Is Haki a Technique? Should it be Translated?

MagneticMonkey

To those that believe that Haki is simply "ambition", I have one question (not to be an ass, I really want to know your thoughts on this):

How is it that Rayleigh, whose current "ambition" is to be left alone so he can live a peaceful life, can still use Haki? I don't think that "ambition to be left alone" was enough to knock out all those people in the auction place (whatever it was called).

That argument doesn't work since people with a high "Ambition" level are really ambitious in everything they do. If he already conquered the GL that doesn't mean his ambition will drop. He can still use it to achieve everything he wants…
Living a peaceful life doesn't mean a lost of ambition.

@Jadosra:

Demon Rin, you're right about everything you said, except one thing I'm curious to.

Answer to this post, please:

chapter 516 (translation of stephen)

Luffy: Those arrows! Back when I was trying to escape…
...they were breaking through stone walls and stuff, too!
They're not some special kind of arrows, are they?

Margaret: (grr!)
What do you mean?
The arrows are infused with "Ambition"! Of course they're powerful!

Ambition is the powersource. And this power can be used in firing arrows and make that attack stronger.
The technique is the firing of arrows. The power behind it is physical strength and "Ambition". It's like using the force in star wars to slow down bullets or increase your speed etc… (that's how i understood it)
To me it's simple. If you're strong and really ambitious you can use this power to enhance your attacks.

Zkaiser

@Jadosra:

Demon Rin, you're right about everything you said, except one thing I'm curious to.

Answer to this post, please:

They never want to answer that because they know there answers sound stupid as hell.

wolfPack

@MagneticMonkey:

That argument doesn't work since people with a high "Ambition" level are really ambitious in everything they do. If he already conquered the GL that doesn't mean his ambition will drop. He can still use it to achieve everything he wants…
Living a peaceful life doesn't mean a lost of ambition.

Do you know what the word "ambition" means? From Merriam-Webster:

1 a: an ardent desire for rank, fame, or power b: desire to achieve a particular end
2: the object of ambition <her ambition="" is="" to="" start="" her="" own="" business="">3: a desire for activity or exertion <felt sick="" and="" had="" no="" ambition="">By definition, if you want nothing more than to live a peaceful life, you don't have ambition.</felt></her>

MagneticMonkey

@wolfPack:

Do you know what the word "ambition" means? From Merriam-Webster:

1 a: an ardent desire for rank, fame, or power b: desire to achieve a particular end
2: the object of ambition <her ambition="" is="" to="" start="" her="" own="" business="">3: a desire for activity or exertion <felt sick="" and="" had="" no="" ambition="">By definition, if you want nothing more than to live a peaceful life, you don't have ambition.</felt></her>

Oxford dictionary:
"something you want to do or achieve very much" or "the desire to be successful, rich, powerful, etc".

I used the one in bold and applied it to rayleigh. His desire to be successful in everything is really strong. And he can use that in every situation… To free himself, to knock out people, to escape, to sleep (no not really)

wolfPack

I'm still not seeing it. At this point, he doesn't want to be successful… he wants to be left the hell alone...

MagneticMonkey

@wolfPack:

I'm still not seeing it. At this point, he doesn't want to be successful… he wants to be left the hell alone...

And he wants/desires it so much that…
Basically, nothing can bend his mind. If he wants to gamble then he will and if you interfere...

wolfPack

If you really want to say he has ambition to be left alone, I guess that's your prerogative, but as for myself, that sounds like an extremely lame excuse… Ambition, unless the Japanese use the word differently, is inherently connected with the desire for upward mobility, which Rayleigh doesn't have.

MagneticMonkey

ambition taken literally would mean what i stated in the previous posts. Of course in the OP world it can means so much more I don't understand japanese. I'm only giving my point of view.

Ao Kiji

Simplest concept ever. Or is it?!

DAH-NAAAAAH!!! Wait, this is a One Piece forum…

DON!!!!!

I've been saying that since page one….

Demon Rin

@Jadosra:

Demon Rin, you're right about everything you said, except one thing I'm curious to.

Answer to this post, please:

In the One Piece World, One can use the force of their Ambition in their very weapons.
Kitetsu III is a good example of how things like this work in the One Piece world. Zoro felt the sword had a "Curse" and treats it like it's got it's own mind. At one point he said the sword "Cut when it's mater didn't will it to".
Weapons can take on the power of their masters.
I'm not saying "Lol, Ambition is just an Emotion", no, people are obviously using it in Many different ways. In the One Piece world, your very Ambition has so much weight that you can infuse your Very will into it.
For a good Example, I was just playing Zelda: The Wind Waker. When you get your First Sword, the guy who gives it to you says "This is the Legendary sword the Hero of our Tales used. It's been Imbued with his courage and Strength" That's EXACTLY what's going on here.
If one can use Their Ambition to Intimidate and hurt people, they're also able to pass that on into their weapons

In a series that puts so much importance on Dreams, why is it such a stretch to you people that those very same Dreams can be used to make a person stronger?

