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I always hear the rumors of how the manga artist behind Rave Master and Fairy Tale used to be Oda's Assistant, which I think is false.
But that does bring up the question as to who are his assistants, if he even has any. Does anyone know, is there any record of these people?:blink:
I think the guy that did Rave Master/ Fairy Tail already stated it…hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong!
I don't think he would blatantly rip him off if he worked as his assistant ever.
Assistants come and go sometimes and are background-types. It'd be difficult to hunt down actual names and such in the english-speaking world.
I always hear the rumors of how the manga artist behind Rave Master and Fairy Tale used to be Oda's Assistant, which I think is false.
But that does bring up the question as to who are his assistants, if he even has any. Does anyone know, is there any record of these people?:blink:
It's nothing more than a rumor.
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Assistants are used to allow the artists to produce 18 art filled pages in the course of the week by helping out with backgrounds, inking, speedlines, tones or whatnot. The number of assistants depends on the creator and how intensive their work is. (Negima has like 8 guys on it, while HunterXHunter has none at all, Toriyama on Dragonball has one assistant for backgrounds.) But usually the main author takes care of all the story stuff and does all the main figurework and color pages.
How this particular rumor persists I don't know. Rave Master premiered like 8 months after One Piece did. Both artists are contemporaries that were influenced by Toriyama and thats why their stuff looks smilar, and if you look at the art along the way in Rave Master you can see the natural evolutions. Same reason the Kishimoto brothers draw exactly the same.
I can only assume this rumor persists due to many people being exposed to Fairy Tail's starting art without seeing the progression of Rave Master. Then they assume because Fairy Tail premiered 2 years ago and One Piece 11 years ago, that Fairy Tail is just ripping off OP, without considering the 6 or 7 years of development in style and storytelling in Rave Master. Aside from some superficial differences (mostly small eyes style) and the main antagonist Natsu being a tradional simple minded free spirit shonen hero (more akin to Goku than Luffy) the series are really pretty dang different.
Oda himself however WAS an assistant on Rurouni Kenshin, and some of those guys went on to also do manga series. Shaman King for instance.
@robbybevard:
How this particular rumor persists I don't know. Rave Master premiered like 8 months after One Piece did.
Actually it premiered on July 1999, two years after OP. One Piece was already huge by then..
I dunno if this story is widely known, but it's curious nonetheless: in a Rurouni Kenshin volume, Watsuki made a brief comment expressing his displease with accusations of art plagiarism made by another Jump author. The brazillian edition had a little note saying it was no one less than Yoshihiro Togashi. Maybe that happens more than we know.
Oda I think mentioned in an SBS he "draws everything that moves". Or it might've been a different mangaka in something else. I can't remember really. But that's the jist of it. The mangaka draws everything "important" and the backgrounds are done by others.
But they'll do generic things like food and explosions and buildings, too. Non-creative sort of things. So it doesn't really mean "this person leanred all he knows from this guy" because they're not like apprentices.
Course, they could help with the story or something, it's hard to tell, but that's not their job.
They talked about assistants a lot in Bakuman…
well as we know, some Manga artist's assistants go on and do manga series of their own.
I.E/ Oda and Hiroyuki Takei(Shaman King), who worked for Nobuhiro Watsuki (Ruroni Kenshin) and in turn, Watsuki once worked as an assistant for his favorite author Takeshi Obata (of Death Note fame).
So If Oda has a Assistant, has that guy done a manga yet, a oneshot atleast. I mean Oda did do Monsters and other oneshots that are found in his Wanted! collection while he was still working for Watsuki.
– Also, Hiro Mashima (Fairy Tale) was also an assistant to Watsuki during Kenshin, so He would of known Oda back then. Though, that doesn't mean he would become his assistant. Like I said, I know Mashima could not be an assistant to Oda. but the question is who, if one exist is and do we have any other work of his?:wassat:
All I have to say is, if the assistants are the ones drawing the backgrounds, Oda has some pretty badass assistants.
Mashima was never an assistant to anyone, that's not a rumor but a myth.
