Very foul play from your part my friend. Very foul. You've just yourself in the knee with that line of argumentation. No further need for talkbacks.
Chapter 542: "Another Event To Soon Be Told" Discussion
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:unsure:
I can't help it that you contradict yourself every other 3 posts.
What I can't stand is that you would attack me personally, only to crawl back and whine about me bullying you… 3 posts later.
Have a nice day :getlost:
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There are ways for Luffy to get out of Impel Down without being successful in escape. Being beaten by a particularly sadistic Vice-Admiral or a certain Shichibukai and dragged away to witness his brother killed, for example.
He'll probably be successful in it, though it doesn't sit well with me.
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I still think BB with capture luffy and ace and luffy will be annonunced to be executed at the same time
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@Yonkou#3:
Just read from chapter 536-present. I have 8 words for you.
HOLY SHIT! and Laffete has wings?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
fucking god dammit
hahahahahaha
i couldn't help but laugh at this -
Next week is going to be interesting. Everything could happen, but for me, the most interesting character at the moment is Shiryuu. I can't wait to see him doing something very badass. I mean, Magellan actually believes he has the power to beat a shichibukai. Yes, he probably doesn't know about BB's DF, but still, just the fact that he could see Shiryuu defeating a Shichibukai is very promising.
I guess a lot people don't see Magellan and Shiryuu on par with such guys like Blackbeard, Crocodile and Jinbei because they don't have such flashy titles like the Shichibukai. -
@iSheep:
I guess a lot people don't see Magellan and Shiryuu on par with such guys like Blackbeard, Crocodile and Jinbei because they don't have such flashy titles like the Shichibukai.
Why not? Actually it makes sense to have guys of such levels take care of Impel Down. Personally I find it very satisfying to see how quick Magellan took care of things so far when needed.
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Yep! The stuff good sequels are made of Same concept, different stage.
Couldn't one make the argument that OP as a whole is the same concept different stage then?
If that's the case then there hasn't been an original idea in a very long time.
I do agree that while themes may carry over, it would be foolish to assume it's simply replaying previous events scene for scene and theme for theme on a different scale.
Personally I find it very satisfying to see how quick Magellan took care of things so far when needed.
Wasn't that great? It's nice to see Oda creating his higher tiered defense forces as capable of dealing with insane threats.
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If the WG cant handle Rayleigh (a single guy) and WB how could they handle Kaidou and WB?
Where did you get this from? Garp never outright said that the WG couldn't handle both of them at once. Garp even went on to say that he would go over and handle the Rayleigh situation himself.
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This is why I really hope Luffy doesn't beat Magellan, it would be ridiculous, the highest ranking goaler that could be beaten by Luffy should be hannyabal.
Even Hannyabal might be too strong.
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Where did you get this from? Garp never outright said that the WG couldn't handle both of them at once. Garp even went on to say that he would go over and handle the Rayleigh situation himself.
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter501.txt
sadly stephens translation is not as clear as the one in the scanlation. So maybe it was never stated that they couldent handle 2 but that's in all the scans we are reading :P so cant really blame me for assuming that
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This is why I really hope Luffy doesn't beat Magellan, it would be ridiculous, the highest ranking goaler that could be beaten by Luffy should be hannyabal.
Even Hannyabal might be too strong.
Uh, dude, Hannyabal lost to Mr. 2 a few chapters ago. That's ridiculous.
That said, Luffy is definitely going to beat Magellan this arc, otherwise he's not going to get the chance again. The fact that you don't believe he can means the author has set up Luffy as a great underdog.
Where did you get this from? Garp never outright said that the WG couldn't handle both of them at once. Garp even went on to say that he would go over and handle the Rayleigh situation himself.
Considering Garp hasn't gone to Shabody yet, handling the situation himself seems to be burying information. Regardless of the exact words, the implication is that making an enemy out of both Whitebeard and Rayleigh complicates things in an already serious situation. Whether or not the WG can handle both at once isn't the issue so much as whether or not fighting both at once is worth the risk.
And it shouldn't be beyond the imagination that two legendary pirates could cause untold damage to even something as big as the World Government. We've seen throughout the story that they're hold on the world is a sensitive thing and could break under the wrong circumstance.
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This is why I really hope Luffy doesn't beat Magellan, it would be ridiculous, the highest ranking goaler that could be beaten by Luffy should be hannyabal.
