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Chapter 544 "Even the lid for the cauldron of hell will open" Discussion
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@The:
I'd like to think that his plan will somehow bring him to one of the ancient warships like Pluton and Poseidon.
THAT would cement his status as a world threat.
That's actually quite an interesting thought. Impel Down is underwater so it has the water connection to Poseidon. Plus BB seemed to know that Skypeia existed, so maybe he visited there once and knew of the Poneglyph.
I guess the question is whether or not ID was built by the people who had the ancient weapons, so they could hide Poseidon there without the WG knowing.
The other possibility is that the WG knows about Poseidon, but are hiding its existence from the rest of the world, and somehow BB found out about it. Which could explain his reason for wanting to become a Shichibukai, so it would be easier for him to gain access to ID. -
I thought it would've been neat if Impel Down had been built on top of something in order to hide it, but seeing as how Team Broken is heading in the opposite direction with every chapter, I doubt the depths of Impel Down are going to be explored in depth.
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@Xai:
Let's have a look at the current Blackbeard crew:
1. Teach (Blackbeard) -> Luffy's opponent
2. Lafitte -> Brook's opponent (or Sanji's?)
3. Jesse Burgess -> Franky's opponent
4. Doc Q -> Chopper's opponent
5. Van Auger -> Usopp's opponentIf Shiryuu has joined BB crew like I believe he has, then he will surely be Zoro's opponent.
Now in the prisoner list we got one male pirate - one Busco Shot, and one female pite -one Catalina.
I really like this idea, I have been thinking of it myself. Since BB seems to be Luffy's true antagonist, I can see crew VS crew and although BB crew is a little short at the moment, I have a feeling Oda will bring just enough members in BB crew to compliment SH crew for a nice rumble near the end of the series…..maybe.
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Another unique encouter between Luffy and Blackbeard. Oda is showing, with these meetings, that Blackbeard is strongly lined up for the main villian. Both Blackbeard and Luffy are the same person, with different ways of going about things (good and evil). Their motive and will are similar.
To be honest I was expecting the great war to be as good as the recent chapters… but after the last few chapters, the great war seems like it's going to be even better than I would have imagined. Well in, Oda.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
I really like this idea, I have been thinking of it myself. Since BB seems to be Luffy's true antagonist, I can see crew VS crew and although BB crew is a little short at the moment, I have a feeling Oda will bring just enough members in BB crew to compliment SH crew for a nice rumble near the end of the series…..maybe.
maybe he'll get prisoners from level 6 on his team or maybe he can find away to unite the shibukai into one final battle against the strawhats (near the end of series)
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I am really starting to like Magellan alot more these days. I must admit I am kinda sad to hear him talk of his demise to Hany, I hope Oda keeps him around for later use…he seems untouchable and would be a damn shame is he got defeated by BB's cheap ass DF power....
Then again if he manages to survive and not get, dare I say the forbidden word? "Killed", by BB I am sure he has a lot of answering to do with the WG....demotion? Almost definite.
maybe he'll get prisoners from level 6 on his team or maybe he can find away to unite the shibukai into one final battle against the strawhats (near the end of series)
I would much prefer him to get a crew possibly in Lv6 or even the new world, I wanna see new faces in his crew as opposed to him convincing the Shichi to join in a epic battle against SH….
Besides, Luffy has managed to gain much respect from some of the Shichi (Hancock, Jimbei, and possible Kuma?) and I doubt Hawk Eyes would go for something like that, all he is really looking forward to is his final battle with Zoro when he is ready (as I am)....
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Hmmm did any of you noticed this line?
MAGELLAN: THEN HE MUST HAVE TORN OPEN THE DOOR TO LEVEL TWO ON HIS WAY DOWN.
Wasn't that door covered by Magellan's poison to prevent Buggy and the other prisoners on level two from escaping? Does that emply that BB can do something about Magellan's poison? or maybe he just made a different door… XD cant be sure yet
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Hmmm did any of you noticed this line?
