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    • Phoenix Zoan
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      The only reason i have to speculate that Ace is at level 6 is that Oda would probably want us to explore each level of ID before he leaves. On the other hand what if ace was overhyped? I mean he fought with WBs name. I can see that many people were scared of him until BB came and pwned him. I mean what if his threat is so that only level 5 suits him? What if his threat isn't so great that he would have been put at level 6?

      Well I don't think Oda is going to make this a 6 level prison just to have Luffy get caught in Level 4. Not show us Level 5 or level 6. The floor that Ace isn't on. Especially when he has hyped it up as the floor where monsters hidden from history are kept. He'll go through all 6 floors or what max floor this place has by the time this arc is done. Of course Ace being on level 6 like Buggy foreshadowed in his rumor would be the logically reason why Luffy would go up to Level 6.

      As for Ace. No he's not fucking overhyped. He should be on the bottom floor. He is WB 2nd in Command. His capture was enough of a accomplishment by the WG that it was enough to give Blackbeard a Shichibukai title when he had a bounty of zero and has given the WG a reason to go to war with WB. He was a catalyst to this gigantic incident. Someone that has given the WG enough balls to think that yeah we can trap WB and actually win. So to say that he's overhyped is ridiculous. The WG actions speak for themselves about how high they regard Ace's capture.

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        BB himself hinted that many pirates out there are over confident with their DF abilities. And it doubt that Ace had another trump card besides his fire logia power. His DF is super strong yeah but BB could nullify it. And i bet that Ace knew he would loose the battle but still fought. Call it reckless, dumb overconfidence or whatever… It was as if he was with his last attack trying to convince himself that he cannot loose because he is the one who will make WB the PK. Don't you think that he regrets what he has done? The only mysterious power that might match BBs ability or overcome it is haki. I wonder if Ace knows something about it and if yes why he didn't use it against BB. Maybe he is still a rookie with a freaking DF that gave him the power to become a commander. So most of his fame was based on his DF?

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          Well I don't think Oda is going to make this a 6 level prison just to have Luffy get caught in Level 4. Not show us Level 5 or level 6. The floor that Ace isn't on. Especially when he has hyped it up as the floor where monsters hidden from history are kept. He'll go through all 6 floors or what max floor this place has by the time this arc is done. Of course Ace being on level 6 like Buggy foreshadowed in his rumor would be the logically reason why Luffy would go up to Level 6.

          As for Ace. No he's not fucking overhyped. He should be on the bottom floor. He is WB 2nd in Command. His capture was enough of a accomplishment by the WG that it was enough to give Blackbeard a Shichibukai title when he had a bounty of zero and has given the WG a reason to go to war with WB. He was a catalyst to this gigantic incident. Someone that has given the WG enough balls to think that yeah we can trap WB and actually win. So to say that he's overhyped is ridiculous. The WG actions speak for themselves about how high they regard Ace's capture.

          Luffy going to level 6 to find Ace may be one logical reason, but it's not "the logical reason." That's why I said Ace is not necessarily on level 6. I can't imagine Luffy trying to escape from the first floor, and to me the most likely event is Luffy going down to level 6 in order to escape.

          Someone else said it too, but it is quite clear from the Hancock meeting with Ace that the idiots kept on Ace's levelwere not level-6 type monsters that buggy mentioned. The way I see it is that Buggy in the context of talking about Ace introduced us to the possibility of level 6.

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            I believe everyone is debating an arbitrary question. The main issue raised in this chapter is: If Iwa-san is deceased, who is gonna become the next Queen…um King.....um....Queen of the Okama?:blink:

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              Wow everyone, this was a great chapter! Quite exciting indeed. 😆

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                seems like luffys reaching his limits n if level 4 are with the maximum sercurity if luffy fights then i think luffy will push himself to his limits and fail (unless we see haki)

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                  I think the point of level 6 is that no one knows what is there or what it is for. Something more than just a prison level. The deepest pit where the lord of hell sits as it were. Ace is probably on level 5; in face, I'm going to say that he is on level 5. Look at the situation: there is currently no one with Ace right now that is so horrifying that they need to be erased from history. Ace himself isn't that good, and he is probably the strongest guy there.

                  So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.

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                    What's with all this confustion about level 6?

                    Ace and Jimbei are on level 5. It's been made clear. According to Buggy level 6 is the "rumored" level of Impel Down that may or may not exist.

                    If we're going to see it, there are better ways then putting Ace and Jimbei there. A quick scene change to it before Luffy leaves would work. Or, maybe Luffy accidentally breaks the floor again?

                    As for whether or not Ace is strong enough to be on the 5th or 6th level, who cares? We don't even know the requirements for being sent to level 6. If it's for "monster that they want history to forget," then that doesn't mean that the prisoners are necessarily stronger then Ace. Or, maybe getting Ace out of level 6 for his execution is a huge pain in the ass? It's not that important, nor does it make Ace look bad to not be in level 6.

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                    seems like luffys reaching his limits n if level 4 are with the maximum sercurity if luffy fights then i think luffy will push himself to his limits and fail (unless we see haki)

                    Dude, Luffy still has plenty of fight in him. Wait for gear 2 and gear 3 to fail before talking about haki, not when he's only somewhat winded.

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                      luffy will fail because of magellan. Poison is deadly and the chief is basically the incarnation of it. We discussed it in the spoiler thread… I thought that it was clear that he has nearly 0.1% chance to win against magellan. And he will soon reach his limits if he doesn't get water and food.

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                        luffy will fail because of magellan. Poison is deadly and the chief is basically the incarnation of it. We discussed it in the spoiler thread… I thought that it was clear that he has nearly 0.1% chance to win against magellan. And he will soon reach his limits if he doesn't get water and food.

                        True but that's a good way for Luffy to improve is to go past his limit and our expectations. Something smexy is going to happen pretty soon hopefully.

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                          Haa let's say it. ID is luffys real training arc 😉

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                            I think the point of level 6 is that no one knows what is there or what it is for. Something more than just a prison level. The deepest pit where the lord of hell sits as it were. Ace is probably on level 5; in face, I'm going to say that he is on level 5. Look at the situation: there is currently no one with Ace right now that is so horrifying that they need to be erased from history. Ace himself isn't that good, and he is probably the strongest guy there.

                            Aside from Ace, Jinbei and Croc. We have no idea who the other prisoners are. So saying how powerful they are is ridiculous right now. And if that was indeed L5. Where's the Okama Way queen at.

                            onemoment: If it was made clear that they are in level 5 we wouldn't be having this discussion. Ace level has not been disclosed yet. And Level 6 does exist. You think that floor below level 5 is empty or just a whole floor of stone to hold up the rest of the tower? So Oda gave it the same design as every other floor becuase Oda thought it would be cool to make a fake floor on the maps. To deny level 6 at this point is ridiculous. You can argue whether that's Ace's floor or not. But you can't say it doesn't exist.

                            Anyways I want to see your evidence that makes it clear Jinbei and Ace are on level 5. As for buggy. Your selective quoting what he said. L6 is the rumored floor where monsters kept from history would be kept at. Ace would most likely be kept at that floor. He wasn't bringing up the quote just to talk about level 6. It was to give us a rumored location of where Ace is at.

                            Here's the exact quote from Stephen's translation. Rereading it though. Sounds like he's just talking about legendary monsters that guard the floor. Not the actual prisoners are legendary monsters.

                            Buggy: And as you go deeper, to Level 2 and Level 3, the prisoners held there get more and more vicious and dangerous!!
                            I was put as far as Level 4 once, to undergo inferno torture…
                            ...but I don't know nothin' about below that!!
                            I HAVE heard that Level 5 is only for the very worst, the ones worth nine digits or more.
                            But some prisoners says there's floors even below that!!
                            Places where MONSTERS sleep, so terrible they had to be erased from the annals of history… It's only a rumor, but that might be where Ace is now.
                            Anyhow! I can only guide you to Level 4, okay?!

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                              Haa let's say it. ID is luffys real training arc 😉

                              That's actually a nice way of putting it.

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                              And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.

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                                luffy will fail because of magellan. Poison is deadly and the chief is basically the incarnation of it. We discussed it in the spoiler thread… I thought that it was clear that he has nearly 0.1% chance to win against magellan. And he will soon reach his limits if he doesn't get water and food.

                                And Buggy is carrying a Seastone Net shooter. And Mr. 3 can coat himself and others in wax to hold poison away for a few seconds. And Mr. 2 or Luffy could create some shonen-technique to ward off the poison (like some hurricane like technique that expels the air around you, carrying away the poisonous fumes of Magellan).

                                Poison is deadly, I know, but this is One Piece. Expect the weird to happen.

                                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                  And Buggy is carrying a Seastone Net shooter. And Mr. 3 can coat himself and others in wax to hold poison away for a few seconds. And Mr. 2 or Luffy could create some shonen-technique to ward off the poison (like some hurricane like technique that expels the air around you, carrying away the poisonous fumes of Magellan).

                                  Poison is deadly, I know, but this is One Piece. Expect the weird to happen.

                                  Or there's a antidote to Magellan's poison somewhere on L4. I would think that if Domino or Hannybal accidentally got affected by Magellan poison. They would have a antidote onhand to counteract his poison.

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                                    I'm asking myself "if the wax melts at level3 won't luffy be burned?"

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                                      I don't think it makes sense the Magellan will just end everything and Luffy and Co will be captured. This is a guy who beat down two Schchibukais. He is perhaps the strongest Rookie on the grandline. Luffy really hasn't been pwned except against the Admirals/Kuma.

                                      I'm sure Magellan is a strong dude in his own right. But the team of rivals (Luffy, Buggy, Mr. 2 and 3) just seems like the perfect vehicle (designed by Oda) to accomplish what Luffy has set out to do. Which is to free Ace (probably Jinbei/Croc in the process). Once Ace, Jinbei, and Croc or temporarily working with Luffy to get out… umm.. I don't think there is anything that can stop them. You would need to bring an admiral and a few VAs to stop them.. minimum. My feeling is that Ace/Jinbei are about equal and are not much weaker than an Admiral (mabye just one small notch down)

                                      So my guess is that Luffy will find a way to defeat Magellan, not sure if he will use Haki or will be able to do a combo attack with the help of "friends"

                                      Honestly who can beat a Mr. 2/3 Luffy Buggy Team? LOL, I would love having Buggy on my side... he seems very VERY resourceful. Love that Muggy Ball thing. If he's got 10 Muggy Balls.. that might be enough to blow level 4 to hell and back.

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                                        I'm asking myself "if the wax melts at level3 won't luffy be burned?"

                                        That didn't stop him in Skypeia.

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                                          I don't think it makes sense the Magellan will just end everything and Luffy and Co will be captured. This is a guy who beat down two Schchibukais. He is perhaps the strongest Rookie on the grandline. Luffy really hasn't been pwned except against the Admirals/Kuma.

                                          I'm sure Magellan is a strong dude in his own right. But the team of rivals (Luffy, Buggy, Mr. 2 and 3) just seems like the perfect vehicle (designed by Oda) to accomplish what Luffy has set out to do. Which is to free Ace (probably Jinbei/Croc in the process). Once Ace, Jinbei, and Croc or temporarily working with Luffy to get out… umm.. I don't think there is anything that can stop them. You would need to bring an admiral and a few VAs to stop them.. minimum. My feeling is that Ace/Jinbei are about equal and are not much weaker than an Admiral (mabye just one small notch down)

                                          So my guess is that Luffy will find a way to defeat Magellan, not sure if he will use Haki or will be able to do a combo attack with the help of "friends"

                                          Honestly who can beat a Mr. 2/3 Luffy Buggy Team? LOL, I would love having Buggy on my side... he seems very VERY resourceful. Love that Muggy Ball thing. If he's got 10 Muggy Balls.. that might be enough to blow level 4 to hell and back.

                                          The only way the team gets better is if Foxxy is on level….that would be toooooooooooooooo much win.

                                          Haa let's say it. ID is luffys real training arc 😉

                                          He should get a hell of a lot stronger and I expect to see some new techniques coming up pretty soon.

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                                            Wow, Foxy joining this team would be awesomeness incarnate!

                                            Noro Noro Okama Kempo Muggy Ball no Jet Tonkashi Storm!!!!!

                                            Well, Foxy aside, the team would be even stronger if they find some cooler place. Mr. 3's power is incredibly usefull. A pity it has been diminished by the intense heat.

                                            I'm asking myself "if the wax melts at level3 won't luffy be burned?"

                                            Realisticly speaking, if you are under a temperature that can melt a big wax construct under 3 seconds, your flesh would be burned by the air itself. The melted wax will never get hotter than the temperature around it, after all.

                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                              @MagneticMonkey:

                                              luffy will fail because of magellan. Poison is deadly and the chief is basically the incarnation of it. We discussed it in the spoiler thread… I thought that it was clear that he has nearly 0.1% chance to win against magellan. And he will soon reach his limits if he doesn't get water and food.

                                              Well…I'm glad to know you and people who share your belief will enjoy the upcoming battle against Magellan.

                                              I'm also surprised so many people such little faith in Luffy's strength. It's weird after having read the manga up to this point and seeing everything he's fought against already.

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                                                Well, he could have, you know, changed clothes.

                                                What!? That's crazy talk! Stop talking crazy talk Crazy!

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                                                  As for Ace. No he's not fucking overhyped. He should be on the bottom floor. He is WB 2nd in Command. His capture was enough of a accomplishment by the WG that it was enough to give Blackbeard a Shichibukai title when he had a bounty of zero and has given the WG a reason to go to war with WB. He was a catalyst to this gigantic incident. Someone that has given the WG enough balls to think that yeah we can trap WB and actually win. So to say that he's overhyped is ridiculous. The WG actions speak for themselves about how high they regard Ace's capture.

                                                  technically he is WB's 3rd in command Marco is, and yea I agree with the WG having balls to actually face WB in full force w/c they can't capture until this day before the pirate era even began.

                                                  edit: I wonder why the government would react so fast after they get a hold of Ace, yeah It's a big chance but isn't it too early?

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                                                    edit: I wonder why the government would react so fast after they get a hold of Ace, yeah It's a big chance but isn't it too early?

                                                    I think the reason is simple: before Ace's capture, the government would need to go to the New World and face Whitebeard in his own territory. By executing Ace, the government is forcing Whitebeard to come to war.

                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                      If Whitebeard does die in the war like a lot of people are expecting, would Marco then become captain of the Whitebeard Pirates? that would be cool. It wouldn't be as cool if Ace becomes the captain.

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                                                        If Whitebeard does die in the war like a lot of people are expecting, would Marco then become captain of the Whitebeard Pirates? that would be cool. It wouldn't be as cool if Ace becomes the captain.

                                                        i'm pretty sure that the WB pirates would fall if WB died
                                                        i mean Ace, Marco and Jozu are strong for sure, but WB's a fucking yonkou. If WB died the admirals would swoop in and annihilate the crew.

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                                                          If WB died, I think his surviving crew would divide into several crews, like with the Fishmen Pirates.

                                                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                            What!? That's crazy talk! Stop talking crazy talk Crazy!

                                                            It's not the quick spoilers that we get on tuesdays, it's not the fun chats we can discuss about One Piece, It's not even about the different news we hear about this awesome story, It's the people like Greg that make this place awesome 😆
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                                                            On topic though, I think Luffy in his current wouldn't be able to Not get caught by Magellen. And I don't think it's possible at this point for him to beat him. But the main goal is still, rescue Ace, Run like hell, Find crewmates.
                                                            Not, Beat Semi-Perv-slimy thing.

                                                            Oh hey look, a chicken.

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                                                              I was re-reading the chapter and there was no mentioning of his fruit. Smoker used the seastone net to trap the entire Buggy crew and was in a hurry, plus Smoker had seen Buggy and Alvida using their powers.

                                                              Yeah…I know. You asked if Smoker was briefed, and he was. You asked in question of their powers, and they were caught with seastone net.

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                                                              Also, the rest of my original post still stands. ID just received 500 prisoners at once, so some mistakes probably happened. And, if not for Luffy being there, Buggy would've been recaptured within moments of escaping his cell.

                                                              I'm not sure what you are getting at. Or why. This argument was brought up in detail in chapter 525. It would make much more sense that they knew who he was and what he was and what powers he had (or at least that he had them). The Muggy Balls give reasonable evidence to show that at the very least he was capable of escaping via other means than his powers. The whole point is that the Marines haven't been screwing up left and right like people are suggesting they have; or at least not as bad as people are making it out to be.

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                                                                I think the reason is simple: before Ace's capture, the government would need to go to the New World and face Whitebeard in his own territory. By executing Ace, the government is forcing Whitebeard to come to war.

                                                                why can't they just use Ace as a hostage and force WB to disband his crew.

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                                                                  why can't they just use Ace as a hostage and force WB to disband his crew.

                                                                  lol You're a horrible tactician.

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                                                                  Whitebeard we have Ace!!
                                                                  Disband your crew and we'll let him go!!

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                                                                  Ok.

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                                                                  Here ya go.

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                                                                  You're retarded. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!

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                                                                    lol You're a horrible tactician.

                                                                    indeed I am lol, but that means breaking his oath and it would hurt his reputation oh well I guess they're pirates anyway.

                                                                    nmah, the Minotaurus looks awesome in this chapter,but I had hoped he was the strongest of all those 4 demon guards.

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                                                                      I think the reason is simple: before Ace's capture, the government would need to go to the New World and face Whitebeard in his own territory. By executing Ace, the government is forcing Whitebeard to come to war.

                                                                      If it was as simple as setting a trap. Why not just capture a weaker member of WB's crew. The Marines could've easily done that but they want a trump card which is Ace. The reason why a weaker crew member lacks advantage aside from the the strategic advantage to that other than fighting on your own terms and the place. Is that WB crew is still as strong as before.

                                                                      A trap works at is best when you could limit your opponents overall fighting power which would work best is you capture one of their high ranking officers. Use a weak person as bait then you still have to deal with someone with Ace's fighting capabilities. But now with Ace captured they have limited WB overall fighting strength as well as gained a member in Blackbeard that is stronger than Ace. Using those two factors they decided that we should be able to take WB. Let's set a trap.

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                                                                        Or there's a antidote to Magellan's poison somewhere on L4. I would think that if Domino or Hannybal accidentally got affected by Magellan poison. They would have a antidote onhand to counteract his poison.

                                                                        i think the one prisoner than can potentially save the poisoned prisoners is crocodile. since crocodile can suck out your fluids and dry your body out then he should be able to do the same thing to somebody with poison in their body. in fact the reason why crocodile is where he is at may be just for that reason. mr 3, mr 2 and possibly mr 1 being with luffy by the time they get to where ace is at may also be so they can convince crocodile to save luffy or possibly other prisoners.

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                                                                          In the showdown in Lvl 4.

                                                                          Bentham "Strawhat, hurry on! I'll defeat this poison guy!"
                                                                          Luffy "No way! He's too strong for you!"
                                                                          Bentham "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!"

                                                                          Then:
                                                                          Bentham "Buggy!, Mr. 3! You're not supposed to leave…!...
                                                                          Buggy"Then exactly what am I supposed to do?... huh?...

                                                                          3 days later, random pirate named Jack screams to Buggy and Mr. 3 "We have to go back!, WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!!!!"

                                                                          LMFAO
                                                                          I'd probably lose it from all that epicness, then laugh uncontrollably.

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                                                                            Well…I'm glad to know you and people who share your belief will enjoy the upcoming battle against Magellan.

                                                                            I'm also surprised so many people such little faith in Luffy's strength. It's weird after having read the manga up to this point and seeing everything he's fought against already.

                                                                            I will be glad to hear what kind of technique he can use to beat magellan? Stop breathing and jet bazooka? Or do you just have faith in him? As AlmostLegendary said it would be a good fight where luffy might try something new. But if he continues with his actual techniques he will fail unless you have ideas? Even with the others strength combined it would be impossible. Mr.3s Df power won't work there because of the intense heat. Therefor they are all exposed to the poison.

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                                                                              Am I the only one who found learning Mr. 2 and 3's real names one of the highlights of this chapter? 'Cause that was pretty damn cool, from my perspective…!

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                                                                                Mr.2 - Hi my name is Bentham
                                                                                Duval: Wut u call me Handsome?

                                                                                uhh just don't breathe isn't enough against Magellan since his a poisonman remember? there's alot of different poisons out there.

                                                                                "May The Haki Be With You…."

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                                                                                  Cool chapter.

                                                                                  I doubt Luffy can beat them in level 4 alone with brute force. He is just too weak already. So he needs one or two prisoners to join him and haki will solve the problem i guess.

                                                                                  What I did never understand is this poison thing. In their fight Crocodile touched Luffy with poison. Is Luffy immune against poison?

                                                                                  thanks, regards

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                                                                                    • Bentham impersonates a prison guard and "captures" the rest of the gang.

                                                                                    • Magellan hands him the keys to the lower level and sends him off to lock them up.