Watsuki and Oda have always been under contract with Shueisha, and Mashima with Kodansha.
The guy who drew "P2! Let's play Pingpong!" in Weekly Jump from 2006-2008, Tatsuma Ejiri, was a former assistant of Oda's, and the only one to get a serial so far afaik
edit: http://activeanime.com/delreyblog/?p=129 here's an article that clears the subject a bit
I remember Oda stated in an interview that he was the assistant of several mangaka in the past, but he was the assistant of Nobuhiro Watsuki for only 1-2 months although he has been the assistant of others for like 1-2 years…
I suppose that Watsuki is the only remaining name because he was the only internationally famous mangaka that Oda worked for.
I don't remember what was this interview...
Actually it premiered on July 1999, two years after OP. One Piece was already huge by then..
I like how he went on with the "highly informed" but inaccurate rant.
Yeah, Rave and Fairy Tail are CLEARLY borrowing from One Piece in style, character design/personality, and even paneling, but that doesn't mean it's bad or without their own merits, dude. Oda-sensei's style was HEAVILY borrowed from Dragonball and Lupin III-esque stuff prior to his assistant-phase.
Ironically, it seems like either he and Hiroyuki Takei influenced each other's style or he adapted a lot of Takei's style touches. Takei was influenced by graffiti and Tezuka, and it's always been my guess that Oda got the cartoony aesthetic idea for One Piece thanks to Takei(he has mentioned Takei as his friendly "rival" in manga creation).
Ohbata, the guy who does Soul Eater, is borrowing a lot from the OP-style, too. Thanks to OP, it's a popular trend to use simpler, more stylish cartoony-looking art as opposed to the grittiness, realism, and muscleheads from late 80's/early 90s shonen manga. Noone feels like Mashima is a THIEF or anything for borrowing from Oda. Well…they don't except for those times when he's reaaaally walking the line. FT wouldn't do as well as it does if it weren't interesting in its own right.
Togashi seems to borrow HEAVILY from whatever the most popular series are and just carves out his own niche by making everybody BISHIES. I mean, Yuyu Hakusho is EXTREMELY similar to Dragonball and Slam Dunk to the point that attacks, characters, and plotlines seem copy and pasted, but as long as you're adding some personal flair to it, it's not a big deal. When something is TOO derivative of another series it gets rejected by editors anyway(Happened to the original pitch for Bleach).
FTR, assisstants jobs depend on the specific manga-ka, but like everyone already mentioned, they usually just help out with inking speed-lines and backgrounds. They pretty much never touch the characters and sometimes aren't allowed to do anything besides help ink backgrounds and tone or letter. They usually never influence story aside from maybe a sounding board from what I gathered in Jump interviews.
Also authors tend to draw backgrounds and stuff, too most of the time or atleast SOME. It seems like the creator only lets assistants jump into draw stuff when they're behind deadline or it's especially overwhelming to finish drawing and inking everything by the deadline.
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
@Ao:
Ohbata, the guy who does Soul Eater, is borrowing a lot from the OP-style, too. Thanks to OP, it's a popular trend to use simpler, more stylish cartoony-looking art as opposed to the grittiness, realism, and muscleheads from late 80's/early 90s shonen manga. Noone feels like Mashima is a THIEF or anything for borrowing from Oda. Well…they don't except for those times when he's reaaaally walking the line. FT wouldn't do as well as it does if it weren't interesting in its own right.
Togashi seems to borrow HEAVILY from whatever the most popular series are and just carves out his own niche by making everybody BISHIES. I mean, Yuyu Hakusho is EXTREMELY similar to Dragonball and Slam Dunk to the point that attacks, characters, and plotlines seem copy and pasted, but as long as you're adding some personal flair to it, it's not a big deal. When something is TOO derivative of another series it gets rejected by editors anyway(Happened to the original pitch for Bleach).
