bit personal isn't it?
Chapter 554 "Admiral Akainu" Discussion
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bit personal isn't it?
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Crocodile and Don Krieg are equally powerful foes.
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I'd assume so, but then again I don't really know how close the two of you are.
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@Zik:
Nothing regarding the entire thread. The first post of mine you quoted was sarcasm. Something that doesn't translate well over the interwebz.
Poe's law strikes again.
My fault for not reading more thoroughly i suppose.
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Crocodile and Don Krieg are equally powerful foes.
No, Croc is weaker, and just has a more broken ability. They balance eachother out in that aspect. Although Croc would probably lost against Don Krieg if they fought at the Baratie.
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I don't follow you…
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You guys are too funny…....
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Oh yeah!!! Oda is probably thinking that Luffy will get fuck up in the new world anyway so let just kill him off in this war and change the main character.
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No, Croc is weaker, and just has a more broken ability. They balance eachother out in that aspect. Although Croc would probably lost against Don Krieg if they fought at the Baratie.
That's true, all that water would do him no good at all. I can't imagine how badly Croc would suck if it was raining.
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Oh, then I suppose I don't need this restraining order…
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For every manga, the main character doesn't have god-like power in the beginning.
They're strong because they keep getting back up and keep on fighting, Luffy is one those character who get stronger if he have something to protect.
OMG REALLY!!!!!!!1111le gasp
Seriously everyone here knows how Shonen series work, why are you telling us this like we just walked into the genre? Anyway, geting stronger and stronger is one thing, going from mid tier to destroying the most powerful people in the world with absolutely no logic behind why because his brother is threatened is another.
His brother life is hanging on the balance now so why are you guy denying the fact that Luffy will fight to the death if he have to.
And how will him fighting to the death stop the skin melting off his bones when Akainu targets him?
Let not forget that he almost dies at Impel Down.
The key word there is "almost dies".
Also none of this even vaguely relates to the post you quoted.
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Oh yeah!!! Oda is probably thinking that Luffy will get fuck up in the new world anyway so let just kill him off during this war and change the main character.
Make it Zoro and rename the forums "dōjō NeoMaster."
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I take back everything I said earlier. It TOTALLY slipped my mind, that one scene at Impel Down where Luffy's haki powerups allowed him to bypass Magellan's poison defense and knock him out with one hit like a lot of people had hoped, and allowed everyone to get to safety.
Silly me, my bad. I don't know how I could have forgotten about that.
Luffy is totally going to take out at least one admiral in the course of this, probably Aokiji since thats what he developed gear 2 for, and singlehandedly change the tide of the entire battle. That's totally whats going to happen.
Oh yeah!!! Oda is probably thinking that Luffy will get fuck up in the new world anyway so let just kill him off in this war and change the main character.
It worked for Berserk. This war is OP's equivilent of the Eclipse. After this is all over, we'll shift focus to the real main character of the series, Coby.
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that is fucking terrible
yet I love it.
Isn't this a chapter discussion thread?
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OMG REALLY!!!!!!!1111le gasp
Seriously everyone here knows how Shonen series work, why are you telling us this like we just walked into the genre? Anyway, geting stronger and stronger is one thing, going from mid tier to destroying the most powerful people in the world with absolutely no logic behind why because his brother is threatened is another.
And how will him fighting to the death stop the skin melting off his bones when Akainu targets him?
The key word there is "almost dies".
Also none of this even vaguely relates to the post you quoted.
Oh yeah!!! Oda is probably thinking that Luffy will get fuck up in the new world anyway so let just kill him off in this war and change the main character.
well that my answer right there.
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If you actually read what I said before, I'm not saying Luffy is going to die. I'm just saying the best he can hope for in the war is maybe holding off one Shichi.
And that's a big maybe
@robbybevard:
It worked for Berserk. This war is OP's equivilent of the Eclipse. After this is all over, we'll shift focus to the real main character of the series, Coby.
Best idea yet.
