Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)

[GoustiFruit]

The need a ship's boy, like Cobi was on Alvida's ship. They are pirates after all !

[Brook]

@xAcEx:

I totally forgot about him being a swordsman. Thats a Good Point I wouldn't think that Oda would add another. I just think it would be cool if the SH had a fishman and I doubt that Jinbei will join. :sad:

I'd love a Fishman on the crew. In general, I just love it when they pop up because their designs are always awesome. Hopefully Fishman Island Arc actually happens someday.

Yeah, pretty much no chance Jinbei will join I think.

@herr_sebbe:

I also thought he was a possible addition back when he reappeared, but now I don't really see it happening. The purpose of his return was to give Luffy a reason to smash a Tenryuubito and to properly introduce the Slave Mark. When he appears again, he'll probably just have a role similiar to what Iceburg had Post-Enies Lobby.

I have nothing against the idea, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, in general I don't think there's anyone that stands out as a major contender for a new Strawhat right now. With Oda though, you really just don't know.

[xAcEx]

@GoustiFruit:

The need a ship's boy, like Cobi was on Alvida's ship. They are pirates after all !

Im not sure how that would help them in their journey to the NW lol

[Brook]

@xAcEx:

Im not sure how that would help them in their journey to the NW lol

Ever read/watch Rurouni Kenshin? Yahiko is kind of like the main party's protege. Throughout the series he grows and though he's not apart of the big fights it's driven home that he'll one day be a great swordsman. He's in a rather tearjerking scene in this 3rd arc that really shows his progress.

Anyway, I wouldn't be against having that kind of character in the crew. Honestly, the crew is really versatile and varied right now and putting a character in there that doesn't overlap into another's territory is kinda hard. People were screaming for Brook to be excluded from the crew just because he was a swordsman. So as far as a unique addition to the crew, a kid might not be a bad idea.

Also, the kid could serve as Luffy's heir or something when the series ends.

[Solid]

@Brook:

Yeah, pretty much no chance Jinbei will join I think.

He is the only one of all these "candidates" that would actually make sense joining and he would fit fine with strawhats.

[Brook]

@Solid:

He is the only one of all these "candidates" that would actually make sense joining and he would fit fine with strawhats.

The thing that really convinces me he won't is his strength. As a former Shichibukai and real powerhouse, he'll disrupt the hierarchy that's been established for the entire manga. Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji have been the crew's strongest fighters so far for the entire story and I don't see it changing. I would also find it hard to believe that Jinbei is significantly weaker than any of them.

[wintergt]

@Brook:

Also, the kid could serve as Luffy's heir or something when the series ends.

Don't forget Oda is a Dragonball fan. After a sizeable timeskip, Luffy and Hancock's son Monkey D. Whatever will join the crew as a cabin boy.

[AGOG]

@Sanji:

Perona will perhaps join the SH's since, I believe Oda has expressed some interest in increasing her role in the OP world, but if she does not join the SH's perhaps she'll play a crucial role in the future, like Mr. 2 did in Impel Down.

When did this happen?

As far as bounty goes, you can't know…

She knows about them, but who knows if she holds one.

I think "yes" because her nickname is "Ghost Princess" Perona... She also had a pirate flag before, her own... So, she might have been a pirate with a nickname of Ghost Princess...

But I don't really think this guy's post is legit... Never heard Oda do this...

[Solid]

@Brook:

The thing that really convinces me he won't is his strength. As a former Shichibukai and real powerhouse, he'll disrupt the hierarchy that's been established for the entire manga. Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji have been the crew's strongest fighters so far for the entire story and I don't see it changing. I would also find it hard to believe that Jinbei is significantly weaker than any of them.

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji and the rest of the strawhat crew are all probably getting powerups now. I think both Luffy and Zoro will be stronger than Jinbei after the current arc while Sanji (maybe Franky too) and Jinbei may be on the same level. However Sanji would probably still get a lot more screen time than Jinbei…

[brennen.exe]

We still have ten or so years left in the story. The whole "monster trio" nonsense, or tiers in general, are just what the fans have pieced together. Now, sure, I will agree that the three of them are clearly the crew's strongest, but I don't see any reason for Oda to restrict a fourth or even fifth crew member from joining those ranks amidst (~equal to) Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Jinbei, for example, could be a perfect fit (post-theoretical-upgrades) in between Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Not necessarily stronger than any of them, but not necessarily weaker than any of them either. People force "power levels" too much, whereas this particular story has, if anything, shown us that power levels can be thrown out the window most of the time. There is no transitive property of equality for who is stronger than who, and there is certainly no simple formula for determining how strong someone is. That whole approach to this discussion is pointless, if you ask me.

[Solid]

Yeah, you're right. We shouldnt refer Luffy, Zoro and sanji as the monster trio, more like the diva trio since they always get most screentime in battles.