Even Hannyabal might be too strong.
Round 2 against Magellan is a very promising idea as i have no idea on how to defeat magellan. I want this round mainly because luffy was raped so hard the last chapters that i want to see him take down that super guard. I'm tired of seeing luffy on the same level. A little power up will be appreciated.
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Couldn't one make the argument that OP as a whole is the same concept different stage then?
If that's the case then there hasn't been an original idea in a very long time.
I do agree that while themes may carry over, it would be foolish to assume it's simply replaying previous events scene for scene and theme for theme on a different scale.
Wasn't that great? It's nice to see Oda creating his higher tiered defense forces as capable of dealing with insane threats.
It is, in my opinion, over the course of these 10 years many different themes and moral concepts have been explored and presented in a very thought-provoking, original and entertaining way. Such themes include (in no certain order) slavery, religious dystopia, the worth of life, the right to exist, how evil isn't inherited, love of those who are shunned by society, rebllion against a near unstoppable force etc. and throughout ti all there has always been a prevalence of adventure, dreams and determination to stick by your livelihood whether being a doctor, shipwright, historian or an idiot ^O^
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Uh, dude, Hannyabal lost to Mr. 2 a few chapters ago. That's ridiculous.
Hannyabal was tricked. He would totally kick Mr.2 ass in a fight, no question, especially If you consider the fact that Mr.2 couldn't handle the cold on lvl 5 very well, but for Hannyabal It's just a way to show off his strength in fornt of the lvl 5 prisoners. Yes, we didn't see him walking there, but It's fair to assume that it isn't a big problem for him, otherwise It would be total pointless even mentioning it. It was just Odas way to say that Hannyabal is strong.
@Ivotas:Why not? Actually it makes sense to have guys of such levels take care of Impel Down. Personally I find it very satisfying to see how quick Magellan took care of things so far when needed.
I have the same opinion, but I'm just saying that I heard a lot people saying that Magellan isn't as strong as these guys, and that annoys me.
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Considering Garp hasn't gone to Shabody yet, handling the situation himself seems to be burying information. Regardless of the exact words, the implication is that making an enemy out of both Whitebeard and Rayleigh complicates things in an already serious situation. Whether or not the WG can handle both at once isn't the issue so much as whether or not fighting both at once is worth the risk.
And it shouldn't be beyond the imagination that two legendary pirates could cause untold damage to even something as big as the World Government. We've seen throughout the story that they're hold on the world is a sensitive thing and could break under the wrong circumstance.
I know, I was just stating that Garp didn't say the marines couldn't handle both of these entities at once. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (seriously), we haven't seen or heard from Garp since he said that line and we do not know what has happened on Saobondy since the SH's were "bounced" by Kuma.
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^^ Despite Rayleigh boasting that he would want to do more than just hold off Kizaru, he was out of breath really quick. I like the idea that Garp abandoned his post and went over there - but it doesn't seem likely, with the report that Kizaru captured 500 pirates over there.
Couldn't one make the argument that OP as a whole is the same concept different stage then?
If that's the case then there hasn't been an original idea in a very long time.
Concept was perhaps not the best word, scenario is better. One of the crew is being held captive by the WG, and the pirates won't stand for it.
And I think Oda is very original with different concepts. Unlike other popular AniManga, where the cast always do the same shit for the same reasons, suffering from the same weaknesses, over and over again, Oda keeps it original.
The Sequel!!
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Uh, dude, Hannyabal lost to Mr. 2 a few chapters ago. That's ridiculous.
Oh ofc, omg so stupid of me, you see, I thought, oh god, I thought rather stupidly, that erm, that Hannyabal was tricked, rather than beaten in a mano-mano fight, god, i'm so stupid. Will you forgive me.
I hope Luffy doesn't fight Magellan again for two reasons, one it follows this trend that seems to occur every arc, where Luffy gets beat only to come back with assistance/ new move, and rape the antagonist. Also - as i've mentioned - Magellan should be too strong as head galoer.
