(for thoese who know) Anime sub's Apis has an awsome fruit
she can talk to animals
i know it doesn't help with combat, but she can RULE THE ANIMAL KINGDOM with it
seriously, there are SO many places that needs her power (aside from a dying dragon)
I'm of the impression that anime filler fruits should not count. Also, Chopper can do the same thing and Apis isn't able to actually control animals, just hear what they say. I personally think it's a bit of a lame power.
Top 10 non-logia?
Hmm, well, not in particular order, and actually 12
Noro Noro, Room fruit, Nikyu Nikyu, Magnetic fruit, Mero Mero, Kage Kage, Age fruit, Straw fruit, Awa Awa, Hana Hana, Puppet fruit, Horo Horo.
He starts having an itelligent conversation with someone but then he still eats them. LOL. Wait, but then he would sink and not drown. sad face :sad:
Lmao. Maybe not a sea king, but some other awesome hybrid animal thing..
[url]Lion[/url] - A carnivorous beast. [url]Richie[/url] of the [url]Buggy Pirates[/url] (owned by fellow member [url]Mohji[/url]) is one.
This one might work.
I ignored the top 10 part, so:
1. Bomu Bomu no Mi
2. Doku Doku no Mi
3. Nikyu Nikyu no Mi.
5. Kage Kage no Mi
6. Supa Supa no Mi
7. Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Wolf
8. Kilo Kilo no Mi
9. Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Falcon (If I had a choice it'd be a sparrow or crow or some hybrid of an eagle and a hawk)
10. Hito Hito no Mi
Bonus: Yomi Yomi no Mi YOHOHOHO!
Give me any of these fruits and I'll be a force to be reckoned with…..
Here my list:
1- Drake's
2- Leopard
3- Wolf
4- Elephant
5- Bomb
6- Bara
7- Gomu
8- Horo
9- Hana
10- Sube
I place the Zoans at the top because if the person wielding them realises the pattern on the Paramecia, any user would be at their mercy. A trained Zoan user with can beat most of the Paramecia's without problem.
The Doru Doru fruit is by far one of the greatest and most flexible fruit abilities. Gallons of mouldable wax that's so tough we've only seen the Sphinx in Impel Down manage to break it so far.
(although I don't doubt Luffy could break it himself now)
the top non-logia?
wow…my opinion is gomu gomu no mi...it's very useful in daily life.if I ate it...I can :
1.at least safe from car/plane/train accident.(cause i'm so sloppy)
2.can get to top building fast.(just like spiderman, no need vehicle anymore)
3.at least safe from getting bullied by delinquent.
4.we can work at circus.(ahahaha...)
5.our body is more durable from disease.(espescially internal body disease)
6.we can eat 100 kg food.(if you want)
7.good at sex.<3
8.good at sports.
9.etc
1 ) - Moria's fruit is probably still the most powerful non-logia we've seen thus far. Fight someone during daylight, take his shadow, instant Kill. Switching positions with your shadow, etc.. if a fighter had this fruit, or an assassin, he would be God.
2 ) - Kidd's fruit would have to be number two for me, I realize he isn't Magneto.. but the ability for Oda to turn him into Magneto is there, he has the most potential in terms of destruction, both to humans and the earth. He can probably sink islands when he masters his powers, or even entire ships, think about it. Once again instant win if you sink the enemy ships full of DF users.
3) - The Paw Paw Fruit is probably the third most powerful we've seen thus far, and I doubt we've seen the extent of its power. It has the defensive advantages of Alvida's power (attacks bounce off/instead of slip) mixed in with healing/damaging that Califa's fruit had.
4) - Perona's fruit would have to be number 4.. too versatile and awesome. It is the Bomu Bomu fruit plus so much more, and it does not require its own body parts to explode.
5) - Apoo's fruit is pretty awesome, it even allows him to attack the elements, that is to say, he can't defeat a Logia, but if he can hurt elements (90% of attacks go right through logia users, Apoo's attacks actually show a response from elements), anyone that isn't a logia is toast.
6 - 7) - Now I don't know if Don Flamingo or Hawkins should get this spot, because they both depend on having foot-soldiers in order for their fruit to work. For example let's say Don Flamingo fights a single enemy that (for whatever reason) cancels out his power, he's dead, if he fights 100 enemies and even if 50 of them are immune, he's still going to defeat at least 90 of them singlehandedly.. If Hawkins is likewise fighting someone solo he's probably not going to be able to use all of his abilities. If he has an amy behind him, he can't lose..
- Gomu Gomu no mi.. but I would highlight its defensive uses more than its offensive abilities..