MAGELLAN: THEN HE MUST HAVE TORN OPEN THE DOOR TO LEVEL TWO ON HIS WAY DOWN.
Wasn't that door covered by Magellan's poison to prevent Buggy and the other prisoners on level two from escaping? Does that emply that BB can do something about Magellan's poison? or maybe he just made a different door… XD cant be sure yet
This has been mentioned earlier, although I didn't touch this.
I am assuming that BB can absorb the poison and spit it out somewhere else….seems like the most plausible idea atm...which would give us insight as to how BB and crew will "recover" from the mass poisoning done on them by Magellan....it has to go this way...I can't see any other rational explanation.
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well there is still the crew doctor, DOC. Q
oh what about Lafitte?… he seems a mysterious character?... All I know is he can sprout out wings and his stealthy... hehe
oh not to mention Shiryuu had some experience fighting MAGELLAN, and that means he must have received a poison antidote before, if MAGELLAN had already had his DF POWER that is. Doc. Q must have had an idea how to make it... LOL just a guess though
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I thought it would've been neat if Impel Down had been built on top of something in order to hide it, but seeing as how Team Broken is heading in the opposite direction with every chapter, I doubt the depths of Impel Down are going to be explored in depth.
Do you really think it would have been the smartest choice to put a volatile element under a bunch of unruly, rebellious, unpredictable prisoners who are the primary concern for the staff involved? Wouldn't it be smarter to have such a thing at a place that's designed to protect it?
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Do you really think it would have been the smartest choice to put a volatile element under a bunch of unruly, rebellious, unpredictable prisoners who are the primary concern for the staff involved? Wouldn't it be smarter to have such a thing at a place that's designed to protect it?
Well, what I originally had in mind was that this large structure, Impel Down, was built over top of something to hide. Time passes, most people forget over the centuries what its purpose was and someone goes ''Hey, we have this giant, ominous, underwater, tower out in the middle of nowhere. Perfect place for putting the world's scum away.'' Only the Elders and I suppose Magellan and Shiryuu would have known about whatever's down there. Certainly not the prisoners and grunt jailers, who probably wouldn't be able to comprehend the significance anyway.
My original prediction for Impel Down was that our jailbreak group, back when it was still small, would have to go down, deep beneath Level 6 before being able to go back up and escape, and that whatever they saw down there would fly right over their heads but leave us all agog. It would also have been a good setting for Luffy's final fight of the arc against Magellan; the true bowels of Impel Down, where no one has ever set foot before, where secrets that should never see the light of day are sleeping…
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Well, what I originally had in mind was that this large structure, Impel Down, was built over top of something to hide. Time passes, most people forget over the centuries what its purpose was and someone goes ''Hey, we have this giant, ominous, underwater, tower out in the middle of nowhere. Perfect place for putting the world's scum away.'' Only the Elders and I suppose Magellan and Shiryuu would have known about whatever's down there. Certainly not the prisoners and grunt jailers, who probably wouldn't be able to comprehend the significance anyway.
My original prediction for Impel Down was that our jailbreak group, back when it was still small, would have to go down, deep beneath Level 6 before being able to go back up and escape, and that whatever they saw down there would fly right over their heads but leave us all agog. It would also have been a good setting for Luffy's final fight of the arc against Magellan; the true bowels of Impel Down, where no one has ever set foot before, where secrets that should never see the light of day are sleeping…
That's…kinda dumb. Renovating an important structure as a jail house:/
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shrug I don't see what the problem is. According to my scenario, no one would really know what was going on with the place before.
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Who's Doc Q? .
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I always had the idea that Doc Q is always ill cos he somehow takes the other crewmembers' illnesses and bears their ill effects for them.
Perhaps this will apply here?
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shrug I don't see what the problem is. According to my scenario, no one would really know what was going on with the place.
I don't think this idea is stupid at all!
I mean think of it, ID is known as impenetrable, unbreakable, no way of escaping or bringing it down…with a place with such an ego, who would wanna dig under it!?!?
Perfect place to hide a nice secret!
@Minh:
Who's Doc Q? .