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Oh yeah!!! Oda is probably thinking that Luffy will get fuck up in the new world anyway so let just kill him off in this war and change the main character.
I nominate Eddie and the WB pirates.
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http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=23427
Usopp absolutely slaughtered Doflamingo. I don't think Luffy would have that much trouble with him.
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@robbybevard:
I take back everything I said earlier. It TOTALLY slipped my mind, that one scene at Impel Down where Luffy's haki powerups allowed him to bypass Magellan's poison defense and knock him out with one hit like a lot of people had hoped, and allowed everyone to get to safety.
Silly me, my bad. I don't know how I could have forgotten about that.
Luffy is totally going to take out at least one admiral in the course of this, probably Aokiji since thats what he developed gear 2 for, and singlehandedly change the tide of the entire battle. That's totally whats going to happen.
It worked for Berserk. This war is OP's equivilent of the Eclipse. After this is all over, we'll shift focus to the real main character of the series, Coby.
whoa!!! when did I said Luffy will turn into WB….. the whole point of the argument was that people keep saying any Shichibukai could defeat Luffy. Luffy could wait until Akainu is distracted and just grab Ace, then use WB as a distraction and just run away or something.
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Lol I keep waiting for people to speak what's really on their minds, it's clear that people think that Luffy would go Goku if Ace dies in front of him like (Kurin from Frieza) and he'd unlock his haki and transform like some super saiyan crap and pwn all the top tiers, it's hella funny that that's the vibe I'm getting.
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Naw man. Luffy would be hard pressed to beat Buggy again, let alone a top tier.
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Lol I keep waiting for people to speak what's really on their minds, it's clear that people think that Luffy would go Goku if Ace dies in front of him like (Kurin from Frieza) and he'd unlock his haki and transform like some super saiyan crap and pwn all the top tiers, it's hella funny that that's the vibe I'm getting.
That's EXACTLY what people are thinking.
Is why I don't pay attention to haki discussions.
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I DO think Luffy will do something big and flashy in the war, I expect it. Just not strength-related, so it'll make it clear that he's still weak as fuck.
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Lol I keep waiting for people to speak what's really on their minds, it's clear that people think that Luffy would go Goku if Ace dies in front of him like (Kurin from Frieza) and he'd unlock his haki and transform like some super saiyan crap and pwn all the top tiers, it's hella funny that that's the vibe I'm getting.
You got the wrong vibe if you think that people are saying he'd "pwn all the top tiers".
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@$abZ:
You got the wrong vibe if you think that people are saying he'd "pwn all the top tiers".
Nope, thats exactly what people are saying.
And its stupid.
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@robbybevard:
That's EXACTLY what people are thinking.
Is why I don't pay attention to haki discussions.
Hey man, let me hit you up for some lotto numbers?
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@Dan:
Naw man. Luffy would be hard pressed to beat Buggy again, let alone a top tier.
This is unfortunately true, since haki is ambition, Buggy's ambition (Haki) is increasing with all this praise he's getting, so he's probably on par or past "Kings" haki, I really want to see what he'll do, in my opinion Shanks might have to come to stop Buggy, since they're friends they know each other, if Shanks doesn't show though, then maybe when Aokiji reforms…
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@robbybevard:
Nope, thats exactly what people are saying.
And its stupid.
I didn't bother to check back. Who the fuck said that? That's next level shit.
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@robbybevard:
Nope, thats exactly what people are saying.
And its stupid.
whoa!!! when did I said Luffy will turn into WB….. the whole point of the argument was that people keep saying any Shichibukai could defeat Luffy. Luffy could wait until Akainu is distracted and just grab Ace, then use WB as a distraction and just run away or something.
You seem to have ignore that post.
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@Fiasco.:
since they're friends
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Don't even bother bro. That guy's PHYSIC!
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@robbybevard:
That's EXACTLY what people are thinking.
Is why I don't pay attention to haki discussions.