And about Reileigh, just because you've achieved your Main goal, doesn't mean you don't have new Goals. And yes, to live a carefree life is a Goal.
If you have "A King's Ambition", that just means you have enough Ambition required to become a King, but you don't JUST have to direct that Force of Ambition onto THAT goal.

But on that same note, Everybody needs to STOP thinking that suddenly EVERYTHING IN THE ONE PIECE WORLD IS SOMEHOW NOW EXPLAINED BY HAKI!!
No, Zoro didn't use "Cutting Haki" to cut Mr. 1, Nor is the Asura "Demon Haki". No, Diable Jambe isn't "fire Haki". Mantra wasn't Haki. Luffy didn't beat Crocodile because of his "Blood Haki". Usopp doesn't have "Sniping Haki". Nami isn't a good Navigator because she has "Climate Sensing Haki".

Quit treating this like it explains EVERYTHING IN THE SERIES!!

brennen.exe

So…then...wouldn't that make it an ability? A power? And wouldn't you refer to something like that by name since it is an ability or power? Also, aren't you making things up by claiming things aren't Haki when you, in fact, don't know that yet?

Crossword

Man, it's like it's impossible for people to do cool things in this series anymore without it being tied to Ambition in some way.

Demon Rin

@Crossword:

Man, it's like it's impossible for people to do cool things in this series anymore without it being tied to Ambition in some way.

Yeah, it makes me really really sad.
It used to be that Characters were just so Awesome Luffy could bust Crocodile through Solid Bedrock and that was an Amazing thing.
Now, he does something like that and the Fanbase Cries "OMG, LUFFY USED HIS BEDROCK BREAKING HAKI!!"
Not to mention his Seaking Punching Haki, his Armor Cracking Haki, his Shark-tooth Breaking Haki, his Water Holding Haki (otherwise how could he have held that water inside himself without Digesting it?!) His Blood OBVIOUSLY is imbued with Sand-Hardening Haki, his Rubber Body has Electricity-Resistant Haki, he can also Use Afro-Haki, which we mistakenly used to think was "Brothersoul". Gear 2nd is Obviously Haki too, as is Gear 3rd. Nightmare Luffy was also Luffy's "Shadow-Haki", that's obviously why he was able to take 100 shadows without passing out.

@brennen.exe:

So…then...wouldn't that make it an ability? A power? And wouldn't you refer to something like that by name since it is an ability or power? Also, aren't you making things up by claiming things aren't Haki when you, in fact, don't know that yet?

The same way Luffy's Devil's Fruit is an Ability.
It's not a power he can turn on and off, it's caused his body to now be permanently made of Rubber. It's a trait about Luffy now that he can use like a power at times, but other times he's just made of Rubber.
And you wouldn't translate that as "Nouryokusha" you'd translate it as "Ability User" and almost nobody leaves "Akuma no Mi" in Japanese, they always make it "Devil Fruit".
Also, we don't say "Luffy is Made of Gomu" we say "Luffy is Made of Rubber".
People only say Gomu when talking about his attacks "Gomu Gomu no Pistol".

Sesshy

Luffy's going to find a stick and imbue it with haki.
Then he'll beat the crap out of everyone with his haki stick.

FBIAgentAssigned

Oh christ. Let's use D.Gray Man here as an example. They say AKUMA (ooh, special word, its in JAPANESE, its goddamn COOL), but it is translated as demon. Perhaps Demon, since it is a proper noun in the context of the series. The same with haki. Unless there is some pronounciation-specific meanings (ie Zoro's Oni Giri) or it is already in another language (Oda is pulling the ANOTHER LANGUAGE IS COOL schtick) or the romanization of that word is seen constantly on signs or something, then it SHOULD be translated. God, I GET that some of you think anything said in another language is some fantastic awesome new thing, but really, its not. I can say Shihada in english, and GOD it could be THE MIGHTY SWORD OF AWESOME. But in reality it is "I'm taking a piss" in Korean.