Doc Q is the doctor of Blackbeards crew. He is the one that is always riding the pale horse lol.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
I don't think this idea is stupid at all!
I mean think of it, ID is known as impenetrable, unbreakable, no way of escaping or bringing it down…with a place with such an ego, who would wanna dig under it!?!?
Perfect place to hide a nice secret!
Doc Q is the doctor of Blackbeards crew. He is the one that is always riding the pale horse lol.
OHHHHH that guy! I forgot him.
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shrug I don't see what the problem is. According to my scenario, no one would really know what was going on with the place before.
It introduces an element of risk unnecessarily.
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Well, what I originally had in mind was that this large structure, Impel Down, was built over top of something to hide. Time passes, most people forget over the centuries what its purpose was and someone goes ''Hey, we have this giant, ominous, underwater, tower out in the middle of nowhere. Perfect place for putting the world's scum away.'' Only the Elders and I suppose Magellan and Shiryuu would have known about whatever's down there. Certainly not the prisoners and grunt jailers, who probably wouldn't be able to comprehend the significance anyway.
My original prediction for Impel Down was that our jailbreak group, back when it was still small, would have to go down, deep beneath Level 6 before being able to go back up and escape, and that whatever they saw down there would fly right over their heads but leave us all agog. It would also have been a good setting for Luffy's final fight of the arc against Magellan; the true bowels of Impel Down, where no one has ever set foot before, where secrets that should never see the light of day are sleeping…
Good idea! But that's only possible if it was built there by the ancient civilization. Maybe BB is searching for something there.
edit: @thousand lion: you forget that the WG didn't even know about the poneglyph in Arabasta, so there are a lot of things about the ancient civ they don't have a clue about.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
I would much prefer him to get a crew possibly in Lv6 or even the new world, I wanna see new faces in his crew as opposed to him convincing the Shichi to join in a epic battle against SH….
Besides, Luffy has managed to gain much respect from some of the Shichi (Hancock, Jimbei, and possible Kuma?) and I doubt Hawk Eyes would go for something like that, all he is really looking forward to is his final battle with Zoro when he is ready (as I am)….
I thought that would be his incentive to join knowing that he could fight zoro since there gonna face off the SH and tell BB to not interfere or else… and when i said shibukai i meant the 5 that were at the table since jinbei and hancock clearly like luffy
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Semi-loved the chapter, would have wanted to see some more action, but i guess Luffy isn't ready for BB yet, and his priority now lies in escaping ID to somehow get to Ace before his scheduled execution. Oh well, i guess now we can look forward to BB vs Mag. I wonder if BB will apply his ability in such a skillful way as to remove the poison from he and his crew.
@crossword: I would love for that to be true, honestly it's puzzling why BB would disobey the WG and break in ID. One can only assume there is something of interest in ID, perhaps a prisoner? Or a secret. It wouldn't suprise me if BB went to level 6 to recruit another crew member, he doesn't strike the type to be after the Poneglyph or have interest in ancient civilisations so my guess would be to recruit a specific person. Obv it's just a theory.
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**I think BB have a thing with Magellan. from his 1st step on ID he wanted to see him, so I'm guessing he has a lot in his pocket than just get poisoned
anyway, if he survived from the poisons, how his crew will?
if he gonna save them, then how will he do it?I'm thinking of "Black Hole", what do you think, is it gonna work?**
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I thought that would be his incentive to join knowing that he could fight zoro since there gonna face off the SH and tell BB to not interfere or else… and when i said shibukai i meant the 5 that were at the table since jinbei and hancock clearly like luffy
It very well could be but you previously mentioned that "somehow" BB might "convince" Hawk Eyes….this is the part that got my reply because I hold Hawk Eyes with much respect and I doubt he would be "convinced" by the likes of BB to do what he is already planning on doing....fight Zoro.
