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Of the potential opponents Luffy may face, so far, we have Smoker, Aokiji and Lucchi. These are opponents where we know (or at least have a partial idea of) their abilities. We've also seen so far in the manga/anime, Blackbeard, and the other Marine admirals, but we have no idea what their abilities may be, so it'd be pointless to discuss ways Luffy may defeat them. So for those 3 previously mentioned, where their powers have already been revealed, how will Luffy defeat them? What for example might Luffy use to counter, Aokiji's ice, or Smoker's smoke, etc…

A possible counter to Aokiji's ice abilities, might be salt (an ingredient many of you may have used before to melt ice during the winter). Luffy might use salt/sea water to defeant Aokiji, but that would, IMO, end up being too gimmicky and lame, since Luffy already used water (albeit this time it would be salt water) to defeat Crocodile. Another (obvious) counter to Aokiji's ice ability, of course, would be fire. So how might Luffy utilize fire to defeat Aokiji? One cool possilibility (cool at least IMO), would be for Luffy to create a punch so fast, that it ends burning up the air around his fist, like how an meteroid burns up once it enters the Earth's atmosphere. It might be possible for Luffy to stretch his arms far enough (perhaps even into space!) to give his punch enough velocity for a burning fist. And since fire is an obvous counter to ice, a flaming fist attack would have the added benefit of suppressing Aokiji's ice abilities so that he doesn't crumble into ice pieces and reassemble.

As for Smoker, the only counter I can think of for smoke is air. A way for Luffy to utilize air to defeat smoker, may rely on the same principle I discussed above for defeating Aokiji - and that is a really fast punch. However, this time, that punch would be used to massively compress air onto Smoker's body, causing an enormously damaging impact, without Luffy's fists actually touching Smoker's body. Also, the punch can't be as fast as the Gomu Gomu flaming fist attack discussed above, since that would end up burning the air around Luffy's fist rather than compressing it. So it has to be fast enough for a compressed air attack, but not so fast that the air starts to burn.

As for methods that may be used to defeat Lucchi, this has already been discussed in another thread, so I'll not touch the subject here (plus I'm feeling a bit lazy and want to save myself some time typing :D). But, please feel free to discuss possible ways to defeat Lucchi in this thread anyway :D.

If anyone else comes up with other possible counters/methods for success for the above opponents mentioned (or other possible opponents not mentioned), please discuss them here. I'd very much like to read your ideas.

d3adpool

he won't…. i honestly don't think we'll see luffy vs aokiji or even luffy vs smoker. i am aware that he beat two logia already, but i just don't think he'll be able to do something against ice and smoke... my gut tells me it will be a more "diplomatical" way off.

on a side note:
i think raftel will be seastone rich ^^ wich would help luffy fighting any crazy logia user

neostar8710

but seastone like drains devil fruit powers..so wouldnt luffy be affected by that also?…

gomu_gomu_man

i think we can't really say it now, because i think oda will find some interesting move for luffy to beat aokiji and smoker you know it just like when luffy fight enru, i never remember if rubber is an isolator untill oda put it in his manga :lol: so i think it's hard to know now how luffy defeat his opponen right now :lol:

wintergt

I doubt if he's gonna fight Ao Kiji.. he is too much of a 'good guy' to be beaten (and hence humiliated) by Luffy. Same for Smoker.

Sanze

yes i agree, Aokiji & Smoker are a good guy …..... good guy shouldn't
fight another good guy ..... i hope not

Smoker only chase Luffy because he is a pirate, but if there's a bigger
problem come in to the picture, then he will stop chasing Luffy for a while
(example : Crocodile)

same as Aokiji .... i think ...... i hope so

Well, Aokiji is not a good person enough not to try and kill Nico Robin quite hard. Not necessarily a trait of a good person to go around and kill people without a fair trial. And Smoker…hm, with so many pirates going around and killing innocent villagers, pillaging and creating a random havoc, he had to pick on Luffy and his crew of 5 (at the time) to chase around oceans. Not exactly beneficial to anybody really (except the story) and I don't really see that as making him such a samaritan either. Unless it's cause he let him go in the end or cause he keeps saying 'eat shit' to his superiors?

EDIT: As for Luffy beating Aokiji with saltwater...um, he's a DF user, kinda impossible to use saltwater for him. Actually since the theme of the whole OP thing is friendship, working as a team, I would rather not see Luffy beating each and every powerful opponent there is. An obvious way to fight Aokiji is to get helped by his older brother, if there will be the need to fight at all.

gomu_gomu_man

there is no way the marine will become friend with pirate you know <_<

I thought Luffy and Coby are friends?