This isn't even a little true. Ohkubo, creator of Soul Eater, has a style unlike anyone in manga right now. Take a look at the layouts, character designs, etc. Stylistically, it's nothing like One Piece. As for Togashi, Slam Dunk and Yu Yu Hakusho started in the same year. His character designs, plotline, and story (see Hunter x Hunter) are completely different from other shonen series (considering they draw from real life, with this latest arc). The only ones you could argue are similar are Meryem (the chimera and king) to Cell and Knuckle to his former character Kuwabara.
Crap, who cares about copying drawing anyway? as long as the story is awesome it's all that I need.
Crap, who cares about copying drawing anyway? as long as the story is awesome it's all that I need.
then go grab a fantasy novel, i highly recommend David Gemmell.
artists care about people copying their art… and the fans that support those artists do as well. that's just natural
Haven't Got a clue, but God, I wish Inoue was one of 'Em !
then go grab a fantasy novel, i highly recommend David Gemmell.
artists care about people copying their art… and the fans that support those artists do as well. that's just natural
wow you're dumb seriously, "drawing" all mangaka started by copying others arts and the cycle just go on and on.
"May The Haki Be With You…."
His character designs, plotline, and story (see Hunter x Hunter) are completely different from other shonen series (considering they draw from real life, with this latest arc).
Really? Because this sounds like pure fanaticism to me. There've been art styles like Togashi's before and after him and storylines that were similar.
Admittedly I havent read a ton of Soul Eater, but from what I've seen from the pages people post constantly on my LJ of the latest arc–it's not breaking ground. The art only gets decent later in the game for one thing and all the panels I saw were pretty standard stuff.
I think Kubo and Kishi is one of them…:)
hiro mashima was never an assistant for oda, in fact he was never assistant he started his own manga right away as one of the youngest in buiss.
and according to german wiki the similarity of their drawing styles is based on a simple factor: they both were fans of dragon balls and Akira Toriyama.
wow you're dumb seriously, "drawing" all mangaka started by copying others arts and the cycle just go on and on.
You have no idea what that phrase means do you, "all artists copy".
wow you're dumb seriously, "drawing" all mangaka started by copying others arts and the cycle just go on and on.
Actually, latter half of artists derive from inspiration, not copying. Most people who can't draw start of copying and those who can, copying is an extremely big deal in. The main bad types of artists are mostly tracers who can't create their own style.
@robbybevard:
…(Negima has like 8 guys on it....)
To me, I find that sad considering this is Ken Akamatsu and Negima If that is true. The art is good, but the character poses are very blah and the style very generic.
I mean, seriously, 8 assistants and you come up with this (That picture isn't exactly that detailed for a cliffhanger)? Ken Akamatsu could go all out with line shading like how Oda and the latter 3/4's of shonen artists are shading considering that he has 8 (if he does) assistants.
I'm guessing Oda has about 0 to 3 assistants to help him with backgrounds. But I love to tell myself that Oda does everything by himself and that I remember there were pictures of his work station and it only had one desk for him or something but also he mentioned he needed to get a coffee machine for something in an SBS. Does anyone have pictures of Oda's workspace?
>PS: Click picture to begin adventure in a hard-boiled manner.
There are some old pictures from a few years ago. He had some assistance doing a colorspread. I'm sure he has some for inking at times too, as the linework is very different now than how it used to be.
Actually, latter half of artists derive from inspiration, not copying. Most people who can't draw start of copying and those who can, copying is an extremely big deal in. The main bad types of artists are mostly tracers who can't create their own style.
To me, I find that sad considering this is Ken Akamatsu and Negima If that is true. The art is good, but the character poses are very blah and the style very generic.
I mean, seriously, 8 assistants and you come up with this (That picture isn't exactly that detailed for a cliffhanger)? Ken Akamatsu could go all out with line shading like how Oda and the latter 3/4's of shonen artists are shading considering that he has 8 (if he does) assistants.I'm guessing Oda has about 0 to 3 assistants to help him with backgrounds. But I love to tell myself that Oda does everything by himself and that I remember there were pictures of his work station and it only had one desk for him or something but also he mentioned he needed to get a coffee machine for something in an SBS. Does anyone have pictures of Oda's workspace?
