First of all, sorry if my comment offended you Kuminator, I'm just getting very frustrated about this animation debate.
I have no problems with Tate or Hosoda, bar their art style that they apply to their episodes (movie in Hosoda's case). Once again, I admit, calling it crap was a harsh mistake, but that was & sadly for some of you, still is my opinion. To be honest, unless someone can convince me how Tate is better than Inoue, I'll dread every Tate Episode until the day One Piece's Anime ends, (also hoping that it isn't animated in Tate's Style)
I think it may have been you, Shinpanman in the Animation thread, who brought up the point on how it was a western view to look at more detail as better over the less detailed Tate, but fact to fact is -
If you've got a major art exam, you put as much detail as possible into the final piece, you don't make it simple. Whether you guys like it, it all comes down to detail, and Inoue has that, others have that, whereas Tate & Hosoda simply do not -
Although the Movie 6 Backgrounds were stunning (However I assume that Hosoda didn't do the backgrounds? Possibly another part of the team specifically for backgrounds)
Also - Shinpanman, please don't say that I'm Aesthetically Challenged in that way, it seems cheeky & I'm a very big fan of your deviant Art, so I don't want to get off to a bad start with you.
That's the thing though, detail does not just come down to how many lines you draw. I do take art classes and when I'm working on a project, I couldn't care less about how much minute detail is. I worry about how to make the piece look thoughtful in terms of composition and the kinds of emotions it may evoke. In art, detail is all in the thought process.
Just as much consideration, if not more, goes into Tate/Hosoda style animation as Inoue type animation because they're very selective about what they should represent and take a stylistic approach that goes beyond mere representation. I think that may be the major problem that you and others have with that style. Most people just want to see the characters shown as directly and three dimensionally as possibly, as if they were real but very strange looking people, maybe a little like dolls or action figures. They're very caught up in this superficial level of appearance, which understandably is common among anime fans. They don't like it when animators recognize these characters as charicatures and play with the styling in artful, evocative ways when they would rather continue believing that the characters live in their own little bubble of reality that is exactly as shown.
Guh, I don't know if I'm articulating my thoughts very well but…it's like this I guess. I hate to bring up the east/west thing again but, there was a study conducted where children from western countries and children from eastern countries were shown a photo of a jungle scene with a tiger. They were asked what they saw in the photo individually and the children from the west generally said "a tiger" whereas the children from the east would generally say "a tiger in the jungle." What this indicates is that here in the west we tend to notice the dominant elements that draw our focus whereas in the east they recognize the environment as a whole - in other words "the bigger picture."
I can't argue that one way of thinking is better than another but you'll find for the most part that the artists who are held in the highest regard are those that play with the idea of image itself and overall tone, take Picasso or Van Gogh to use the most stereotypical examples... The photorealistic type of painter who can just render a pretty detailed portrait or landscape generally goes unnoticed, because frankly, they're a dime a dozen.
Sorry, for the long explanation but I just wanted you to understand my point of view a little more. I'd also like you to know that I can sort of understand where you're coming from too. I can see that Inoue has good solid art with few technical errors and in One Piece, that's quite the blessing considering what we have to deal with normally. Even though I recognize that, his art still irks me in that it deosn't always seem tasteful or appropriate to the subject matter, just as Tate bothers you with the lack of apparent detail. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I believe XMURADX just posted some nice comparison pictures in the animation topic between the manga and Tate's art so you can judge for yourself whether he represents the characters faithfully or not.
(i also take art classes :blink: maybe this is the opinion of the art student? ).