If you're replying me: you don't need to be a friend not to kill someone. There's such thing as an arrest. Um, even Spandam didn't kill anybody yet and he certainly seems to be a loony, creepy, sleazy villain

Wait… wait a sec...

I agree that probably wonÂ´t be a main fight Luffy X Smoker

But AoKiji!? AoKiji is the main villain in this point! Luffy MUST face him mano a mano again! I donÂ´t care how, I trust in Oda. But the battle canÂ´t be avoided. HeÂ´s the man behind the whole CP9 thing. The meeting in Long Ring Long caused all things. We may not forget that Spandam have been quiet for 8 years (or more, i canÂ´t remember). AoKiji gave him the right over Buster Call. Then he became fearless and gave the order to CP9. The fight is set. When the SH arrive in Marine Headquarters. Luffy MUST fight AoKiji, and probably Zoro and Sanji will take care of the other two Admirals, Usopp will take Sengoku, And Nami will fight Crane, And Chopper, Garp:lol: ThatÂ´s the way it goes in One Piece. Reckless Strawhats!!!!! Down with the Marines!!!!!

Sanze

i don't know man …. i think the main villain in W7 arc is spandam & Lucci
and i don't think we'll see Aokiji any time sooner

maybe Aokiji is not a good guy but he's just doing his job and he don't use a cheap
trick like Spandam

when Luffy challange him in one-on-one fight, Aokiji knows that he can not after
Luffy's crew anymore cause it's not honorable, so he didn't do that ..... and i don't
think that kind of person is the one behind the "framing strawhat" trick

yes he give permission for CP9 to use buster call, but that "framing stawhat" cheap
trick probably Spandam's idea ..... i think well that's just my opinion

for W7's arc, forget about Aokiji just get those CP's a$$hole first

sorry about my english

Monkey.D.Luffy 0

Wooo!!! Everybody give it up for Sanze!!!!!!!!

Buccaneer

_Originally posted by LogiaUser+Jun 13 2005, 03:15 PM–>QUOTE(LogiaUser @ Jun 13 2005, 03:15 PM)Well, Aokiji is not a good person enough not to try and kill Nico Robin quite hard. Not necessarily a trait of a good person to go around and kill people without a fair trial.

Didn't he simply decide to take her out? And had it not been for what he did in Alabasta, I'm positive that Luffy would have been killed by Aokiji.

EDIT: As for Luffy beating Aokiji with saltwater…um, he's a DF user, kinda impossible to use saltwater for him. Actually since the theme of the whole OP thing is friendship, working as a team, I would rather not see Luffy beating each and every powerful opponent there is. An obvious way to fight Aokiji is to get helped by his older brother, if there will be the need to fight at all.
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Putting my beliefs on DF users and water aside, it's not impossible for him to use his hands once wet with saltwater. You'd think that being a pirate that sits on the head of the ship, he'd get splashed all the time. Simply having the stuff on him can't be enough to stop him.

And Luffy would never, ever lean on his brother in a fight, or pass his fight to his brother. The dish is "friendship," but the flavor is "masculine."

@Jun 13 2005, 04:02 PM
Um, even Spandam didn't kill anybody yet and he certainly seems to be a loony, creepy, sleazy villain
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_He "seems." We don't know anything about him. He could've killed a dozen criminals personally.

But with all that said, I've no idea how he can beat Smoker or Kiji. I'll leave it up to Oda to suprise me. However, Lucci is definite, and coming up soon. What I really hope is that Luffy uses counters and other decisive punches that'd take someone not expecting them. Though I don't think Oda has all that much faith in his physical strength…_

Roman Zaenom

Wait a minute… Sea water doesn't remove a DF user's powers, but physical strength. In Alabasta, Luffy had his feet in water and his neck could still stretch, though he felt weak. Same thing in Arlong Park : his head stretched though he was under water.

So, sea water on Luffy wouldn't prevent him from stretching or fighting, but he would feel weak. And when in water, he's so weak he can't move. But I doubt that would help against Ao Kiji...

Imagine a logia fruit user of air. He could surround himself with air in the sea, and though he wouldn't be able to move, would survive a few days with his power only. Now, imagine Ao Kiji falling in the sea. He would just create ice on his feet again and again until it carries him to the surface, without using physical strength...

Flaw in Oda's rules or future plot device?