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@S:
**I think BB have a thing with Magellan. from his 1st step on ID he wanted to see him, so I'm guessing he has a lot in his pocket than just get poisoned
anyway, if he survived from the poisons, how his crew will?
if he gonna save them, then how will he do it?I'm thinking of "Black Hole", what do you think, is it gonna work?**
antidote shiryu is on his way, with just one shot of the poison they should all be able to survive without the hard struggle luffy had to undergo.
i'm also pretty sure doc q and/or stronger can't be poisoned and has/have a special ability/procedure to deal with illnesses and even a way to transfer them onto other persons.
and when all strings tear apart blackbeard simply removes the poisen in his nakama on a cellular level, lol.
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IMO to go to all that trouble of breaking in ID especially since I don't think he knew what was going on he must be looking for an old friend. Maybe somebody who was originally friends with or on his crew who go caught by himself. Black Caesar
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crocodile is going to save them by sucking out the poison. BB could be there for any number of reasons, for all we know ID is an ancient weapon that has sunk and the WG doesn't know about it or the obvious lvl6 prisoner or maggelan himself. . .
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hmmmmmmmm…to go to all that trouble and then suddenly revoke his shichibukai status, its either what crossword said or they'll free someone very very important...I don't think that BB will just recruit anyone because from what I see he does have standards too and its that all his crew members believes in the same ideals as him.
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Those are the level 6 prisoners that Iva mentioned a few chapters back.
oh, with all of these names floating around I try to remember each and everyone one but if I don't hear it in the series enough times I tend to forget.
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I haven't read all the posts yet. But, the most likely answer is that Shiryuu is going to save them. He has worked for Magalan for a long time and he probably knows exactly the antidotes to Magalan's poisons. We saw in previous chapters that they have them ready since he often poisons his own staff. So Shiryuu must now know how to deal with the poison.
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I thought that would be his incentive to join knowing that he could fight zoro since there gonna face off the SH and tell BB to not interfere or else… and when i said shibukai i meant the 5 that were at the table since jinbei and hancock clearly like luffy
after the war i'm hoping the shichibukai go their own ways and either create crews or join other pirate crews. i'm hoping mihawk joins shanks crew. don't think we've seen a swordsman on shanks crew and mihawk being on his crew would be perfect for later down the line when luffy and shanks face off to prove who's crew is better. luffy would fight shanks to prove who's better, usopp would fight his father to prove who's better and then zoro would battle mihawk. sanji might face beckham.
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Shanks totally isn't a swordsman <,< .
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^I'm beginning to think Luffy won't prove he has the better crew by having his fight Shanks' but by getting OP and having all of them achieve their dreams.
I don't see Luffy ever becoming insanely stronger than Shanks and given the amount of Shanks crew fairly strong to haki strong they'd beat Luffy'd crew 9 times out of 10.
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But you were right though…
I'd rather not feed him. He seems like he gets off on shit like this.
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Awakened Zoan? Is this Oda's explanation of a birdman that don't die with an huge explosion?
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okay, I know odds are this is going to be closed, but I want an opinion on this from others. I'm a tad bit worried about Sanji from the last we saw of him, he seems to be enjoying himself too much on that island now…
I mean, could this some how impact his character? When he returns to the crew, will he be gay? bi? a crossdresser maybe?
Me, I don't know what to think, but I'm a tad bit worried... I like Sanji the way he is, but I wouldn't know how to feel if he returned to the crew liking guys... (I'm sure the yaoi fangirls would be thrilled though >_>)
So what do you think? Will Sanji come back as an Okama and stay that way for the rest of the manga? I mean, nothing wrong with being gay or anything, I freakin adore Bon Clay and Ivankov.
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Sanji won't become a crossdresser. I bet 100$
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Not only he will come back as a crossdresser, but you'll also be seeing Zoro married to Perona and Chopper as a cannibal, because that's just how OP is. Oda sure loves to change his characters and the status quo within the crew.:getlost:
And don't forget Luffyko. New crew will have five fine females, including Perona.
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he seems to be enjoying himself too much on that island now…
Really? He seemed more shell-shocked than genuinely enthused.
The poor bastard's been running from almost certain death by snoo-snoo for about five days now. In all of this time, he hasn't seen a single real woman, only very, very bad imitations. His state of mind will most certainly have taken a hit from all of this, and so blending in with the locals may be a reflexive defense mechanism.
