OK, I don't see how people could follow the story this long yet not realize the pattern with theme-based users here**.**
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Chapter 536 "Freezing Hell" Discussion
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Yeah, I wouldn't underestimate the usefulness of Buggy and Mr. 3. If Luffy, Mr.2, Mr. 3 and Buggy had fought Megellan together in an area where Mr. 3's wax did not melt, they probably would have beaten Megellan. Just a guess, given that Mr. 3 could have given Luffy wax hammers to shiled his fists and perhaps even his foot for kicks + Buggy just throwing muggy balls around + Mr. 2 could throw in some punches/kicks of his own using Mr. 3's wax to coat his fists and legs as well.
Mr. 3 and Buggy are resourceful and still dangersou foes, I just think Hannayable is incredibley strong. Just get the vibe that Hannayable is equal to Megellan in strength or pretty darn close. If he's ambitious enough to want to take over, he must consider himself powerful enough.
We'll see what happens
nice idea, considering the fact that, mr.3's ability was weak in hot places, it might be stronger in cold areas (maybe chainbreaking hardness). and of course coating too.
on the other hand i don't like the idea of making this arc into a "haki perfecting" one, as many suggested. it would be just too early since it's only half way through grand line right now. also it would fit luffy to never learn to use it on purpose.
personally i'd like to see luffy going out of this fightless, just some escape like at the end of ennies lobby. it's just not the time to fight the big guys yet. rather let wightbeard and shanks play with the WG.
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I think the key might be fighting Magellan in Level 5. I'm not exactly sure how the wax fruit works, but I'd think if he can't use it when it's too hot, it might be even stronger when it's cold. After it hardens it'll get even stronger because it's like a block of ice.
Too bad Magellan's out of commission and the only fights were bound to get are some more Demon Guard fights.
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but if he doesn't fight the strong guys he won't get stronger. . .
I mean, he fought Crocodile, Moria, Sentamarou, Luccy and because of them he got stronger. He needs stronger foes to create new moves. It doesn't nescesarilly need to be mastering of haki yet but it can be something that shows beginning signs of him getting the general idea and of course as above described a collaboration between mr 3, mr 2, buggy and Luffy which could do the trick but my guess is Luffy is still the one defeating or severly hurting Magellan. Ace and Jinbei might be of some great help as well of course and perhaps even some lvl 5 prisoners. . .
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but if he doesn't fight the strong guys he won't get stronger. . .
I mean, he fought Crocodile, Moria, Sentamarou, Luccy and because of them he got stronger. He needs stronger foes to create new moves. It doesn't nescesarilly need to be mastering of haki yet but it can be something that shows beginning signs of him getting the general idea and of course as above described a collaboration between mr 3, mr 2, buggy and Luffy which could do the trick but my guess is Luffy is still the one defeating or severly hurting Magellan. Ace and Jinbei might be of some great help as well of course and perhaps even some lvl 5 prisoners. . .
Luffy will probably get his fight but I doubt it will be with the big boys. Despite how strong he is or how he's overcome the odds before, the fact is the upcoming war is going to be centered about the "World Powers" of the One Piece world. Luffy and the others will probably get their fights yet their fights will pale in comparison to the Shichibukai, WG, WB fights.
On the topic of Magellan, he still doesn't seem like a major villain, so I agree Luffy will probably be the one to defeat him.
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We can only speculate on why Buggy seems weaker than how strong he should be. Maybe he used to make his Buggy Balls out of a certain powder only found in the New World and his Muggy Balls are an intermediate step toward that.
Remember, they're in Impel Down, the world's most impenetrable/inescapable prison and Buggy GOT OUT. Even if he wasn't in the bottom level, escape from that still says a lot about a 15M berry pirate from East Blue, the weakest of the blue seas.
Why he seems weaker then he should be? What does that mean? He's as strong or weak as he actually is. Being on Gold Roger's crew is a good accomplishment, but Buggy was far from the only man on that crew. Considering he was also a kid, it's not tough to imagine that he and even Shanks were protected a little. The theories that he held back against Luffy way back then hold no ground now.