[Darkstorm]

@brennen.exe:

There is no transitive property of equality

Did you get hit on the head by a thesaurus this morning?

But yeah, I agree with you up to a point, and that point is Luffy. If someone joins who is equal in strength to Luffy then (for me at least) it kind of deflates the big villain set pieces where Luffy is the only one who can fight them and hope to win. I mean, yes you could come up with scenarios where Luffy is the only one who can do the job other then raw strength, but I do like the idea of Luffy always being the strongest, as it harkens back to Arlong Park:
Arlong: You think a man without the slightest shred of pride is fit to be a captain?!!
What the hell are you even capable of?!!

Luffy: Beating YOU.

[AGOG]

@brennen.exe:

We still have ten or so years left in the story. The whole "monster trio" nonsense, or tiers in general, are just what the fans have pieced together. Now, sure, I will agree that the three of them are clearly the crew's strongest, but I don't see any reason for Oda to restrict a fourth or even fifth crew member from joining those ranks amidst (~equal to) Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Jinbei, for example, could be a perfect fit (post-theoretical-upgrades) in between Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Not necessarily stronger than any of them, but not necessarily weaker than any of them either. People force "power levels" too much, whereas this particular story has, if anything, shown us that power levels can be thrown out the window most of the time. There is no transitive property of equality for who is stronger than who, and there is certainly no simple formula for determining how strong someone is. That whole approach to this discussion is pointless, if you ask me.

I agree that this is just some subjunctive fan made idea… Nothing impressive.

In terms of "power" and such, Jinbei only beats them in the water and nothing more... If not for that, he would obviously be "weaker" than the likes of Sanji, Luffy, and Zoro.

It is only in terms of water that he would basically win and overpower the other three: Luffy cannot even move, Sanji already had showed a hard time in the water, and Zoro will probably be as weak in the water as Sanji had showed before. So, Jinbei is the "strongest" in the water and not stronger on land.

The only problems against him joining would be these:

• Adam Wood costs around 200 million (current supply on board their ship) to buy, and Jinbei joining would force them to basically spend that money for it… Location to buy that was said to be on the Black Market. I have no idea if that exists on SA, but whatever... In other words, Jinbei is too fat and big.
• Jinbei loves his island ~ what makes him leave it behind.
• Jinbei is planning to die; will he?

Those are the only things basically holding him back from joining, at the moment… Everything else is a worthless mention.

[herr_sebbe]

> We still have ten or so years left in the story. The whole "monster trio" nonsense, or tiers in general, are just what the fans have pieced together. Now, sure, I will agree that the three of them are clearly the crew's strongest, but I don't see any reason for Oda to restrict a fourth or even fifth crew member from joining those ranks amidst (~equal to) Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Jinbei, for example, could be a perfect fit (post-theoretical-upgrades) in between Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. Not necessarily stronger than any of them, but not necessarily weaker than any of them either. People force "power levels" too much, whereas this particular story has, if anything, shown us that power levels can be thrown out the window most of the time. There is no transitive property of equality for who is stronger than who, and there is certainly no simple formula for determining how strong someone is. That whole approach to this discussion is pointless, if you ask me. If Usopp not being the weakest would upset the balance of the story (according to Oda himself), then I think Luffy, Zoro and Sanji should remain the strongest.

[brennen.exe]

@Darkstorm:

Did you get hit on the head by a thesaurus this morning?

In all seriousness, my older brother is a walking dictionary and thesaurus, and forces me to look up words constantly. Not that the transitive property has anything to do with a thesaurus, I used it because everyone refers to it. You know, if A=B and B=C, then A=C? It's how Steve got boob in American Dad? Well, anyway, people sometimes argue saying that if Luffy beat person XX, and person XX beat person YY, then Luffy is stronger than person YY. Or something similar. Maybe.

@Darkstorm:

But yeah, I agree with you up to a point, and that point is Luffy.

Yeah, I totally agree. It's hard for me to make a point without being a hypocrite on the whole "power levels" issue, but that's what I meant when I said "not necessarily stronger than any of them, but not necessarily weaker than any of them either." Take for example Luffy and Zoro. For all intensive purposes I see Luffy as the stronger of the two, but at the same time consider them to be relatively the same. I personally think Sanji is shown to be weaker than both of them, but still insanely strong. I would agree that I don't expect anyone to be stronger than Luffy, or at least not stronger for very long, but I have no qualms with people being on the same level as Luffy. At the end of the day, Luffy will (or should) have the strongest ambitions and willpower, as well as the biggest dream to achieve. That is what makes him "the strongest" to me, and what establishes him as Captain. When any of them fall, Luffy will always be the first to get back up.

@AGOG:

Adam Wood costs around 200 million. In other words, Jinbei is too fat and big.