I understand what Raider means by "inspiration". As an Artist myself, when I first began drawing anime/manga like art, I was very big into Akira Toriyama's Dragonball Z series, and because of that alot of my early art and comics I drew back in High school look like DBZ characters. I wasn't ripping them off, but it just came out like that.
As you can see my art, doesn't look like Toriyama's stuff anymore, http://cabtoonist.deviantart.com/art/Tashia-in-color-113410223
Oda does have at least one assistant. The 10th Anniversary book has a picture of him and a small mini-comic of life working with Odacchi.
^nice work surreptitiously plugging your art there. lol
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
@Ao:
^nice work surreptitiously plugging your art there. lol
yaa i thought that was pretty sly … it looks like toriyama though lol
Oda does have at least one assistant. The 10th Anniversary book has a picture of him and a small mini-comic of life working with Odacchi.
So I open my copy of the One Piece 10TH Treasure- Anniversary book and sure enough there was that comic that had Oda's assistant, its like 5 pages of stuff though since I can't read Japanese very well I don't know what it talks about.
Anyone has those pages translated anywhere?
So Oda Has one assistant? That's still impressive considering the art he does than Akamatsu.
Cab, could you post pictures of the comic by the assistant???
Edit:Nvm, I found a raw download. Looks like he has 1-5 assistants.
@EvilGamerX:
what does this bitch think..:blink:
terror on odas cell phone..no, she had his number but didn`t ask him important stuff like,what will happen at the WAAAARRR!!! ???
she should rot in prison :happy:
poor oda thats why he has to take a break…always should shit which disturbs him...how could he concentrate on his work:-O
So, to summarize this thread, every cartoon-like manga copied from manga-god Akira Toriyama.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery ^^
In Oda we trust.
In Oda We Trust
You never heard about Osamu Tezuka, right? If wasn't for him maybe mangas today would simply have the design of He-Man, and don't forget Shotaro Ishinomori that did 700 mangas in his life… Toriyama = God? HAHAHAHA!
Also, Hokuto no Ken is way more important for the "modern" shounen than Dragon Ball, since it came in 1983, before Dragon Ball.
@EvilGamerX:
Wow, the wife was 72 years old? If the husband is about as old, it's no wonder why he was dismissed.
@Geo:
So, to summarize this thread, every cartoon-like manga copied from manga-god Akira Toriyama.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery ^^
To persay, it isn't copying. Copying is a form of flattery but copying means tending to make something the same. Oda's Art in his early days were more realistic in a sense like in WANTED! than Akira Toriyama's which has a more chubbier appearance and the characters don't seem to have pointy chins.
When copying, there wouldn't be any distinct traits on a character to tell the difference between the original drawer and that is copying it. Like comparing e1n and Oda. His style is easy to distinguish between Oda's.
So yeah, copied isn't the right word when it boils down to manga's with cartoon like styles.
Wow, the wife was 72 years old? If the husband is about as old, it's no wonder why he was dismissed.
pretty sure you misread it there, champ
Wow, the wife was 72 years old? If the husband is about as old, it's no wonder why he was dismissed.
And I thought I was dyslexic.
Also, Hokuto no Ken is way more important for the "modern" shounen than Dragon Ball, since it came in 1983, before Dragon Ball.
And Kinnikuman predates FotNS, if you think "BEING ABOUT COMBAT" is what Dragonball's influence is you really have no idea what your talking about.
Unless we're talking stuff like JoJo, Dragonball is by far the more seminal shonen series.
@Ao:
I like how he went on with the "highly informed" but inaccurate rant.
Yeah, Rave and Fairy Tail are CLEARLY borrowing from One Piece in style, character design/personality, and even paneling, but that doesn't mean it's bad or without their own merits, dude. Oda-sensei's style was HEAVILY borrowed from Dragonball and Lupin III-esque stuff prior to his assistant-phase.Ironically, it seems like either he and Hiroyuki Takei influenced each other's style or he adapted a lot of Takei's style touches. Takei was influenced by graffiti and Tezuka, and it's always been my guess that Oda got the cartoony aesthetic idea for One Piece thanks to Takei(he has mentioned Takei as his friendly "rival" in manga creation).