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Uh, dude, Hannyabal lost to Mr. 2 a few chapters ago. That's ridiculous.
that argument is so dumb, its just like the shanks loosing his arm. Hannyabal was caught unawares from behind and tied up. Hell even zoro was caught by a trick by a MUCH WEAKER mr. 3 in little garden.
that in no way showed hannyabal being weaker than mr. 2. And I also personally don't see Luffy beating magellan. I'm guessing it will be a team up on him or somehow they trick him in getting by. you know like he walks past them without seeing them and they quickly scissor the way shut or something.
i just can't see luffy beating him, the head gaolor of impel down alone. It didn't look like magellan was really hurt at all during their fight when he was hit, just surprised and wind knocked out. He just manhandled luffy. Sure if he had no poison then possible it could end up like a Lucci fight, and thats still a maybe. And no way does luffy have that kind of time or energy to do that. (ok maybe energy because of hormone boost)
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^^ Despite Rayleigh boasting that he would want to do more than just hold off Kizaru, he was out of breath really quick. I like the idea that Garp abandoned his post and went over there - but it doesn't seem likely, with the report that Kizaru captured 500 pirates over there.
Ahhhh yes, Rayleigh also wanted to help Luffy with his Sentomaru dilemma, but he also said that he wasn't in his prime so such a task was out of his reach. Also, Garp wasn't showcased as one of the marines who was gathered at Marineford after all of the other top brass marines were. The only two absent so far, to our knowledge, is Garp and Akainu.
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Round 2 against Magellan is a very promising idea as i have no idea on how to defeat magellan. I want this round mainly because luffy was raped so hard the last chapters that i want to see him take down that super guard. I'm tired of seeing luffy on the same level. A little power up will be appreciated.
i agree on the basis of I also am tired of seeing luffy and crew on this weak level compared to the rest of the strong guys. But I don't want no pop out of no where 2nd bankai or super siayan or whatever bullshit.
I would be perfectly happy if he gets help, teamwork this whole arc and then we see some major putting their feet down to get stronger once they set off sailing again.
If I'm reading Oda correctly this arc starting with thriller bark has been to show how they just aren't ready for the new world in their current physical shape. They are mentally yes, but they can't just freely sail all fun anymore. Thriller bark was pure teamwork fighting to win, they worked together on shabondy, luffy in impel down has been working together with others the whole time as well.
And so far escaping what is happening, Luffy/croc/jimbei all running and attackig together. So why would it become a one on one against magellan. The 3 guards are from what can tell taken out. So what we have Sadi, hanyabel and magellan left. And we have Iva, Inazuma, Luffy, Jimbei, Croc, Mr. 2, Mr. 1 all left on good side. Beasts taken care of, blugori taken care of, and who care about fodder guards.
So I can see like mr. 1 and 2 vs sadi. Iva inazuma teaming up vs someone and the 3 teaming up against the remainig one. No way luffy fighting alnoe it makes no sense.
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that argument is so dumb, its just like the shanks loosing his arm. Hannyabal was caught unawares from behind and tied up. Hell even zoro was caught by a trick by a MUCH WEAKER mr. 3 in little garden.
that in no way showed hannyabal being weaker than mr. 2. And I also personally don't see Luffy beating magellan. I'm guessing it will be a team up on him or somehow they trick him in getting by. you know like he walks past them without seeing them and they quickly scissor the way shut or something.
i just can't see luffy beating him, the head gaolor of impel down alone. It didn't look like magellan was really hurt at all during their fight when he was hit, just surprised and wind knocked out. He just manhandled luffy. Sure if he had no poison then possible it could end up like a Lucci fight, and thats still a maybe. And no way does luffy have that kind of time or energy to do that. (ok maybe energy because of hormone boost)
Don't forget Luffy was tired and hungry, now he's high on adrenaline. Look at how much he struggled with Minotaurus, compared to the Koala. Also, I like the idea that he's immune to Magellan's poison now - or that Croc of Mr. 3 will limit the spread of it.
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he struggled with minotaurus? i thought he blasted him away with a gear 2 punch. then later a normal punch with wax on his hand beat him. luffy was surprised by his quickness so got hit once, but wasn't hurt.
and then versus kaola or whatever one he hit, he used his most powerful attack, gear 3. which lucci has known first hand is not a bluff.
And yes luffy was worn out, but seriously you cant believe he would have won or the fight been any diffferent if he had those adrenaline hormones back then as well. He can't tough magellan or he goes back to dead luffy. and magellan didn't look hurt at all during fight and stood over him at the end like he was a little bitch.