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Jinbei thinks Ace is stronger than Luffy after seeing both fight. Told you guys. And Blackbeard lets attacks hit him like always, just like against Ace.
Also there has to be something more to Blackbeard's strength/fighting ability that the series hasn't shown yet or Shanks having any kind of problem in a fight against him at all (especially with Blackbeard having no Devil Fruit) makes no sense.
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Shanks totally isn't a swordsman <,< .
I know shanks uses a sword and is really good with one but i doubt that is his only fighting style. i see him being a complete fighter that fights with his body as well as his sword. mihawk is a pure swordsman like zoro.
@Zik:
^I'm beginning to think Luffy won't prove he has the better crew by having his fight Shanks' but by getting OP and having all of them achieve their dreams.
I don't see Luffy ever becoming insanely stronger than Shanks and given the amount of Shanks crew fairly strong to haki strong they'd beat Luffy'd crew 9 times out of 10.
luffy has to beat shanks or else luffy won't ever prove he has a better crew. is shanks even going after one piece? he was rogers crew so he obviously must know what one piece is.
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luffy has to beat shanks or else luffy won't ever prove he has a better crew. is shanks even going after one piece? he was rogers crew so he obviously must know what one piece is.
That's a little flawed. Shanks doesn't have the greatest pirate crew in the world. If Luffy became PK and all of his nakama achieved their dreams, most of the dreams that would make them legends in their own right they would not need to prove they're the better crew by defeating the Red Hair crew. They'd be better by default.
If that's the logic that's going to be used Luffy would have to defeat every pirate captain in the OP world to be the best. Same goes for Zoro and swordsman. But that's clearly not what they're doing. You can prove your the best or better by attaining the title that deems them as such.
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@Zik:
That's a little flawed. Shanks doesn't have the greatest pirate crew in the world. If Luffy became PK and all of his nakama achieved their dreams, most of the dreams that would make them legends in their own right they would not need to prove they're the better crew by defeating the Red Hair crew. They'd be better by default.
O.O I dont see anything there that mentioned shanks crew is the greatest in the world… all i can see is Luffy being able to have a greater crew than shanks. Hmmm but I dont think it will go that way... Luffy said that he will gather up a crew that would certainly surpass shanks... Hmm a battle is possible
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Sanji won't become a crossdresser. I bet 100$
I'll bet 100 berries against you.
Will you take it?
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O.O I dont see anything there that mentioned shanks crew is the greatest in the world… all i can see is Luffy being able to have a greater crew than shanks. Hmmm but I dont think it will go that way... Luffy said that he will gather up a crew that would certainly surpass shanks... Hmm a battle is possible
Never did say it wasn't possible. I said I'm beginning to think it won't go down like that.
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@Zik:
If that's the logic that's going to be used Luffy would have to defeat every pirate captain in the OP world to be the best. Same goes for Zoro and swordsman. But that's clearly not what they're doing. You can prove your the best or better by attaining the title that deems them as such.
Shanks might not actually know where or what One Piece is. Roger had plenty of time after the crew disbanded to hide One Piece, although Rayleigh probably knows where and what it is. I'm guessing Rayleigh was the last to leave Roger.
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Damn, One Piece these days is freaking hillarious!
Isn't because Hattori (of Bakuman manga) joined as Editor of One Piece? (lol just kidding)
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Damn, One Piece these days is freaking hillarious!
Isn't because Hattori (of Bakuman manga) joined as Editor of One Piece? (lol just kidding)
so famous people quit their jobs to serve under oda by now?
good choice, they serve a BIGGER purpose then!Shanks might not actually know where or what One Piece is. Roger had plenty of time after the crew disbanded to hide One Piece, although Rayleigh probably knows where and what it is. I'm guessing Rayleigh was the last to leave Roger.
rayleigh was probably the only one except for roger who was ever able to see/get a hold of one piece, he was his partner (and not some underling crewmate) after all…
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