Well don't condemn the idea of haki altogether Luffy more than likely will start using it suddenly in a limited fashion, it's just that when people started saying that if Ace dies Luffy will snap just made me picture Goku going SSJ. It really did sound like they think that he'd clench his fist and teeth, then lightning would strike and his hair would start to lift off his head, then he'd yell and release a haki burst, oh the lulz.
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Well don't condemn the idea of haki altogether Luffy more than likely will start using it suddenly in a limited fashion, it's just that when people started saying that if Ace dies Luffy will snap just made me picture Goku going SSJ. It really did sound like they think that he'd clench his fist and teeth, then lightning would strike and his hair would start to lift off his head, then he'd yell and release a haki burst, oh the lulz.
Now that is funny
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He already uses haki.
And if anyone was thinking what you proposed with the top tier killing and the Dragonball rip off and what not, they must be new. Like new to thinking and reading and stuff.
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@Dan:
He already uses haki.
And if anyone was thinking what you proposed with the top tier killing and the Dragonball rip off and what not, they must be new. Like new to thinking and reading and stuff.
whoa!!! when did I said Luffy will turn into WB….. the whole point of the argument was that people keep saying any Shichibukai could defeat Luffy. Luffy could wait until Akainu is distracted and just grab Ace, then use WB as a distraction and just run away or something.
You seem to have ignore my post too.
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It really did sound like they think that he'd clench his fist and teeth, then lightning would strike and his hair would start to lift off his head, then he'd yell and release a haki burst, oh the lulz.
Didn't that happen on Amazon Lily.
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You seem to have ignore my post too.
Because you, and $abZ, a're ignoring the last 8 pages of conversation. Don't come in at the END of a topic and agree with the people at the end that are right, or those commenting about earlier posters, and then say "I don't see anyone saying that" when there were in fact, people saying that.
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@$abZ:
Didn't that happen on Amazon Lily.
And in ID as well?
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The idea of Luffy knocking out an admiral isn't so far fetched. I could see an admiral being weak after fighting a powerful opponent and struggling to keep standing and then getting one-shotted by Luffy who takes him by surprise. Though him taking on an admiral who is still in a condition to fight is just plain ludicrous even if he saw Ace die slowly and agonizingly a hundred times.
I could see Luffy distracting Sengoku or something. We all know Sengoku is really pissed off at Luffy and kind of has an irrational fear that he somehow manages to cause trouble even though he is a relative nobody. All Luffy has to do is run and get some powerful guy to chase he doesn't need to fight and probably shouldn't.
Its a good thing for Luffy that he has Jinbei and Ivankov who are both level-headed guys. The current battle is not a place where you can just rush into fool-hardily. Not only with that make Luffy fail he will probably get killed. Then again that might be where it goes and we might see Garp do something. I still think Garp's obvious absence is because he is gonna do something or because he is gonna go after WB himself.
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@robbybevard:
Nope, thats exactly what people are saying.
And its stupid.
That's what a few people are saying and a dozen more are joking about otherwise. Those few people leave the threads long after people are done mocking them. They're fighting a war that the other side abandoned long ago. It's beating a dead horse then laughing about how much beating a dead horse is beating a dead horse.
For example, I can't remember the guy who said luffy would "pwn the top tiers." Please quote their posts, cause they've been completely forgotten, lost in this wave of joke after joke, trying to get people to ignore those ideas but only drawing more attention to them.
Edit: Dreadcutlass you're not helping.
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@robbybevard:
Because you, and $abZ, a're ignoring the last 8 pages of conversation. Don't come in at the END of a topic and agree with the people at the end that are right, or those commenting about earlier posters, and then say "I don't see anyone saying that" when there were in fact, people saying that.
Sorry we weren't there for the earlier heated 8 pages. Bet they were some awesome pages man. sorrrry
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@robbybevard:
Because you, and $abZ, a're ignoring the last 8 pages of conversation. Don't come in at the END of a topic and agree with the people at the end that are right, or those commenting about earlier posters, and then say "I don't see anyone saying that" when there were in fact, people saying that.
That funny cause I was the only one arguing about Luffy on that page and you
I take back everything I said earlier. It TOTALLY slipped my mind, that one scene at Impel Down where Luffy's haki powerups allowed him to bypass Magellan's poison defense and knock him out with one hit like a lot of people had hoped, and allowed everyone to get to safety.
Silly me, my bad. I don't know how I could have forgotten about that.
Luffy is totally going to take out at least one admiral in the course of this, probably Aokiji since thats what he developed gear 2 for, and singlehandedly change the tide of the entire battle. That's totally whats going to happen.
I was arguing toward Luffy vs Shichibukai not against Admiral just to clarify.
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First three I found, about 8 pages back as I said. I stopped following the conversation as closely at that point, as "haki" came into the topic. To be fair, Thousand Lion Chan is a main proponent. Its all been follow up since then. After this it devolved into a Shichi vs thread. And upon going back, you were actually there $abZ, so I don't know why you didn't see all this earlier when you were commenting on it then.
Actually if Ace was/ or is executed Luffy would probably go crazy with rage and power, yeh he probably would unintentionally have control over haki, and thus make a difference…
@Thousand:
You know, I see Luffy actually facing an Admiral like Kizaru and beating him. Before you go all you're crazy and retarded, I mean beating him in the sense of getting him out of his way like getting one good hit in that will send him flying to someone like Marco. Think about it, Luffy's immune to blunt hits. So I could see Kizaru beating him around and then going to finish him off with a light sabre when Luffy (affected by all the drama) manages to accidentally turn on haki again and hits Kizaru (who doesn't dodge because Luffy would have had his attacks go through him previously and he would think the same was going to ahppen again). Actually hitting an Admiral I think would easily fill the criteria of Luffy doing something impressive and not to mention I think it would make sense that a Haki imbued Luffy would at least be strong enough to put a dent on an Admiral when their guard is down if he's really lucky.
Just a theory of mine:/.
Luffy is very agile and quick, and can hit very hard. When he learns to use his haki to shut down the DF of whoever he hits (from very far away with his rubber power), he'll be top tier for sure. Add to that his other haki potential - mantra-like reading opponents moves, adding extra damage to his blows, and knocking everyone but the strongest people unconscious just by standing around - then he can be a scary guy. It's just a question now when he's going to learn all of this potential.. probably after the war. Would be kind of a cop-out if he learned it all now:
Akainu stands in Luffy's way to prevent him from saving Ace
Luffy: "Aaah my hands burn when I try to hit you!"
~ but I've been thinking about what happened on Amazon Lilly, and I knew I would be facing some really strong guys here.. so here is something I can try ~
Luffy: "gear 4: haki"
Luffy knocks Akainu aside, grabs Ace and runs offOh, and hey. A new one just now. how conveniant. At least he caveatas and explains why its unlikely after
The idea of Luffy knocking out an admiral isn't so far fetched. I could see an admiral being weak after fighting a powerful opponent and struggling to keep standing and then getting one-shotted by Luffy who takes him by surprise. Though him taking on an admiral who is still in a condition to fight is just plain ludicrous even if he saw Ace die slowly and agonizingly a hundred times. .
I am sorry if the fact that, within two hours, the thread went from page 19 to page 26, and that lingering conversations, ideas and arguments seem unwiedly to you all, being from, you know, constant back and forth between multiple individuals over the course of… 2 hours.
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That's what a few people are saying and a dozen more are joking about otherwise. Those few people leave the threads long after people are done mocking them. They're fighting a war that the other side abandoned long ago. It's beating a dead horse then laughing about how much beating a dead horse is beating a dead horse.
For example, I can't remember the guy who said luffy would "pwn the top tiers." Please quote their posts, cause they've been completely forgotten, lost in this wave of joke after joke, trying to get people to ignore those ideas but only drawing more attention to them.
Edit: Dreadcutlass you're not helping.
I was exaggerating I'm actually for Luffy fight someone like Smoker remember that? I just found the scenario that some were suggesting hilarious but I don't discount his haki being awakened in combat.
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You do know that Luffy would need haki to beat Smoker right? lol.
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Oars = Oda's romanisation of the guy we have all been calling oz or odz or whatever for the last two years.
The giant at the end of the chapter is his grandson.
He does look like him, I actually thought that was him at first.
@Tokoro:
I'm sort of used to the double-pages by now. I wish the chapters were longer too but…this is essentially the culmination of everything that's been boiling since we've entered the Grand Line (just like Loguetown is the culmination of everything in East Blue). Something big is happening and Oda just is presenting it in widescreen.
That said, I didn't post until now on this but this was a fun chapter. I really haven't followed every detail of every part of the battle thus far but seeing stuff like the Phoenix fruit, Akainu's magma power confirmed and Oars running amuck is fun stuff.
I have no problem with the double pages. I believe it fits this war like arc.
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@robbybevard:
First three I found, about 8 pages back as I said. I stopped following the conversation as closely at that point, as "haki" came into the topic. To be fair, Thousand Lion Chan is a main proponent. Its all been follow up since then. After this it devolved into a Shichi vs thread. And upon going back, you were actually there $abZ, so I don't know why you didn't see all this earlier when you were commenting on it then.
Oh, and hey. A new one just now. how conveniant. At least he caveatas and explains why its unlikely after
I don't know Keane, but even i know you cant take what he says seriously. And what the other two people said - which was basically that Luffy could manage to hit an admiral in the nick of time to help tip the scales, and/or gain some sort of control over his Haki/some kind of haki power up and do some damage with that - is not really irrational at all.
Luffy could easily not end up doing any of that, it might not be the time for that yet, but it also conceivably could be. And if it was the time, it wouldn't be some illogical plot hole or anything. No matter how much you may dislike it, Luffy and this Haki stuff has been building up at an ever increasing pace, and it's got to come to a head sooner or later. Now is a great opportunity for that to happen.
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@robbybevard:
First three I found, about 8 pages back as I said. I stopped following the conversation as closely at that point, as "haki" came into the topic. To be fair, Thousand Lion Chan is a main proponent. Its all been follow up since then. After this it devolved into a Shichi vs thread. And upon going back, you were actually there $abZ, so I don't know why you didn't see all this earlier when you were commenting on it then.
Oh, and hey. A new one just now. how conveniant. At least he caveatas and explains why its unlikely after
…......lol.
that reply came after the one where I was defending Luffy. It like you were implying that it was me who said Luffy could beat the top tier. So no hard feeling man.
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…......lol.
that reply after came after the one where I was defending Luffy. It was like you were mocking me or something. So no hard feeling man.
Naw, I try not to mock anybody (with the exception of juju14.) though sometimes I go into total smartass mode, because its funny, and I try to be obvious about the fact that I'm joking. But I usually try to do the actual "debate" thing when debates are going on. My sarcasm about Luffy beating Magellan was the topper to several pages of stuff prior to that and I was probably already writing it before I even saw your post, honestly.
All along I've had the stance that, as the main protagonist, obviously Luffy will do something impressive, but given the standards Oda has set up, and that as epic as this is, its ONLY the first half of the series and Luffy needs room to grow yet… he shouldn't be able to beat a higher tier character, which includes the Shichi, (whom he can pose a challenge to, but not overcome with any sort of ease) which means he probably shouldn't have a huge effect on the final outcome of this war. Smaller victories, yes.
If Ace lives or dies, yeah, he'll make a difference.
Big picture where Whitebeard lives or dies which is THE most important outcome of this? Probably not.
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@robbybevard:
Big picture where Whitebeard lives or dies which is THE most important outcome of this? Probably not.
I disagree. If Buggy ends up killing Whitey it will be all Luffy's fault. Think about it…