Ohbata, the guy who does Soul Eater, is borrowing a lot from the OP-style, too. Thanks to OP, it's a popular trend to use simpler, more stylish cartoony-looking art as opposed to the grittiness, realism, and muscleheads from late 80's/early 90s shonen manga. Noone feels like Mashima is a THIEF or anything for borrowing from Oda. Well…they don't except for those times when he's reaaaally walking the line. FT wouldn't do as well as it does if it weren't interesting in its own right.
Togashi seems to borrow HEAVILY from whatever the most popular series are and just carves out his own niche by making everybody BISHIES. I mean, Yuyu Hakusho is EXTREMELY similar to Dragonball and Slam Dunk to the point that attacks, characters, and plotlines seem copy and pasted, but as long as you're adding some personal flair to it, it's not a big deal. When something is TOO derivative of another series it gets rejected by editors anyway(Happened to the original pitch for Bleach).
FTR, assisstants jobs depend on the specific manga-ka, but like everyone already mentioned, they usually just help out with inking speed-lines and backgrounds. They pretty much never touch the characters and sometimes aren't allowed to do anything besides help ink backgrounds and tone or letter. They usually never influence story aside from maybe a sounding board from what I gathered in Jump interviews.
Also authors tend to draw backgrounds and stuff, too most of the time or atleast SOME. It seems like the creator only lets assistants jump into draw stuff when they're behind deadline or it's especially overwhelming to finish drawing and inking everything by the deadline.
Some one plz explain to me how One Piece is anything like DBZ. Other than the black hair I don't see the similarities. My roommate was annoying me when I told him that someone on this forum had the nerve to say gear 2 was like kaoi ken and he was like oh yea!
I will say that Luffy's black hair is similar too DBZ but he's like the only guy with that hair. Boa hancock does remind me of chi chi. And gear second is like kaio ken. Other than that One Piece is way different. Luffy is nothing like Goku and in comparison is way, way eviler. Goku is stupid ignorant Luffy is just stupid, stupid. Theirs no krillin which IMO is the biggest piece of DBZ.
I don't know about Lupin though I never read it. Though from the anime the only similarity is their outlaw lifestyles and behavior.
this is a bad thread
He got really, really bored.
As the son of an artist, it's not really taking anothers art for themselves. It's mainly influence. The only way you can steal the work from another artist or "copy" is by making a literal copy+paste of their chr. If someone took luffy and switched the color scheme and put a different story, that's making a copy. If someone makes a compleatly different looking chr, with simular attributes, that's influence.
It's Influence! Believe it!
Hiro's storylines are much more simplistic than Oda's IMO.
Hiro uses fodder characters to death >>
Franky is feeling extra SUUPPPPAAAA!
Hiro's storylines are much more simplistic than Oda's IMO.
Hiro uses fodder characters to death >>
Who are mostly bishies .
It all sounds like a professional kitchen. You have the chef that is responsible for everything, and the cooks that do all the prepping and cleaning up. As soon as the cooks level up their mad skillz enough, they go out to start their own dynasty. Their professional ability is founded upon the skills they learned from other masters. That could be called plagiarism, but I'd call it the natural course of action.
If your aim is to be a published Mangaka and you can work under Oda Eiichiro I think that you would gladly, even with all the skill in the world. You don't get that kind of visit card around every corner.
How many assistants does Oda have? I would imagine a fair few. And like someone said earlier if it's the assistants who do the backgrounds they'r awesome.
How many assistants does Oda have? I would imagine a fair few. And like someone said earlier if it's the assistants who do the backgrounds they'r awesome.
http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=606726&postcount=469
Four. He also says this is one of the earliest SBSs. Quite the average number. Off the top of my head, I recall Oh!Great currently hires eight (used to be less), Negima's Akamatsu has a lot too, Kishimoto always worked with 4, Miura works with five in his Studio Gaga, Araki also has his personal studio named Lucky Land Comunnications, Tite Kubo needs three, Takehiko Inoue has a team which ranges from 7 to 13 members, Togashi is hardcore and has none.
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