As for Impel Down, I believe there's been some confusion as to whether or not Buggy has a devil fruit. Even without that, he escaped on a cell in level 1. Buggy isn't quite mediocre, but it should be plain to see what level he's at. He's weaker then a Demon guard beast, Mr. 2, and a few other guys who are far from the top.
And that's what makes Buggy so interesting! He's a scoundrel hanging out with men who could easily crush him. An Usopp-ish kind of guy. It is possible that he'll gain some new tools (btw, if he make his Buggy Balls out of New World material he'd be long out of it by now), and it's possible that a haki powerup won't just be limited to Luffy(though king's haki? I'd guess Buggy would have something different since he doesn't want to be pirate king). It's possible that Buggy can find a way to keep going.
Yet, without a power up Buggy's role in the series will be limited to two things. First, he says in the story as a Team Rocket type of villain–a schemer that's too weak to serve as a threat. In this role I can imagine him using his connections to Shanks or Gold Roger as some plot device. Yet, I really don't want to see this role, as it's pretty demeaning. The second option is...death. Or rather, removal from the series, causing Buggy and his crew to go somewhere else. But, since you can't go backwards in the Grandline, I'm not sure about this.
But mostly, my point in all this is that a major speculation about Buggy has been disproven--his rivalry to Luffy. This arc has gone to great means to time and time again show Luffy is the greater fighter...and that surprises me considering Luffy in the sole reason he's on the Grandline. After this arc there's no way Buggy chasing Luffy can be seen as a threat, so what next? I wonder.
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I thought his ability allows him to copy the clothes too.. Though I never really saw him do that before..
Wouldn't Bentham be back in his prisoners cloths when he turns back to normal instead of remaining half naked with Hannyabals cloths?
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^To tell you the truth, I really never cared about his clothes.. But thanks for pointing out..
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i think buggy will either join luffy's crew after this arc or this will be his last major role in an arc. we might see him in a cover story later on but that will probably be it. i personally think captain john's treasure is in the new world and that will give buggy an excuse to head there. hopefully as part of luffy's crew. buggy would be nice to have in the crew as he would compete with nami over treasure.
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OK, I don't see how people could follow the story this long yet not realize the pattern with theme-based users here.
Any Devil Fruit that follows a theme has a weakness associated with it. So "improvement" is not a factor, it's just a matter of swapping strategies.
Magellan is the same as any other theme users in the past, like Croc or Ener. Like in those cases, Luffy didn't try anything new after seeing Magellan's power, he simply used his old techniques and fighting formula.
THIS IS A NECESSARY LUFFY FLAW. Luffy isn't the kind of character to be intimidated by reputation or condemnation, he has to see strength to understand how he measures up. Simply telling him "you'll be like an ant in a hurricane" isn't good enough. You could consider it naiivety, determination or perhaps a tad of arrogance - whatever the case, Luffy didn't treat Magellan any differently from the other grunts in ID, and that was why he lost.
You should have quoted more of my post…
I was trying to say that it becomes redundant that since shabondy luffy was constantly raped. And it would be really interesting now that we are seeing a little more about his haki bursts (which suggest to me that we are close to a first step for luffy in understanding how it works) to see a power up which will helps him a lot. Seriously do you think that it would be good if luffy just finds the weakness of Magellans DF uses it and just goes ou tof ID without learning anything? Why are the Shs scattered? Yes because if they would have continued their journey (with the great dreams they have) they would have been killed... That's what i got from the story.One example of this was that luffy discovered crocs and enels DF weakness. Yes that was great? But what did it mean for him? He was able to stop them. But he didn't improved which led to his defeat at water seven. At this point he needed new techniques which is why he invented the gears. Aokiji + lucci was enough for him to understand that he needs something new to protect his crew and his dreams. Now sentomarou + Kizaru was also enough for him to understand that he needs to get stronger (see him trying to go back to shabonfy on his hands).
I really know that each DF has its weakness but here it isn't (imo) relevant to find that weakness but to explore that mysterious power "haki" which seems promising and which would be really important for luffy and his dream since some top tier pirates seem to know a lot about it (and they also seem to use it).