Buccaneer

Don't think so. Logia powers are activated, which requires some sort of effort, which is impossible when submerged.

Luffy may feel weak with one part in water, but I doubt a hand with only a coat of it could do much to him.

I sincerely doubt SH will be beating up admirals all at once or any of them like that anytime soon. Unless OP ends in 20 chapters or so.

_Originally posted by Minatomo-san+Jun 13 2005, 08:51 AM–>QUOTE(Minatomo-san @ Jun 13 2005, 08:51 AM)Wait... wait a sec...

I agree that probably wonÂ´t be a main fight Luffy X Smoker

But AoKiji!? AoKiji is the main villain in this point! Luffy MUST face him mano a mano again! I donÂ´t care how, I trust in Oda. But the battle canÂ´t be avoided. HeÂ´s the man behind the whole CP9 thing. The meeting in Long Ring Long caused all things. We may not forget that Spandam have been quiet for 8 years (or more, i canÂ´t remember). AoKiji gave him the right over Buster Call. Then he became fearless and gave the order to CP9. The fight is set. When the SH arrive in Marine Headquarters. Luffy MUST fight AoKiji, and probably Zoro and Sanji will take care of the other two Admirals, Usopp will take Sengoku, And Nami will fight Crane, And Chopper, Garp:lol: ThatÂ´s the way it goes in One Piece. Reckless Strawhats!!!!! Down with the Marines!!!!!
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Agree 100%. Aokiji has made an appearance and that's it for a while.
As for Aokiji being good/bad guy…well depends on how you put it. I don't see it necessary that bad guys should be dishonorable as well. Aokiji has a high moral code, very true. But he would still kill any/all of the SH if it wasn't for Luffy's "trick". In the frame of OP story, that makes him a bad guy, as far as I am cconcerned. Smoker promised to chase them till he caught them. That seems fair enough. Aokiji would freeze Nico Robin and step on her in order to break her. That...is killing. Not nice.

Originally posted by Sanze@Jun 13 2005, 09:30 AM
**i don't know man …. i think the main villain in W7 arc is spandam & Lucci
and i don't think we'll see Aokiji any time sooner

maybe Aokiji is not a good guy but he's just doing his job and he don't use a cheap
trick like Spandam

when Luffy challange him in one-on-one fight, Aokiji knows that he can not after
Luffy's crew anymore cause it's not honorable, so he didn't do that ..... and i don't
think that kind of person is the one behind the "framing strawhat" trick

yes he give permission for CP9 to use buster call, but that "framing stawhat" cheap
trick probably Spandam's idea ..... i think well that's just my opinion

for W7's arc, forget about Aokiji just get those CP's a$$hole first

sorry about my english
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@Jun 13 2005, 12:41 PM
Didn't he simply decide to take her out? And had it not been for what he did in Alabasta, I'm positive that Luffy would have been killed by Aokiji._

_By "taking out" you mean deep-freezing and stomping on her while frozen? If that won't kill you, don't know what would. Of course you can say, ah, it's One Piece where noone ever dies

And Luffy would never, ever lean on his brother in a fight, or pass his fight to his brother. The dish is "friendship," but the flavor is "masculine."

Noone says anything about Luffy leaning on somebody to fight his fights. There can always be a set of circumstances that would justify it. Didn't Ace fight Smoker so the SH could escape, after Luffy found out he can't possibly do it himself?_

Buccaneer

Originally posted by LogiaUser+Jun 13 2005, 10:42 PM–>QUOTE(LogiaUser @ Jun 13 2005, 10:42 PM)

Ivotas

As far Aokiji being the next big antagonist is concerned, I disagree here. IÂ´m sure that if it goes that way that the Strawhats literally take down the three Supreme Admirals, Aokiji will be the last one whoÂ´s going to be taken out.
OK heÂ´s the only one of the three weÂ´ve seen so far but that doesnÂ´t prove nothing. Mihawk was the first Shichibukai weÂ´ve seen while the other six remained as a silhouette. Other then that it took a huge number of manga volumes until the first Shichibukai was taken down. And that was Crocodile. The next ones will probably be Bear and Doflamingo so this could mean that while three Shichibukai are down the first one weÂ´ve ever seen remains unharmed. And probably Mihawk will be the last one to be taken down.
ItÂ´s just an example that shows that Oda doesnÂ´t follow the pattern on where the first one who is shown will be the first one to be taken down.