Why do you assume Franky used all the wood he had on the Sunny? That would be horrible planning. Does he really think the ship will remain in perfect shape for the entire series? No, he doesn't. In fact, he said so himself that he would travel with them and repair the ship whenever it needs repairing. Plus, like his own body, we can (or should) expect him to continue making upgrades as time goes on.

@AGOG:

Jinbei loves his island ~ what makes him leave it behind.

I've covered this before. The chances of him staying behind with the island are slim, as far as I am concerned. His own words and bounty suggest as much. Oda could change all that, but at this moment in time, I don't think it would be a believable scenario. Just my opinion though.

@AGOG:

Jinbei is planning to die; will he?

Certainly not. If anything, all this shows is that he has the same strong will that the rest of the crew has. He is willing to put his life on the line for what he believes in. He's just confirming what he said he was willing to do back in Impel Down when he was talking with Ace. But…I don't think anyone cares to hear about Jinbei arguments again, so do we really have to continue this...?

@herr_sebbe:

If Usopp not being the weakest would upset the balance of the story, then I think Luffy, Zoro and Sanji should remain the strongest.

I don't think that is what Oda means. IMV, he is referring to the "human" aspect. The crew (and the world) is full of Warship-throwing monsters that punch holes in mountains and cut islands in half. Having Usopp, your average Joe, be part of the crew allows comedic relief at the insane and unrealistic portrayal of strength, while allowing the readers to relate in a way with his character. Granted, he still shows inhuman levels of stamina and dexterity…

[Solid]

@AGOG:

The only problems against him joining would be these:

• Adam Wood costs around 200 million (current supply on board their ship) to buy, and Jinbei joining would force them to basically spend that money for it… Location to buy that was said to be on the Black Market. I have no idea if that exists on SA, but whatever... In other words, Jinbei is too fat and big.
• Jinbei loves his island ~ what makes him leave it behind.
• Jinbei is planning to die; will he?

Those are the only things basically holding him back from joining, at the moment… Everything else is a worthless mention.

1. Come on, he isnt really that big is he? He's like 2x of Choppers weight size, he will have no problem living on sunny. I expected him to be as large as moria and kuma before he was revealed, him being a whaleshark (biggest fish in our world) fishman and all that, but nope.
Jinbei being bigger and fatter than the other in the strawhat crew is a pro, more unique designs to the strawhat crew, yes please!

2. Franky loved his island too, Sanji loved his restaraunt, usopp and Nami loved their villages as well, not really a problem here.

3. Just like Luffy is prepared to fight till his death for Aces sake so is Jinbei, nothing that makes him less likely to join Luffy.

Might as well state some pros of why I think Jinbei will be the next strawhats, I'n not going as far as brennen, I will just point a few details.

• Jinbeis name, Jinbei isnt similair to any name at the strawhats crew and he has a uniqe first letter in his name among the strawhat crew that everybody else have too.

• Jinbei has his typical clothing, the traditional japanese jinbei cloth, just like Franky always have his speedos and shirt, Luffy shorts and shirt, and so on.

• He has a well thought design that resembles a japanese demon, oni, that stands out from the other Fishmen.

• We know next to nothing about his backround, so it is for granted that we will get a big flashback with him and Tiger fisher in the future.

• The strawhats need a strong member that won't fall behind, after all the crewmembers get back stronger than before.

• He was mentioned in volume 6, so Oda already had him in his mind back then, just like he already had Brook planned out when we saw Laboon in volume 10. I personally believe that Oda already had the whole crew planned out before he started one piece.

[xAcEx]

@Brook:

Ever read/watch Rurouni Kenshin? Yahiko is kind of like the main party's protege. Throughout the series he grows and though he's not apart of the big fights it's driven home that he'll one day be a great swordsman. He's in a rather tearjerking scene in this 3rd arc that really shows his progress.

Anyway, I wouldn't be against having that kind of character in the crew. Honestly, the crew is really versatile and varied right now and putting a character in there that doesn't overlap into another's territory is kinda hard. People were screaming for Brook to be excluded from the crew just because he was a swordsman. So as far as a unique addition to the crew, a kid might not be a bad idea.

Also, the kid could serve as Luffy's heir or something when the series ends.

Yes I have watched/read Rurouni Kenshin (Have every graphic novel lol) and from that perspective it makes much more sense. I took the OP as an idea that he/she would solely be a cabin boy/girl. It would be cool if the SH picked up a younger kid with a similar DF power to Luffy's. It would be cool to see the character's progress and finally maybe see he/she as the next king/queen of the pirates.

[xAcEx]

Lets not forget that by the time Luffy meets up with his crew again, Im willing to be that Zoro and Sanji will have become stronger. Im saying this in regards to the fact that Jinbei may be stronger than those two now, but later it may be a whole different story. I still don't think he will be the next addition (unfortunately). Im starting to think it will be someone that we haven't seen yet crossing his fingers for a fishman

[AGOG]

@brennen.exe:

In all seriousness, my older brother is a walking dictionary and thesaurus, and forces me to look up words constantly. Not that the transitive property has anything to do with a thesaurus, I used it because everyone refers to it. You know, if A=B and B=C, then A=C? It's how Steve got boob in American Dad? Well, anyway, people sometimes argue saying that if Luffy beat person XX, and person XX beat person YY, then Luffy is stronger than person YY. Or something similar. Maybe.

