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      gangstayonkou @Croy
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      @Croy:

      The only real issue is with Amazon Lily getting taken out and the route Oda wants to take and that route is his, and his alone. However the issue with leadership can be easily solved. She handed leadership over to her sisters while she was away. If she 'abandons' AL the sisters will just take up that mantle or someone else more determined to rule/help the people of Amazon Lily will take up the place instead.

      An issue with a dream can be rectified right before joining or in the climax of another arc. Most the people who claim Hancock is going to join (including me) don't think she is going to immediately join until she becomes the centerpiece or at least one of the centerpieces in another arc where she will cement herself. None of the strawhats simply joined, they all had to have something that made it clear they were with the crew through the end of it. Both Hancock and Jimbei do not have such a trait but there is evidence that one can easily be made in the up coming fishman island arc. Both their pasts have turning points with that place and its people.

      true and you bring up valid points almost all the strawhats although except Robin had an arc where they were first introduced ussually their dream was introduced and the crew had a position to fill unless hancock has some secret talent oda has yet to reveal she can't fufill anything. Although the same thing can be said for Iva and Jinbei. I personally feel that these charecters should just stay as friends of the crew and not join because of these reasons because each has duties most likely to fufill(Protecting fishman island if Whitebeard dies, Ruling Amazon Lily, helping the revolution and possibly leading okama kingdom (not sure what the official name.))

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        all she has to do is something that benefits the marines in some way and most of the other stuff will be forgiven I don't see her taking luffy to her island because that would definitely give the marines reason to attack AL

        she has absolutly no responsibility to the marines NONE

        she has to obey the WG
        Kuma made it clear that as long as they dont go against the world Govt if there shananigans collide with the Marines it can be forgiven as long as they maintain their Warlord like priorities

        all this crying about how she'll get in trouble bc she messes with some marines is nonsense plus add into account how she attacks all men its not out of her personality

        the only arument is whether or not they figured out she's with luffy
        did smoker hear her comment or was she just sayin it to herself and its showen that smoker doesnt care about the higher ups anyway

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          Either way, to suggest that her charm is only to turn people to stone is blatantly flawed.

          Well I don't think her striking a pose puts attraction in people in which there isn't some to begin with, that's my point.

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            What are you trying to say here, Smoker and Sentomarou are gay?

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              @Urouge:

              What are you trying to say here, Smoker and Sentomarou are gay?

              No just that they either aren't so overwhelmed with attraction as a minor character or that they have strong enough will (like Momonga) to maintain their state of mind and not have an out of character hearts in eyes moment that would cause them to forgive her after she lays on the charm, same for Sengoku or anyone of true importance and authority in the marines. Only exception would probably be Magellan but he's not a marine.

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                Momonga stabbed himself to not succumb to Hancock's alluring body. He only had a strong will to stab himself not a strong will for her DF to have no effect.

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                  true and you bring up valid points almost all the strawhats although except Robin had an arc where they were first introduced ussually their dream was introduced and the crew had a position to fill unless hancock has some secret talent oda has yet to reveal she can't fufill anything. Although the same thing can be said for Iva and Jinbei. I personally feel that these charecters should just stay as friends of the crew and not join because of these reasons because each has duties most likely to fufill(Protecting fishman island if Whitebeard dies, Ruling Amazon Lily, helping the revolution and possibly leading okama kingdom (not sure what the official name.))

                  Robin isn't the exception actually. When I meant by "cemented" with the crew I meant an event that lead to all the rest of the crew caring what happened to that crewmate or in the case of Ussop, whether that person cared whether he/she belonged or not. Ussop, Robin, and Nami didn't get their time to 'officially' be cemented into the crew till several arcs later after they were introduced. The rest got cemented in the arc they were introduced and had gotten that point by being the center of attention for their respective arcs. Even if Hancock joins up with Luffy going to fishman island, she hasn't joined the crew. She needs something that says "I want to be part of this" and not just be because of one person, but for the whole crew. Jimbei the same way.

                  Because both of their pasts have deep ties to Fishman Island (Hancock with Fisher Tiger and the Slave trade, and Jimbei… I don't think I need to describe that one XD) Those two or one of them could easily get an event that solidified them on the crew. That hasn't happened yet and it won't happen till either of the two them meet the other crew members and come to terms with their pasts. If they have anything to come to terms with that is (im speaking specifically with Jimbei though, most know what Hancock has to come to terms with :P)

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                    @AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

                    Momonga stabbed himself to not succumb to Hancock's alluring body. He only had a strong will to stab himself not a strong will for her DF to have no effect.

