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    • Bounty1Berry
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      Do people consider low-quality dubs/translations a benefit or a penalty to the OP (and anime-manga in general) fandoms?

      I've been considering it, seems a dual-edged sword.

      As benefits,

      -Obviously, OP gets more exposure where quality versions might never reach
      -Some will be lured by the low-quality versions and seek out deeper understanding
      -Rough concepts will likely carry over enough so that it can serve as basic material. On my connection, fan-anything is out of the question, until I'm ready to drag home 300 back issues of Shonen Jump, I'm stuck with the dub.

      As penalties,

      -The series may be unfairly smeared by those who see only a poor version
      -Fansites are no doubt occasionally hit by the "why do you keep spelling it Zoro?" people.
      -Perhaps if the market space weren't filled with a bad dub, when the market matures, a good one would appear. Imagine a world with no 4kids dub of OP; it might not appear in the US til 2010, but by then, the market might accept a better edit. If the market's ready for real OP in 2010, it will still be a hard sell when there's already an English version in play.

      I thought some interesting discussion might arise from this ponderable.

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        I don't really have a problem with their existance, since even the foobly versions manage to pull in fans, but I'd rather people saw it like I saw it. Either raw, for those who can understand, subtitled by a good group like K-F, or dubbed by any company other than 4Kids. The experience is much better when it just catches you the way it should. I remember being disappointed that acfriend had seen the great suprises of the Arlong arc in the dub, which softened a a lot of the original impact.

        Originally Posted by Battle Franky

        Bad move, bub!

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          -Some will be lured by the low-quality versions and seek out deeper understanding

          Heh, reminds me of how I got into anime in the first place.

          Good old Digimon Adventure…

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          • lukia
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            I've actually been annoyed by the bad dubs even though I don't watch them myself because I've had friends come up to me and tell me how bad One piece is….! <_< Even if I could persuade them to watch the originals or subs, it does leave a bad impression....

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              The series may be unfairly smeared by those who see only a poor version

              A friend to myself:

              I don't really like the show. Maybe it's gotten better, but right now it's annoying

              CURSE YOU 4K!DS!! >O

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                You forgot one huge downside…

                Any One Piece games imported to America will be altered to accomodate the terrible dub.

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                  … I will not buy any one Piece games in the states >.>

                  Thats why god made ROMS... however, they are hard to find...

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                  • Zephos
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                    -Obviously, OP gets more exposure where quality versions might never reach

                    This is true, but at a great cost. This is a double edged sword in of itself.

                    -Some will be lured by the low-quality versions and seek out deeper understanding

                    A defenite benefit. I agree. Its how I got here (via dBz dub, it sucks, now I know!)

                    -Rough concepts will likely carry over enough so that it can serve as basic material. On my connection, fan-anything is out of the question, until I'm ready to drag home 300 back issues of Shonen Jump, I'm stuck with the dub.

                    Your no less capable than pretty much everyone here. You have a computer, and I'm sure enough intelligence to click "download" and get manga chapters.
                    And "basic concepts"? Thats bullshit, sorry man. If One Piece is stripped to its basic concepts, its trash, its all the complex workings of the basic plot that makes Op what it is.

                    -The series may be unfairly smeared by those who see only a poor version

                    So very true…....I see this alot now, I mean.... the thread I got my sig quote from was filled with otaku elitists bashing One Piece with a club based on the dub. It was awful....

                    -Fansites are no doubt occasionally hit by the "why do you keep spelling it Zoro?" people.

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                    Need I say more ( I agree)

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                      Ooo, rough question.

                      I hate dubs, for the most part. I don't like foreign films dubbed, either. But dubbed anime tends to piss me off worse than anything. It's not because I feel the original is inherently better or anything, it's because the people doing the dubbing seem to care nothing for getting talented people to do the dub. It's as if they think the video portion of a movie or anime is enough, and no effort is needed for the voice track.

                      It seems to me that most dubbing studios think that anyone with a voice can act with it. They don't realize that VOICE ACTING is a very different thing from regular acting. So even when you get big-name Hollywood stars doing dubbing, half the time they are pretty faces with no real voice acting ability. And in a dub, you can pose and smile and ooze sexy all over the place, but if you have a monotone voice, you'll be BAD.

                      In Japan, seiyuu are respected. They're popular. In the US, most people who only do voice characterizations are not given that kind of cult worship status. Heck, the only one I could think of that comes close was Mel Blanc, and he was godly. But still, he didn't get the respect that a "real" actor would get.

                      The US has a lot of really fine VA talent, but for some reason, most dubbing studios aren't interested in using them. They either go the "big name" route, hiring the hot Hollywood names of the week who may or may not be any good as voice talent, or they hire the cheapest possible local talent they can.

                      And I am so facking tired of the raspy, gaspy, screaming little boy voice they gave Luffy. That same type of voice shows up on every damn cartoon boy between the ages of 5 and 12. And why the hell they gave a kid's voice to Luffy in the first place…

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                      Ugh, I could rant on this subject for days. I think I'll leave before you all start pelting me with garbage.

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                      • OP Man
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                        I agree with everything Zephos said. The number one purpose for any TV show is to entertain the audience. If it brings in more fans, then so be it. If the casual viewer, who will never become a full fledge anime fan anyway, is entertained by the dub, then they have nothing to apologize for and the show has served its purpose, no matter what version it is.

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                          I agree with everything Zephos said. The number one purpose for any TV show is to entertain the audience. If it brings in more fans, then so be it. If the casual viewer, who will never become a full fledge anime fan anyway, is entertained by the dub, then they have nothing to apologize for and the show has served its purpose, no matter what version it is.

                          Wait…..I disagree with you...... arts purpose isn't just entertainment.....influence as well.....and enlightenment.

                          If kids get influenced by the One Piece dub, then the next generation of storytellers.......will suck.
                          Can you imagine a world where everything is like Rave Master? Thats the hell we get from garbage like the dub twisting the minds of children.

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                            Before I start: I will try to make this post as unbiased as possible, despite my dislike for the dub. If I appear biased, please take into account that I'm trying my best not to be, and if I really am being biased, please point it out to me.

                            Okay, here we go. I think dubs detract from the overall experience of the original, no matter how good or bad they are. Every language, not just Japanese, be it German or Russian or whatever, has its own special meaning and feel to it that you just can't convey by speaking it once translated to a different language. This is why I don't watch dubs for anything, whether it be a foreign film or anime, unless they're horrendously bad in which I proceed to make fun of them.

                            On the subject of the One Piece dub, it's one of those horrendously bad ones. I've seen a few episodes here and there. Here's what I think of it in detail:

                            Bringing more fans to the series:
                            Looks good on the outside. The truth is these fans don't know what One Piece is really like. To them Laboon is an iceburg and Gum Gum Blast is one of Luffy's signature moves. It creates fans of something almost entirely different, who, in turn, probably will end up like those exposed to the DBZ dub (omg y are u calling hercule mr satan) and will think oddly of those exposed to the sub. However, in some cases, some may develop an interest to see the original Japanese version (like myself with early anime that I watched,) creating more fans of the original One Piece. Which is a good thing.

                            Bringing the One Piece franchise to America:
                            Once again appears nice on the outside, but in reality isn't that great. The games brought here are redone to be like the dub, which in turn makes them about that much less enjoyable. The voices are just as bad, except for maybe Nami's, the attack names are changed, and Zoro is still Zolo. Importing is still a better option. Although, all of this is great for those who can't get their hands on an import.

                            Giving One Piece a bad name in America:
                            Uh-oh. This is where it gets bad. I tell my friends, "You should watch One Piece, it's awesome." "It's a little too goofy for me," they say. Why do they say this? Because of supersoaker guns, rubber knives, Helmeppo's.. hammer contraption.. thing, poison suction cups, Gum Gum Blast, David Moo.. you get the point. One Piece has been so altered from what it was that some people can't understand why anyone would like something so ridiculously.. ridiculous. Of course, some people still like it, but refer to my first section of this.. opinion thing.. for details of my opinion on that.

                            Other opinions:
                            The dub also allows people with bad/horrible internet connections to have access to the anime, which is a good thing, despite it being severely messed with. They are least getting some exposure to it, and even people with bad internet connections can read the manga (Null's scanlations are the best choice in my opinion) if they so choose, so they have the option of knowing what's really going on while having the chance to see (some of it) animated. To these people who have bad internet connections and cannot get KF's or Gerusama's eps, and are restricted to the dub: I highly suggest you read the manga so you know what's really going on.

                            That's my input, feel free to criticize it/agree with it/disagree with it as much as you want. Sorry for the huge post!

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                              The dub is an inferior version of existing work. Like someone smearing paint over Mona Lisa and destroying any copies within their country, forcing people who want the real article to obtain it by other methods.

                              Same thing with One Piece. Paint being smeared representing the episode merging, removal of complexity, and replacing orchestra with techno and rap. Destroying any copies representing 4Kids's obvious intentions of making sure their version is the ONLY one available legally in America. People obtaining the real article by other methods being downloading fansubs or importing Region 2 DVDs (which no one does).

                              If all that's left to the show is a basic concept, that makes it completely different. I could draw a comic about a kid who wants to become King of the Samurai and gathering a crew of other samurai to seek the legendary sword of Cold Otter, former King of the Samurai. It's virtually the same concept, yet executed differently it becomes a different show. 4Kids has a much different interpretation of One Piece than Toei or Eiichiro Oda. Having a slightly larger fanbase is a very small benefit, whereas the negatives of the degree of butchering that 4Kids puts One Piece through to the point where it's a completely different show outnumber it greatly.

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                                Ahhh.. I really coulde'nt careless about it's rep in America. As long as I have my subs and continue to like the original One Piece I'm happy. I mean yeah we should be mad that they are ruining a great series, but not because it's not going to be the next "Pokemon" or something. That's way too overated.

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                                  I mean yeah we should be mad that they are ruining a great series, but not because it's not going to be the next "Pokemon" or something.

                                  Actually, that's kinda why I'm a bit upset at them. They're trying to make One Piece into the next pokemon but it's on a different level entirely.

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                                    I know this is kind of off topic, but does anyone know what kind of ratings OP gets on the cartoon block it plays on?

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                                      I don't know the numbers exactly at this time, but it has been said One Piece gets good ratings on Cartoon Network, while getting average ratings on 4Kidstv.

                                      Everything was all for nothing

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                                        It gets terrible ratings on 4Kids TV.

                                        It got good ratings for a while on Cartoon Network but oh, how the mighty have fallen 😁

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                                          I still belive it's getting good ratings on Toonami because (knowing Cartoon Network) they would've pulled it already if it is getting bad ratings. As for 4Kidstv the ratings are not hot. But they must not be as bad as you say since if it was they would've pulled it too. The dub is garbage. I know that. But if it's getting the bad ratings everyone is saying it's always getting woulden't you think they would've took it off the air already? And please don't feed me that crap that they want to make it big. That would work if it was released the first couple of months, but the dub has already been on T.V for nearly a year and if it was truely getting the awful awful AWFUL ratings it has been said getting then it would've been cancaled by now. That's why I think it's doing alright in ratings. Not that it deserves it.

                                          Everything was all for nothing

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                                            Well, there's 'awful' and 'awful'.

                                            Awful ratings might just cover expenses, but still represent better value than eating xx dubbed episodes.

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                                              Well the way people are describing it is that it's getting ratings so awful, no one watches it. I find that hard to belive when it's still in the air for a year and is shown on two channels, one of the channels showing it twice and soon on it's primetime block. If it was truely getting awful as hell ratings, it would've been cancaled by now.

                                              Everything was all for nothing

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                                                @RomanGod:

                                                Well the way people are describing it is that it's getting ratings so awful, no one watches it. I find that hard to belive when it's still in the air for a year and is shown on two channels, one of the channels showing it twice and soon on it's primetime block. If it was truely getting awful as hell ratings, it would've been cancaled by now.

                                                4Kids is persistent. They don't want to admit their failures. F-Zero GP Legend was erased off the face of the planet because 4Kids isn't keen on saying "Hey look, we suck".

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                                                  Maybe they are bummed out that it didn't bloom like Yu-gi-oh and such. But I doubt it is a complete failure, otherwise Cartoon Network won't be airing it still. You can kinda just say that it's just another show on T.V. It doesn't have GREAT ratings. But it doesn't have dirt level either. It has enough to stay on T.V. Anyways I still think it gets good ratings on Toonami because CN is now putting it on weekdays. And as I said after being a year on T.V it must get some ratings. Like you said, F-Zero was dropped off the face of the planet because it got really really bad ratings. If this is the case for One Piece, they would've dropped it already.

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