9) - Law's fruit seems powerful, but it doesn't actually damage his opponents, it just lets him split them up.. I am sure if an opponent is able to figure out he can't hurt him just by cutting him up, he would continue his resolve to fight and somehow have his cut up body parts keep fighting.. also Buggy is his weakness.. either way it's too ambiguous.
10) - Brooke's DF, since no one really dies in OP, to have a failsafe in the 1% chance you do, is pretty cool.
- Kidd's fruit seems powerful, but it doesn't actually damage his opponents, it just lets him split them up.. I am sure if an opponent is able to figure out he can't hurt him just by cutting him up, he would continue his resolve to fight and somehow have his cut up body parts keep fighting.. also Buggy is his weakness.. either way it's too ambiguous.
You mean Trafalgar Law?
Yes, thank you 
talking about buggy, im not sure if his feet have to have contact to the ground at all times or somethin, but since luffy was holding'em and buggy still used his bara bara, i wonder if he could split up and grab his own feet or tie his feet to his legs (sideways or something) wouldnt that counter his weakness? i dont know if what i'm saying is right cuz i dont recal every single detail about buggy's ability… just an idea
Oda said he didn't want to create characters that would fly in order to keep the sailing concept important. He's just made characters that semi float/fly with limitations (except Pell who was a bird).
Seems like nobody's mentioned this one …
Definitely the 'Suki Suki' No Mi or the Clear Clear Fruit that Sanji was on about.
It'd be awesome to be able to just randomly go invisible whenever you wanted
One of the most underrated fruits imo is the:
Kilo Kilo no Mi fruit…
serieously it could have been used so much better..
if she turned really light she could jump very far and run very fast ( i think )
or if she would punch someone and she weights like 5k kilo that would be a gigantic hit..
i would go for that one or the :'Suki Suki' No Mi
(invisable)
True, Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine were just show-offs, without actual fighting ability.
And animals do have sensory and motor abilities that surpass humans, so they could match paramecias.
It's only the logias that make characters godlike. Aside from haki.
I like the looks of bonnery's age manipulation powers.
imagine whitebeard getting hit by that and turned younger… that would be cute?
lol.
I like the looks of bonnery's age manipulation powers.
imagine whitebeard getting hit by that and turned younger… that would be cute?
lol.
he could still probably pwnd the living daylights out of her :P, Anyway, I think this power, a lot like hancocks is negatable like how momonga did it with Hancock and that certainly a man like WB won't be affected by it. If he were to be affected by such a thing he wouldn't have been called the strongest man in the world imo
Come to think of it, Won;t bonny's power pwn any human being alive?
he she just make them old, wheather the guy is strong or not, he can instantly die of old age
you talked about bonny making Wb younger, but what if she made him older? he'll have a heart attack!
I can't remember who it is, but whomever it was saying that Zoan fruits are primarily better than Paramecia fruits obviously hasn't read the same manga I have.
I suppose I'll post my top 10. It's based not on the character that has it, but on the versatility of the fruit, which includes how wtfpwn it is in battle and what other uses it could serve.
10. Kid's Fruit or the Sube Sube - Slip Fruit
9. Hana Hana Fruit - Flower Fruit
8. Bomu Bomu - Bomb Fruit
7. Law's Fruit
6. Horo Horo - Hollow Fruit
5. Noro Noro - Slow Fruit
4. Doru Doru - Wax Fruit
3. Doku Doku - Poison Fruit (If it doesn't end up being Logia)
2. Nikyu Nikyu - Paw Fruit
1. Kage Kage - Shadow Fruit
I can't remember who it is, but whomever it was saying that Zoan fruits are primarily better than Paramecia fruits obviously hasn't read the same manga I have.
I suppose I'll post my top 10. It's based not on the character that has it, but on the versatility of the fruit, which includes how wtfpwn it is in battle and what other uses it could serve.
10. Kid's Fruit or the Sube Sube - Slip Fruit
9. Hana Hana Fruit - Flower Fruit
8. Bomu Bomu - Bomb Fruit
7. Law's Fruit
6. Horo Horo - Hollow Fruit
5. Noro Noro - Slow Fruit
4. Doru Doru - Wax Fruit
3. Doku Doku - Poison Fruit (If it doesn't end up being Logia)
2. Nikyu Nikyu - Paw Fruit
1. Kage Kage - Shadow Fruit
Paramecia offer no strength enhancements, just a lot of gimmicks… True some do good like the Horo, Bomu, etc... But against a trained Zoan, they stand no chance. As I said before th main FLAW with all of them is that they have little clicks built into them. Once you find a way around a PAramecia thats pretty much it. Think of it in terms of chess, if your foe always starts off with the same moves, your going to be able to predict his movements.
Every Paramecia has the same problems, their powerful, but their worthless once your figured the way around them. Take the shadow fruit, the user can't even control a shadow of someone with a stronger will then then the user. So Moria would unlikely control shadows like that of Shanks and WB. On top of it, don't forget that the users power can be used against them via taking in a shadow or two yourself.
Other examples:
-Slow fruit; Mirror
-Wax fruit; heat
-Bara fruit; feet
-Horo fruit; body (when user is hollow themselves)
-Robin's fruit; feels the pain of limbs.
-Rubber; shape things
And I can go on, we've all read the manga and in the end all PAramecias were beaten by discovering how to exploit their gimmick against them (exceptions like Miss Double Finger noted) but the Zoans had to be fought to a defeat.
In the end a zoan with a strong will power, skill, control, etc, etc will beat any Paramecia. While they lack some of the devasting power their animal forms offer them strength, so the price they pay for the lack of gimmick is simply that they are only as good as their abilites as a figher allow them to be.
I think you may give more credit to zoan fruits than they warrant. On the same token to do think that people underestimate them. But while a zoan fruit lacks the exploits and "weaknesses" of paramecias, I feel that in the end they offer less power and flexibility that comes with a paramecia. Zoans are only as strong as the user and you can't really train them or find new ways to use your power (CP9 got around this by combining their fruits with another power set and Chopper got around this by creating the rumble balls, but both of these instances required external help). With zoan once you figure out what you got that's it, all that's left is just to work out more. With paramecias though you are able to find new ways to use your power, such as Luffy's Gears, Robin combining her limbs into bigger, stronger limbs and Blueno's Air Door. With the right training a paramecia user can surprise even the most prepared opponent.
Paramecia offer no strength enhancements, just a lot of gimmicks… True some do good like the Horo, Bomu, etc... But against a trained Zoan, they stand no chance. As I said before th main FLAW with all of them is that the.....
.....e price they pay for the lack of gimmick is simply that they are only as good as their abilites as a figher allow them to be.
it's true that paramicia do normally have a weakness, but it's the paramecia that are more wide spred in fuction eg; Gomu gomu no mi can be used in a number of ways, inflation, like a slingshot, recoil attacks. then there's gears 2nd as well but a inu inu no mi turns you into a dog or hybrid onthing more (discounting rumble ball).
it's true that paramicia do normally have a weakness, but it's the paramecia that are more wide spred in fuction eg; Gomu gomu no mi can be used in a number of ways, inflation, like a slingshot, recoil attacks. then there's gears 2nd as well but a inu inu no mi turns you into a dog or hybrid onthing more (discounting rumble ball).
Luffy's a good fighter, but even he struggled to be a certain leopard Zoan. Plus, I doubt the previous Gomu Gomu no Mi users would have mde as much use of their DF like Luffy does with it. Luffy's a trained fighter, creative, reckless, brave… And on top of it, Gomu didn't give Luffy physical strength it just made his body rubber and the abilitiy to stretch out limbs. So Luffy's exploitation of his DF was certainly a factor in his victory over Rob Lucci, however he also has an incrediable will power (Amazaon Arc - Haki).
In other words, the Gomu Gomu no Mi, did not souly win that fight for him and had he had the Gomu Gomu no Mi, but lacked the factors in that fight, that Leopard Zoan would have been all over him and any other Gomu Gomu no Mi may have been floored.
None of CP9's Paramecia's put up as great a fight as the Zoans, as I said before, the Paramecia are just useful gimmicks and since their a "catch all" group I can't even say their 100% certain to be useful... We cannot judge the usefulness of one against another too soundly.
Also Kaku, who just ate his DF, still proved a more challenging fight to Zoro then soap woman to Nami was. Once the soap was removed, she had only the fighters actaul strength to worry about. The most notable factor in the two ladies fight was simply the soap bubbles weakened Nami and all that DFs power virtaully went away once Nami figured it out. And lets not forget, aside from beating every Zoan down on top of it, the other other way of beating a Zoan so far is to get them water bound.
The best example of a Zoan Vs Paramecia with the Paramecia would be Wapol Vs. Dalton... But we had interferance from Wapol's men which spoils this example. Dalton clearly won his stike on Wapol, but Wapol exploited Dalton's concern for his people and plus Wapol had the 20 doctors on his side.
Other then that... Pell was alarmed by Robin's powers yet didn't know how to fight them. His concern for Vivi and anger at BWs would never have won him that fight. Though its not too big a factor since compared with someone like Zoro Pell is nothing anyway. It suprises me how often Robin gets away with her powers without too much hassle and the only one to avoid her submission was Moria and that was because of his shadow tricks.
There isn't too many Zoans s fr so we've not seen too many fights involving them which is a shame. Regardless of position their still just as worthless against a Logia since in the end it levels out.
Luffy's a good fighter, but even he struggled to be a certain leopard Zoan. Plus, I doubt the previous Gomu Gomu no Mi users would have mde as much use …
...ve not seen too many fights involving them which is a shame. Regardless of position their still just as worthless against a Logia since in the end it levels out.
i used luffy as an example because he knew how to exploit his DF rather than some one else. luffy's creativity shows the array of uses. the previous Gomu gomu no mi user might not have done what luffy has but that doesn't mean that the capibilties weren't there. although it's true that luffy didn't get his strenght from his DF, most fighters in One piece didn't. Lucci is a Rokushiki user and alos has traind exceedingly well, though it should be noted that zoan DF tend to increase strenght the paramecia "gimmicks" are able to give you the edge needed to win a fight. Zoan may give you an immediant physical boost, paramecia depeneds on how you use to fruit to give you lots of strenght if your cunning or none if you ignore the potential.
Kaku vs Zoro match was pretty straight forward it was about techniques and ultimately strenght while the Calfia vs Nami fight was at a disadvantage to nami so she used her wits to win. these two fights fall right into your argument but what is forgoten is that nami is more of a thinker with the 2nd of 3rd highest IQ in the east blue or somthing along those lines while Zoro doesn't strick me as the sharpest knife in the draw, he is a good fighter.
the Dalton vs Warpol fight is not the best because DF put aside Dalton is still a warrior compeared to the pampered Warpol and still would have won a fight.
The best example of a Zoan Vs Paramecia with the Paramecia would be Wapol Vs. Dalton… But we had interferance from Wapol's men which spoils this example. Dalton clearly won his stike on Wapol, but Wapol exploited Dalton's concern for his people and plus Wapol had the 20 doctors on his side.
Well Dalton one succesful strike was an ambush and besides didnt we get to see a flashback of weaponized Wapol beating Dalton into submission. And really against a fully stocked Wapol with weapons sticking out of every orifice most people would be down for the count.
Luffy struggled against Lucci because Lucci was a powerful fighter, devil fruit or not. As for Dalton vs. Warpol, before Blackbeard's attack they did fight and Dalton lost. We don't know the circumstances surrounding this, but Warpol did seem to be the more powerful of the two (though the lesser fighter). Zoans are only as strong as the people who use them and cannot be trained. Paramecias can.
In the grand scheme of things, neither paramecia or zoan are more powerful than the other. A zoan main strenght is increasing the power a person already has, while paramecias grant new abilities and expand what a person can do. As for the weaknesses of paramecias, they aren't actually weaknesses, just areas that their devil doesn't protect.
Zoans are only as strong as the people who use them and cannot be trained. Paramecias can.
There are ways to train/upgrade what you can do with your Zoan DF. Just look at Chopper.
Training a Zoan fruit power is like training ones body. You have to get used to it, and get a better feel for your new form. Its also possible that the size of the individual is directly proportionate to their physical strength. If we compare, the American Bison is the largest mammal is North America. Lucci and Jyabura were a leopard and wolf respectively which are both smaller than a bison. However, the latter two were much larger than Dalton in his hybrid form. I guess the more power you gain through training, the greater the boost you get when you transform. Also, its said Carnivorous Zoans are more aggressive and fierce. Maybe if Chopper trains his physical power he'll get a bigger transformation, too. Aside from Monster Point.
There are ways to train/upgrade what you can do with your Zoan DF. Just look at Chopper.
Chopper has to use an external stimulus to further his devil fruit, and the CP9 agents combined theirs with a superhuman fighting style. Zoans are the most limited fruit. My bulk of my arguments is to show that and that they are no better than a paramecia fruit, which can be trained.
yes…I agree...Zoan equal paramecia... and logia is a god like, but maybe, a logia also has a weakness (aside from their anti-element) , maybe a logia couldnt have a haki, because their whole body is actually an element, so when they eat a logia type of fruit, they didnt just lose their ability to swim but also their haki...
at least we havent seen any logia type user used haki right? even aokiji and and kizaru never use haki...or maybe they couldnt use it from beginning...
This isn't really the place to talk about logias, but I will say this on them. Given there nature, there cannot be that many logias; chances are we have seen at least half of them (at seven). So there's no reason to think that having a logia fruit would prevent one from using Haki, since we haven't gotten to that point yet. And really, a logia fruit is just flat out better than Haki anyway.
And now back to the Zoan and Paramecia discussion.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
If we compare, the American Bison is the largest mammal is North America. Lucci and Jyabura were a leopard and wolf respectively which are both smaller than a bison. However, the latter two were much larger than Dalton in his hybrid form.
Interesting point. Never really thought about that in depth…
The confirmation of that theory could be a good SBS question.
if we think like that, the the giraff was enormiously huge to be real
There was a major flaw to the Giraffe, but Kaku displayed the creativity most DF Zoan users seem to lack. He turned a weakness into a strength.
In a way Zoan's are stronger than paramecia in that they don't have a secondary weakness that can be exploited like alot of Paramecia do. They also keep you guessing on how the user is gonna use his transformations in battle.
This is my top 10 list.
In no particular order.
Wapols fruit was quite possibly the most versatile power we have seen.
Wapols fruit was quite possibly the most versatile power we have seen.
I think that price is going to go to mazzelan quite soon. I believe he only just started showing the possibilities of the doku doku no mi unless he is out cold, which would be a bit lame. . .
I think that price is going to go to mazzelan quite soon. I believe he only just started showing the possibilities of the doku doku no mi unless he is out cold, which would be a bit lame. . .
His name is Magellan.
yeah well, I call him mazzelan
end off discussion
1. Luffy – gomu gomu no mi
2. Kuma -- paw paw no mi
3. Moria-- kage kage no mi
4. magellan -- poison poison fruit
5. hancock -- mero mero
6. mr.2's df
7. don flaminggo's df
8. mr.1's df
9. kaku's df
10. kidd's df
RIP Portgas D. Ace
Burning up my neighbor's house as a tribute
1. Kaku's
2. Daz Bones'
3. Luffy's/Moria's - both are awesome
4. King Wapol's - you gotta agree with this.
1. Kaku's
2. Daz Bones'
3. Luffy's/Moria's - both are awesome
4. King Wapol's - you gotta agree with this.
what's so special about Kaku's DF?It's just like every other zoan imo..
perhaps because it was hilarious but it still turned out to be a good fight . . .
But it wasn't a good fight because the fruit was strong, but rather because Kaku is a good fighter, who could adapt his fighting style to his devil fruit really fast.
Here is my top ten:
10. Kiro Kiro no Mi (Miss Valentine)
Go to hell weight watchers!
9. Hana Hana no Mi (Robin)
Unlimited options!
8. Nikyu Niyku no Mi (Kuma)
For being broken!
7. Suke Suke no Mi (Absalom)
I share Sanjis dream!
6. Ushi Ushi no Mi : Model Giraffe
Look at him and you will understand.
5. Doku Doku no Mi (Magellan)
For not being a logia :P.
4. Drakes fruit
He is a dinosaur! A DINOSAUR XD!
3. Laws fruit
I would slice my latin teacher in 1000 pieces !
2. Gomu Gomu no Mi (Luffy)
Such much creativity in a single fruit!
1. Neko Neko no Mi : Model Leopard (Lucci) I have a obsession with cats!
Why not? Nothing to lose but my life… and I got that for free!
Well, unfortunately angel, I'm not talking about what type of BUFF enhancement a fruit gives you. Zoans might not have a "weakness" per say; a way to nullify or ultimately "get around" their power, but I'm more talking in battle in general. I guess I take into consideration how easily their power may be nullified, but for the most part, it's easy to get a sense of how powerful a fruit can be in the right hands just by what power the fruit gives a person. If a Dragon Zoan came around, that would definitely be on my top 10, but for the most part, a Zoans power in battle relies heavily upon if they are already a strong individual without factoring in the fruit. Robin's a weak bitch, but look at what the Hana Hana fruit does for her.
Just my thoughts.
T-rex Zoan fruit FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zoans aren't underpowered, because they have the same potential for semantic creativity in powers as the paramecia and logia. Consider Hancock's Snake sisters. They used special snake attacks that real snakes can't even do just by general snakiness.
Or think about Kaku. Giraffes can't extend their necks and do all that "square" non-sense, but Devil's Fruits don't work along realistic lines. So in addition to the fantastic strength, etc. a Zoan user gets some variable powers to mess around with. It's really like a more balanced Paramecia.
I'm really hoping to see one of the big bad-asses in the New World be a really cool Zoan. Say, a Spiderman?
Also, the most wasted fruit has to be the Kilo Kilo. Imagine if Luffy had eaten that. Think how terribly he'd destroy things. It could offer amazing acrobatic maneuvers by manipulating the center of the person's body, allow very rapid movement and high jumps, and blows of immense force.