                    Didn't I say that her poses are for her merrow beam for the most part? I even said that her trying to petrify Sengoku, Smoker or Sentoumaru wouldn't solve her problem, it'd only making things worse. She'd have to charm them like Magellan to not attack AL, not attempt to petrify them.

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                      Ok 1. AGOG is wrong. If the Strawhats ate just considered newbies, then why did Akainu try killing Luffy? Oh, I don't know, probably cause he is Dragon's son, the most wanted man in the world, grandson of Garp, and step-brother to Ace. Basically, yeah, he AND thhose affiliated with him are considered dangerous. 2. they will need stronger crewmates with similar Strawhat personalities. A Usopp/Nami tier crewmember ain't cuttin' it anymore. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is gonna have to at least be considered as a fact.

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                        A Usopp/Nami tier crewmember ain't cuttin' it anymore. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is gonna have to at least be considered as a fact.

                        agreed thats why i wouldnt find it surprising that a shibi could join not sayin they prolly will or anything

                        it just seems obvious that more epiced out people r gonna have to join for the NW

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                          akainu for next nakama 😁

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                          what I'm catching up on currently: Gintama, lone wolf & cub, NausicaƤ of the Valley of the Wind, and lost in poem (by our very own AP member GEPPETTOSMONSTER)

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                            Ok 1. AGOG is wrong. If the Strawhats ate just considered newbies, then why did Akainu try killing Luffy? Oh, I don't know, probably cause he is Dragon's son, the most wanted man in the world, grandson of Garp, and step-brother to Ace. Basically, yeah, he AND thhose affiliated with him are considered dangerous. 2. they will need stronger crewmates with similar Strawhat personalities. A Usopp/Nami tier crewmember ain't cuttin' it anymore. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is gonna have to at least be considered as a fact.

                            ya so nami went to weather island for nothing?
                            franky to vega punks old lab for nothing?
                            ussop to a island filled with danger for nothing?
                            sanji possibly mastering okama kempo known for its super crazy kicking style???????

                            it seems like their all getting some kinda power up baised on where they were sent so i wouldnt b surprised if the next set of strawhats we see are all at the supernova level and the monster trio at a very scary NW captain level :ninja:

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                              I hope its Jimbei or Hancock.
                              Not Perona.

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                              ya so nami went to weather island for nothing?
                              franky to vega punks old lab for nothing?
                              ussop to a island filled with danger for nothing?
                              sanji possibly mastering okama kempo known for its super crazy kicking style???????

                              it seems like their all getting some kinda power up baised on where they were sent so i wouldnt b surprised if the next set of strawhats we see are all at the supernova level and the monster trio at a very scary NW captain level :ninja:

                              You Right. I agreed.
                              For the ones who consider Usopp weak.
                              Stop your blabbering nonsense.
                              He son of a Yasopp. He got amazing talent to grow up.
                              And He will shoot Auger head in the last of this series.

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                                ya so nami went to weather island for nothing?
                                franky to vega punks old lab for nothing?
                                ussop to a island filled with danger for nothing?
                                sanji possibly mastering okama kempo known for its super crazy kicking style???????

                                it seems like their all getting some kinda power up baised on where they were sent so i wouldnt b surprised if the next set of strawhats we see are all at the supernova level and the monster trio at a very scary NW captain level :ninja:

                                i think its required for the crew to get that overhaul in powerups and they gain people that r close to the sanji zoro lvl

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                                  randomly posting so we can get to 500 pages/10,000 posts quicker so we can close this fucking thing and in order to redo NCMS so next time it'll be a lot more fresher

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                                    @Croy:

                                    Robin isn't the exception actually. When I meant by "cemented" with the crew I meant an event that lead to all the rest of the crew caring what happened to that crewmate or in the case of Ussop, whether that person cared whether he/she belonged or not. Ussop, Robin, and Nami didn't get their time to 'officially' be cemented into the crew till several arcs later after they were introduced. The rest got cemented in the arc they were introduced and had gotten that point by being the center of attention for their respective arcs. Even if Hancock joins up with Luffy going to fishman island, she hasn't joined the crew. She needs something that says "I want to be part of this" and not just be because of one person, but for the whole crew. Jimbei the same way.

                                    Because both of their pasts have deep ties to Fishman Island (Hancock with Fisher Tiger and the Slave trade, and Jimbei… I don't think I need to describe that one XD) Those two or one of them could easily get an event that solidified them on the crew. That hasn't happened yet and it won't happen till either of the two them meet the other crew members and come to terms with their pasts. If they have anything to come to terms with that is (im speaking specifically with Jimbei though, most know what Hancock has to come to terms with :P)

                                    aw forgot about ussop but yeah the normal equation for a person joining (position needs to be filled, charecter introduced, the usually refuse, villian introduced the crew and the person fight the villian and the person who was introduced has a key role in defeating the villian and they are asked by luffy to join the crew again and they usually accept) Now i never said that they can't join it's just that they haven't fit the criteria of a strawhat joining and personally unless their a rescue Hancock arc the special bonding doesn't happen how would she bond ? Not that she can't do it another way but just it hasn't fit what normally happens

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                                      Didn't I say that her poses are for her merrow beam for the most part? I even said that her trying to petrify Sengoku, Smoker or Sentoumaru wouldn't solve her problem, it'd only making things worse. She'd have to charm them like Magellan to not attack AL, not attempt to petrify them.

                                      So when did Hancock try to charm Momonga and his strong will resisted it?

                                      Just sounds like you don't wanna say the lot of them will have to stab themselves to not let Hancock get over on them.

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                                        So when did Hancock try to charm Momonga and his strong will resisted it?

                                        Just sounds like you don't wanna say the lot of them will have to stab themselves to not let Hancock get over on them.

                                        Lol wut? If Smoker, Sengoku, and/or Sentoumaru have to stab themselves they can still open their mouths and think rationally and eventually Hancock will pay the piper for trying to petrify any of them, she's not gonna have them stab themselves to death nor would that solve anything. Anyway gtg back tomorrow if this is still open by then.

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                                          Roger power is match Whitebeard power.
                                          Thats why Whitebeard is called Strongest Man.

                                          Thats why i think Luffy is need to be at least extremely strong person to be a PK.
                                          About his newbie crew that can't match the legendary prisoner , maybe yes.
                                          But is for now.
                                          Y'know, why if they being extremely powerful person. Why those man captured by Marine. Its such a lulz.
                                          While Rayleigh stated that The Jolly Roger Pirates never captured by Marine.
                                          Thats why they are powerful.!

                                          The SH is still have a lot of time in NW too being stronger. They need it to survive.
                                          Look at BB. Maybe they need the whole crew to defeat Magellan alone.
                                          Even Shiryuu. The man that match Magellan. Its captured in there. Then why he not go fought Magellan himself and run away.?

                                          SH will match BB in the last of this series.
                                          Thats why they worthy enough to be a PK.
                                          Still lot a time for grow up.
                                          Maybe even time skip if you think they need to be old to deserves PK title.

                                          Dude? What were you reading?

                                          He said that Roger was never caught, not his crew… Pay a little attention, please.

                                          Rayleigh doesn't know what happened to his guys after they all disbanded.

                                          My argument is that they DON'T need a top tier fighter at all, they need their crew to grow, not get strong people... If that was the case, then let them take Rayleigh, Jinbei, Marco, Jozu, and all their newly found guys and just run over the NW... Might as well pick up Shanks and then some more damage in the future...

                                          In other words, Oda should just fuck up the build up for 575 chapters just to add a super duper character that makes them no longer the underdogs that give meaning to the manga...

                                          It's absurd.

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                                            Dude? What were you reading?

                                            He said that Roger was never caught, not his crew… Pay a little attention, please.

                                            Rayleigh doesn't know what happened to his guys after they all disbanded.

                                            My argument is that they DON'T need a top tier fighter at all, they need their crew to grow, not get strong people... If that was the case, then let them take Rayleigh, Jinbei, Marco, Jozu, and all their newly found guys and just run over the NW... Might as well pick up Shanks and then some more damage in the future...

                                            In other words, Oda should just fuck up the build up for 575 chapters just to add a super duper character that makes them no longer the underdogs that give meaning to the manga...

                                            It's absurd.

                                            Okay. Im maybe wrong.
                                            Look at Rayleigh or Shanks. They still free. I know Buggy captured though.

                                            But im just curious.
                                            Why the BB new crew would over power SH at the final of this series.
                                            They just legendary fot their crime action. Maybe not for their power.
                                            There is not need to be superpowerful person to being called legendary.
                                            Even a nerds can rape and mutilate 60 person in real world.

                                            SH will surely match BB in one on one showdown at the last of this series.

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                                              Predictions I have made correctly:
                                              -Ace dying
                                              -Blackbeard recruiting level 6 criminals and bringing them to Marineford

                                              Predictions AGOG has made correctly:

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                                                In other words, Oda should just fuck up the build up for 575 chapters just to add a super duper character that makes them no longer the underdogs that give meaning to the manga…

                                                It's absurd.

                                                there r 4 pirate emperors with fleets of capabale captain plus lots of alied captains that r awsome

                                                how would he still not be the underdog to these people

                                                the SH might be infamous and awsome just not as known as these other people i just mentioned

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                                                  Lol wut? If Smoker, Sengoku, and/or Sentoumaru have to stab themselves they can still open their mouths and think rationally and eventually Hancock will pay the piper for trying to petrify any of them, she's not gonna have them stab themselves to death nor would that solve anything. Anyway gtg back tomorrow if this is still open by then.

                                                  That's what I was getting to. There's Hancock trying to charm you to get away with something and then there's her trying to turn you to stone. A strong will won't stop them from being charmed unless they do something like stab themselves.

                                                  You're saying Smoker and the rest will stab themselves to resist her charms if they try to report her if she tries to charm them to get away with it.

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                                                    Predictions I have made correctly:
                                                    -Ace dying
                                                    -Blackbeard recruiting level 6 criminals and bringing them to Marineford

                                                    Predictions AGOG has made correctly:

                                                    Many people have already predicted those.

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                                                      Cyborg Franky I think it's a given they will get a power up, even AGOG agrees with that. I just feel they need a new crewmate on the stronger side. It's like during the Crusades, I'm not saying the next crewmate should be Jesus, just a guy not on the lower level of the crew, such as Usopp and Nami (not chopper since when he learns to control his monster form he will be top tier for sure) but instead a higher level (like Sanji and Zoro) to add more depth.

                                                      I agree with the whole overcoming obstacles, but another top fighter would be much appreciated.

                                                      This is a great way to secretly push your favorite character, Perona. If were doing that then I would say Croc should join because he is modeled after an Italian Godfather and I'm Italian. With that logic we will go nowhere.

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                                                        No just that they either aren't so overwhelmed with attraction as a minor character or that they have strong enough will (like Momonga) to maintain their state of mind and not have an out of character hearts in eyes moment that would cause them to forgive her after she lays on the charm, same for Sengoku or anyone of true importance and authority in the marines. Only exception would probably be Magellan but he's not a marine.

                                                        Woah now hold on. You're the one with the burden of proof here. There is absolutely no basis for you to say that these people are immune to her powers of persuasion. Your opinion of the characters' sex drive is no measure of proof. You even listed an exception!

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                                                        Didn't I say that her poses are for her merrow beam for the most part? I even said that her trying to petrify Sengoku, Smoker or Sentoumaru wouldn't solve her problem, it'd only making things worse. She'd have to charm them like Magellan to not attack AL, not attempt to petrify them.

                                                        Didn't I just prove that comment wrong by posting a page in which she uses her "pose" (as you call it) to manipulate people into forgiving her? Yet you come back and post the same thing as if it never happened. The fact is, she's only used her beam about half the times that she used her charm over the course of the manga so far. Go through it all yourself if you don't believe me.

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                                                          Many people have already predicted those.

                                                          Don't hate on my game.

                                                          Also, rereading Thriller Barque right now, laughing my ass of everytime Perona comes on page and I get remined how there are actually people who think she'll join the main cast. It's so much more surreal when reading her scenes.

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                                                            I'm gonna put a wild prediction out. What if Hancock follows Luffy after the war, what would become of that?

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                                                            What if she stays, but is called to answer for he actions?

                                                            To comment above, if Perona joins, that would have to be the worse thing that I would ever read, a psycho goth girl joining a bunch of happy people.

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                                                              Don't hate on my game.

                                                              Also, rereading Thriller Barque right now, laughing my ass of everytime Perona comes on page and I get remined how there are actually people who think she'll join the main cast. It's so much more surreal when reading her scenes.

                                                              No. I just tell the fact. šŸ™‚

                                                              Beside that. I also agree with you in Perona case.
                                                              Like hell if Perona finally join. I just can't imagine that. šŸ˜†

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                                                                randomly posting so we can get to 500 pages/10,000 posts quicker so we can close this fucking thing and in order to redo NCMS so next time it'll be a lot more fresher

                                                                If we wait to long to make a new thread though, these 'arguements' are going to spill into the discussion topics more than they already are because certain people won't have a place to put their thoughts into. Its part of the reason I have said it shouldn't be closed just yet but if it will close anyways because of page number/posts than a new temporary one should be opened till the war has concluded.

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                                                                  Exactly. This thread is a necessity.

                                                                  (Since when is discussion on a forum a bad thing, anyway?)

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                                                                    It would be great to close it now and wait at least until the next chap or do you ppl plan to regurgitate the same topics of discussion for two weeks?

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                                                                      That's what I was getting to. There's Hancock trying to charm you to get away with something and then there's her trying to turn you to stone. A strong will won't stop them from being charmed unless they do something like stab themselves.

                                                                      You're saying Smoker and the rest will stab themselves to resist her charms if they try to report her if she tries to charm them to get away with it.

                                                                      How do you know this? Momonga wasn't charmed by her, he was attracted to her, like 99.9% of males would be. He didn't have hearts bulging out of his eyes or anything like that, he was simply susceptible to her beam because he saw an incredibly attractive woman and couldn't keep his thoughts from steering that way. He was questioning her the entire time she boarded the ship, and didn't seem to be bowing to her like some lost puppy the entire time he was with her, there is an obvious difference between being charmed (Magellan) and just being attracted.

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                                                                        It would be great to close it now and wait at least until the next chap or do you ppl plan to regurgitate the same topics of discussion for two weeks?

                                                                        I'll try to keep it at least mildly interesting. :ninja:

                                                                        (I wouldn't just want to be bored, instead)

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                                                                          Exactly. This thread is a necessity.

                                                                          (Since when is discussion on a forum a bad thing, anyway?)

                                                                          Mostly because of people so hard lined on their beliefs that its like 'discussing' with a wall of graffiti. No matter how much you argue with it, the message the wall says won't change (even if you feel the message is wrong) and you will look just stupider by the minute as others watch. If more people actually ignored the thread when it got that way or ignored the discussions with said people (or hint for others, there is an 'ignore user' feature on this forum), you can than find the people that are more likely to actually 'speculate' XD most just don't take that advice though, its why I don't always come in here. I don't feel like argueing or want a headache, I stay out of it. Lately its been fun though, if only to see the rediculous.

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                                                                            Mostly because of people so hard lined on their beliefs that its like 'discussing' with a wall of graffiti. No matter how much you argue with it, the message the wall says won't change (even if you feel the message is wrong) and you will look just stupider by the minute as others watch. If more people actually ignored the thread when it got that way or ignored the discussions with said people (or hint for others, there is an 'ignore user' feature on this forum), you can than find the people that are more likely to actually 'speculate' XD most just don't take that advice though, its why I don't always come in here. I don't feel like argueing or want a headache, I stay out of it. Lately its been fun though, if only to see the rediculous.

                                                                            The gang can't handle common sense.

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                                                                              How do you know this? Momonga wasn't charmed by her, he was attracted to her, like 99.9% of males would be. He didn't have hearts bulging out of his eyes or anything like that, he was simply susceptible to her beam because he saw an incredibly attractive woman and couldn't keep his thoughts from steering that way. He was questioning her the entire time she boarded the ship, and didn't seem to be bowing to her like some lost puppy the entire time he was with her, there is an obvious difference between being charmed (Magellan) and just being attracted.

                                                                              The attraction leads to the person being charmed or do you think Hancock can charm someone that isn't attracted to her? The way Hancock has been introduced is that almost everybody can not deny her beauty no matter your gender(and I'd assume sexual preference).

                                                                              So, Momonga stabbed himself cuz he knew he'd turn to stone. It's the same to me as him knowing he could be charmed.

                                                                              Unless you're saying Oda introduced Hancock that way just so he can have characters with strong will still admit she's attractive but are able to not be charmed or turned in to stone.

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                                                                                do you think Hancock can charm someone that isn't attracted to her?

                                                                                This really brings the matter of Marguerite's, Sweetpea's, and Aphelandra's sexual identity/preference into question. On that note…

                                                                                Non-Plot Driving, Completely Out of the Loop, Lesbian Trio for Straw Hats!

                                                                                I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                                                                                  What about the den den mushi in ID that turned into stone? Or Smoker's Jitte, for that matter.

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                                                                                    What about the den den mushi in ID that turned into stone? Or Smoker's Jitte, for that matter.

                                                                                    I'd say that's just the literal effect of her DF.

                                                                                    That doesn't have to do with charming tho.

                                                                                    If Oda ever bothers to he'll explain her DF a little more.

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                                                                                      The attraction leads to the person being charmed. The way Hancock has been introduced is that almost everybody can not deny her beauty no matter your gender(and I'd assume sexual preference).

                                                                                      So, Momonga stabbed himself cuz he knew he'd turn to stone. It's the same to me as him knowing he could be charmed.

                                                                                      Unless you're saying Oda introduced Hancock that way just so he can have characters with strong will still admit she's attractive but are able to not be charmed or turned in to stone.

                                                                                      No, attraction doesn't have to lead to being charmed, that's where a "strong will" actually comes into play. People can't control who they are attracted to, whether strong willed or not, but they can control what that attraction leads to. I don't have to give up all the cash in my wallet because some hot girl asked me too, that's my choice, but finding her attractive is something I won't be able to control.

                                                                                      What? Him being charmed is supposed to be a time delayed effect? Every time we've seen her charm someone, they have hearts in their eyes, and it's obvious. Momonga didn't show even a hint of that, he still had that ruthless scowl on his face. He was attracted to her, and he knew that meant he was susceptible to her beam, but it didn't mean he was going to bow to her every whim. If he was susceptible to this, as you say, then when she boarded the ship for a second time he would have been just as likely to be charmed, but I didn't see him stabbing himself, or acting like a love sick puppy. Even in Impel Down, when she charmed most of level six, Momonga didn't act like he was charmed at all, but when you saw Magellan or the other prisoners, it was obvious.

                                                                                      No, he introduced her that way because he wanted to show that her ability isn't completely overpowered. If she could take out a vice admiral that easily, it'd be pretty ridiculous. It was also foreshadowing for her eventual meeting with the completely innocent mind of Luffy, where her beauty would be completely ineffective, and would lead to some hilarious irony, where the one guy that she actually falls for, isn't attracted to her. I don't even get where you come off making that conclusion from her introduction, except to try to act like I have no choice but to agree with you.

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                                                                                        What? Him being charmed is supposed to be a time delayed effect? Every time we've seen her charm someone, they have hearts in their eyes, and it's obvious. Momonga didn't show even a hint of that, he still had that ruthless scowl on his face. He was attracted to her, and he knew that meant he was susceptible to her beam, but it didn't mean he was going to bow to her every whim. If he was susceptible to this, as you say, then when she boarded the ship for a second time he would have been just as likely to be charmed, but I didn't see him stabbing himself, or acting like a love sick puppy.

                                                                                        Cuz she didn't charm him when he went on the ship. She didn't entice him after he first showed he had clever way of getting out of turning in to stone the first time she tried. Her charming isn't involuntary. It doesn't happen just by being in her presence.

                                                                                        No, he introduced her that way because he wanted to show that her ability isn't completely overpowered. If she could take out a vice admiral that easily, it'd be pretty ridiculous. It was also foreshadowing for her eventual meeting with the completely innocent mind of Luffy, where her beauty would be completely ineffective

                                                                                        You say innocent mind I say it's that and Luffy just isn't attracted to her. Isn't interested in her and doesn't recognize her beauty. There is no attraction on Luffy's part. That's where the humor comes in. Even an innocent child can take notice of bare breast when he sees them.

                                                                                        The only reason she didn't take out Momonga that easy is cuz he stabbed himself. She never charmed him and she didn't bother to kill him in any other way she could've; haki blasting him, attacking him and turning parts of his body in to stone that way, ordering her crew to kill him, etc.

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                                                                                          Cuz she didn't charm him when he went on the ship. She didn't entice him after he first showed he had clever way of getting out of turning in to stone the first time she tried. Her charming isn't involuntary. It doesn't happen just by being in her presence.
                                                                                          You say innocent mind I say it's that and Luffy just isn't attracted to her. Isn't interested in her and doesn't recognize her beauty.

                                                                                          The only reason she didn't take out Momonga that easy is cuz he stabbed himself. She never charmed him and she didn't bother to kill him in any other way she could've; haki blasting him, attacking him and turning parts of his body in to stone that way, ordering her crew to kill him, etc.

                                                                                          He didn't use that clever method in Impel Down, did he? How about you link me to where he has shown even a hint of being charmed by her, a blush, hearts, anything? When his crew had hearts coming out every which way, he looked annoyed with them, not charmed in the least. I like how you pick and choose what you respond to.

                                                                                          So, basically you`re telling me Luffy wasn't attracted to a naked girl, that is a total knockout and has had almost every character she's run into attracted to her? Really? Are you trying to tell me Luffy is homosexual? He didn't even blush, look embarrassed, and seemed almost annoyed the second time she was naked. Oda made it pretty obvious that Luffy was innocent/naive about these types of things.

                                                                                          That's the point, if she did those things he could at least fight back, and we have no idea how strong he is in comparison to her. It'd be a lot worse if she can go around using one ability to take out vice admiral level fighters. If we go by your thought process, she might as well just go take over the world, no one can stop her, she could have destroyed the World Government ages ago! Everyone is susceptible to her charm, except Luffy, for some reason beautiful naked women don't really attract him, might be that thing called innocence, or his inherent homosexuality.

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                                                                                            He didn't use that clever method in Impel Down, did he? How about you link me to where he has shown even a hint of being charmed by her, a blush, hearts, anything? When his crew had hearts coming out every which way, he looked annoyed with them, not charmed in the least. I like how you pick and choose what you respond to.

                                                                                            Like I said Hancock didn't attempt to charm him. I don't know what you think you're reading. Why would she attempt to charm him at ID when she already agreed to the go to the war for Luffy and got him to take her to ID like she wanted?

                                                                                            If you're asking me why she didn't try to charm him "again" I suggest you ask Oda in a SBS.

                                                                                            The reason he didn't get charmed along with the rest of his crew goes back to what I brought up before about being attracted to her. The more attracted you are to her, the easier it is for you to be charmed. Momonga knew what he was getting in to before he set his eyes on her.

                                                                                            Pick and choose to respond to what? The other stuff you bothered typing up wasn't worth responding to.

                                                                                            He didn't even blush, look embarrassed, and seemed almost annoyed the second time she was naked. Oda made it pretty obvious that Luffy was innocent/naive about these types of things.

                                                                                            Or he still has his innocence and isn't attracted to her. I didn't say anything about Luffy not being attracted to women. Every man isn't attracted to every woman with a pretty face and boobs.

                                                                                            That's the point, if she did those things he could at least fight back, and we have no idea how strong he is in comparison to her. It'd be a lot worse if she can go around using one ability to take out vice admiral level fighters. If we go by your thought process, she might as well just go take over the world, no one can stop her, she could have destroyed the World Government ages ago! Everyone is susceptible to her charm, except Luffy, for some reason beautiful naked women don't really attract him, might be that thing called innocence, or his inherent homosexuality.

                                                                                            No. The way I see it you can be charmed by her as long as you're attracted to her unless you do something to prevent that same as turning in to stone.

                                                                                            Now you're bringing up innocence which I didn't deny. So all those without it can not resist her charms and risk being turned in to stone unless they do something to prevent it.

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                                                                                              Like I said Hancock didn't attempt to charm him. I don't know what you think you're reading. Why would she attempt to charm him at ID when she already agreed to the go to the war for Luffy and got him to take her to ID like she wanted?

                                                                                              She didn't attempt to charm him only, she charmed the entire room to cause a distraction for her conversation with Ace. You'd think, with all your theories, he would have been charmed at that point? I mean, he didn't stab himself, he was with her for a long period of time, so what was it this time? Was he extra prepared? Did she not try hard enough?

                                                                                              The reason he didn't get charmed along with the rest of his crew goes back to what I brought up before about being attracted to her. The more attracted you are to her, the easier it is for you to be charmed. Momonga knew what he was getting in to before he set his eyes on her.

                                                                                              So, basically youre telling me everything you said before makes no sense? Since he wasn't attracted to her enough, he could never be charmed is basically what youre saying? Or is it that overtime he will be charmed? How does that work? Wait, is it the longer you look at her, the more attractive she gets? Really? How can he control how much he is attracted to someone he has never looked at? You`re dumb as a bag of rocks, and you just contradicted everything you said before.

                                                                                              Pick and choose to respond to what? The other stuff you bothered typing up wasn't worth responding to.

                                                                                              I'm sure it wasn't, especially for someone that thinks being attracted to a girl automatically leads to being charmed by her.

                                                                                              Or he still has his innocence and isn't attracted to her. I didn't say anything about Luffy not being attracted to women. Every man isn't attracted to every woman with a pretty face and boobs.

                                                                                              What is Luffy attracted to then? Ugly women? Actually, who has he shown any attraction to in the manga? How can you tell if it's his innocence leading to his lack of attraction to her or it's just generally him not being attracted to her? Are you Luffy?

                                                                                              No. The way I see it you can be charmed by her as long as you're attracted to her unless you do something to prevent that same as turning in to stone

                                                                                              Do you not understand the concept that being charmed is a choice, and attraction most of the time is not? Doing something for someone is not equal to liking the way someone looks physically.

                                                                                              Now you're bringing up innocence which I didn't deny. So all those without it can not resist her charms and risk being turned in to stone unless they do something to prevent it.

                                                                                              You just contradicted yourself again, you basically brought up the idea that Luffy had his innocence, but he just isn't attracted to her. Actually, didn't you say "every man isn't attracted to every woman with a pretty face and boobs"? Now it's anyone "without [innocence] can not resist her charms". Good job, you managed to contradict yourself within a few sentences.

                                                                                              Yikes, Whitebeard and Sengoku better have a knife handy to stab themselves if they run into Hancock. What a joke, she might as well be the most powerful character in One Piece, if she catches you unprepared watch out! Unless you`re not attracted to her enough, then you might not be charmed, wait maybe if you look at her for a long time you will be charmed!

                                                                                              I'm going to bed, keep rambling and contradicting yourself, it's pretty funny.

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                                                                                                What the hell.. Hancocks charm hasn't been used on everyone, so you can't argue about her ability till she has.

                                                                                                plus I don't get it, why is this so important. I would really like to know

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                                                                                                  Charm or not, it's hard to see Hancock becoming part of Luffy's crew. Jinbei is more likely.

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                                                                                                    She didn't attempt to charm him only, she charmed the entire room to cause a distraction for her conversation with Ace. You'd think, with all your theories, he would have been charmed at that point? I mean, he didn't stab himself, he was with her for a long period of time, so what was it this time? Was he extra prepared? Did she not try hard enough?

                                                                                                    Says who? Who says she charmed the whole room and not just Magellan and the other ID staff?

                                                                                                    So, basically youre telling me everything you said before makes no sense? **Since he wasn't attracted to her enough, he could never be charmed is basically what youre saying?** Or is it that overtime he will be charmed? How does that work? Wait, is it the longer you look at her, the more attractive she gets? Really? How can he control how much he is attracted to someone he has never looked at? You`re dumb as a bag of rocks, and you just contradicted everything you said before.

                                                                                                    No.

                                                                                                    They were more attracted so they were charmed and turned to stone easier. Momonga wasn't as much compared to his crew but he still was attracted and never charmed. Nice try at making stuff up tho.

                                                                                                    I'm sure it wasn't, especially for someone that thinks being attracted to a girl automatically leads to being charmed by her.

                                                                                                    With Hancock, yes. You seem to keep using real life examples to apply to this situation.

                                                                                                    What is Luffy attracted to then? Ugly women? Actually, who has he shown any attraction to in the manga? How can you tell if it's his innocence leading to his lack of attraction to her or it's just generally him not being attracted to her? Are you Luffy?

                                                                                                    How can YOU? I said it was a combination of both. As for Luffy's point of view, beauty is subjective.

                                                                                                    Do you not understand the concept that being charmed is a choice, and attraction most of the time is not? Doing something for someone is not equal to liking the way someone looks physically.

                                                                                                    In real life it is. Not so in the manga.

                                                                                                    You just keep bringing extra crap that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Who's talking about doing stuff for Hancock? When she charms them they're all enamored by her beauty which makes them distracted and off guard.

                                                                                                    You just contradicted yourself again, you basically brought up the idea that Luffy had his innocence, but he just isn't attracted to her. Actually, didn't you say "every man isn't attracted to every woman with a pretty face and boobs"? Now it's anyone "without [innocence] can not resist her charms". Good job, you managed to contradict yourself within a few sentences.

                                                                                                    I never said Luffy didn't have his innocence. You keep looking for contradictions that aren't there. Reread what I said.

                                                                                                    The whole innocence negates her charm is what YOU just said dumbass. Obviously those without it don't have that to their advantage. You're the one making it sound like if you have innocence Hancock's DF is no problem for you.

                                                                                                    Yikes, Whitebeard and Sengoku better have a knife handy to stab themselves if they run into Hancock. What a joke, she might as well be the most powerful character in One Piece, if she catches you unprepared watch out! Unless you`re not attracted to her enough, then you might not be charmed, wait maybe if you look at her for a long time you will be charmed!

                                                                                                    Unless they aren't attracted to her.

                                                                                                    I'm going to bed, keep rambling and contradicting yourself, it's pretty funny.

                                                                                                    Go to bed.

                                                                                                    What the hell.. Hancocks charm hasn't been used on everyone, so you can't argue about her ability till she has.

                                                                                                    plus I don't get it, why is this so important. I would really like to know

                                                                                                    Yeah you're right. I obviously disagree with him.

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                                                                                                        I think Hancock's powers work as this (note: this is just opinion, NOT entirely based on facts):

                                                                                                        • Her ability to charm people is NOT a Devil Fruit power. She was able to do it while using seastone cuffs in Impel Down, so it CAN'T be her DF. This is the combination of looks and maybe a variation of King Haki (instead of making people faint from intimidation, she uses it do overwhelm them with desire). Notice that Alvida was also able to charm people around her;

                                                                                                        • Her Devil Fruit power allows her to turn people into stone, but in order to do so, the person must desire her and offer no resistance;

                                                                                                        • Her Devil Fruit power also allows her to make those heart-shaped constructs (Pistol Kiss, the heart shield, those arrows) and she can turn things she strikes into stone. We need more explanation about the limits of her abilities, though.

                                                                                                        Her power has worked pretty well on underlings and mooks: either people who already admired her, or who were really weak already. In the very first chapter she was introduced, Momonga was able to overcome her power ("a mark of experience"). Can you imagine her using her stoning powers succesfully on Blackbeard, Sengoku or Whitebeard? I think any guy worth his name in the seas can resist her ability.

                                                                                                        Indeed, when she attacked marines in the war, the marine who scolded her was clearly moved, but not entirely charmed, when she talked about her beauty giving her forgiveness. And he was a no-name marine.

                                                                                                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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