And on the issue of untranslatable words, ANY close translation, even vague translation, is better than "lets leave it alone and let the readers/watchers define it with magic". When translating perhaps a TL note could be used to clarify its original meaning during the word's early usage. But "ambition or willpower or determination or power derived from the prior definitions" will not be as effective. A word gains some meaning in its simplity.

Actually, I have another example from comics. So its already in English, no translation fury required. Take Iron Fist, who is a martial artist who does not have a metal hand. The energy of the Iron Fist has been used in the past to give arrows or other more destructive power. See how that's like haki? He can imbue a bo staff with his Iron Fist, and it has some of his strength. See how its in English, but you understand that Iron Fist doesn't mean "A clenched hand made of an element mined from the earth". You can just say "Iron Fist" rather than "Energy of the Iron Fist", and its still comprendable.

Perhaps I'm a bit ranty, but really, this doesn't require so much heated discussion, to which I am now participating in.

EDIT: And since I'm pretty sure a mod will read this, could a space be somehow added to my name, since the forum format breaking was really unintentional and an undesired side effect.

Elastic_Swindler

Oriental martial arts legends are packed with examples where a weapon is imbued with the "Ki" of the fighter to receive supernatural qualities. Like a cloth whip that can cut through armor etc…

You can even see versions of those in popular manga, like One Piece or Ranma 1/2.

Kuminator

Haki is simply, a more emphasised version of the real world, Intimidation
Y'know if you see a really, tough guy, who could seriously kill you,
You don't mean too, but you just start feeling Intimidated.

Oda has just taken that Idea & evolved it for One Piece,
it is simply something that is always active, yet simply recognized
in times when the wielder is particularly angry, Shanks V. Beast
Rayliegh V. Prsioners, Luffy V. Motobaro

LeeWii

@Demon:

Yeah, it makes me really really sad.
It used to be that Characters were just so Awesome Luffy could bust Crocodile through Solid Bedrock and that was an Amazing thing.
Now, he does something like that and the Fanbase Cries "OMG, LUFFY USED HIS BEDROCK BREAKING HAKI!!"
Not to mention his Seaking Punching Haki, his Armor Cracking Haki, his Shark-tooth Breaking Haki, his Water Holding Haki (otherwise how could he have held that water inside himself without Digesting it?!) His Blood OBVIOUSLY is imbued with Sand-Hardening Haki, his Rubber Body has Electricity-Resistant Haki, he can also Use Afro-Haki, which we mistakenly used to think was "Brothersoul". Gear 2nd is Obviously Haki too, as is Gear 3rd. Nightmare Luffy was also Luffy's "Shadow-Haki", that's obviously why he was able to take 100 shadows without passing out.
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Hmm, i start to understand why people want the phrase to be fully translated.
When beating Crocodile he was determined to beat him and his "ambition" to win was greater. so yes, he used his "BEDROCK BREAKING HAKI!!" .. can't see what's the problem.

makerror

I think all of the fans are agree that Haki is an ability…just like Ki in DragonBall, Chakra in Naruto, and now Haki in One Piece..."Ki","Chakra","Haki" are the same function on the series itself...and in DB "Ki" was not translated, same as "Chakra" in Naruto...so I prefer the use of "Haki" than "Ambition".....that's just my opinion.

Robby

As I've said in the other Haki related forums… just replace "Haki" with "Giant Peener". Makes everything funnier.

Really everything that needed to be said in this thread was said on the first page. I'm just making the same
point again.

(And yes, it does raise the question of how great Margaret's Giant Peener is.)

Zkaiser

I would be all for translating it if it wasn't a proper noun and also wasn't printed in quotations.

Elastic_Swindler

Even Prince of Tennis manga had its own Haki, why not OP?

Captain Shmeckie

Rin, you're never gonna win, this. You know that, right? They NEED this. Haki lets' them theorize about new powers that come in various shapes and colors. Even if it is all bullshit. Much of this fandom theorizes so much they're a profile page at FF.net away from writing full-on fanfiction. Haki opens more doors for that, AND makes things easier to comprehend (a shonen series with a Ki! I get this now! God, all those varieties of fruit powers was too confusing, but now we have a normal, all-encompasing power! Plus, we can easily rank people now! Whew…).

They NEED this. They're not going to understand it, either. That little Zelda example you gave was pretty much spot on, but no one listened. Why? Pffft, "Ambition" ain't fun to theorize on. You can't classify and color-code "Ambition."