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i think buggy will either join luffy's crew after this arc or this will be his last major role in an arc. we might see him in a cover story later on but that will probably be it. i personally think captain john's treasure is in the new world and that will give buggy an excuse to head there. hopefully as part of luffy's crew. buggy would be nice to have in the crew as he would compete with nami over treasure.
buggy and mr.2 always ran away instead of helping luffy …
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i think buggy will either join luffy's crew after this arc or this will be his last major role in an arc. we might see him in a cover story later on but that will probably be it. i personally think captain john's treasure is in the new world and that will give buggy an excuse to head there. hopefully as part of luffy's crew. buggy would be nice to have in the crew as he would compete with nami over treasure.
I actually posted my speculation in the next nakama section on the possibility of Buggy joining the crew, but temporarily only (similar to Vivi's case).. Back at Ch 525, his crew said that "Until we find the Treasure Island of Captain John… we'll never stop following Captain Buggy." IMO, this statement suggests that Buggy's crew will still pursue that island. It is probably in the NW.
Now, after this arc, Buggy will probably escape too (I can't imagine anyone who helped Luffy not be able to escape this time) but he got no crew to rely on this time. So I guess he will convince Luffy to let him ride the Sunny until he catches his crew in the NW.
And come on, C John has been said quite many times already in the manga.. Do you think Oda will not make an arc dedicated to that? Obvioulsy he'll make. And Buggy is the only character that is most attached to that treasure. So this is not end yet for Buggy. At least not in the current arc.
Trafalgar Law for Straw Hats!!
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Btw, the more I think about freedoms idea the more I like it. Corrupt prison personel isn't a popular plot device in prison themes so it could really make sense as a possible explenation here.
Yeah, I really like this theory as well, I think it fits well into the story so far. For multiple reasons too. I saw someone stating that Bentham (Mr. 2) probably defeated Hannyabal, but this doesn't logically add up.
Hannyabal is supposedly capable of entering Level 5 on his own, half-naked and weaponless. And I don't think it's a stretch to image that the crazy x-mas wolves would attack anything that moves around in Level 5. Therefore, since Bentham was unable to defeat them himself, it's logical to assume that Hannyabal is capable of dealing with them. I think this also adds evidence to my theory, plus I'd just like to have called something for once. hahaha!
So, crazy theory time:
The reason Hannyabal goes to level 5 alone, and is naked is because he is the Okama queen. And yes he is that damn powerful, and yes he is also for some okama reason a master of disguises like Bentham.
It's also the reason behind the conspiracy of why he helps BenthamI really like this theory, but I think there are some flaws in it though. Without an ability like Bentham's, I think this kind of dual portrayal is next to impossible to pull off.
Remember, they're in Impel Down, the world's most impenetrable/inescapable prison and Buggy GOT OUT. Even if he wasn't in the bottom level, escape from that still says a lot about a 15M berry pirate from East Blue, the weakest of the blue seas.
While I really want it to be the case that Buggy escaped on his own accord, whether or not he escaped on his own doesn't matter. The truth is, without Luffy, Buggy would have been recaptured quickly effectively and promptly.
I personally don't think that because Buggy was on Roger's crew that automatically makes him this hidden power-house. Of course, this isn't to say that Buggy is very resourceful and competent, but from my understanding of storytelling, Oda has made it clear where Buggy's limits are. Just my take on things.
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
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Yeah, I really like this theory as well, I think it fits well into the story so far. For multiple reasons too. I saw someone stating that Bentham (Mr. 2) probably defeated Hannyabal, but this doesn't logically add up.
Hannyabal is supposedly capable of entering Level 5 on his own, half-naked and weaponless. And I don't think it's a stretch to image that the crazy x-mas wolves would attack anything that moves around in Level 5. Therefore, since Bentham was unable to defeat them himself, it's logical to assume that Hannyabal is capable of dealing with them. I think this also adds evidence to my theory, plus I'd just like to have called something for once. hahaha!
I agree. Also it is not far fetched to assume that Hannyabal made the same offer to Bentham he did before to Buggy and Galdino. If that would be the case then Bentham could either have acted as the other two before or he could have taken that offer. In that case knocking out the persnes is a must have because otherwise there would be too much witnesses for what really happened and then the one to blame wouldn't be Magellan but Hannyabal himself.
If all these things really come together then Hannyabal must have commanded his minions to attack Bentham knowing that they would be defeated easily. The only question is, how would Hannyabal and Bentham come to an accord while the jailors are still consious?
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@Zik:
Don't marklar his marklar, Marklar. OP's marklar is always marklar marklar with marklars marklar.
Indeed very marklar.
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Maybe Bentham transformed into a sexy girl and enticed Hannyabbal to have sex with him during a brief moment while Luffy and Magellan are fighting.. Hannyabal, overwhelmed by his uncontrollable desire, quickly agreed.. They went to a nearby room and Hannyabal took his clothes off but Bentham did something awful to knock Hannyabal out. Then that explains how he was able to copy Hannyabal's face and wear his clothes too.
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This could become really dangerous now. Just think how long luffy takes a nap after a fight, i can imagine that when he awakes, there will be just 2 to 5 hours time until ace's execution and I hope luffy got the idea of haki…
i hope croc gets to know, that luffy is coming:D this could get really funny XD
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Has anybody notice that we already seen lv.5, but still no supernova, not even a single one. Where are they anyway?did thay manage to escape from borsalino?all of them?
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Has anybody notice that we already seen lv.5, but still no supernova, not even a single one. Where are they anyway?did thay manage to escape from borsalino?all of them?
man….there;s so many things that need's answer.http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/523/11/ i think their documents are not yet processed because the marines are focused on the upcoming war. Probably, their locked up somewhere but not in ID.
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I bet God is going to make a solid twist next chapter that will almost be as epic as Dragon in RougeTown.
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What is going on upstairs?
Did Ace just say he's on the 6th floor?
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Has anybody notice that we already seen lv.5, but still no supernova, not even a single one. Where are they anyway?did thay manage to escape from borsalino?all of them?
man….there;s so many things that need's answer.Does no one wants to accept the possibility that the other Novae got away?
Kizaru was mainly after Luffy, Kid and Law. Yeah, he rampaged and captured 500+ pirates, but why did he rage? Most likely because all of his initial targets escaped. That means no Kidd or Law in Impel Down.Kizaru's fight versus Luffy and friends probably lasted long enough for Apoo, Drake, Urouge and Hawkins to escape. Remember, they have crews to help them. So, none of them in ID.
Finally, Bege and Bonney were on their way out once the shit hit the fan. There's no way that they were caught.
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Did Ace just say he's on the 6th floor?
This was back when Luffy was on LEVEL 4 though. He could be anywhere below LEVEL 4.
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@Mister:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/523/11/ i think their documents are not yet processed because the marines are focused on the upcoming war. Probably, their locked up somewhere but not in ID.
good one mate, thanks
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I'm feeling rage right now.
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So are you people suggesting the WG does not even know Haki exists? I'm sure Ace uses haki… I noticed that when Hancock told Ace about his brother.. Jimbei, who is beside Ace was not able "hear" what Hancock is saying? The only explanation I can see is that Hancock used haki in conversing with Ace.. Otherwise, Jimbei wouldn't have a problem hearing what Hancock told..
That's plainly stupid. She had to talk quietly because Magellan, Hannibal and other guards were near.
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Has anybody notice that we already seen lv.5, but still no supernova, not even a single one. Where are they anyway?did thay manage to escape from borsalino?all of them?
So? We've seen something like a dozen of prisoners on Level 5. Surely that's not the entire guys that are held on one entire level. If they are really there, then they will appear at some point. Plus it would be overkill to show them all at once now. The plot is good as it is now with Iva alone.
Also Bentham just gave some prisoners the key to escape. Perhaps those guys will free others in order to have a bigger chance of escaping. That way some of the rookies could be introduced to the plot. Furthermore lets not forget that Buggy and Galdino are running around somewhere. They already freed Bentham a couple of chapters ago so why shouldn't they do the same again on this level if it gives them a better chance of surviving/escape?
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I am not saying that the history will be lame.
We have seen the word "miracle" a few times in this arc, first from Jimbei and in the last chapter from Bentham/Bon Kurei and a miracle isn´t Luffy learning to use Haki and kicking Magellan ass like Goku did against Piccolo after Karin healed him.
A miracle is something unexpected in a situation that cannot go more worse than it is and changes the direction of the events, something like Nightmare Luffy but more emotional, I believe that Oda accelerated Thriller Bark with the "Nightmare Luffy" card and a lot of ideas from it were scrapped for being used in a later arc like this.
This is only my point of view nothing more than this.
So you take the word miracle literraly? I mean what would luffys DF power appear to be to someone in a random village in east blue who is knowing near to nothing about it? Magic? Then would you say that DF are lame since they are magic stuff just helping in situation where luffy would have no way to escape?
Mr.2 never met ivan. Mr.2 heard of him as a legendary okama who can make miracles. Fact is, there is an explanation to anything. OP isn't DBZ or Kenshiro. We haven't seen what Ivan can do and how he does it. Maybe he will explain it. Maybe those abilities of Ivan will be awesome but not miracles as legends explain it. I don't get why you are so pessimistic about something that we don't really know and something Oda hasn't explained yet. But i't your opinion and… well let's drop it.There's a difference between top 1% and top .00001%, I reckon.
Remember, just because Bon and the other Baroque Works guys were introduced earlier in the series does not mean they were weak in the grand scheme of things. It's not uncommon for characters in shounen to take on the most powerful characters in the series early on - sometimes winning, sometimes losing. In YGO Kaiba was the best duelist in the world, and Yugi beat him in the first episode. In YYH Yusuke took on the Saint Beasts immediately after his Genkai training, and the Saint Beasts were considered legendary strong in that world. In DB Goku beat that King Chappa (?) guy in an elimination round like he was nothing and he was a former WMA Tournament champion.
Just because Bon isn't in the top .00001% of fighters doesn't mean he's not strong. This is a problem in shounen where once people get to that top 1%, it's a logarithmic grind to top .1, .01, .001% etc.
It's may not be uncommon in your examples and if i understand it correctly you are saying that every guy luffy has fought till now is strong thus buggy is also strong yes? And compared to the strength of the new world? Mr.2 and the rest are nothing
Moria (who is much more stronger than Mr.2) was destroyed by Kaidou. I don't get how you can state that the enemies luffy fought till now are belonging in the top 1% category? We haven't seen anything from the NW. The yonkous, the other silver medallists… Croc is much more stronger than Mr.2. There are enough silver medalist out there to consider that top 1% is not the proper category to put Mr.2 in.I for one thing that Buggy has never shown his real strength before and won't have to undergo some kind of "training".
I mean for crying out loud…he was a member of the Roger Pirates and fought Whitebeard's men at one point. Even if Buggy : Roger :: Usopp :: Luffy, Usopp is still far stronger than your 'average top-tier GL pirate' and considering how far Roger is at this point above Luffy, Buggy is really strong.
I think Oda didn't intend in the very beginning for Buggy to be a Roger Pirate but after confirming him as one he likely has a good explanation for why Buggy doesn't seem equal to Shanks in strength.
It could be something latent, like "Buggy has the power of a GL-class pirate, but hasn't used it properly because he hasn't found a cause worth risking his life for".
Personally I think he has Royal Ambition like Luffy...Being a member of rogers ship doesn't make you super strong… I mean if buggy is limited to the power he actually has, there is no way he would have become stronger over the years. I don't think that Roger choose only great warriors. What if they joined the crew near to the end of Rogers adventures? What if buggy had the potential to become a strong fighter and wasted it?
Being a member of that crew will allow buggy to see the strongest fighters in the world. But it doesn't mean he would fight them? He was a kid back then. He never (from the facts we have) displayed Shanks will power. And with what he displayed so far and how he fights his enemies, he hasn't the qualities to such a strong haki as Shanks or luffy. It might be possible for him to have haki but king haki which seems really rare? I highly doubt it. We have seen more of him than hancock (where we still need informations on how she uses it). We know exactly that he is relying on his sneaky attacks (imo too much) to take down someone.
Yes king haki might be an ability you just get, and random people can also have it. But the one we know who had it were never scarred of dangerous/difficult situations like buggy.And that's what makes Buggy so interesting! He's a scoundrel hanging out with men who could easily crush him. An Usopp-ish kind of guy. It is possible that he'll gain some new tools (btw, if he make his Buggy Balls out of New World material he'd be long out of it by now), and it's possible that a haki powerup won't just be limited to Luffy(though king's haki? I'd guess Buggy would have something different since he doesn't want to be pirate king). It's possible that Buggy can find a way to keep going.
While i agree with most of your post i wanted to add that a haki power up isn't something you win like in a video game where you can gain abilities after defeating the big boss… I mean buggy hasn't display anything related to haki yet. He also hasn't displayed a will like luffy. He hasn't displayed great strength. It's hard to believe he will have a haki power up.
It's my opinion in this matter.
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I wonder if there is any side effects to using haki, like it may take alot of your energy to use it or something…
Anti-Turtle Corps: Neuro, Fire-Fist, Ocil
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I wonder if there is any side effects to using haki, like it may take alot of your energy to use it or something…
high spirit/ambition = high energy level, naturally it consumes more of it but it could only take it's toll on a mental level which woundn't be as tireing as on the physical level - maybe it makes you go insane or beast-like if you use it too much.
the more i think about it the more i get the feeling that luffy knocks out one or all of the beast guards with haki and then realizes for the first time that there is some special kind of power within him which wishes to be released.
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About haki and haki users: when Shanks appeared on WB's boat, I think it was Marco (?) that alerted the crew not to stay near, because of Shanks spirit. It seems that none of them knew what kind of power it was, except the fleet commanders, so it may means that no one does use haki in WB crew ? Well, I hope so because my theory is that WB fleet is only based on raw strength and DF powers, whereas Shanks one may be based on haki control
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About haki and haki users: when Shanks appeared on WB's boat, I think it was Marco (?) that alerted the crew not to stay near, because of Shanks spirit. It seems that none of them knew what kind of power it was, except the fleet commanders, so it may means that no one does use haki in WB crew ? Well, I hope so because my theory is that WB fleet is only based on raw strength and DF powers, whereas Shanks one may be based on haki control
And that Luffys will be the one to have both some day, allowing him to reach Raftel…Data book.
Key Person: Edward Newgate
The legendary person who is closest to being the "Pirate King"!
With a body that resembles a giant and an intimidating aura that can shake the sky, (Whitebeard is) the strongest pirate who has ever challenged the Pirate King for supremacy.
Though he has aged and requires tube (liquid) feeding and specialised nurses to care for him, whether it is his spirit or ability, that has never deteoriated!I think Whitebeard is a Haki user and a Bisento user.
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a supreme haki user I would suspect when I see this!
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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The world will fall apart if WB dies…
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or when Spongebob finds something that is even funnier then 25 !!!!
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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or when Spongebob finds something that is even funnier then 25 !!!!
I'm a good sponge so i need to remind you that this is going to be OT
42…. Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!
No seriously i feel like everything has been discussed
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No one has discussed how deliciously hunky Bon-chan was this chapter.
I swooned.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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Those hairy legs would win over anyone:P
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Does no one wants to accept the possibility that the other Novae got away?
Kizaru was mainly after Luffy, Kid and Law. Yeah, he rampaged and captured 500+ pirates, but why did he rage? Most likely because all of his initial targets escaped. That means no Kidd or Law in Impel Down.Kizaru's fight versus Luffy and friends probably lasted long enough for Apoo, Drake, Urouge and Hawkins to escape. Remember, they have crews to help them. So, none of them in ID.
Finally, Bege and Bonney were on their way out once the shit hit the fan. There's no way that they were caught.
So your saying an a supreme admiral who can "travel at the speed of light" let all the supernova get away? really? Yeah right …
My guess is that rather than be sent to ID the other SN's are now a part of a certain WN's captain collection.