On a side note, I was theorizing with a friend of mine on how Luffy could beat Aokiji and I was bringing the Luffy-using-salt comment on where he mentioned that once Luffy chose his oppenent he will do everything to himself just to beat the enemy even if it means that he has to put his own hands on fire in order to hit Aokiji.
Well as strange as it sounded it certainly would fit LuffyÂ´s character to do such a crazy thing. DonÂ´t know how exactly he would do it but it could work.

Phlemingo

Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 13 2005, 08:39 PM
**Don't think so. Logia powers are activated, which requires some sort of effort, which is impossible when submerged.

Luffy may feel weak with one part in water, but I doubt a hand with only a coat of it could do much to him.
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Logia and Zoan powers are activated while Paramecia df users have their bodies permanently altered, therefore their form is still that of the df fruit even underwater, though they cannot move. Paramecia powers are mostly initiated by the human muscle anyway… so they aren't activated. Logia and Zoan are different in this aspect, so I doubt anyone has a chance to survive longer than he can hold his breath underwater if he has a df. XP

wintergt

As for Luffy beating Aokiji with saltwater

Not saltwater, plain salt. It's why they put in on the road after it has snowed, cuz it prevents ice from forming (well technically it just lowers the freezing point further - but I doubt Oda will deal with such technicalities.. I mean, in practice the high power of eneru's lightning would have easily melted the isalotor rubber)

**Wait… wait a sec...

I agree that probably wonÂ´t be a main fight Luffy X Smoker

But AoKiji!? AoKiji is the main villain in this point! Luffy MUST face him mano a mano again! I donÂ´t care how, I trust in Oda. But the battle canÂ´t be avoided. HeÂ´s the man behind the whole CP9 thing.**

I highly doubt it. Remember, Ao Kiji spared Luffy's life, not because he didn't have time to finish him or b/c he thought he had him (like Crocodile, a true evil guy) but b/c of his code of honor. Also, yes he wanted to take out Nice Robin, but after the challenge from Luffy, he decided to be honorable and not chase after her, which he could have done easily. I doubt Oda would feature such a guy as the main villain. And besides, the real main villain has already been presented, and it's Spandam. He has all the evil characteristics that make it necessary to get his ass kicked. Atleast that's the vibe I'm getting from the story right now. Ao Kiji is more like Smoker. An honorable guy who just happens to be on the other side of the law than Luffy.

But like I said, it's the vibe I'm getting. I'm not entirely sure.. but tell me, which villain that Luffy has beaten before has had such a code of honor as Ao Kiji?

(plus he's too cool a guy to get beaten :P)

Phlemingo

Plus, see how nice Ao Kiji is when he helps the stranded people (anime) old man (manga).. and the way he says sorry to dolphins. xD

gomu_gomu_man

Originally posted by Minatomo-san@Jun 13 2005, 05:51 PM
**Wait… wait a sec...

I agree that probably wonÂ´t be a main fight Luffy X Smoker

But AoKiji!? AoKiji is the main villain in this point! Luffy MUST face him mano a mano again! I donÂ´t care how, I trust in Oda. But the battle canÂ´t be avoided. HeÂ´s the man behind the whole CP9 thing. The meeting in Long Ring Long caused all things. We may not forget that Spandam have been quiet for 8 years (or more, i canÂ´t remember). AoKiji gave him the right over Buster Call. Then he became fearless and gave the order to CP9. The fight is set. When the SH arrive in Marine Headquarters. Luffy MUST fight AoKiji, and probably Zoro and Sanji will take care of the other two Admirals, Usopp will take Sengoku, And Nami will fight Crane, And Chopper, Garp:lol: ThatÂ´s the way it goes in One Piece. Reckless Strawhats!!!!! Down with the Marines!!!!!
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i don't think they will fight ao kiji untill the very end, i guess
since ao kiji is one of the 3 strongest armidal on marine and luffy haven't event meet all the sicibukai. also rather than capture luffy why don't they capture the other pirate with the higer bounty ????? isn't it right?

Smoker

There's no way Luffy can beat Smoker B)

gomu_gomu_man

Originally posted by Smoker@Jun 14 2005, 06:56 PM
There's no way Luffy can beat Smoker B)
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i think there must be some way to beat him :huh:
just can't think about it right now
just like crocodile, at first no one can hit him but when they use water they can hit him and defeat him :lol: so there must be some way

My idea on how Luffy will defeat Aokiji will be like this…Usopp may have invented a suit with a heat dial. When Luffy wears it, he will easily come back to his normal form when he is frozen.
Since they faced Aokiji before and lost. They should think on how to counter him the next time they meet again.

Buccaneer

Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 14 2005, 03:14 PM
**> As for Luffy beating Aokiji with saltwater

Not saltwater, plain salt. It's why they put in on the road after it has snowed, cuz it prevents ice from forming (well technically it just lowers the freezing point further - but I doubt Oda will deal with such technicalities.. I mean, in practice the high power of eneru's lightning would have easily melted the isalotor rubber)**

They use rock salt, which would be kinda weird on Luffy's hand. The water part of saltwater helps corrode ice.

**I highly doubt it. Remember, Ao Kiji spared Luffy's life, not because he didn't have time to finish him or b/c he thought he had him (like Crocodile, a true evil guy) but b/c of his code of honor. Also, yes he wanted to take out Nice Robin, but after the challenge from Luffy, he decided to be honorable and not chase after her, which he could have done easily. I doubt Oda would feature such a guy as the main villain. And besides, the real main villain has already been presented, and it's Spandam. He has all the evil characteristics that make it necessary to get his ass kicked. Atleast that's the vibe I'm getting from the story right now. Ao Kiji is more like Smoker. An honorable guy who just happens to be on the other side of the law than Luffy.

But like I said, it's the vibe I'm getting. I'm not entirely sure.. but tell me, which villain that Luffy has beaten before has had such a code of honor as Ao Kiji?

(plus he's too cool a guy to get beaten :P)
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Well, he can't be an ally, can he? He's directly standing in front of Luffy's dream. He's also the reason this entire thing in Water Seven is going down. Honor? Ohm had a strange sense of honor, and was beaten. Zoro's character lives to beat Mihawk, who was much more honorable than Kiji. If you think about it, he's totally okay with CP9 screwing Ice and destroying everyone in their way, because he's blackmailing Robin to help them. So yeah, he didn't get to where he is by just being nice.

Robin Stjernberg

Nice? Uhm, did you know that Nico is a criminal?

_Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 13 2005, 09:33 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 13 2005, 09:33 AM)Aokiji will be the last one whoÂ´s going to be taken out.
OK heÂ´s the only one of the three weÂ´ve seen so far but that doesnÂ´t prove nothing.
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Isn't Dai Buddha Lama also a Supreme Admiral? If so, we've seen him in the manga where we first met Doflamingo and Bear in the meeting to replace Crocodile. (In case you don't know, Doflamingo was screwing around and using his "puppet" power, but then we see Lama tell him to stop.)

@Jun 14 2005, 02:48 PM
Nice? Uhm, did you know that Nico is a criminal?
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_I think that was a typo.

*on a totally unrelated side-note (ignore if you want to): Yes! My 42nd post! 42=meaning of life=douglas adams's genius creation with his mad skills! Sorry, just needed to get that out. :D_

Ivotas

Originally posted by kai_toyama+Jun 15 2005, 12:37 AM–>QUOTE(kai_toyama @ Jun 15 2005, 12:37 AM)

Yea? So is Luffy. So are Shichibukai for that matter? Point?

Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg@Jun 14 2005, 08:48 PM
Nice? Uhm, did you know that Nico is a criminal?
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dewagila

imo, ruffy will just fight, and give punch for his enemy, i dont think ruffy will think about how to defeat them. as usual.

Solid

Originally posted by LogiaUser+Jun 15 2005, 04:55 AM–>QUOTE(LogiaUser @ Jun 15 2005, 04:55 AM)Yea? So is Luffy. So are Shichibukai for that matter? Point?

Sanze

hey now that you mention it …... if shinchibukai can be friend with the goverment
why can't strawhat ??? not that we wanted to fighting the authority is more fun :lol:

in Aokiji point of view, Robin is a very dangerous person as someone who can read
the blue print of the most dangerous weapon

and Robin is a pirate ... and she is part of strawhat so strawhat is probably a
threat to Aokiji too

mabe that's why Robin refuse to go with sogeking in ch.370 .... she probably
realize that she is a threat to stawhat with or without that buster call

NOTE to Buccaneer : maybe thats not what happen, maybe Aokiji is not
okay with Spandam using that cheap trick to get strawhat

maybe Spandam begging him for help … like : "OH please please mr. Aokiji ….
strawhat is soooo scary, please let me use the buster call to fight them !! i promise
i won't use a cheap trick"

i doubt it though … but it could be
i'm not defending Aokiji or anything, i just want to share my point of view

oh yeah …sorry about my english

thelousy

i'm a little late but…how does luffy beat enemies? he always sends them flying in the end

It was me, saying he's not such a "nice" guy for wanting to kill a "criminal" without prior trial. I'm still saying the same thing. The only marine/WG employee to be openly killing "criminals" so far was…hm, let's see, Captain Morgan? Now if you tell me he's a nice guy, I will ...well rest my case.