Ubergeeks love to classify shit, that's just how it is. Don't believe me? Look at all the moronic power level lists people keep making for Dragonball post-Freeza. They loooove to classify, arrange, list, etc. Like football nuts and their stat-tracking. Hardcore fans love charts and numbers. With Haki, they can make up some power levels, color code 'em Quicken-style, you name it! They've needed this for awhile. All these Devil Fruit powers were all too damn inventive, and the series' lack of a vertical power ladder has always been hard for this fandom to grasp. It's just how it is.

Demon Rin

Yeah, I should just give up Shmeckie…
I'd be happy if Scanlators like Franky House at least REALIZED that "Haoshoku Haki" MEANS something and would translate it. EVEN IF IT'S JUST A TRANSLATION NOTE IN THE MARGINS! But no, We don't even get that. 'Haki" is just a new attack as far as everyone is concerned, and it doesn't mean Anything.
The Entire Scene about Luffy having the Ambition of a King didn't mean anything, it was just Luffy getting his Random new Power "Haoshoku Haki", that's the way it has to be...

Captain Shmeckie

Hey, so what if the storyline is lost?! They have a new power to theorize about! And in this fandom, that's all that really matters.

Elastic_Swindler

A couple Google searches with 覇気 brings up all kinds of trash.

http://kyamahonya2.blog98.fc2.com/blog-entry-275.html has basically most of the non-linguistic arguments about haki debated by Japanese people. Yeah, they're just as clueless about it.

Further matches came up with a King of Fighters game video where someone uses a special move kick strengthened with his 覇気. Move was called 覇気キャン or something equally descriptive.

FBIAgentAssigned

This, among their disregard for formatting and font variety are why I don't read FH for OP and FMA.

MagneticMonkey

Leaving "haki" untranslated until we see what it really is is imo a good choice.
We don't know if anyone in the one piece world can access this power. We don't really have a definition of what it is.Y We can only guess and make theories about what it is and about the few scenes that seems to involve this power/technique/foobarthing.

On the other hand using "ambition" to translate make you try to find a way to apply this word in every scene where this power was involved. Translating it can be risky if the definition of it means so much more than just "ambition"…

Elastic_Swindler

When Rayleigh mentioned that he will not use whatever he used to help them escape the slave auction, his untranslated bubble read 「力」 as if it was some extraordinary power or skill.

I can see why people hate this kind of development happening in OP, but I've started to trust in Oda somewhere along the way. I believe that this is his way of twisting the overdone DBZ Ki cliche into something interesting, yet believable and dynamic in storytelling terms.

I highly doubt that the next arc will introduce flying space monkeys with Haki detecting visors. (Other than as a joke)

nexusil

Ambition is a poor translation for haki in this context, sure it's in the dictionary, but the usage of the "ki" in this context would be more aligned with the generic shonen "ki"

I would prefer something like dominating aura or the like. Think of channeling a dominating presence (ha) into a spirit force (ki). I guess spirit would be closer than ambition.

Hiroy

I think it's a matter of standing up to a foes sheer presence with or without falter. Lots of manga use this, but not on the level of OP. For example, a powerful enemy with great tragic history appears in before a hero. The feelings of having such a powerful enitity before the hero would fill him/her with complete fear(short of breathing, lump in throat, etc.). And off course that enemy would have some sort of upper hand, because of the strong intent to defeat or kill the hero, and that cocky motivation that it/he/she will never lose to such an oppenent due to a lenghtly winning streak. Guts facing Zod for the first time for example. Even a few situations where a complete murdersome sadist appears in Naruto.

In OP it's really hard to explian since there are several ways one can use thier abition/haki to get thier way with an oppenent, audience or just a select number of people or person that the beholder has strong feelings towards(hate, disgust, ect). The offset is a strong sense of not being intimidated easilly, whether it's a strong sense of justice, or strong sense of loyalty or just a plain strong sense…

As for the term, I don't really give much to be honest. It just does not come accross to me like an attack since it varies on a character's overall character and how it compares to others. It's more symbolic literiture. At least to me.

Falcore

Wow, seriously? We lost the WHOLE storyline because of one untranslated term? Get real. As if the next statement about only one in a million having this particular haki is not enough to convey how rare and special it is.

And wolfpak makes a very good point. Translating it as "Ambition" is misleading as it implies that only those who are striving to get ahead have this ability. Railegh, at this point, would just like to have an easy and carefree retirement. Not a very ambitious desire.

I don’t really care one way or another if the term is translated but "Ambition" just doesn’t work for me, it’s just too… limited for describing the ability for my taste.

The translation that appeals to me the most so far is "Dominant Will" because that’s what it seems like the people we have seen using Haki are doing. Imposing their current desires/will on their surroundings. Consciously or unconsciously. And if those surrounding fail their will save so to speak, then bad things happen.