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i agree on the basis of I also am tired of seeing luffy and crew on this weak level compared to the rest of the strong guys. But I don't want no pop out of no where 2nd bankai or super siayan or whatever bullshit.
I would be perfectly happy if he gets help, teamwork this whole arc and then we see some major putting their feet down to get stronger once they set off sailing again.
If I'm reading Oda correctly this arc starting with thriller bark has been to show how they just aren't ready for the new world in their current physical shape. They are mentally yes, but they can't just freely sail all fun anymore. Thriller bark was pure teamwork fighting to win, they worked together on shabondy, luffy in impel down has been working together with others the whole time as well.
And so far escaping what is happening, Luffy/croc/jimbei all running and attackig together. So why would it become a one on one against magellan. The 3 guards are from what can tell taken out. So what we have Sadi, hanyabel and magellan left. And we have Iva, Inazuma, Luffy, Jimbei, Croc, Mr. 2, Mr. 1 all left on good side. Beasts taken care of, blugori taken care of, and who care about fodder guards.
So I can see like mr. 1 and 2 vs sadi. Iva inazuma teaming up vs someone and the 3 teaming up against the remainig one. No way luffy fighting alnoe it makes no sense.
I also agree that a bankai style here will be stupid. But we have seen the whole time since the crew was crushed and scattered that Oda made luffy use his "willpower" blast (well actually he doesn't know it)… I also have nothing against teamwork but it doesn't improve luffy at all. The problem with a teamwork is that the combination of all the attacks of your team takes down your opponent(s). And with that kind of battle tactic i can't see luffy evolving. Imo the only way for him to evolve is to fight magellan alone and find a way out of it.
In the first fight he thought that attacking him despite will be enough to take him down and somehow deal with the injuries. He was damn wrong. I can't believe it hasn't affected luffy. I can't wait to see his reaction when they will face magellan again :)
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Magellan is well known, he guards pirates of shichibukai strenght and higher. There's no way Luffy should have a chance 1on1, at best, luffy should take down Hannyabal, or a weak vice admiral in this war.
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@iSheep:
Next week is going to be interesting. Everything could happen, but for me, the most interesting character at the moment is Shiryuu. I can't wait to see him doing something very badass. I mean, Magellan actually believes he has the power to beat a shichibukai. Yes, he probably doesn't know about BB's DF, but still, just the fact that he could see Shiryuu defeating a Shichibukai is very promising.
I guess a lot people don't see Magellan and Shiryuu on par with such guys like Blackbeard, Crocodile and Jinbei because they don't have such flashy titles like the Shichibukai.I don't know. I kind of suspect that the reason Shiryuu has been set up as about equal to Magellan is so that Blackbeard (or someone) can easily beat him, demonstrating the difference in power between Luffy and Blackbeard. But I agree that just about anything could happen next, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if I was wrong.
Though I would be surprised if Luffy doesn't end up doing something far more impressive than some of the above posters give him credit for.
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he struggled with minotaurus? i thought he blasted him away with a gear 2 punch. then later a normal punch with wax on his hand beat him. luffy was surprised by his quickness so got hit once, but wasn't hurt.
and then versus kaola or whatever one he hit, he used his most powerful attack, gear 3. which lucci has known first hand is not a bluff.
And yes luffy was worn out, but seriously you cant believe he would have won or the fight been any diffferent if he had those adrenaline hormones back then as well. He can't tough magellan or he goes back to dead luffy. and magellan didn't look hurt at all during fight and stood over him at the end like he was a little bitch.
Luffy was running for the kitchen when Magellan cut him off. But I agree, Magellan is way stronger and still is. Luffy will have to rise to the occasion, if they battle. Wax-coated fists would be fucking awesome.
About the poison, thinking about it, he would have had to develop anti-bodies, making him immune to the types of poison Magellan already used. -
Magellan is well known, he guards pirates of shichibukai strenght and higher. There's no way Luffy should have a chance 1on1, at best, luffy should take down Hannyabal, or a weak vice admiral in this war.
Fair enough hannyabal should be strong enough to bring luffy in a situation where his gear techniques are all useless… That's what i expect. Luffy can't enter the new world only with these techniques... At least one step into understanding his "willpower" will be alright. But not with techniques that have so many side effects besides being really strong!
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That is what I hope MagneticMonkey, while fighting hanyabal or a weak vice admiral, he unlocks abit of haki ect, like he did vs the sisters on AL.