And to reply you directly: marines' duties include "killing" criminals/"criminals" on sight?

ps: By that I don't mean to compare the two in any way.

Originally posted by Solid@Jun 15 2005, 11:06 AM
I think he said that becasue people thought that Aokiji was evil becasue he attacked Robin, but Robin IS a criminal and it's Aokiji's duty to kill her. And the Shichibukais arent criminals anymore.
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Not necessarily. And some of those that go flying actually come back sometimes (like Krieg)

Originally posted by thelousy@Jun 15 2005, 11:42 AM
i'm a little late but…how does luffy beat enemies? he always sends them flying in the end
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thelousy

eh dude, try adding it together…anyway krieg flew into the ground ya he technically still flew

gomu_gomu_man

Originally posted by thelousy@Jun 15 2005, 08:42 PM
i'm a little late but…how does luffy beat enemies? he always sends them flying in the end
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Yea it's really original, every time he want to fight the bad guy he always say that :lol:

Sorry, I'm lazy collecting the quotes all around and I am trying to point out who and what I'm replying to.

Originally posted by thelousy@Jun 15 2005, 03:12 PM
eh dude, try adding it together…anyway krieg flew into the ground ya he technically still flew
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wintergt

Nice? Uhm, did you know that Nico is a criminal?

They're all pirates so yeah, obviously..

Buccaneer

_Originally posted by Robin Stjernberg+Jun 15 2005, 04:48 AM–>QUOTE(Robin Stjernberg @ Jun 15 2005, 04:48 AM)Nice? Uhm, did you know that Nico is a criminal?
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No way! Next you're going to tell me Luffy and Zoro are criminals, too.

Originally posted by Solid@Jun 15 2005, 07:06 PM
I think he said that becasue people thought that Aokiji was evil becasue he attacked Robin, but Robin IS a criminal and it's Aokiji's duty to kill her. And the Shichibukais arent criminals anymore.
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Whether or not the rest of the Straw Hats are considered criminals, they are her allies.

@Jun 15 2005, 07:38 PM
**NOTE to Buccaneer : maybe thats not what happen, maybe Aokiji is not
okay with Spandam using that cheap trick to get strawhat

maybe Spandam begging him for help … like : "OH please please mr. Aokiji ….
strawhat is soooo scary, please let me use the buster call to fight them !! i promise
i won't use a cheap trick"

i doubt it though … but it could be
i'm not defending Aokiji or anything, i just want to share my point of view

oh yeah …sorry about my english
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_I…..doubt it, too. Strongly. But hey, whatever.

And don't worry about your English._

I agree with all the posts that reckon Luffy may not necessarily have to fight Aokiji. I think that if the need for the fight arises, then a fight will be put in, but there's just so many characters that it wouldn't really be feasible for Luffy to fight them all.

Aokiji - Ice, Ace - Fire, what a pair up! I reckon that this'd be one of the fights I'd love to see. They are very clear arch nemesis (apart from the water guy in the 4th OP movie who, I think everyone will agree, was pretty weak and really didn't make as much use of his water skill as possible) and I wouldn't be too surprised if that battle does come along at some stage.

Despite that - in response to the actual theme of this thread:

Aokiji - salt would almost definitely be the main go here, being ice's weakness (but to whoever mentioned the heat dial suit - that's wouldn't be too surprising either).

Doflamingo - hahahaha, wouldn't it be brilliant if it turned out Doflamingo couldn't control Luffy because of Gomu Gomu no Baka.

Lucci - catnip. 'nuff said.

hanlesky

have you guys thought about…ice wont be able to break rubber???Rubber has speical elements that enables them to last longer...just like rubber wont be able to decompose on the ground just like gum it doesnt break apart and ice is not strong enough to break luffy. sure it will probably hurt luffy but he will just stand up and attack again. the fight against smoker luffy has to fight just like zoro has to fight that chick...luffy will probablly turn into a giant balloon and blow away smoker.

Slowymobile

ive got an idea… Luffy will stretch himself to be a super huge sling shot, and Ussopp will launch something at the bad guy:p

Gomu Gomu no Slingshot

that's bound to hurt :blink: