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Ah. Frankly I wouldn't say all the future. Their foretellings are a bit more complex, but still very vague. I mean the foretelling Tuon had didn't say much, just gave clues about mat.
From what I got thier foretelling isn't stronger or more accurate then the white tower's but it is much more common. They may be able to trigger it, but I don't think they can pick what they get.
Your daily heaping helping of haggis.
Hey, I don't want to read too much of the thread since I don't want to get spoiled, but I just want to say I was looking for some new books to start reading. I had heard good things of this series in the past and saw this thread here at AP. I figured if many One Piece lovers enjoy WoT, it must be worth checking out.
So about 2 weeks ago I picked up Eye of the World and got started. My only problem with starting this series is the intimidating length. I figured I'd give Eye of the World a good 100 or so pages to see if it could capture my interest in that time; if not I would have likely just stopped reading. Well, as I expected, the first few chapters were somewhat slow, but as soon as the Trollocs attacked Rand and Tam I was hooked. I've spent most of my free time since reading and I'm now a good quarter of the way through The Great Hunt and not letting up yet.
Just want to thank you guys for getting me to start this, should keep me occupied the next several months!
@Capt:
Frankly I wouldn't say all the future. Their foretellings are a bit more complex, but still very vague.
I think you misread what I wrote. Tuon said that all damane can read your fortune. I didn't say damane can read all your fortune, just that all of them can read your fortune. Essentially, it's like healing, delving, making fire, making wind, etc. for any Aes Sedai; a common ability with the One Power. Where Aes Sedai and such believe Foretelling to be rare and unique to specific people, it would appear damane have a way of doing it to a degree at any given time. Or at least, that is what the statement – the the statements seeming foreshadowing -- made me think.
Ah I guess I did. Though I do feel that could be a overstatement on her part.
Seanchan seem to put a lot of faith in seeing the future then most people. Small things like counting the number of times a bird circles to tell when it storm, or dusting away a web without chasing away the spider will cause someone you know to die.
Yes, they are awfully superstitious.
Actually I was thinking about it during work today and I think I figured it out.
Aes Sedai tend to get well rounded training in healing, diplomancy, research and combat then they pick the color that suits them best. All in all they tend to be on thier own a lot, in small groups or just them and their warders. They needed healing to keep themselves going.
Damane are tools, weapons, or entertainment. Their only real training is following orders so they can only do a few things. The ones in the miltary are just plain artillery and even if they could heal they couldn't make a dent in the numbers of wounded, so they wouldn't and instead they would save their strength for the next battle. The ones for entertainment on the other hand naturally were taught tricks for foretelling.
Well, I think it was made obvious that because Aes Sedai aren't sprouting out children left and right, the blood/chance for a kid to be able to touch the One Power's pretty low unless you're from some "hidden away from the world" village in the back ass end of nowhere. So there is something to do with blood and breeding and all that. While Aes Sedai hardly have any foretellers, the damane have a higher chance of being able to tell the future. Either that, or Tuon will believe anything if she thinks they can foretell.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
Right now I am on Path of Daggers. Did anyone else feel that the Seanchan are a bunch of dick holes especially in this one? They are douches altogether, they talk about having happy lives while they make other suffer in such a casual way it pisses me off.
Yes, they are. But then, they aren't as well. If we could just fuse their laws and practices with some other people…
I noticed no one said anything yet so maybe like me your just haven't noticed yet. A memory of light is finally due out this fall. Kinda.
It seems it's so huge they splitting it into the 3 books. A gathering storm is due out november 3rd and the next two (Shifting Winds and Tarmon Gai'don seem to be possible names) coming out in the fall of the following two years.
So a total of 14 books in 22 years. So thoughts?
Also some word about some comics and graphic novels due out in the meantime.
On one hand:
but
Would you rather one book that's 2.5x the size of the others?
Got to wonder how many people been reading it since 90? I only started it in 07 so this will be my first new book.
It's not the size of the book. It's the fact that I'll be 2011 till I can finally put this series to bed.
I probably started somewhere around 05/06, so this'll have been at least a 5 year commitment from me. And yes, at times it felt like a commitment.
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I started when the first one came out in paperback and the second was in hardback .
So about 18 years? That's impressive man.
The author has a twitter at http://twitter.com/BrandonSandrson Looks like the story is all but done and sent for production.
Edit: Wow been a while.
Well only a few weeks left. I found a review (there is spoilers but it doesn't say much) here http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=585
Also you can purchase the prologue as an e-book off of amazon.com for 2.99. I'm told it's over 100 pages. Also Tor.co is letting members (free and takes 30 seconds) read chapter one at http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=story&id=53532
I'm told chapter 2 is also somewhere though I haven't found it myself. Part of the e-book perhaps.
I doubt I buy the e-book, but I might read the chapter.
Hmm editing doesn't bump does it.
In case you only read the newest post
Wow been a while.
Well only a few weeks left. I found a review (there is spoilers but it doesn't say much) here http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=585
Also you can purchase the prologue as an e-book off of amazon.com for 2.99. I'm told it's over 100 pages. Also Tor.co is letting members (free and takes 30 seconds) read chapter one at http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=…story&id=53532
I'm told chapter 2 is also somewhere though I haven't found it myself. Part of the e-book perhaps.
I doubt I buy the e-book, but I might read the chapter.
hrm, almost here huh? In the past I've always just waited for the paperback edition, but its been so long since the last one… I dunno. Its still not the FINAL volume, so that eager anticipation isn't quite there...
Maybe if I start re-reading the series now I'll be through it after the paperback comes out... (in two or three years...)
I almost forgot about this…but anyway, based on wikipedia, the final book is going to be a three part thing. The first one will be here in a few weeks. the second will release in the 2nd half of 2010, and the last one will be in late of 2011
Yep. According to his website he already 61% though the next book.
Your daily heaping helping of haggis.
@Capt:
Yep. According to his website he already 61% though the next book.
…I thought he was through the entire thing before they decided to divy it up?
Oii. that means those release dates aren't actually guaranteed.
Fun.
Considering how far he is already, I'm not worried about the timeframe.
After all according to his tweeter he finished gathering storm in April, should be no prob for him to finish the first draft and go though it a few times with the editors.
Time to revive this thread.
The prologue and first two chapters of the gathering storm have been released and the new author is acceptable.
The gathering storm will be released in 16 days; mark your calendars.
Hey I revived it two days ago with this info. Don't steal my glory.
Who is your favorite and least favorite wheel of time character?
Favorite: Mat and Perrin.
Least Favorite: Galad
Have any of you ever noticed how dislikable the female protagonists within the series are? The are easier stuck up and useless (Elayne), condescending, backstabbing, and manipulative (Egwene), insane (Faile), or stupid (All the Aes Sedai). My favorite women in the series are Lanfear, Min, Aviendah, and Berlain. I pretty much hate all the rest.
I actually have no real problem with any of them, I even like Falie who always seems to get a lot of hate.
What are your favorite quotes from the wheel of time?
Hmm prob what the snakes said when they sent off mat.
“Go to Rhuidean, son of battles! Go to Rhuidean, trickster! Go, gambler! Go!”
How do you guys think Tarmon Gaidon is gonna turn out? I'm personally hoping that Saidar gets tainted so the Aes Sedai get their just deserts (although that probably won't happen)
I suspect the one power (both male and female) will be sealed off. Oh and epic.
Who is your favorite and least favorite wheel of time character?
Favorite: Mat
Least Favorite: Rand
Fuck, Rand's an annoying twit.
@ahelk:
Have any of you ever noticed how dislikable the female protagonists within the series are? The are easier stuck up and useless (Elayne), condescending, backstabbing, and manipulative (Egwene), insane (Faile), or stupid (All the Aes Sedai). My favorite women in the series are Lanfear, Min, Aviendah, and Berlain. I pretty much hate all the rest.
I love Nynaeve, Faile, Tuon, Aviendah, and most of the Aes Sedai that are ACTUALLY conniving. Also, the fat one that I can't remember the name of at the moment.
@ahelk:
What are your favorite quotes from the wheel of time?
"We will toss the dice however they fall
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall
Then follow lord Mat whenever he calls
To dance with Jak O’ the Shadows "
I am also a whore for Lan and Nynaeve's love spats.
"I will never shame you. I will hate the man you choose because he is not me, and love him if he makes you smile. No woman deserves the sure knowledge of widow's black as her brideprice, you least of all."
@Capt:
Hey I revived it two days ago with this info. Don't steal my glory.
I suspect the one power (both male and female) will be sealed off. Oh and epic.
Sorry, I didn't read through the thread. all credit to you for reviving this thread.
So, by epic were you refering to the parodies, Tarmon Gaidon, or both?
I don't mind Faile as much despite her insanity, but I absolutely hate Egwene.
Another question, due you think Rand has realized Galad is his half brother? I wonder how hel'll react.
Excellent.
Tarmon Gaidon, though the parodies are worth a laugh.
Bad news for you then I belive storm will be a pretty big Egwene book
Shrug I doubt he does, and frankly I doubt it ever come up. If it does I don't think he really care, I doubt Galad made much of a impression on him in the 30 seconds they interacted.
Your daily heaping helping of haggis.
