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[joekido the Second]

When I read chapter 369, when Wanze was introduced I felt something differant. We all know One Piece is a pirate story, when I read that chapter I felt the atmoshpere of the story is differant: Instend of being a pirate story One Piece is more of a freak show story reather then a pirate story! Isn't that strange? So far One Piece is getting stranger and stranger while I felt that One Piece is losing of what it use to be.

Don't get me worng, I like One Piece. But if we look back to the beginning in East Blue, Luffy often face differant pirates like Alvida, Buggy, Kuro, Kerig, and Arlong.

During the Baroque Work Arc they face the BW who are bounty hunters which is understanible enough, since bounty hunters fit in the pirate world. The olny "pirate" is Wapol(who is not really a pirate). Dorry and Borgy is a differant story.

During Skypiea Sega, Luffy only face Bellemy and and they could not face Blackbeard(because of the knock-up stream interupption, in Skypiea there was no pirates.

So far Foxy was currently the last pirate the Straw-Hat pirates faced, but when they entered Water 7 the series begun to 'lose' it's orgenial backstory.

Starting with Kokoro to Franky to Wanze the series seems to fouces with freakes reather then pirate, I'm worried that Oda may fouces on freak shows and not pirates. I'm I the olny one feeling this way?

[Akira]

Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jun 12 2005, 12:46 AM
Starting with Kokoro to Franky to Wanze the series seems to fouces with freakes reather then pirate, I'm worried that Oda may fouces on freak shows and not pirates. I'm I the olny one feeling this way?
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yeah, I think you are.

[joekido the Second]

Originally posted by Akira+Jun 11 2005, 11:49 PM–>QUOTE(Akira @ Jun 11 2005, 11:49 PM)

[CC ann]

I also realized those. But maybe its because the strawhats are now facing the government, so maybe thats why pirates arent focused yet.

ANd maybe Oda is just playing around with the characters of CP9…he does make many weird characters.

Hopefully more pirates will appear when they reach enneas lobby...(sorry if its wrong spelling)

[Knight]

Good point joekido the Second but maybe it's a change of pace from fighting pirates continuously, Oda tries to show the other perspective of being a pirate (fighting Marines).

However, in my opinion, there was no real harm in meeting and facing other people besides pirates. There's not fix set of rules that Luffy & the crew must only fight other pirates. For me, it'll be boring & repetitive

[Bounty1Berry]

Non stop pirates would indeed be repetitive. I would think that there will definitely be regions of the world with less, or no, pirates in play. I'd also expect the closer you got to the end of the series, the fewer other pirates will be around.

Reasoning: the closer to One Piece you get, the further from the normal pirate stomping grounds you are, and the greater the dangers. At some point, most crews will either turn around, or have to find new ways to continue the search, which might involve restructuring their behaviour into something non-pirate-like. If everyone's too strong to pillage in the traditional pirate way, why not convert to commerce, or starting a settlement and running searches out of it

[Valiantt]

Yeah, it does seem like Oda is sticking in A LOT more stranger looking characters, but you do have to admit that Oda DID create a lot of character designs and applies newer villians all the time. But, yeah the story would be repetetive if the strawhats only fought pirates (but don't worry, they will eventually fight more pirates or such…dont forget blackbeard, shichibukia, etc...)

[sanji-desu]

Well it does concern with the marines/government which is one of the vital things during the pirate age. But I do agree that one piece is turning stranger and stranger, but I like that and it's good enough for me.

[Ivotas]

Erm not really! I don´t take a story with clown pirates, butler pirates, floating restaurants, merman wearing Hawaii Shirts etc. as a common pirate story anyway.

Besides even in the "normal" pirate stories it is quite common to have adventure on divers island. Actually it is the same for One Piece, but since OP is a very large and complex ongoing story they can´t get to similar islands all the time. It would be very repetative. And just as I said it´s not like the One Piece World was discribed as a normal place in the first way so it doesn´t have to follow Earth stereotypes.

[sanji-desu]

I forgot to mention that when I was talking about the marines part, I meant this ark concerning about the blue prints as well.

[Love_cook]

Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jun 12 2005, 12:46 AM
Starting with Kokoro to Franky to Wanze the series seems to fouces with freakes reather then pirate, I'm worried that Oda may fouces on freak shows and not pirates. I'm I the olny one feeling this way?
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I'm disgusted at Wanze currently, but I didn't mention it before as Waze also has fans who thinks he's damn cool. -_- And Franky has huge fan base now (including me) Well, freak show is a bit of harsh expression, I think. When we have to face lots of scarier freaks in politics, business of real world.