"I must save ace" ect, super gear 2 punch ect.
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I also agree that a bankai style here will be stupid. But we have seen the whole time since the crew was crushed and scattered that Oda made luffy use his "willpower" blast (well actually he doesn't know it)… I also have nothing against teamwork but it doesn't improve luffy at all. The problem with a teamwork is that the combination of all the attacks of your team takes down your opponent(s). And with that kind of battle tactic i can't see luffy evolving. Imo the only way for him to evolve is to fight magellan alone and find a way out of it.
In the first fight he thought that attacking him despite will be enough to take him down and somehow deal with the injuries. He was damn wrong. I can't believe it hasn't affected luffy. I can't wait to see his reaction when they will face magellan again :)
see that right there is where we differ in opinions. I feel that luffy needing help from other strong pirates in defeating an opponent will make him realize he needs to improve versus him manning up and finding some way to beat magellan.
I mean if it were you and you got beat big time by some strong guy that had poison fruit and then later that day you manage to beat him (kind of like how luffy kept trying and trying till he beat crocodile) or if you need the help of TWO shichibukai and possibly others to beat him all workign together which senerio makes you think you need to get stronger.
so far its been basically scenerio 1 for whole series. Luffy has always been strong enough to beat all his opponents since beginning. He figured out a trick with his devil fruit that developed gears, but nothing he coudln't have done since beginning if he knew about it. And sure picked up a few new moves as well, but all just new ways of punching or kicking, nothing he coudln't have done in beginning if he thought hard enough. But lets look at the super tough opponents he has fought that are similar to magellan. Crocodile and Enel. Enel he was the opposite pokemon so he just got lucky. And crocodile it took one ass kicking, and then even after learning of his weakness another ass kicking before he finally beat him. And by ass kicking i mean luffy died at end of each of those fights ass kicking.
SO if luffy figures out some cheap way to beat him like croc or something then he will have learned nothing and be content with his own strength. (well this all of course considering he didn't just get owned by Kuma, Sentomaru, and Kizaru earlier) And luffy would just go along the grand line sialing again and not be thinking how to improve like after the aokiji ass-whooping
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Meh Hannybal is just fodder at this point for Team broken. The two powerhouses left in ID are Magellan and Shiryuu. Shiryuu is heading to Blackbeard so he's out of the picture. I don't see Magellan following Luffy to MHQ so he's most likely going to fall here and be the last defense toward freedom. It's going to be interesting to see how Oda has Magellan fall. Unless Croc and Jinbei get sidetracked to fight Hannybal, Sadi or Saldeath, it'll most likely be a team fight against Magellan. Considering with how the team has been trying to rush through things it'll be kinda weird for Luffy to meet Magellan and go "leave him to me." while Jinbei and Croc just stand there watching.
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SO if luffy figures out some cheap way to beat him like croc or something then he will have learned nothing and be content with his own strength. (well this all of course considering he didn't just get owned by Kuma, Sentomaru, and Kizaru earlier) And luffy would just go along the grand line sialing again and not be thinking how to improve like after the aokiji ass-whooping
If somebody finally gave him the memo on Haki…
"I get it, its a mystery technique."
He will have to learn it naturally. In battle. Protecting his comrades.
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@iSheep:
Hannyabal was tricked. He would totally kick Mr.2 ass in a fight, no question, especially If you consider the fact that Mr.2 couldn't handle the cold on lvl 5 very well, but for Hannyabal It's just a way to show off his strength in fornt of the lvl 5 prisoners. Yes, we didn't see him walking there, but It's fair to assume that it isn't a big problem for him, otherwise It would be total pointless even mentioning it. It was just Odas way to say that Hannyabal is strong.
I have the same opinion, but I'm just saying that I heard a lot people saying that Magellan isn't as strong as these guys, and that annoys me.
Oh come on! Mr. 2 regardless hogtied Hannyball and left him hanging. Saying he was "tricked" only makes up for so much. It's clear at least that these two are somewhat close in strength.
Edit for Hinscer: UNLIKE Mr. 3's steel wax, Mr. 2 did it with mere ropes. To do that requires at least enough strength to knock the victim out or pin them down. Either way, if he is stronger then Mr. 2 (which he probably isn't) then it's not by much.
That said, it makes the notice that Hannybal is too strong for Luffy ridiculous. It's been made a point anyway that Hannyball is butt of many jokes at Impel Down, strong by far weaker then Magellan. It was even shown again in this chapter, where Hannyball was panicking Magellan had already found a plan to fix the problem. There's no good reason for anyone to believe that Luffy is weaker then him, if he got tricked and bound by Mr. 2. There's also no good reason to assume that Hannyball is that strong because he's second in command to Magellan.
And being resistant to cold doesn't mean much. Mr. 2 can walked up a veritical wall. Luffy is bullet proof, and Jimbei claims to be "weak on land." Everyone has there own strengthes and weaknesses.
I know, I was just stating that Garp didn't say the marines couldn't handle both of these entities at once. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (seriously), we haven't seen or heard from Garp since he said that line and we do not know what has happened on Saobondy since the SH's were "bounced" by Kuma.
That's actually not possible, since Garp was shown talking to Ace not long after Luffy got bounced by Kuma. Unless he can travel back and forth between those islands it's not possible Garp went over there and did something. It's also unlikely that no on mentioned it already. Logically, Garp has been at this marine base the entire time.
Also, for everyone who doesn't want Luffy to beat Magellan, PLEASE suggest a good alternative. Cause having Luffy master his haki against Hannybal or a VC sucks beyond compare. Just because you don't want something to happen doesn't mean the alternative is a good idea. Luffy's quest can't be mediocre no matter how out of his league you think he is.
And those above mentioned people have no imagination. There are a bunch of ways to hurt someone without touching them, which I look forward to seeing Luffy use!
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see that right there is where we differ in opinions. I feel that luffy needing help from other strong pirates in defeating an opponent will make him realize he needs to improve versus him manning up and finding some way to beat magellan.
I mean if it were you and you got beat big time by some strong guy that had poison fruit and then later that day you manage to beat him (kind of like how luffy kept trying and trying till he beat crocodile) or if you need the help of TWO shichibukai and possibly others to beat him all workign together which senerio makes you think you need to get stronger.
so far its been basically scenerio 1 for whole series. Luffy has always been strong enough to beat all his opponents since beginning. He figured out a trick with his devil fruit that developed gears, but nothing he coudln't have done since beginning if he knew about it. And sure picked up a few new moves as well, but all just new ways of punching or kicking, nothing he coudln't have done in beginning if he thought hard enough. But lets look at the super tough opponents he has fought that are similar to magellan. Crocodile and Enel. Enel he was the opposite pokemon so he just got lucky. And crocodile it took one ass kicking, and then even after learning of his weakness another ass kicking before he finally beat him. And by ass kicking i mean luffy died at end of each of those fights ass kicking.
SO if luffy figures out some cheap way to beat him like croc or something then he will have learned nothing and be content with his own strength. (well this all of course considering he didn't just get owned by Kuma, Sentomaru, and Kizaru earlier) And luffy would just go along the grand line sialing again and not be thinking how to improve like after the aokiji ass-whooping
I don't want a cheap trick as he did against croc. I want serious improvement. So far we can assume everyone of the crew will come back with awesome knowledge and/or tricks/techniques. I don't want him to finish magellan with the other shichis go to save ace get out of trouble and meet his crew again.
He will be on the same level as before and it will be a shame since i assume his crew ill have evolved. So why not improving while fighting Magellan or hannyabal? We have seen hints with those haki blasts since Motobaro (duvals cow).
I just want him to think about it. It's not a big deal that luffy is actually really dumb. But i want him to think about this:- him knocking out motobaro
- rayleighs power
- him witnessing what the "willpower arrows" can do
- him being owned by the boa sisters predicting his movements
- him knocking out many amazons
- him knocking out the wolves…
I mean Oda put all these hints so chances are high he will actually learn how to use it. Or make one step forward to the control of this power. I will be disappointed if he comes out of this war without some new techniques only knowing that he should improve (he knows that since amazon lily).
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Oh come on! Mr. 2 regardless hogtied Hannyball and left him hanging. Saying he was "tricked" only makes up for so much. It's clear at least that these two are somewhat close in strength.
no that doesn't prove anything. Like i said earlier mr. 3 who is weaker than mr. 4 caught zoro by tricking him. And zoro beat mr. 1. Mr 3 is not a fighter at all in strength so no way can you say becuase zoro was caught are they close in strength.
Its just like Usopp's fights. he always wins by tricky, and clever attacks versus being stronger than his opponent. I don't know how strong hannyabell is, could luffy beat him, who knows. I would predict yes, based on he seems like a Lucci at best, but without claws so Luffy has upperhand.
But he is still a vice-chief of impel down, so he obviously isn't some weak guy. And mr. 2 was only on level 3. you don't have a vice-chief who can't handle level 3 prisoners.
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That's actually not possible, since Garp was shown talking to Ace not long after Luffy got bounced by Kuma. Unless he can travel back and forth between those islands it's not possible Garp went over there and did something. It's also unlikely that no on mentioned it already. Logically, Garp has been at this marine base the entire time.
Yeah I don't think Garp left really. He may of sent the marines who surrounded the auction house pre tenryubiito punch (high possibility) or contacted Kuma (low possibility) but there has been nothing to show that Garp left for SA himself to handle Rayleigh. And we have seen him post SA. He went to Ace in Impel Down in the "Nothing can stop this now" chapter and back in MHQ talking to Sengoku about Luffy invading Impel Down.
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So you guys seriously want Luffy to defeat Hannyabal, a guy that has been shitting his pants over the guy that gave him the worst suffering that he had in the whole series? I see a 1 on 1 Magellan - Luffy rematch inevitable. Hell I'm craving for it probably like a lot of fans.
Hell our protagonist been taking the worst beatings of his life since he faced his first real advisary which was Croc. Kuma and Magellan manhandled him in a way that probably a lot of people are craving more then ever seeing him beat a big name which Magellan showed he is. Bye now he proved enough that he is a powerhouse and that he can be compared to big names like the shichi so it only will make it more enjoyable when Luffy does beat him.
Though Phoenix Zoan makes the best point since I'm wondering myself how Jinbei & Crocodile will get sidetracked and he just can't have him fall against them three together cause that would be a waist of Magellan himself. Hell you got a char that's been set up for one hell of a rematch, why waist it?
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So you guys seriously want Luffy to defeat Hannyabal, a guy that has been shitting his pants over the guy that gave him the worst suffering that he had in the whole series? I see a 1 on 1 Magellan - Luffy rematch inevitable. Hell I'm craving for it probably like a lot of fans.
Hell our protagonist been taking the worst beatings of his life since he faced his first real advisary which was Croc. Kuma and Magellan manhandled him in a way that probably a lot of people are craving more then ever seeing him beat a big name which Magellan showed he is. Bye now he proved enough that he is a powerhouse and that he can be compared to big names like the shichi so it only will make it more enjoyable when Luffy does beat him.
Though Phoenix Zoan makes the best point since I'm wondering myself how Jinbei & Crocodile will get sidetracked and he just can't have him fall against them three together cause that would be a waist of Magellan himself. Hell you got a char that's been set up for one hell of a rematch, why waist it?
He lost 10 yrs of his life to that venomous piece of shit. He deserves revenge.
I still think it will come down to an all out brawl on level 3, but man I hope Luffy gets to fight Magellan.
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So you guys seriously want Luffy to defeat Hannyabal, a guy that has been shitting his pants over the guy that gave him the worst suffering that he had in the whole series? I see a 1 on 1 Magellan - Luffy rematch inevitable. Hell I'm craving for it probably like a lot of fans.
Hell our protagonist been taking the worst beatings of his life since he faced his first real advisary which was Croc. Kuma and Magellan manhandled him in a way that probably a lot of people are craving more then ever seeing him beat a big name which Magellan showed he is. Bye now he proved enough that he is a powerhouse and that he can be compared to big names like the shichi so it only will make it more enjoyable when Luffy does beat him.
Though Phoenix Zoan makes the best point since I'm wondering myself how Jinbei & Crocodile will get sidetracked and he just can't have him fall against them three together cause that would be a waist of Magellan himself. Hell you got a char that's been set up for one hell of a rematch, why waist it?
I don't know why its such a set up. i took it as a aokiji beating. Luffy has no grudge against magellan. He just wants to save Ace. Ace is no longer there, so Luffy wants to leave Impel down as fast as he can.
Magellan was just an obsticle that got in his way, sure he can get in his way again. But there is no big set up for an epic fight. This arc is about saving Ace, and that is at Marineford and not impel down anymore. Magellan is at most right now an obsticle. Beating him does or helps nothing. Ace is still captured and awaiting execution. Luffy is still however far away from Ace. This isn't like Lucci where he has to beat him or else Ace is never safe.