The Gathering Storm is out! Hurrah!
Right now all the reviews seem pretty much positive and apparently a LOT happens. Heck I can't even reach http://www.dragonmount.com/ message board.
Just picked it up.
765 pages. It's huge. No wonder they broke it up. Wish me luck.
Okay triple post, but considering how long it went between the three, I doubt anyone will mind.
Just about 5 and 1/2 weeks till towers of midnight come out. Thought I bring out the goodies to start the hype.
The Trailer which shows one of the things I been waiting for
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Here a non spoiler review http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/09/the-wheel-of-time-towers-of-midnight-advance-review
And if that ain't enough, Chapter 8 anyone? http://www.dragonmount.com/Books/Towers_of_Midnight/seven-striped-lass.php
They do trailers for books? Sweet!
Damn, I need to re-read from book 10 or so again.
Another, bit more spoilered review. http://www.dragonmount.com/index.php/News/tom/i-have-read-towers-of-midnight-r36
If you don't want to kick him in between the legs for just hinting enough to get you drooling then your not reading it right.
So I haven't touched the books since somewhere in 2009. In fact, according to my bookmarker I stopped around the time I opened this thread, still on book 10. For no reason that I can tell, I suddenly had the urge last night to pick up the books and start reading again; I spilled battery acid on book 10, which is why I stopped reading back then, so I ordered a new(er) copy. Checked the wiki and noticed book 13 came out a few weeks ago. Anyone pick it up? Thoughts?
yeesh, I forgot about this series too - mebbe any gift cards can help me pick up the last few books for Christmas
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
Most favorite charecter: Mat, I just love his charecter and hes chapters are always fun to read, the way he interacts with other people is always refreshing and her relationship with Tuon was really enjoyable to read.
Least favorite charecter: Elayne, I hate her with every f*ckin cell of my body. Words cannot descripe how much I have grown to despise her charecter, she was OK till she left Tear and she plummeted really fast and her chapters at Caemlyn were atrocitious and I just get so pissed when I see how much Jordan loves her charecter… seriously I could care less about her and Andor but I guess she will be ending up queen of entire world by the end of series... she should be killed or turned to damane for rest of her life…
Odd thing is that I really love Nynaeves charecter although she is quite good pals with Elayne, specially in latest book Nynaeve was damn awesome.
Most awesome thing in series: Charecters, there is perhaps too many of them but they are all very well done and their interactions are very nice. Some charecters you hate and some you cant help but root all time.
Most dissapointing: I agree that pacing can be tedious specially in later books but I think most critical flaw is current presentation of One Power. Channeling was really great concept at first books and I never though Moirane being too powerful, she was balanced and got tired quickly but now? Seriously is there any idea of having normal armys who use some pieces of metal to kill trollocs when handful of channelers can pop up anywhere instantly and incinirate entire armies and be back at dinner without sweat?
Diffrence of being able to channel and not being able in Wheel of Time is diffrence of being God and being ant… and now when channelers are popping up everywhere raising original number of thousand channelers to tens of thousands very quickly and making instant travelling a commodity its really making everything so convinient.
There is zero downside with One Power, its most convinient magic/force of any series up to date, it lengthens ones lifespan to hundreds of years, its instanst and requires no casting or other methods but can be used instantaneosly and it appears to be very easy to get accustomed.
Tarmon Gaidon? Instead huge clash of armies I think its just line of channelers standing in line and wiping entire Trolloc race in 5 minutes without breaking sweat.
I cant believe how much Darkfiends have screwed up, they could had claimed world anytime they wanted last 1000 years but suddenly because their passivity they can be wiped out any moment now.
So I haven't touched the books since somewhere in 2009. In fact, according to my bookmarker I stopped around the time I opened this thread, still on book 10. For no reason that I can tell, I suddenly had the urge last night to pick up the books and start reading again; I spilled battery acid on book 10, which is why I stopped reading back then, so I ordered a new(er) copy. Checked the wiki and noticed book 13 came out a few weeks ago. Anyone pick it up? Thoughts?
Towers of midnight (especially if your mat or perrin fan) is in my eyes the best book yet.
I am so psyched for the final book now.
Read faster! Faster!
Just picked up The Gathering Storm from the library. Shall read now.
Got a thousand books on my nook from a friend while here in Afghanistan and this series was on it. My new favorite series by far. So sad that Memories of Light isn't coming out until 2013. It's going to be a long 11 months.
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.
Got a thousand books on my nook from a friend while here in Afghanistan and this series was on it. My new favorite series by far. So sad that Memories of Light isn't coming out until 2013. It's going to be a long 11 months.
Pft. I've been reading the series for almost 13 years (and some poor saps since the very beginning!) We were there when the author DIED while writing the final book! 11 months is nothing.
Guess I need to get around to picking up the paperbacks of the last two book tho, if the finale is impending. It'll probably take me nearly that long to get around to reading them.
I wish I had found out about the series sooner. Then again it made like 3-4 months seem to go by quicker with something to do in my downtime.
Got a thousand books on my nook from a friend while here in Afghanistan and this series was on it. My new favorite series by far. So sad that Memories of Light isn't coming out until 2013. It's going to be a long 11 months.
Have you read New Spring? If not then that's a way to make the wait more bearable (or push it off for a little while yet). But yeah, eleven months is nothing 
Yeah, I actually read New Spring before any of the others which I kind of regret because it makes you look at a couple of the characters a lot different when you go through the books.
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.
Yeah, I actually read New Spring before any of the others which I kind of regret because it makes you look at a couple of the characters a lot different when you go through the books.
That is true. I always start with it now when I do a reread because of chronology but I don't really think that it's a good entrance to the story. You are just expected to know some stuff and seeing lots of characters 20 years earlier than how you already knew them is definitely fun.
! Especially reading about Moiraine after her incident, for obvious reasons.
@RobbyBevard:
Pft. I've been reading the series for almost 13 years (and some poor saps since the very beginning!) We were there when the author DIED while writing the final book! 11 months is nothing.
Guess I need to get around to picking up the paperbacks of the last two book tho, if the finale is impending. It'll probably take me nearly that long to get around to reading them.
I've been reading for about 4-5 years now. I think I stopped somewhere around book 6….Personally, I feel starting out with it might be a good thing since I feel like reading through every book can get pretty tiring from book 1-10 or 11.
Series seems better on the second read-through.
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.
Well, that was a random bump.
Series seems better on the second read-through.
I'm going through it for the second time myself right now, (My first re-read since I started the series in college… so... 13 years now since I originally read the first book.) in preperation for the final book coming out in January. I'm in the middle of Fires of Heaven right now, I've fallen a bit behind my intended schedule of two a month.
Its not so much that its better the second time through, really it can't be since you know where the plot twists and character developments are... but more because you have a better grasp on all the character names, the places, and what direction some arcs are going... in some cases THOUSANDS of pages in advance. On a first read through that's really awkward, especially when Martin slowed the pace to a crawl by focusing on too many characters starting around book 6 or.
In my reread on book five, I'm ASTONISHED at how many plot threads are started that get dragged along and dangled and aren't resolved till Brandon Sanderson stepped in for book twelve! Even minor things! There's just too many characters and side plots eventually. Min makes a foretelling about two characters and its not dealt with for 7 books, 6,000 pages later! Some stuff about Matt was hinted at as far back as the second book and it still hasn't happened. There's foreshadowing and then there's ridiculous. The BIG plots like
! The breaking of the tower or the Seanchan invasion, or any of the Dragon related stuff I understand not resolving till near the end, (though the tower should not have taken nearly so long) but some of the little character things? Whole series totally spiraled out of control. Gathering Storm and a fresh writer to go in and edit was exactly what the series needed.
Yes, Martin's death was a shame, but I don't know that he had it in him to ever wrap it up at remotely the pace Sanderson is doing.
I look forward to the end though. I still haven't read Towers of Midnight at all, so I'll get a great big huge chunk of new material when I get to the end, hopefully right around January.
Anyone read any of Brandon Sanderson's other work? I'm probably going to pick up some of his books after Wheel finishes.
I actually remember skipping hundreds of pages in a book just to get to the part in the story that continued the character's plot rather than switching to another one.
I actually remember skipping hundreds of pages in a book just to get to the part in the story that continued the character's plot rather than switching to another one.
I have a feeling I'll be skimming heavily when I get to Crossroads of Twilight. That one spent nearly the entire book on a single day! A day where the most significant event was covered as the climax of the previous book! Yes, important things happened as a result of that, but… an entire 800 page book mostly dedicated to a single day from like 80 random viewpoints of completely tertiary characters. A bit much.
Lol, true enough. You do already know most of the major twists, but it's still nice to pick up a lot more of the foreshadowing and details. Min's first conversation with Rand is also pretty hilarious on the second read through. One of the other things though that is mentioned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in the beginning is Min's foretelling of Rand with a beggar's staff. I just finished up Fires of Heaven and am about to start book 6 after playing Borderlands 2 for a bit.
Yeah, the very first volume was the most interesting to re-read, because the characters were SO different at the start and SO much foreshadowing was dropped in.
It was also kind of awkward because the entire main cast were a bunch of country bumpkins that didn't know anything about the world and had to be told even the most basic of details about the world that you already know.