Yeah, I totally agree. It's hard for me to make a point without being a hypocrite on the whole "power levels" issue, but that's what I meant when I said "not necessarily stronger than any of them, but not necessarily weaker than any of them either." Take for example Luffy and Zoro. For all intensive purposes I see Luffy as the stronger of the two, but at the same time consider them to be relatively the same. I personally think Sanji is shown to be weaker than both of them, but still insanely strong. I would agree that I don't expect anyone to be stronger than Luffy, or at least not stronger for very long, but I have no qualms with people being on the same level as Luffy. At the end of the day, Luffy will (or should) have the strongest ambitions and willpower, as well as the biggest dream to achieve. That is what makes him "the strongest" to me, and what establishes him as Captain. When any of them fall, Luffy will always be the first to get back up.

Why do you assume Franky used all the wood he had on the Sunny? That would be horrible planning. Does he really think the ship will remain in perfect shape for the entire series? No, he doesn't. In fact, he said so himself that he would travel with them and repair the ship whenever it needs repairing. Plus, like his own body, we can (or should) expect him to continue making upgrades as time goes on.

I've covered this before. The chances of him staying behind with the island are slim, as far as I am concerned. His own words and bounty suggest as much. Oda could change all that, but at this moment in time, I don't think it would be a believable scenario. Just my opinion though.

Certainly not. If anything, all this shows is that he has the same strong will that the rest of the crew has. He is willing to put his life on the line for what he believes in. He's just confirming what he said he was willing to do back in Impel Down when he was talking with Ace. But…I don't think anyone cares to hear about Jinbei arguments again, so do we really have to continue this...?

I don't think that is what Oda means. IMV, he is referring to the "human" aspect. The crew (and the world) is full of Warship-throwing monsters that punch holes in mountains and cut islands in half. Having Usopp, your average Joe, be part of the crew allows comedic relief at the insane and unrealistic portrayal of strength, while allowing the readers to relate in a way with his character. Granted, he still shows inhuman levels of stamina and dexterity...

1. He has leftover Adam Wood in the storage of the ship… The whole "too big" argument is fascinating, truly.

Things to consider are basically the whole entire problem. "Blueprints" are what construct ships, wouldn't it distort all the measurements if you "alter" something within it? I'd think so.

Rebuilding the whole ship takes a lot of time and money... Loses the whole feel to it as well...

Making "mods" to it, in terms of adding room and such, seems too much work and the current situation is probably not going to provide the effort for this.

I think it has nothing to do with the story time frame and would be a bigger hurdle to bother with; something Oda may either "ignore" by making up some sort of excuse, or basically drop Jinbei because he never had him in mind... I would assume that it is the latter, since it'd be a horrible sense of planning if Oda had basically done this.

2 + 3: these have no answers, it is basically a bunch of things that stop him from joining and need to be addressed. I am well aware that they could be accounted for, but they have yet to be addressed or even expanded upon.

Future, it could be done… So, I only base my "anti-Jinbei" portions against him because of his "greater" size.

@Solid:

1. Come on, he isnt really that big is he? He's like 2x of Choppers weight size, he will have no problem living on sunny. I expected him to be as large as moria and kuma before he was revealed, him being a whaleshark (biggest fish in our world) fishman and all that, but nope.
Jinbei being bigger and fatter than the other in the strawhat crew is a pro, more unique designs to the strawhat crew, yes please!

He is like 3 times the size of Luffy. That's the smallest I went… But, he is "too big" to fit through the doors...

2. Franky loved his island too, Sanji loved his restaraunt, usopp and Nami loved their villages as well, not really a problem here.

We don't know enough to expand on it… Nothing at all, I just stated something that prevents him from joining, which we know of.

3. Just like Luffy is prepared to fight till his death for Aces sake so is Jinbei, nothing that makes him less likely to join Luffy.

If he dies, he can't join as a ghost… So, it just depends on if he "dies" or not.

Might as well state some pros of why I think Jinbei will be the next strawhats, I'n not going as far as brennen, I will just point a few details.

• Jinbeis name, Jinbei isnt similair to any name at the strawhats crew and he has a uniqe first letter in his name among the strawhat crew that everybody else have too.

What a pro…

• Jinbei has his typical clothing, the traditional japanese jinbei cloth, just like Franky always have his speedos and shirt, Luffy shorts and shirt, and so on.

Another "pro?"