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So your saying an a supreme admiral who can "travel at the speed of light" let all the supernova get away? really? Yeah right …
My guess is that rather than be sent to ID the other SN's are now a part of a certain WN's captain collection.
After all those extravagant introductions Oda made for those SNs?
Trafalgar Law for Straw Hats!!
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So your saying an a supreme admiral who can "travel at the speed of light" let all the supernova get away? really? Yeah right …
My guess is that rather than be sent to ID the other SN's are now a part of a certain WN's captain collection.
Although I think they're somewhere else on level 5. It's possible the 4 SN's Kizaru beat could be WN slaves now. I don't really believe Kizaru would let 4 already defeated SNs leave.
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my predictions for how luffy is gonna get cured is that hancock is gonna freeze him to prevent further spread of the poison and kuma uses his ability to push the poison out.
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^I'll still go with the miracle stuffs Bentham is babbling…
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my predictions for how luffy is gonna get cured is that hancock is gonna freeze him to prevent further spread of the poison and kuma uses his ability to push the poison out.
That's absurd. Even if it's YOUR opinion, I must argument that. How can you possibly think that Hancock would come back? How can u possibly think that Kuma is in ID?
If Im wrong u can assr*pe me..
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After all those extravagant introductions Oda made for those SNs?
I believe Oda picked the term "Supernova" for a reason. no?
I'd like to believe that Capone, Bonney, Law and Kidd, and their crews got away, but Apoo, Drake, Hawkins, and Urouge were captured. Borsalino smacked them up good, and while I think it would be awesome if their crews stepped in and helped them. Wasn't there still an active PX-# Pacifista at that location?
Either way, we'll find out soon enough. Only a few more days, or even hours. Though Oda may spend the entire chapter off into mystery land with this new black-and-white guy.
Btw, extra kudos to the person who saw the connection to Black Jack. Excellent find.
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So your saying an a supreme admiral who can "travel at the speed of light" let all the supernova get away? really? Yeah right …
My guess is that rather than be sent to ID the other SN's are now a part of a certain WN's captain collection.
You're making sound like he's the smartest person in the world. The Supernovae could have hidden or ran. If you tell me that you believe that Bonney and Bege are there you're retarded. From a simple storytelling standpoint, Kid and law aren't there. The rest of the Novae would offer no support in this arc anyway. Apoo = Useless, Urouge = Useless, Hawkins = Useless and Drake = Useless. For Oda to have them show up would useless.
ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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Apoo = Useless, Urouge = Useless, Hawkins = Useless and Drake = Useless. For Oda to have them show up would useless.
Wait, what?
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despite some of the supernovas being beaten badly i still think it maybe likely they all escaped, after all kizaru was kept busy for a while so who knows, also i think brooke being involved in the long arm tribe is somehow related to a future plot with apoo so i cant see how he would be put in prison, it wouldn't make sense for oda to tie these things together without it being used in some extent later on?
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Btw, extra kudos to the person who saw the connection to Black Jack. Excellent find.Ditto on that. Now we know that this Black Jack character will cure Luffy. Give the guy who found that a cookie. Give him the whole jar.
It's possible the Supernovas were alrady transferred over to ID, BUT
my guess is that they're being temporarily held at Marineford. I'm pretty sure we'll see them when White Beard attacks, during the confusion they'll get away and we'll meet them again in the New World.
They might play a small part in the war, taking down some fodder or some VAs. A boon for White Beard.
I think we'll see several other Supernovas when Luffy and crew finally get to fishman island. I think the Fishman island arc will be huge.. and long. Oda has been building it up for years. I sort of see that arc happening right after this whole ACE/White Beard war thing is settled. All of the SH crew will be back together and show off their new abilities at fishman island. Then they'll enter the New World, and realize that they were big fish in a small pond.
*My guess is that Hancock never left the vicinity of ID. I think she took over Momonga's ship and is waiting for Luffy to walk out with Ace. She knows he will need her help to escape. Momonga and crew are stoned or knocked out as Hancock waits for Luffy. Just my guess given she's in love with him. I don't think Hancock would leave Luffy alone in danger, even if it costs her everything (her life, her status, Amazon Lilly) whatever, love is not logical.
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