I understand you like discovering new kinds of pirates and so do I. (Like Buggy) But if you have read one piece till now, why don't u trust him and enjoy the show? Nobody can force you to read it when you finally fed up with 'freak show'. And Oda is not gonna change the story line that he thought of because of some complaints. In my opinion, he's a rare genious, who puts in lots of behind lines that many of us can't even comprehend. Some writers start without knowing the ending, but I don't think he's one of them. I think he knows exactly where he's going, what he wants to express and what he wants to achieve by doing so. So that's it. If you don't like it, you can take a break a while and if you do, just be happy and not care about details like our hero Luffy.

[Günther]

op was always full of strange characters and never like a normal pirate story.
if you want a typical pirate story you should read something diffrent but not op.

[gomu_gomu_man]

hmmm i don't think it's difrent :huh:
i think oda just change the style of the story a little bit.
anyway it will be boring if they have all the same style in the wloe story doesn't it? :lol:

[Knight]

joekido the Second actually made me think of one thing.
So far, the One Piece saga or arcs has dealt with (in order of appearance): pirates, king/kingdom, angels/gods and recently marine/world government.
It will be interesting to see what Oda has in store next for the Strawhats.

One last thing, personally I don't see why people thinks Wanze as disgusting. We've seen Walpol and Mr.5 who had their share of shine. We should thank Wanze since we saw Sanji uses knife for the very firt time :D

[Mog]

No matter what characters are featured in the series, One Piece will always be One Piece, and that's what I love it for. I don't see the point in worrying about a certain character being a crazy cook rather than a crazy clown pirate, for example. It will always be One Piece. And besides, sticking only with pirate-themed stories and enemies in a story this long would only bog the whole thing down.

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, though, Franky turning out to be a cyborg did irk me to an extent.

[CC ann]

BTW, its true taht wanze was a weird character and we're getting more so called "FREAK"-like characters…but hey thats waht makes Oda a unique artist!

[CC ann]

Originally posted by Mog@Jun 12 2005, 08:18 PM
At the risk of sounding hypocritical, though, Franky turning out to be a cyborg did irk me to an extent.
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I also had that feeling too!

[gomu_gomu_man]

why many people think wanze character is freak??????
i think he is good because sanji use his new fighting techique to fight him which is cool :lol:
Go Sanji show wanze your cooking style is much better than him :lol:

[Günther]

Originally posted by CC ann@Jun 12 2005, 02:18 PM
… and we're getting more so called "FREAK"-like characters...

before puffing tom started his way to eneas lobby i had the feeling the w7 arc is the only arc with no freak characters.
i mean compared to other op characters the 5 galley-la main shiphwrights are pretty normal.
is it because franky is a cyborg what let you say hes a freak?thats nothing freaky i cant count the series and movies i have seen with cyborgs in it.
even the "puffing tom enemies" arent that freaky, only t-bone and wanze count to the freak characters, jerry and nero are normal in the op world.

[Soupster]

at the same time, it seems to me that one piece is moving farther and farther away from the stereotypical pirate fights with sword raiding and guns. Although some of the characters are strong enough that bullets wouldn't hurt them, many of them are not. It seems to me that the characters are getting more Freaky, in the sense they move away from the stereotypical pirate. (i.e. shank's crew)

[Himizujin_Eternia]

Oh, I've never even fallen into the trap of thinking One Piece is about Pirates. It's a superhero-style story that puts on the disguise that makes it appear piratey. Still good, though.

[gomu_gomu_man]

Originally posted by Soupster@Jun 13 2005, 01:03 AM
at the same time, it seems to me that one piece is moving farther and farther away from the stereotypical pirate fights with sword raiding and guns. Although some of the characters are strong enough that bullets wouldn't hurt them, many of them are not. It seems to me that the characters are getting more Freaky, in the sense they move away from the stereotypical pirate. (i.e. shank's crew)
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this what make me fall in love to one piece.
the pirate is not only fight using guns and sword but they use all other things to fight :lol:

[wintergt]

I seriously don't see your point (to the first post).. the fact that Wanze has shown up (a character I hate btw) demonstrates that it's all still very much the same. Maybe you've already forgotten how most of the people they met so far were basically freaks.. remember Wapol for example? The only difference is that now they're clashing with the marines instead of other pirates, which isn't much of a difference at all. I was actually quite pleasantly surprised that Oda hasn't lost his touch yet with the new w7 arc and how it is continuing now.. all very good.

[Zephos]

This is a series whose first major villain was a clown.
I rest my case.

[Hyper Dingo]

hmnmm yeah I really enjoy oda's imaginative and down right bizarre characters.

"People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven when you're down" -The Doors

[tanci]

One Piece has always had strange, flamboyant characters, and I wouldn't have it any other way :lol:

[Love_cook]

Originally posted by Hyper Dingo@Jun 12 2005, 12:15 PM
**hmnmm yeah I really enjoy oda's imaginative and down right bizarre characters.

"People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven when you're down" -The Doors
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…?! I love your quote. Where is it from? Movie or book? (sorry for off topic)

About the topic, I already posted my opinion. But I have this feeling that he had a bad day and was in need of complaint as I've seen him praising the recent chapter before. I could be wrong. But this is not the right place to complain about op, I think. People here read manga, watch anime and still have time to talk about it. This includes me...*suddenly depressed.

[TheTalentedMr.Sanji]

Its from a song called People are Strange. My favorite song by the Doors.

[ethereal_star]

I love all the characters, weird or not - it's just Oda's style, and I think that this current arc is not that bad. I have to admit that Wanze is really annoying, though. <_<

[Smokey_]

Originally posted by TheTalentedMr.Sanji@Jun 12 2005, 04:30 PM
Its from a song called People are Strange. My favorite song by the Doors.
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Thank u, thetalentedMr.Sanji <-I totally agree he's talented… :D

[Love_cook]

Originally posted by Smokey+Jun 12 2005, 05:00 PM–>QUOTE(Smokey_ @ Jun 12 2005, 05:00 PM)_

[gomu_gomu_man]

by the way, with kokoro, is some one relise she become shorter after she get old???? :rolleyes: her face become bigger now than it used to be :lol:

[wintergt]

I hate Wanze cuz he's butt-ugly.. thought it was an old woman first too.

And btw, those lyrics are really good indeed!

[RedShanks]

Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jun 12 2005, 12:46 AM
**Don't get me worng, I like One Piece. But if we look back to the beginning in East Blue, Luffy often face differant pirates like Alvida, Buggy, Kuro, Kerig, and Arlong.

During the Baroque Work Arc they face the BW who are bounty hunters which is understanible enough, since bounty hunters fit in the pirate world. The olny "pirate" is Wapol(who is not really a pirate). Dorry and Borgy is a differant story.

During Skypiea Sega, Luffy only face Bellemy and and they could not face Blackbeard(because of the knock-up stream interupption, in Skypiea there was no pirates.

So far Foxy was currently the last pirate the Straw-Hat pirates faced, but when they entered Water 7 the series begun to 'lose' it's orgenial backstory.
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You are right that they have fought pirates only during the minor arcs since they entered the Grand Line. But I think this is because the strawhats are already so powerful that they can beat "normal pirate crews" within a few chapters - in normal fights. For longer arcs and a more epic story, other organisations with more members and a clearer hierarchy might be necessary and it would less fun to make only pirates who are stronger than the previous ones.

[Sanze]

yeah i agree ….... beside Luffy IS the biggest freak in the story .... what ?? he is !!
there's nothing normal about him, so nothing suprise me anymore in OP :lol:

NOTE @ joekido the Second : in sky piea they hunt treasure …. that's very pirate to me :)

[dewagila]

in this story, may be oda is focused on

• new ship for mugiwara
• new crew
• and new bounty

[Kinai]

Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jun 12 2005, 07:46 AM
**When I read chapter 369, when Wanze was introduced I felt something differant. We all know One Piece is a pirate story, when I read that chapter I felt the atmoshpere of the story is differant: Instend of being a pirate story One Piece is more of a freak show story reather then a pirate story! Isn't that strange? So far One Piece is getting stranger and stranger while I felt that One Piece is losing of what it use to be.

Don't get me worng, I like One Piece. But if we look back to the beginning in East Blue, Luffy often face differant pirates like Alvida, Buggy, Kuro, Kerig, and Arlong.

During the Baroque Work Arc they face the BW who are bounty hunters which is understanible enough, since bounty hunters fit in the pirate world. The olny "pirate" is Wapol(who is not really a pirate). Dorry and Borgy is a differant story.

During Skypiea Sega, Luffy only face Bellemy and and they could not face Blackbeard(because of the knock-up stream interupption, in Skypiea there was no pirates.

So far Foxy was currently the last pirate the Straw-Hat pirates faced, but when they entered Water 7 the series begun to 'lose' it's orgenial backstory.

Starting with Kokoro to Franky to Wanze the series seems to fouces with freakes reather then pirate, I'm worried that Oda may fouces on freak shows and not pirates. I'm I the olny one feeling this way?
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They are fighting against the goverment, and it is a very logical thing for a pirates. Pirates don't fight only against others pirates (Buggy, Alvida), countries that try to pillage (Skypea), Bounty-hunteres (BW) and of course the goberment that try to stop pirates.
It is normal.

Kinai.

[Phlemingo]

Basically, they kick the asses of anyone who gets in their way, so what's so strange about them fighting anyone other thn pirates?

[Zephos]

They fought God.

Why is a ramen chef weird again?

[Kinai]

Originally posted by Zephos@Jun 15 2005, 09:50 PM
**They fought God.

Why is a ramen chef weird again?
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No God, it was only a title. A joke from Oda. :P

Kinai.

[Zephos]

Ener was as good as the real thing.

[gomu_gomu_man]

hmmm i think all of the story is related to the pirate things u know, pirate don't always fight each other, they can but if luffy crew always fight the other pirate it won't be verry interesting you know :( just like the movie called "pirate of the carrabian" i don't really like it :( the story is like one piece, but it just a bit boring.

[mazinkaiser]

One Piece has been weird from the start of Luffy's journey
What kind of pirate will actually go inside a barrel because of a whirlpool?
Devil Fruit powers are weird in the first place.

[GunMetalReloaded]

The story has to evolve and change. All stories are about a journey so the kinds of people they fight should be different. Otherwise, things get very repetitive.

As someone said earlier, when this arc started, many people were complaining that there weren't enough "crazy" characters in Water 7. It was TOO serious at that point with the Usopp/Luffy fight, Iceberg's attack, Robin's betrayal, and the revelation of CP9 as major bad@$$es. This arc started out on a downer but Oda is clearly lightening it up as the Straw Hats reunite and re-focus on getting Robin back. Since the arc has changed its direction, it is picking up steam and we've been introduced to more of the traditional "Oda" villians like Wanze and T-Bone. I don't see them as freakier than someone like Buggy or Bon Clay. They are very much in traditional Oda style.

As they get closer to Raftel, they are going to fight more and more powerful characters- Doflamingo, Blackbeard, Jimbei, etc. We should enjoy the goofier characters when they are around because, after this arc, Oda's going to have to start wrapping up alot of these dangling plots. I think the overall seriousness of Water 7 is just a taste of things to come. That's not to say there won't be anymore wackiness in the series but I definitely think the tone of the story will start to change as they face off against some of these "bigger bads" already introduced.

[joekido the Second]

You'r back Gunmetal Reload. Anyway, I agree the story changes a lot, I don't mind that, I just saying that it was strange but I don't mean its worng, just strange. But One Piece is a good story and it does not have to be "piraty". I just got a funny feeling when reading chapter 369, oh well.

[SanzenSekai]

Yes, i agree that Oda should tie up some of the many loose ends he has out there. I think if after the current arc, he goes into another giant arc, it will get very draggin because of the lack of development in the central storyline (shanks, whitebeard, blackbeard, ace, shichibukai, etc.)

Of course Oda never fails to deliver though.. so i guess all we have to do is wait a little longer!

[GunMetalReloaded]

Yeah, work and classes were a b!tch there for a bit. I'll be going away again to Japan for work in a couple of weeks. I just hope they'll have some cool Water 7 merchandise out by then! Wants a Franky and Paulie key ring!

I was hoping that Water 7 would end up tying more into that main story, SanzenSekai. It kind of has with the World Government and Pluton getting involved, but it's still only bits and pieces of information. Oda is still holding the majority of the plot close to his chest. He'd be a great Poker player!

Back on the subject though of the "weirder" characters… it's a shame T-Bone got taken out so early but he's a perfect candidate for a mini-story. Wanze is the "Satori" of Water 7- just too freaky, fat, and annoying. Can't wait until he's defeated. Though I LOVE Sanji using knives. He should use them every now and then but I suspect this will be a one-time deal.

[wolfwood]

he would probably only use a knife again if he were to face another guy who uses food as a weapon :lol:

[GunMetalReloaded]

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 22 2005, 02:12 PM
he would probably only use a knife again if he were to face another guy who uses food as a weapon :lol:
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Could "fish" be considered food? I just have visions of the 'All Blue' plot being tied into the inevitable Jimbei confrontation. "How do you like your whale shark cooked?" :lol:

[wolfwood]

hell yeah thought luffy would have to knock him out then sanji could cut him up and make shichibukai lunch boxes :lol: