or buy the Japanese tanko and read it using Stephen's translation. I heard giving money to the people who work to bring you One Piece is good.

Oh, and don't even think of using Stephen's translation for scanlation. You will be flamed left and right by the fandom. Unless you just want to do it for yourself and not distributing it at all.

BatDan

Does Stoptazmo have the same versions as the MSN V.1 site?

I'm just curious because I don't want to buy Winzip so I can just read manga that I can read for free.

Buccaneer

Originally posted by BatDan@Jun 27 2005, 12:22 AM
**One problem though.

I CAN'T READ JAPANESE.
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Well, from reading the Viz version or scans already out, you can get a good idea of what's said, and just put it in your own words or something.

BatDan

Well, I won't use Stephens then because flaming is bad.

But, I'll still learn Japanese, buy the RAW manga off the internet somehow and then scanlate it myself.

If you don't agree with me. Then you don't have to go to my site when it's awesome.

I have stupid dreams.

Akeisha

For your information, no dream is stupid!!! You have to belive what you wanna do and do it! :blink:

warp

Originally posted by BatDan@Jun 26 2005, 09:01 AM
**Well, I won't use Stephens then because flaming is bad.

But, I'll still learn Japanese, buy the RAW manga off the internet somehow and then scanlate it myself.

If you don't agree with me. Then you don't have to go to my site when it's awesome.

I have stupid dreams.
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why dont u just buy the japanese ones and look back and forth wih stephen's scprit. thats what i do. it easy 2.

BatDan

Originally posted by Akeisha@Jun 26 2005, 11:17 AM
For your information, no dream is stupid!!! You have to belive what you wanna do and do it! :blink:
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I suggest you cut back on the One Piece but yeah maybe I shouldn't believe that one of my many dreams is stupid.

Crocodile

If anyone's up to translating, I could Clean.
But unfortunetly when it comes to Scanlations, There seems to be only 1 group doing OP, NULL which takes a while to realse chapters and also has alot of other manga's there scanlating.

Konis

_Originally posted by StrawHatLuffy+Jun 26 2005, 07:05 AM–>QUOTE(StrawHatLuffy @ Jun 26 2005, 07:05 AM)

Or could someone take Steven's scripts and just insert them into the manga.

This would not be done actually. I don't know of anyone other than NULL who would do it - ocean is against scanlation of titles licensed in NA…
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I'm pretty confident when I say Null won't be doing those chapters. Null started in the 180's somewhere… at best, someday we may go back and redo some of the stuff we did in the past. And I hope you weren't insinuating that Null would be willing to insert Stephen's scripts into the old chapters with what you'd said.. I'm hoping and assuming you didn't.

There's not any real reason to redo those early chapters, Viz is translating them. If you want them in decent english, just get those. Barring the "Zolo" thing, their translation is fine._

Crocodile

HaHa, Sorry, I never knew much about Null.
And just so you know, I wasn't complaining about speed or anything I'm just saying that even if you did do it, It's possible you wouldn't really have time to do it.

Konis

Heehee ^_^ If we undertook something like that, we'd have to get more editors… I'd rather not edit old chapters, and won't use up my time on them when I should be working on the current material. I edit the new chapters because I enjoy working on them, and I like helping put the newest chapters out for people who want to read the most current translations in a comic-style format. Editting the old chapter seems a little redundant to me, especially since Viz has done up to the first 5 books so far. There's no real reason to re-scanlate the stuff Viz is doing.

BatDan

The reason I'm wanting to translate the manga myself is Viz may be doing an alright job, but they aren't getting it down perfectly.

They still use normal pirate lines like "Yarr", "me hearties" and "me buckos". Plus the cat puns in the Kuro arc are bad.

Plus I didn't like when they kept calling Helmeppo an idiot son not a bastard son.

d3adpool

helmeppo's a idiot ^^ and the term bastard son might conflict with neglected son (if he is one, then lol… forgot completely)

also, i doubt any scanalation would be perfect. Viz might have something that doesn't please you but i think that from this to "let's scanalate all the old chapters" is a damn long way.

Ubiq

Originally posted by BatDan@Jun 26 2005, 05:36 PM
They still use normal pirate lines like "Yarr", "me hearties" and "me buckos". Plus the cat puns in the Kuro arc are bad.
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That's just localization though; piratical slang and bad puns are a big part of the series. Viz is just trying to make the series more accessible to its readers.

Straight translations aren't always a good idea; just look at Super Milk-Chan for a good example of a show that didn't bother to localize jokes and doesn't really make any sense as a result.

GoAnderson

Does the term "Yaroudomo" mean something to 'cha? I'll say it before omae says it.

If I recall, it literally means "you wild guys," and is most often used by gangs and punks, which would make it perfect use for pirates… And, in fact, it is used. There actually is a sort of pirate/gang slang in One Piece, I believe.

As to the issue at hand... I don't think it's necessary. The translations we do have are sufficient, I think. Maybe someone could go back and retouch the sidestory pages in the zips, but a whole revival of the older chapters? I don't think that's warranted.

Buccaneer

Gangs and punks. Viz doesn't always localize their way of speech, so why try here?

Okay, I can understand why they'd do it, but that doesn't mean everyone has to like it.

Greg

If you want to do it yourself using your own script of some kind, knock yourself out, though.

Maybe it's just me but wasn't Buc suggesting taking stephen's scripts and putting them in for your own personal reading pleasure. You don't need to understand Japanese to understand who is talking when if you can possibly comprehend word bubbles.

BatDan

How about this.

I stop posting here so you don't have to answer my stupid questions anymore.

How does that sound.

GoAnderson

Did I offend you or something? If I did, I'm sorry…

The questions of one can be the salvation of many. Keep asking, and the discussion will continue at a pleasant pace. That benefits you, and others, as well. It's always good to have a nice discussion.

ron_8

ohwell the hope for perfect scanlated chapters is over then

i guess we gotta put up with the bad old chapters ohwell

its hard to discuss these kind of things when people are not open about it and like to put u down, but again, ohwell

Greg

I stop posting here so you don't have to answer my stupid questions anymore.

How about you just not be melodramatic. We're trying to help you.

Originally posted by BatDan@Jun 26 2005, 10:55 AM
**Does Stoptazmo have the same versions as the MSN V.1 site?

I'm just curious because I don't want to buy Winzip so I can just read manga that I can read for free.
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ok two things.
1. winzip is free
2. you don't even need winzip you can just use a comic/manga reading program like this:
http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay (it can acess the images without unziping)
and ya if you ever do decide to redo the early manga start with chapter 44(last chapter of vol 5) cause everything before that is available in HQ with a good translation.
I still haven't read past volume 5 cause I couldn't stand the quality, so ya I'm all for rescaning the early manga.

Konis

Originally posted by ron_8@Jun 26 2005, 09:40 PM
its hard to discuss these kind of things when people are not open about it and like to put u down, but again, ohwell
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It's not a matter of people "not being open to it", no one would complain if someone redid the old chapters. It's a matter of finding someone willing to spend their time retranslating and editing chapters that have already been released by Viz.

Once you start wanting "better scanlations" of chapters that have already been released commercially, it becomes less a way for fans to read their otherwise inaccessable manga, and more a way to skirt paying for the stuff that's already out in English.

Personally, I won't buy One Piece from Viz, because I don't like what they've done with it… but their translation is still decent, if you can get over the occasional "arr" and cheesy localization. It's really not bad... at least their edits aren't overly huge. It's definately readable.

Even if someone did redo the old chapters, there's no garantee the translation would be "better" than the old stuff. The names would be right, but that's about the only certain thing. People interpret things differently.

But if someone out there wanted to take the time and do it... sure, why not? No one's saying it can't be done.. just that it's not practical.

And, for once, I agree with omae... no need to be melodramatic. This thread's mostly been helpful and suggestive. I don't see any outward hostility or malice in it. Criticism maybe, but nothing outright negative.

ron_8

i think this kind of project will only benefit hardcore OP fans which would want the best for their favorite anime/manga one piece, ie. the people of this forum

but then again i didnt meant any harm on my previous comment i just dont like how the "other" posters replied to him on his idea, it kinda lets a person down.

oceanizer

I do remember talking to somebody in #arlong-park that they wanted to redo the older chapters with higher quality scans. That was last year. Since I don't see anything coming up, … they didn't find resources?

BatDan

Does anyone have any good programs or sites where you can learn to read and speak Japanese?

I going to try the scanlate the early chapters.

But it's going to take a long time. So don't expect quick results.

You really plan on investing that much time into it? Why not just buy the ones from Viz? Once you get over the Zolo thing, they are pretty good.

Shylu

Originally posted by ron_8@Jun 27 2005, 03:23 PM
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Reading from that sentence, I'm quite confused with your definition of "hardcore OP fans which would want the best for their favorite anime/manga". And I don't think we have the same definition, ron_8.

But anyway, this whole thread can just be summed up into:

It's not a question of SHOULD or SHOULDN'T, but whether there is someone who WANTS to re-scan the early volumes, translate and the edit it into a scanlation. If BatDan wants to do it, it's his choice and it's fine (apart from the legality issue of course, but that would be his problem with Viz or whoever publishes One Piece in his region) as long as he doesn't use Stephen's translation (or use it but never distribute it over the internet).

And good luck studying Japanese, I suggest learning from a teacher, preferably a native speaker. It would take a long time before one is good enough to be a translator, though.