                                                                                    • Original prison guard runs into Magellan O_O

                                                                                    • the ID staff arrives just in time to witness Luffy unchaining Ace.

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                                                                                      • Bentham impersonates a prison guard and "captures" the rest of the gang.

                                                                                      • Magellan hands him the keys to the lower level and sends him off to lock them up.

                                                                                      • Original prison guard runs into Magellan O_O

                                                                                      • the ID staff arrives just in time to witness Luffy unchaining Ace.

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                                                                                      im not sure about the rest of your theory as i think sadie and the other beast will make the story more complicated, but i would be surprised if bentham didn't use his df powers. perhaps while luffy is fighting we will see bentham sneak off and release ace, just in time to save luffy from the chief.

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                                                                                        WB arrives and wrecks the whole place.

                                                                                        or Mr.2 sacrificing himself for the sake of Luffy by copying him and letting him be captured, i doubt that would happen tho since he really wants to see the Okama queen lol

                                                                                        "May The Haki Be With You…."

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                                                                                          Mr.2 Can still see iwa san and then decide to sacrifice himself for luffy. But that would be lame cause why would he do it again after alabasta? I mean he doesn't deserve to stay at ID.

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                                                                                            Am I the only one who found learning Mr. 2 and 3's real names one of the highlights of this chapter? 'Cause that was pretty damn cool, from my perspective…!

                                                                                            This!

                                                                                            and after browsing a bit I see his name has caught on rather quickly.

                                                                                            I had something else I was going to mention, but dessert is so much more important right now

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                                                                                              What makes you think that Ace/Crocodile/Jimbei or any of the other guys we've seen on that level were so ruthless/dangerous?

                                                                                              It should be a no brainer why the commander of the second division of the world's strongest man crew is considered to be evil. This is the WG were talking about here. They consider anyone evil who opposes them. Just think back at Ohara.

                                                                                              As far as Crocodile is concercerned, it should also be a no brainer because we're talking about one of the seven pirates that were acknowledged by the WG and he used that status to try to revive an Ancient Weapon. If harmless sholars like Clover & Co. are considered demons you can imagine what Crocodile has to be in the WG's eyes.

                                                                                              As for Jinbei, he's not a criminal yet but he's just there to change his mind. Of course because of his status he's going to be among the other monsters. Also his backstory to be a crewmate of the person that rampaged at Maryjoa won't be helpful if he is to lose his Shichibukai status.

                                                                                              I'm not saying that the Impel Down bounty level thing hold's no water. But obviously there's exceptions. I mean just imagine if Teach runs wild and gets imprisoned because of it. He has a bounty of zero Belly. Would you put him at Level 1 because of that, even if you are aware that he's powerful enough to take Flame Fist Ace down in a direct fight? No offense, but you'd be a fool if you'd do so with that information.

                                                                                              About Croc being in level 5 instead than 4… why was Mr.2 in level 3 instead of 2? His bounty was 32 milions.

                                                                                              This is also a no brainer. Those guys were imprisoned because they were BW agents. And if you put someone in prison because you consider this organisation a criminal organisation then of course you care about it's inner structure. That said, the ranking of the officer agents comes into play. And by that of course Mr. 2 is more dangerous then Mr. 3. This follows down the route as the Teach example from my previous paragraph. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to comprehend that concept.

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                                                                                                If it was as simple as setting a trap. Why not just capture a weaker member of WB's crew. The Marines could've easily done that but they want a trump card which is Ace. The reason why a weaker crew member lacks advantage aside from the the strategic advantage to that other than fighting on your own terms and the place. Is that WB crew is still as strong as before.

                                                                                                A trap works at is best when you could limit your opponents overall fighting power which would work best is you capture one of their high ranking officers. Use a weak person as bait then you still have to deal with someone with Ace's fighting capabilities. But now with Ace captured they have limited WB overall fighting strength as well as gained a member in Blackbeard that is stronger than Ace. Using those two factors they decided that we should be able to take WB. Let's set a trap.

                                                                                                I doubt that this is a trap.

                                                                                                Kurohige plan is very clear, he knew that someone from Shirohige crew was pursuing him and I am sure that he was playing with Ace from the beginning escaping from him, he didn´t want to fight against Ace because his objective was the Shichibukai position and not Ace.

                                                                                                Ace being defeated by Kurohige was something that was supposed to happen soon or later. The only difference is that they fought in Banaro Island and Kurohige plan was taking out anyone with a bounty of 100 milions or more and the best place for this work is Shabondy.

                                                                                                In other words, Luffy was very lucky that Ace and Teach made his fight in Banaro Island instead of Shabondy in front of Luffy and the other supernovas.

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                                                                                                  I doubt that this is a trap.

                                                                                                  Kurohige plan is very clear, he knew that someone from Shirohige crew was pursuing him and I am sure that he was playing with Ace from the beginning escaping from him, he didn´t want to fight against Ace because his objective was the Shichibukai position and not Ace.

                                                                                                  Ace being defeated by Kurohige was something that was supposed to happen soon or later. The only difference is that they fought in Banaro Island and Kurohige plan was taking out anyone with a bounty of 100 milions or more and the best place for this work is Shabondy.

                                                                                                  In other words, Luffy was very lucky that Ace and Teach made his fight in Banaro Island instead of Shabondy in front of Luffy and the other supernovas.

                                                                                                  you do both realise that Blackbeard wanted ace to join his crew, he was after Luffy because he was seen as a great threat, and would have been a better bargaining chip then ace, because capturing Luffy wouldn't invoke the wrath of the strongest man alive….....WHITE BEARD!

                                                                                                  also i think it would have been better for ace to be on Shabondy when the fight happened because kizuru probably wouldn't let Blackbeard do it, as well as Raliegh stepping in, and pretty much everyone getting caught up in the fray, it might have allowed more of the supernovas to escape in the confusion also,

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                                                                                                    I doubt that this is a trap.

                                                                                                    Kurohige plan is very clear, he knew that someone from Shirohige crew was pursuing him and I am sure that he was playing with Ace from the beginning escaping from him, he didn´t want to fight against Ace because his objective was the Shichibukai position and not Ace.

                                                                                                    Ace being defeated by Kurohige was something that was supposed to happen soon or later. The only difference is that they fought in Banaro Island and Kurohige plan was taking out anyone with a bounty of 100 milions or more and the best place for this work is Shabondy.

                                                                                                    In other words, Luffy was very lucky that Ace and Teach made his fight in Banaro Island instead of Shabondy in front of Luffy and the other supernovas.

                                                                                                    Nope, Blackbeard was originally after Luffy. He even said step one to the fall of WB involves turning Luffy in to the WG. So, Ace just happened. He fought Ace because after ace rejected joining his crew Ace told him he's not going to let him continue to go after Luffy since Luffy's his brother. BB had no idea the two where related. Ace is going to protect Luffy, so he really had no choice but to fight him. He also wanted revenge for killing Sachi so he was killing two birds with one stone. BB wasn't playing around with Ace. He even told his crew not to fight Ace because he was beyond them. Even before the two big fire/shadow attacks that decided the battle, BB once again asked Ace to join his crew. Telling us once again, Ace wasn't a part of his plan but Luffy was. But hey now that Ace is there defeated why not turn him in. Like I said Ace was just a coincidence.

                                                                                                    BB involvement in Ace's execution is unknown. He could've egged it on but whether the WG is actually going to execute Ace is up to them. BB doesn't command the WG's troops or has any power in revoking the other 6 Shichibukai's titles if they don't join the war. Hell the WG didn't even need to make BB a Schichibukai yet if they didn't want to. We do know he used him to get his Shichibukai status. Originally he planned to use Luffy. Hell he's been chasing Luffy after he found out his bounty was 100m post Jaya. Him encountering Ace was a coincidence. He never planned to face Ace there. Do you even know what a trap is? The WG is using Ace's execution to lure WB out to the middle of the Marine's main HQs (marineford) and are gathering all of their best fighters (including the Admirals and the Schichibukai) to ambush WB when he arrives. That definetly sounds like a trap to me.

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                                                                                                      Wow, Foxy joining this team would be awesomeness incarnate!

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                                                                                                      This is totally Epic!!! It's settled, they're sending ID straight to the seventh circle of hell and back with this move. LOL 😁

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                                                                                                        What I did never understand is this poison thing. In their fight Crocodile touched Luffy with poison. Is Luffy immune against poison?

                                                                                                        Luffy is definitely not immune to poison. He was clearly feeling the effects of Croc's poison, and was almost killed by it. Luckily Robin had the antidote to the poison and saved Luffy.

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