Perhaps that is how imbuing Haki into objects works, for that moment in time the user wills the object to behave in a way it shouldn’t, like the collar passing through Caimies neck or the arrows exploding on contact.

Darkstorm

@Captain:

Rin, you're never gonna win, this. You know that, right? They NEED this. Haki lets' them theorize about new powers that come in various shapes and colors. Even if it is all bullshit. Much of this fandom theorizes so much they're a profile page at FF.net away from writing full-on fanfiction. Haki opens more doors for that, AND makes things easier to comprehend (a shonen series with a Ki! I get this now! God, all those varieties of fruit powers was too confusing, but now we have a normal, all-encompasing power! Plus, we can easily rank people now! Whew…).

They NEED this. They're not going to understand it, either. That little Zelda example you gave was pretty much spot on, but no one listened. Why? Pffft, "Ambition" ain't fun to theorize on. You can't classify and color-code "Ambition."

Ubergeeks love to classify shit, that's just how it is. Don't believe me? Look at all the moronic power level lists people keep making for Dragonball post-Freeza. They loooove to classify, arrange, list, etc. Like football nuts and their stat-tracking. Hardcore fans love charts and numbers. With Haki, they can make up some power levels, color code 'em Quicken-style, you name it! They've needed this for awhile. All these Devil Fruit powers were all too damn inventive, and the series' lack of a vertical power ladder has always been hard for this fandom to grasp. It's just how it is.

I fear you're right. That's actually one of the things I like most about One Piece. Croc & Enel could most likely beat Lucci, and their fights with Moria would be very interesting indeed. Things aren't simple with regards to strength.

TLC

@Darkstorm:

I fear you're right. That's actually one of the things I like most about One Piece. Croc & Enel could most likely beat Lucci, and their fights with Moria would be very interesting indeed. Things aren't simple with regards to strength.

Sorry but Lucci could definitely beat Crocodile. Luffy managed to beat Crocodile without gears though barely and he barely managed to beat Lucci with Gears. The power difference is clear as day. It's only the matter of that Logia thing and if Luffy could figure it out, a World Government spy like Lucci who was trained for observation, information gathering and deduction especially on the spot definitely could.

MagneticMonkey

it should be clear that lucci is faster than crocodile. Well if croc manages to touch him he is dead. But that's what everyone facing croc must fear

I mean regarding strength lucci is stronger. But regarding the use of the DF croc is a master.

Elastic_Swindler

The thing about the most exploitable Haki bursts we've seen so far is that they only target cannon fodder that was going to get kicked in the butt anyways.

About powering up punches and weapons - Well, it's a shounen manga…

DarkHamster

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Darkstorm

@Thousand:

Sorry but Lucci could definitely beat Crocodile. Luffy managed to beat Crocodile without gears though barely and he barely managed to beat Lucci with Gears. The power difference is clear as day. It's only the matter of that Logia thing and if Luffy could figure it out, a World Government spy like Lucci who was trained for observation, information gathering and deduction especially on the spot definitely could.

I strongly disagree for a number of reasons. But this thread is hardly the right place to go into them, so I shall leave it for another time. The comparison was only serving as an illustration for my point, after all.

TLC

@Darkstorm:

I strongly disagree for a number of reasons. But this thread is hardly the right place to go into them, so I shall leave it for another time. The comparison was only serving as an illustration for my point, after all.

We could always take it to the Shickibukai strength thread if you want;)

Cream-of-Chicken

A technique, in this case, is more something that must be learned and mastered before one is able to use it. Luffy has used haki twice now, subconsiously and without really knowing what it is or how to use it or, indeed, that he even could, or that it exists, etc. Yes, one can learn to control it and use it at will at any time, like Shanks or Rayleigh, but it is very much use-able without the knowledge of how to control it.

superquotpetquotrobot

Luffy's goal to be king of the pirates = ambition of a king

simple as that.

the manga doesn't take itself that seriously does it? why should you guys

franky builds stairs in the air in thriller bark. chill guys.

gigatech

@super:

franky builds stairs in the air in thriller bark. chill guys.

A guy moving at the speed of light presents bigger problems imo.

fedcom

Well, if Lucci manages to figure out Croc's weakness, I don't see why he couldn't just lick his finger and then shigan him.

Zkaiser

@Stephen's:

Women: What movement! No blow ever lands on Sonia-sama, thanks to her Ambition!

Luffy: What's going on?!
She can read all of my attacks ahead of time!