Lufy just has to get out of Impel Down, thats all there is.
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Magellan will block the way. Even if they have to join forces to take him down he won't let them pass. And luffy needs the newkama + ivan + the others to sail. He can't control a battleship alone. So yeah at the end the ID magellan and hannyabal will probably be down.
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I don't know why its such a set up. i took it as a aokiji beating. Luffy has no grudge against magellan. He just wants to save Ace. Ace is no longer there, so Luffy wants to leave Impel down as fast as he can.
Magellan was just an obsticle that got in his way, sure he can get in his way again. But there is no big set up for an epic fight. This arc is about saving Ace, and that is at Marineford and not impel down anymore. Magellan is at most right now an obsticle. Beating him does or helps nothing. Ace is still captured and awaiting execution. Luffy is still however far away from Ace. This isn't like Lucci where he has to beat him or else Ace is never safe.
Lufy just has to get out of Impel Down, thats all there is.
Magellan needs to fall. He's not going to stand aside while ID is in the middle of a riot and let Luffy board that marine battleship. Only way that is going to happen is with his defeat. So yeah he has to be defeated. How is the question?
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I don't know why its such a set up. i took it as a aokiji beating. Luffy has no grudge against magellan. He just wants to save Ace. Ace is no longer there, so Luffy wants to leave Impel down as fast as he can.
Magellan was just an obsticle that got in his way, sure he can get in his way again. But there is no big set up for an epic fight. This arc is about saving Ace, and that is at Marineford and not impel down anymore. Magellan is at most right now an obsticle. Beating him does or helps nothing. Ace is still captured and awaiting execution. Luffy is still however far away from Ace. This isn't like Lucci where he has to beat him or else Ace is never safe.
Lufy just has to get out of Impel Down, thats all there is.
It's not a set up for Luffy, it was a set up for the audience. I do think most fans are craving for the Magellan - Luffy rematch. And yeah I agree, it's not much of a set up that Magellan has to stop him cause he's the warden but it's still the set up even if it is an easy set up. Luffy has to go through him one way or the other.
Luffy has to get out, but Magellan has to stop him. That's all there is to it to.
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Idd, there is no rivalry between Mag and Luffy, other than Mag did his job - like kuzan - and showed Luffy how far he still has to go. Luffy beating Mag individually is just stupid, and Hannyabal is strong, all because he is a character played for comedic effect - garp anyone? - doesn't mean he isn't strong.
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That's actually not possible, since Garp was shown talking to Ace not long after Luffy got bounced by Kuma. Unless he can travel back and forth between those islands it's not possible Garp went over there and did something. It's also unlikely that no on mentioned it already. Logically, Garp has been at this marine base the entire time.
I knew I was missing something! How could I forget Garp conversing with Ace? Thanks for the correction.
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Oh come on! Mr. 2 regardless hogtied Hannyball and left him hanging. Saying he was "tricked" only makes up for so much. It's clear at least that these two are somewhat close in strength.
Look, you can deny the facts as much as you want, but fact is, that Hannyabal is portrayed as being strong. Not very smart, but strong. I don't want to compare him to Luffy, since we know nothing about him.
It was trickery. Hannyabal was even thinking that he hates to be tricked like that. Why would he lie to himself? Oda wanted to show us that It was trickery. If you just deny these facts, set up by Oda himself, than there is no point discussing this.
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Oh come on! Mr. 2 regardless hogtied Hannyball and left him hanging. Saying he was "tricked" only makes up for so much. It's clear at least that these two are somewhat close in strength.
shanks lost his arm to a cannon folder, remember?
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shanks lost his arm to a cannon folder, remember?
nope shanks is a weakling, some pussy seaking that lufy ohko'd on the start of his adventure bit off his arm.
everyone knows that luffy is stronger than shanks one of the yonkou
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Shanks lost him arm. But he still won in the end. Scared that little seaking off with his SSJ3 Haki burst. He didn't go out like a bitch like Hannyball did. Mr.2 basically went RAPE TIME on him. He not only tied him up but stole all his clothes while attack him from behind in a prison.
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Of course, It is pathetic but that isn't the point. We're discussing his combat strength, not how smart he is.