• He has a well thought design that resembles a japanese demon, oni, that stands out from the other Fishmen.
• We know next to nothing about his backround, so it is for granted that we will get a big flashback with him and Tiger fisher in the future.
• The strawhats need a strong member that won't fall behind, after all the crewmembers get back stronger than before.

You could just list his position, and have an argument right there…

Plus, him basically having a lot of "pros" are obvious, but he has a few questions and a really crucial one: size.

• He was mentioned in volume 6, so Oda already had him in his mind back then, just like he already had Brook planned out when we saw Laboon in volume 10. I personally believe that Oda already had the whole crew planned out before he started one piece.

But he made the ship too small, so, that's either saying he WON'T join, or something of that sort…

[Kishido]

Well even if I see jinbei as the most likely candidate for now… did AGOG really say that Sanji, Zoro and Luffy are stronger on land than Jinbei? o_O

Ask Moria... and I haven't even seen Jinbei go all out

If the crew don't get a massive power up I can't see even Luffy and Zoro being on par with Jinbei for now

EDIT
AGOG is back to the door thing xD xD xD

If an other woman will join Franky has to built a new bed and other stuff... Oh my god he can't do this!!! His whole dream ship will be destroyed.

[madmanricky]

always remember that if they are stronger to begin with they will always be stronger because they will learn from the same experiences

[Solid]

@AGOG:

What a pro…

Another "pro?"

Typical strawhats quirks, if a characters doesnt have it, he/she wont join, and is meant to be a side character.

Plus, him basically having a lot of "pros" are obvious, but he has a few questions and a really crucial one: size.

If he was big like Oars or a giant then it would sure be a crucial one, but he isn't, he's even smaller than Moria and Kuma, so no, his size is not a problem. His size just makes the diversity of he crew look better.

But he made the ship too small, so, that's either saying he WON'T join, or something of that sort…

The ship isnt too small, if it wasnt for that im on a old mac right now I would copy paste pics to prove your point wrong. Also, only the dragonspine of the ship consists of adam wood, not the whole ship.

[AGOG]

@KiShiDo:

Well even if I see jinbei as the most likely candidate for now… did AGOG really say that Sanji, Zoro and Luffy are stronger on land than Jinbei? o_O

Ask Moria... and I haven't even seen Jinbei go all out

If the crew don't get a massive power up I can't see even Luffy and Zoro being on par with Jinbei for now

EDIT
AGOG is back to the door thing xD xD xD

If an other woman will join Franky has to built a new bed and other stuff... Oh my god he can't do this!!! His whole dream ship will be destroyed.

I've never dropped the "door" thing…

Yes, they are.

Moria didn't get killed, he was perfectly fine the next second.

Plus, if you think that Moria is physically stronger than the likes of Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji, I disagree...

Luffy is a very strong person... I don't know a person that has a better body than his at the moment, physically... Sentoumaru might.

Whitebeard should... Jozu probably does too, but Moria isn't stronger than Luffy...

He only has a tricky DF that gives Luffy problems. Sanji and Zoro could fight and win against Moria concerning one on one.

Same with Luffy, but when trickery comes to play, it gives some characters problems...

[brennen.exe]

@AGOG:

Wouldn't it distort all the measurements if you "alter" something within it? I'd think so. Rebuilding the whole ship takes a lot of time and money… Loses the whole feel to it as well.

I don't know about boats, but my dad is a contractor, so I know you can remodel the interior of a house without affecting the structural integrity of it. Increasing the size of a door frame, of all things, should be extremely easy. If you alter the measurements on some plans without making adjustments to the rest, yes, you can run into problems while building, but as long as you make the proper adjustments to everything else there is no problem. As far as time or effort is concerned, you are talking about this guy –-> [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/11/"]Franky]

@AGOG:

2 + 3: these have no answers, it is basically a bunch of things that stop him from joining and need to be addressed.

So you are just ignoring the counter arguments? And don't you have it backwards? As we are now, it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that Jinbei will not to stay at Fishman Island. In fact, your claim that he would stay there "cause he loves it" has less backing. And to suggest that someone is going to die because they are willing to, in ONE PIECE, is preposterous. You silly little man…

Also, haha, does anyone else think this "Pirate" looks a bit like Roger...? [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/09/"]link]

[xAcEx]

haha I never noticed that he does look kinda like Roger

[O baba]

@brennen.exe:

Also, haha, does anyone else think this "Pirate" looks a bit like Roger…? [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/09/"]link]

of course, both are archetipecal pirate

[madmanricky]

i see jimbei more like a guy that give another fishmana push to join the strawhats

[AGOG]

@brennen.exe:

I don't know about boats, but my dad is a contractor, so I know you can remodel the interior of a house without affecting the structural integrity of it. Increasing the size of a door frame, of all things, should be extremely easy. If you alter the measurements on some plans without making adjustments to the rest, yes, you can run into problems while building, but as long as you make the proper adjustments to everything else there is no problem. As far as time or effort is concerned, you are talking about this guy –-> [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/11/"]Franky]

I am worrying about its performance around the waters… Each time a ship takes a damage, they cannot be "fixed" to become brand new in terms of overall performance... So, if he basically changes those things, it could perhaps ruin it in the future by means of overall dynamics.

Maybe the Burst would stress the ship too much, too much that it cannot handle it.

I'm just thinking over that, since it is a "boat" and such.

I'm assuming that if you basically change "the dimensions" too much, then there won't be a balance and the ship will have some issues in its movement; it won't be stable.

Currently, it is built to last, however, if it is "changed" somehow, maybe those changes would damage the performance.

So you are just ignoring the counter arguments? And don't you have it backwards? As we are now, it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that Jinbei will not to stay at Fishman Island. In fact, your claim that he would stay there "cause he loves it" has less backing. And to suggest that someone is going to die because they are willing to, in ONE PIECE, is preposterous. You silly little man…

Also, haha, does anyone else think this "Pirate" looks a bit like Roger...? [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/09/"]link]

I'm not ignoring it…

I'm accepting them as "okay" as far as statements head.

You could make an answer fit and have it fine, but it still doesn't happen.

There's just no right or wrong answer for these...

The death part, if he does die, then he seriously couldn't join... Not saying that Jinbei will die, but he may or may not, regardless, it is there...

[Kishido]

@AGOG:

I've never dropped the "door" thing…

Yes, they are.

Moria didn't get killed, he was perfectly fine the next second.

Plus, if you think that Moria is physically stronger than the likes of Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji, I disagree...

Luffy is a very strong person... I don't know a person that has a better body than his at the moment, physically... Sentoumaru might.

Whitebeard should... Jozu probably does too, but Moria isn't stronger than Luffy...

He only has a tricky DF that gives Luffy problems. Sanji and Zoro could fight and win against Moria concerning one on one.

Same with Luffy, but when trickery comes to play, it gives some characters problems...

Well you said that the doors on the ship are to small which is for you a "heavy" argument but who cares.

Abiut Moria… Well you have your opinion but no way in hell that Luffy is near Jinbei now in my eyes

EDIT
And we now how many people die in OP and yeah he will die and the issue with Luffy will never be explained.

[xAcEx]

Saying that Jinbei will not be the next crew member for the SH pirates because he is too big for the ship is just plain silly. Im sure Franky would be able to accompany Jinbei's extra weight and size if he were to join the crew. What do you think Franky built the Thousand Sunny with, cardboard?

[AGOG]

@KiShiDo:

Well you said that the doors on the ship are to small which is for you a "heavy" argument but who cares.

Abiut Moria… Well you have your opinion but no way in hell that Luffy is near Jinbei now in my eyes

EDIT
And we now how many people die in OP and yeah he will die and the issue with Luffy will never be explained.

Jinbei says he is weaker on land, so take that as you like… I would think that a healthy Luffy is far more potent than he is at the moment in the manga.

Remember, he was "crap" when he went through Level 6 and beyond.

As far as the other stuff, so I do.

@xAcEx:

Saying that Jinbei will not be the next crew member for the SH pirates because he is too big for the ship is just plain silly. Im sure Franky would be able to accompany Jinbei's extra weight and size if he were to join the crew. What do you think Franky built the Thousand Sunny with, cardboard?

Actually, it is a technical thing; from a writer's standpoint, it seems like he totally didn't plan for him joining himself. So, it makes him like Bleach's author who totally forgets to conclude certain portions of it.

[xAcEx]

@AGOG:

Jinbei says he is weaker on land, so take that as you like… I would think that a healthy Luffy is far more potent than he is at the moment in the manga.

Remember, he was "crap" when he went through Level 6 and beyond.

As far as the other stuff, so I do.

Actually, it is a technical thing; from a writer's standpoint, it seems like he totally didn't plan for him joining himself. So, it makes him like Bleach's author who totally forgets to conclude certain portions of it.

I don't see it being anymore complicated than reinforcing the ships foundation and making doors bigger, but hey Im no carpenter lol. Hey like I said before I don't think that Jinbei will be the next crew member but I don't think you can use this argument to discount that possibility. Who knows maybe if Jinbei joined he wouldn't even need to be on the ship all that much he is a fishman after all.

[Sanji The Cook]

@AGOG:

When did this happen?

As far as bounty goes, you can't know…

She knows about them, but who knows if she holds one.

I think "yes" because her nickname is "Ghost Princess" Perona... She also had a pirate flag before, her own... So, she might have been a pirate with a nickname of Ghost Princess...

But I don't really think this guy's post is legit... Never heard Oda do this...

"When did it happen?"

When Zoro landed on the gloomy island Perona was on. I mean Oda could have made Zoro land somewhere else like a swordsman island or something like that… and we could have found out what happened to Perona in a mini cover story series like Buggy, Jango, Hatchi, etc. had. I mean think about it why do you think Oda wanted Zoro land where Perona was? And when Zoro's going to leave the island, I think he would need help from Perona and perhaps she'll join Zoro because she's not really satisfied with the island. Seeing is how there's no servants around for her to command. So then maybe when the SH gather together again perhaps she'll then join, since all of the female characters that joined the SH's were once allied with a former enemy like Nami with Arlong and Robin with Crocodile. If not ok she didn't join, I'm just giving my opinion not to be right or wrong just expressing my thoughts is all.

[KingofSarus]

@Sanji:

Nami with Arlong and Robin with Crocodile.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as well.
I guess that's the way Perona could join, just like the other lady Straw Hats as she matches up with Moria.

It'll be weird though… what if the lady Straw Hats wanted to look "pretty" or "sexy". :wub:

Perona will not do well in that area... :sad: and I'm expecting any chick in the Straw Hats will look amazing.

Not that I'm trying to hint that Hancock should join, but, I'd love for her to join.

[Sanji The Cook]

@KingofSarus:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as well.
I guess that's the way Perona could join, just like the other lady Straw Hats as she matches up with Moria.

It'll be weird though… what if the lady Straw Hats wanted to look "pretty" or "sexy". :wub:

Perona will not do well in that area... :sad: and I'm expecting any chick in the Straw Hats will look amazing.

Not that I'm trying to hint that Hancock should join, but, I'd love for her to join.

You and everyone else but me and a few other people. Hancock's already a captain of her own pirate crew. Now unless her past secret gets out, then she and her sisters will probably will then have to leave the crew and the island as well. Then perhaps she'll join but with her sisters as well, but that's just my thoughts on it. But truthfully I just hope for her to just become an separate ally like Laboon.

[Zkaiser]

@brennen.exe:

For all intensive purposes…

Brennen, no.:sad:

[KingofSarus]

@Sanji:

Hancock's already a captain of her own pirate crew.

Yeah, that's true, but we don't know the "power level" of her love towards Luffy is. lol
She might just say, "I declare Marigold as the next Kuja Pirate Captain, for I am now sailing with the one I love."
But, looking how ridiciously it may sound, it could happen.
However, I don't believe it'll happen.
I'll prefer her to be the character they always show in the openings of the anime connected to the main character, even when we forgotten about her.

[brennen.exe]

@KingofSarus:

I guess that's the way Perona could join, just like the other lady Straw Hats as she matches up with Moria.

They aren't the same though, as people have pointed out numerous times before. Arlong was basically holding Nami's island hostage, so she was only working for him and stealing from pirates so that she could buy their freedom. Robin was unfairly labeled a criminal since childhood and was forced to work with other criminals in order to remain alive, and though she did some pretty harsh things during the course of the story, she has generally done so out of circumstance and amended for them afterward. They were both genuinely good people in bad positions. Perona was allied with Moria out of her own free will for at least 10 years, where she lived a life of luxury getting everything she wanted. She showed admiration and respect for Moria, who she had for nobody else, and still abandoned her post and crew at the first sign of real danger. The only similarity is that they are both females who worked for an arc boss.

I mean, you could manipulate that same type of argument for many of the characters that are (or have been) involved in the story. Brook was the captain of a crew that doesn't really exist anymore, and inherited that title from his deceased captain. Jinbei is the captain of a crew that was disbanded, and inherited that title from his deceased captain. They are both male. See?

@Zkaiser:

Brennen, no.:sad:

Heh, I learn something new every day. I've never seen that particular idiom written out before, so I just assumed it was "intensive" due to the phonetic similarity. Hell, I didn't even know it qualified as an idiom until I checked just now. Funny though, that since 'intensive' can pertain to something that has an increased emphasis, I never really gave it much thought. Haha.

[Chopper Madness]

@brennen.exe:

They aren't the same though, as people have pointed out numerous times before. Arlong was basically holding Nami's island hostage, so she was only working for him and stealing from pirates so that she could buy their freedom. Robin was unfairly labeled a criminal since childhood and was forced to work with other criminals in order to remain alive, and though she did some pretty harsh things during the course of the story, she has generally done so out of circumstance and amended for them afterward. They were both genuinely good people in bad positions. Perona was allied with Moria out of her own free will for at least 10 years, where she lived a life of luxury getting everything she wanted. She showed admiration and respect for Moria, who she had for nobody else, and still abandoned her post and crew at the first sign of real danger. The only similarity is that they are both females who worked for an arc boss.

well maybe thats just simple escalation first well shes only working for him cause she has to

then well shes only working with him bc thats her life dream and is unfairly labeled

next might be well she didnt really no any better bc shes never had a real friend

there r many hints like this that to me make it feasible that she joins
(yes im in the perona for nakama camp but I do see the cons and "probably not" arguments as well)

[AGOG]

That's not her dream.

Second, whatever reason ("fun") Perona did willingly follow Gecko Moria for, we have NO idea why on earth she would…. As, we don't know her idea of fun, and if you do provide a definition, then that one is false since she [the character Perona] had never mentioned anything.

Perona is like Oatmeal, without any liquid added into the bowl and then heated, it's just flaky.

Perona is currently flaky, she needs to be heated and so on; there after, she will become "complete" and a nakama.

There's like only one thing against her, "Negative Hollow" would be that.

@Sanji the cook,
I see, so it never was "stated" by Oda in any sense. Thank you. Of course, I would agree with the whole thing, but it's irrelevant to me at this moment.

[Chopper Madness]

@AGOG:

That's not her dream.

S

if ur talkin to me i was referring to the void century being the dream of robin

as far as the oatmeal argument i suppose ur right to a degree and the people that want perona to join r wishful thinking filling in the gaps of her why and how she acts the way she does ( i dont find it un reasonabl) but its possible shes just a flakey cant be trusted person

[Aka666]

over 9000! Hehhe

[wackkoman]

Only because im tired of hearing "Perona" "Hancock" "Jimbei" etc. I personally love and want Perona to join. but…........ Squado!!!

Regardless I hope his role in this war isn't over. He should come back this chapter.

[GetsugaZoro]

@Aka666:

over 9000! Hehhe

16 Badgitahs

[KingofSarus]

@brennen.exe:

They aren't the same though, as people have pointed out numerous times before. Arlong was basically holding Nami's island hostage, so she was only working for him and stealing from pirates so that she could buy their freedom. Robin was unfairly labeled a criminal since childhood and was forced to work with other criminals in order to remain alive, and though she did some pretty harsh things during the course of the story, she has generally done so out of circumstance and amended for them afterward.

Well… we didn't know anything about Robin... at all, at first.
She was mysterious as hell... then her story and background unfold.
Perona could have the same introduction.
I honestly wouldn't want her to. I'd prefer something diffrerent, but she could get the same treatment.

[mickdestroy]

Accept it guys, no one has better probabilities of joining the crew than Boa, and so many fans wish for it that I think Oda will appeal to that.

Role???
The captain's lover
Tragic past???
Yes
Her dream???
Be with Luffy XD
LOL???(provide more fun within the crew)
Yes
Luffy would approve her joining???
Yes, she has helped him a lot

Geez the only thing that stops her from joining is the island she threw away by refusin to attend the Shichibukai meeting

Lols just imagine: Jimbei, Crocodile, Mr. 2 or Ace makin kampai with the crew or with em in a colorspread= EPIC FAIL

[Chopper Madness]

@mickdestroy:

Accept it guys, no one has better probabilities of joining the crew than Boa, and so many fans wish for it that I think Oda will appeal to that.

Role???
The captain's lover
Tragic past???
Yes
Her dream???
Be with Luffy XD
LOL???(provide more fun within the crew)
Yes
Luffy would approve her joining???
Yes, she has helped him a lot

Geez the only thing that stops her from joining is the island she threw away by refusin to attend the Shichibukai meeting

Lols just imagine: Jimbei, Crocodile, Mr. 2 or Ace makin kampai with the crew or with em in a colorspread= EPIC FAIL

i agree but i feel shes goin the Chi Chi route maybe showin up semi often but not a perm crew mem

[Zik]

@mickdestroy:

Accept it guys, no one has better probabilities of joining the crew than Boa, and so many fans wish for it that I think Oda will appeal to that.
Role???
The captain's lover
Tragic past???
Yes
Her dream???
Be with Luffy XD
LOL???(provide more fun within the crew)
Yes
Luffy would approve her joining???
Yes, she has helped him a lot

Geez the only thing that stops her from joining is the island she threw away by refusin to attend the Shichibukai meeting

Lols just imagine: Jimbei, Crocodile, Mr. 2 or Ace makin kampai with the crew or with em in a colorspread= EPIC FAIL

[RomanceDawn]

@mickdestroy:

Accept it guys, no one has better probabilities of joining the crew than Boa, and so many fans wish for it that I think Oda will appeal to that.

I wont go as far as Zik, but no way. At least not with that reasoning. One thing Oda does NOT do, is appeal to the fans in the manner that you are speaking. He does what he wants because he wants to, not because the girls write in and want some romance.

[5_Of_Spades]

@BattleFrankyBot:

i agree but i feel shes goin the Chi Chi route maybe showin up semi often but not a perm crew mem

I second that Chi Chi feeling too. Except I don't see Oda showing us the grandchildren.

Now that Boa's come to terms more or less with her feelings toward Luffy, and helped him out when he was in dire need, her so-called "love sickness" shouldn't be a fatal problem anymore.

And the clueless-to-romance Luffy joke can get pretty old if Boa is with him all the time.