To say that Oda won't tie Haki to Mantra is pretty unfounded and retarded.

Daisy: It can't be!!
The Ambition of the chosen… that only appears in one of millions!!!

Sandersonia: I've never seen anyone who wielded it... aside from our sister!!

To wield ambition. Like a weapon…?

Hancock: How can he have the same Overlord aspect as me?!
This is no ordinary boy!
But he has no control over it…

To control ambition. Like a technique…?

Sandersonia: But you don't know how to use Ambition.
The same goes for nearly all outsiders… That's why you are so weak.

Again, here she says "use ambition".

Oda was all up in our grills stating that this is a technique/ability that Luffy will learn to control down the line, but yet you guys are saying that it's not. Hachi pretty much said, "They they call what he did 'Ambition.' I don't know too much about it though." Oh wait, he did say that. And what's up with the quotation marks? Does Oda randomly use quotation marks on everyday words in the manga for shits and giggles? That would be cool and all, but I doubt he does.

The only evidence you guys have in defense of your view is your own personal opinions which, to be honest, aren't worth much on the internet.

Edit: Oh yeah. That whole "putting your ambition into a weapon and passing on curses" shit was whack as fuck, step up your left field baseless interpretations. They're slipping into bullshit zone.

Edit 2: Also, "You can't classify and color-code "Ambition." I kinda think Oda did that for us. Maybe it's jst me, but I could've sworn that the amazons, Daisy to be exact, stated Luffy has a unique Power of Ambition, Classified as the Overlord Ambition. IDK, though. Maybe I'm just making things up.

Another thing: Haki hardly allows for anytype of POWERLEVELAN in OP. I have yet to see anyone start grouping bitches up by their "Haki Level."

OMG EDIT: Seriously, to call the Power of Ambition not a power is just plain fucktarded. When bitches start whipping out mantra/tekkai and atribute that to their ambition, that is just plain storytelling of "YO AMBITION IS A POWER UP" They whipped out Mantra and Tekkai. MANTRA AND TEKKAI. Come on… See the light.

Demon Rin

@Zkaiser:

Long Post

In The World of One Piece, a person's very Ambition IS A power. That is what I'm saying. That's what I've always said.
In the One Piece world, one's Ambition has that much weight.
But it's not a "Technique". You can DO techniques that use your Ambition, but nobody ever calls out "HAKI BLAST!!". It's not a Technique in it's own right.
Unlike other things, this actually has a point.
It's not just "LOL RANDOM POWER!" It's the power of one's ambition. That's why Luffy has the "Ambition of a King" and his actual ambition is to Become Pirate King.
There is meaning behind all of this, even if you don't want to admit it. There is a definite meaning behind the fact that, WHATEVER this is, Haki is the Japanese word for "Ambition". Luffy has the "Ambition of a King", and his dream is to become Pirate King. IF THIS IS COINCIDENCE, I AM THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND!! (Hint: I'm American)

Instead of realizing this, We have scanlators who simply think this is "LOL NEW UNTRANSLATABLE POWER".
Shmeckie has convinced me I'll never make a dent elsewhere, but I will say this. Haki NEEDS to be translated. Even if you're not going to translate it in the Bubbles, PUT A FUCKING NOTE IN THE MARGINS!! MY GOD, PUT A FUCKING NOTE THAT TELLS WHAT IT MEANS!!
Luffy doesn't have the Ambition of a King anymore, he has "Haoshoku Haki". There wasn't even a TRANSLATION NOTE IN THE MARGINS!! There wasn't, it was JUST "Haoshoku Haki".
That. Is. Wrong.

Zkaiser

@Demon:

Instead of realizing this, We have scanlators who simply think this is "LOL NEW UNTRANSLATABLE POWER".
Shmeckie has convinced me I'll never make a dent elsewhere, but I will say this. Haki NEEDS to be translated. Even if you're not going to translate it in the Bubbles, PUT A FUCKING NOTE IN THE MARGINS!! MY GOD, PUT A FUCKING NOTE THAT TELLS WHAT IT MEANS!!
Luffy doesn't have the Ambition of a King anymore, he has "Haoshoku Haki". There wasn't even a TRANSLATION NOTE IN THE MARGINS!! There wasn't, it was JUST "Haoshoku Haki".
That. Is. Wrong.

I don't disagree to any of this.

In The World of One Piece, a person's very Ambition IS A power. That is what I'm saying. That's what I've always said.
In the One Piece world, one's Ambition has that much weight.
But it's not a "Technique". You can DO techniques that use your Ambition, but nobody ever calls out "HAKI BLAST!!". It's not a Technique in it's own right.

Okay. I worded it wrong.
To say that the utilization of Haki in any way, shape or form is not a technique is fucktarded. I see what you're doing here. You know what I mean but you are attempting to warp what I'm saying. Having the ability to use your Will Power in order to foresee attacks is a technique. I don't see why you find it so hard to equate Will Power with other shonen cliche power sources. Seriously. It's not that different.

Unlike other things, this actually has a point.
It's not just "LOL RANDOM POWER!" It's the power of one's ambition. That's why Luffy has the "Ambition of a King" and his actual ambition is to Become Pirate King.
There is meaning behind all of this, even if you don't want to admit it. There is a definite meaning behind the fact that, WHATEVER this is, Haki is the Japanese word for "Ambition". Luffy has the "Ambition of a King", and his dream is to become Pirate King. IF THIS IS COINCIDENCE, I AM THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND!! (Hint: I'm American)

It kind of is and kind of isn't a coincidence.

It is in the sense that Luffy of all people who wants to be Pirate king just happens to have the Overlord Ambition.

It isn't in the sense that obviously Oda is tying in the fact of Luffy's dream to the new power he has attained. His ambition to be Pirate king obviously will influence the type of Haki he will have because they are tied to the same source.

Also, Hancock doesn't seem to have the dream of being a queen. It almost seems as if she doesn't give a damn about her job. Why would she have the Overlord Ambition?

Demon Rin

@Zkaiser:

I don't disagree to any of this.

THANK YOU!! FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES!! (Besides Shmeckie, but he's been on my side from the start)
My god people… This NEEDS to be translated, whether you like it or not...

@Zkaiser:

Okay. I worded it wrong.
To say that the utilization of Haki in any way, shape or form is not a technique is fucktarded. I see what you're doing here. You know what I mean but you are attempting to warp what I'm saying. Having the ability to use your Will Power in order to foresee attacks is a technique. I don't see why you find it so hard to equate Will Power with other shonen cliche power sources. Seriously. It's not that different.

It is. You can use your Ambition to attack, or make your weapons Stronger. We don't know how this works at all yet.
This just has more meaning than pretty much anything before it. This actually MEANS something. His Ambition is tied into his Dream.

@Zkaiser:

It kind of is and kind of isn't a coincidence.

It is in the sense that Luffy of all people who wants to be Pirate king just happens to have the Overlord Ambition.

It isn't in the sense that obviously Oda is tying in the fact of Luffy's dream to the new power he has attained. His ambition to be Pirate king obviously will influence the type of Haki he will have because they are tied to the same source.

Of course by "Not a Coincidence" I meant in the writing, not the actual One Piece world.
It's not a Coincidence that Oda called this "Ambition", Luffy's is the "Overlord Ambition" or "[Warring] King's Ambition", and Luffy's ambition is to become Pirate King

@Zkaiser:

Also, Hancock doesn't seem to have the dream of being a queen. It almost seems as if she doesn't give a damn about her job. Why would she have the Overlord Ambition?

It's not her dream because she's already attained it.
Your ambition is your drive to achieve your goals. Her Ambition is strong enough that she rose from being nothing but a slave to being Empress of a nation (Essentially Queen of the Kuja)
Just because she's achieved the goal, doesn't mean her drive has withered, same with Reileigh. He was on the Pirate King's ship. I don't think he has the Overlord Ambition, but his is strong because of his lofty goals and the fact that he had the drive to achieve them. Even if the Goal is accomplished, one's drive doesn't go away.
Saving a Mermaid, or Helping the Straw Hats escape is a goal too.

JulieYBM

Based upon what I've read from Rin and other similar notes…I feel translation depends heavily upon context. For example, in the scan Rin posted I think "Just now...that was the HaouShoku Haki" really should be written as "Just now...that was the ambition--the prescence of the King!" which covers both the two meanings that it was previously discussed as holding, as well as making some damn sense to those of us not fully fluent in Japanese. This Nakama and Haki bull is simply not the message Oda wants his readers getting, I feel.

brennen.exe

Let's be honest, we have absolutely no idea what "Haoshoku Haki" is, let alone what "Haki" is. If we did, the whole world wouldn't be discussing it and Oda wouldn't still be dropping little tidbits on it. Think about it, why would Oda be veeeery slowly bringing this part of the One Piece world into the story if it was as simple as "Haki pretty much means ambition, so he just means ambition." And seriously Rin, what is with your fierce exaggerations and generalizations? Haki Blast??? Seriously? Does anyone even suggest anything remotely similar to this? I sure haven't seen it in this thread.

Zkaiser, I'm surprised to see you back down, honestly. You said Haki is connected to Tekkai, no? Well last time I checked we don't translate Tekkai. Whatever "Haki" is, we know it can be wielded like a weapon and controlled like a technique, right? Kinda like Karate (and Tekkai/Mantra) can be wielded like a weapon and controlled like a technique? I mean, taking it in context, it can. It can obviously be learned to some extent since every single Amazon can use it. It's emphasized with quotes, right? Hatchan referred to it as something he doesn't quite understand and something Rayleigh used, right? Mr. 2 had no idea what he did, right? Oda is still dropping little hints on it, right? If we know all of this how can we, beyond a shadow of a doubt, write it off as "just a word that roughly means ambition"? How can we translate it knowing it is being used in the same way someone would talk about Karate, Rokushiki, Santoryuu, Etc? Demon Rin wants us to believe that when they made that HUGE commotion in chapter 519, when Amazons freaked over this whole 1/1,000,000 talk, when Oda finally had Luffy use the same technique as Rayleigh and Shanks at full power (and in Level 5), and when Haki was finally given something more than just a vague ~~name~~ word, that the entire purpose of the scene was for the Amazons to recognize that Luffy has the ambitions of a king. Literally. Nothing more, nothing less. What? Seriously? If that's the case why is Oda still alluding to it being some ultra secret new thing with scenes like Luffy talking out the wolves?

The question of this thread is, "is it a technique?" Well, all the evidence in the manga suggest that yes, it is. Demon Rin and Shmeckie started off by essentially saying no, it isn't. Now Rin seems to be doubling back a bit to say that it is something you can use to attack, but it isn't a technique and it isn't an attack. However that works. Then she makes up facts from her own view/opinion that whatever power your "ambition" gives you is directly related to your dream, even if that dream is (lol) to "live quietly". It seems like, if anything, the people who "NEED" something are Shmeckie and Rin, and that something is for "Haki" to not be a technique. You are have a hard time explaining it though without making it sound like a technique.

@Demon:

The Idea is that this thing, is that Luffy has "The Ambition of a King", (Haoshoku Haki) and his Ambition is to become "Pirate King".

And I'm sorry, but if it turns out that this was the entire purpose of that scene, I will facepalm until my nose is broken.

MagneticMonkey

@brennen.exe:

The question of this thread is, "is it a technique?" Well, all the evidence in the manga suggest that yes, it is. Demon Rin and Shmeckie started off by essentially saying no, it isn't. Now Rin seems to be doubling back a bit to say that it is something you can use to attack, but it isn't a technique and it isn't an attack. However that works. Then she makes up facts from her own view/opinion that whatever power your "ambition" gives you is directly related to your dream, even if that dream is (lol) to "live quietly". It seems like, if anything, the people who "NEED" something are Shmeckie and Rin, and that something is for "Haki" to not be a technique. You are have a hard time explaining it though without making it sound like a technique.

And I'm sorry, but if it turns out that this was the entire purpose of that scene, I will facepalm until my nose is broken.

If haki is just the ambition of someone it is indeed a little cheap. If it really is that then the weakest man in eastblue can use his ambition to fight a well trained corrupt marine officer who wants to kill his family…

Now my question regarding your post (though i'm not sure if i understand it correctly). Why would "haki" be a technique? Doesn't it make more sense if it is a power source? Some people in the OP world might have so much "will power" that they can use it in techniques? Mantra, blasts (the one which took down lvl5 wolves, motobaro, amazons, the sea king near to luffys island in eastblue and guards at the auction house), enhanced arrows, boas abilities (basically one of them was in fire) and pass through DF protection? aren't different techniques? I mean i can't see a connection between the prediction of attacks and a special punch that can hurt a rubberman like luffy. So my guess is that "haki" is "power, willpower etc..." and that it can be used in many techniques. Or maybe you are suggesting it is a technique that can be combined with other techniques?

We don't know how it is used. Luffy just used it on motobaro. There were no emotions in that scene. But on amazon island he was heavily pissed off by the cheering audience and the boa sisters. He was really pissed off by the lvl5 wolves and yelled at them in a desperate attempt to take them down. Seriously i can't understand (with the last 2 examples) how he knocked out motobaro.
We've seen that luffy never gives up. He is also ready to die in the attempt to do what he thinks is right. That all ties together somehow and i hope for new hints (soon!!!).