Just throwing this out there, but how many people here would be satisfied if there were no more crew members for the rest of the series?
I would be OK with it personally, the crew right now feels very ''complete'' to me. What do you guys think?
I would be disappointed… Mainly because 7000 posts in just this thread will go to waste
which rends her useless anywhere other then the water and reverts back to my first statement once they lose their tail they just look like a human where a fishman always looks like a fishman
Camie just covered up her tail and she somehow managed to walk on land with it as if they were feet, but in the end she was discovered to be a mermaid because that Peterman (or what was his name) slaver guy noticed it.
@madmanricky:
ace will more then likely takeover WB crew and go after one piece himself since that what WB wanted for him
Has WB ever said he wanted this for Ace? All I remember is that Sengoku inferred it, not WB himself. I mean you're probably right that this is how it will play out but I'm just wondering.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
A lot of dumbass assumptions but the most daunting are the dumbass assumptions you've suggested I'd say for other lame and/or boring characters.
It's not that…
All of them have equal chances to head to the ship and get invited. I say that, by now saying that chance is zero.
Not all of them do.
I find it to be an assumption that the crew has to head back to SA to get to the ship(the SA part you're leaving out or specifically heading back to where Rayleigh is). There's nothing saying Perona has to go to the ship, she might go to SA and something can occur where she's taken out of the picture by her own doing or someone else's. This goes for anybody else who happens to go to SA.
You already were shut down here. PPL have explained the clear differences between Nami and Robin when compared to Perona as far as loyalty goes.
Rayleigh said that he would bring it to some "Grove" after he is done coating it… So, the SH crew should head to AL.
I wasn't shut down. Yes, but that "something" is an assumption on your part. The rightful portion suggests Zoro has help towards the ship... As well as she is basically going to remain lonely.
The only connection is the act of betrayal. Where Robin and Nami have actual reasons for their "betrayal" that being self sacrificing for the sake of others and Perona did it to save her own ass.
This is an uneducated portion. Robin wasn't doing that for just anyone. NOT until she met the SH crew, she was selfish for attention.
Perona may have a cynically twisted harsh past as well…
What is this connection with the SH crew? Is it a connection she can not form with Buggy? Is it a similar connection that Mr. 3 had with Luffy and the SHs cuz he easily gravitated to Buggy due to cowardice. Something Perona has already shown she has a lot of. If anything she, like the ID prisoners would be fooled to join Buggy seeing it as the better choice than the SH crew. If you don't think Buggy is heading to the NW you're obviously not reading this manga. If you think Buggy is not going to take the Gyojin island path and head to Mariejoa you're a dumbass.
Buggy is basically not near the group, she isn't near him. Plain and simple… You are making a big assumption assuming that Buggy finds everyone and she joins his crew.
There is no evidence saying she has to follow Zoro back to SA just speculation made up by you. So you won't find that supporting evidence now. You'd be wasting your time.
Again, so it be that… However, it can be more supporting to claim such things plus including the other portions of what lies in wait on the Thousand Sunny of hers.
This crap is no different than what everyone else is doing for the other characters present in the past few arcs that equally have no chance of joining.
Perona has better "crap" that the other characters cannot do…
I.E. speculation. Why are you explaining this again? This is just wasted txt.
Why not? It is the way the whole thread works…
What I said in my last post is there's no point arguing the same things over and over especially with the same ppl. Staying true to the previous statement I most likely won't respond to your reply to to this post, especially if it's the same stuff you've been regurgitating since you've entered this thread.
Mine aren't the same, I think that I've basically reworded most of the repetitive stuff to include new things. I also am different than other Perona fans.
@KingofSarus:
I was wondering… what good use, "ship-wise" is Perona?
Besides ordering Sanji around and/or raping Chopper?
**I didn't really want to add about that whole "Kuma" part, but since someone had given me the option and such, I decided to look at it.
I understand the time frame for it, regardless how you look at it, it doesn't quite make sense on who Kuma works for nor does it make sense why he was there anyway.
Kuma theories seem like a waste since you have nothing to work with. The good news is that his power sent someone for 3 days and 3 nights flying around…
I just wanted to have material for the length Perona and Zoro have been away from the plot.
Jimbei is seemingly an ideal "helmsman" because of the known manga parts involving the ship. Marine Battleships are bigger than the Sunny and he managed to do something that "Robin + Usopp" were doing without any help. Plus, the waves after the Thriller Bark, before Caimie rescue, were notorious and I figure they used the same sort of "Robin + Usopp" combination to navigate it. Same with the other portions involving the early explanation of the ship.
I still believe that a Helmsman will be an essential part due to the specific need to be addressed.
As far as Perona goes, her "networking" specialization is crucial because of the following:
--SH crew has only one Den Den Mushi on board.
--Den Den Mushi do not work well in colder temperatures.
--Den Den Mushi hold ranges.
--Den Den Mushi can be intercepted by the marines using the black models.
--Den Den Mushi can be destroyed.
Meanwhile, she is capable of using her own power as a communication system:
--Has a very long range.
--Doesn't depend on temperatures: (she used it during the cold freezer on Thriller Bark).
--Cannot be broken.
--Cannot be intercepted.
--Can increase in numbers rapidly.
Networking has been big in various portions of the story currently:
--WB Pirates hold them.
--CP holds them.
--Marines hold them.
--ID hold them.
--Revolutionaries hold them.
Information gathering and networking is hinted by many people:
--Nyon.
--Shakky.
--Iva-san.
--Kidd pirates.
--Other supernova.
--Victims of Thriller Bark.
--Thriller Bark.
--etc.
Other things helpful of her power:
--Ghosts stick to things, therefore, she can't have her "ghosts" disappear or be removed.
--Ghosts can travel through walls and obstacles.
--She is able to talk through the ghosts.
--They're fast and swift.
--Range should be highly impressive.
Of course, you can also speculate many other uses, but her power is indeed helpful to the Straw hat crew that lacks an efficient means of communication.**
If it helps.
@IrishLuigi:
Me.
You want the "Most Unknowledgable" award?
Really?
That's good to hear.
I don't think the straw hats need someone for the networking/spying stuff. Unlike the others you mentioned, they are very small and they aren't trying to overthrow the WG like the revos.
I can't see it helping them, without Oda forcing it to.
I don't think the straw hats need someone for the networking/spying stuff. Unlike the others you mentioned, they are very small and they aren't trying to overthrow the WG like the revos.
I can't see it helping them, without Oda forcing it to.
But Robin is very necessary.
I don't think the straw hats need someone for the networking/spying stuff. Unlike the others you mentioned, they are very small and they aren't trying to overthrow the WG like the revos.
I can't see it helping them, without Oda forcing it to.
Sure, they don't need it… However, it is a helpful solution to one problem they lack.
If they have this person, the need to ask usage of another persons equipment will drop. They can communicate with each other like the flying fish gang.
They could just buy some more Den Den Mushi's…
Unlike the Flying Fish Gang they can't seperate like that. They could get seperatd like now or Alabasta, but Perona wouldn't know where the others are and the mini Den Den Mushis would'nt work and they can't be carrying normal sized ones..
@Herr Sebe: Did I say she's necessary?
@Herr Sebe: Did I say she's necessary?
Nope. I'm just saying new crew members don't have to be.
Although, Perona would do well as a look-out or network lady (?), whether it's necessary or not.
How much do the Strawhats need Brook ? He is musical guy….
I am telling you guys Living Bronze Statue is next member.... Luffy gets what Luffy wants.
Captain Karmine / Karmine the Mastermind
Bounty: 350.000.000
Crew : Karmine & A lot of barrels and boxes
Ship : Knarr/Ice Dragon
New bounty & Ship! Wandering around…
How much do the Strawhats need Brook ? He is musical guy….
I am telling you guys Living Bronze Statue is next member.... Luffy gets what Luffy wants.
He wanted a ghost..
I am not completely sure what role Perona offered, but lookout fits well.
Of course, her uses are excessively benefiting. Sure, they can buy De Den Mushi, but her ghosts can attach to people and work like microphones which is better than den den mushi.
They shouldn't weigh at all and can multiply swiftly.
So, she doesn't need to find SH people when she can stick them to people at the start…
He wanted a ghost..
I am not completely sure what role Perona offered, but lookout fits well.
Of course, her uses are excessively benefiting. Sure, they can buy De Den Mushi, but her ghosts can attach to people and work like microphones which is better than den den mushi.
They shouldn't weigh at all and can multiply swiftly.
So, she doesn't need to find SH people when she can stick them to people at the start…
Before ever replying to this thread.. show us where he says he wanted a ghost.
You remember when they were showing mini merry??
It was before that… He got a net and a cage for the ghost as well as he got a pirate lunchbox ... Robin liked thrills.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
He also said he wanted a tree zombie as a nakama.
no he didnt he just offered a living tree if he wanted to join there is a difference (not much of one but to me its significant enough)
why are so many people obsesed with perona joining lol , there is no way she can join she is way too weak and there are like another 20 better charactors than perona for luffy to pick
"A time skip will happen"!
@Eustlass:
why are so many people obsesed with perona joining lol , there is no way she can join she is way too weak and there are like another 20 better charactors than perona for luffy to pick
I don't know about weak. Like Croc said, you don't know how two abilities match up. Usopp might be Perona's single Achilles' Heel in the entire OPverse. She demolished almost all the other crew members at one point or another. In fact, if anything, I think she's too strong for the crew.
@Eustlass:
why are so many people obsesed with perona joining lol , there is no way she can join she is way too weak and there are like another 20 better charactors than perona for luffy to pick
It's not really "so many people" just the same 2-4 ppl that have recently taken over the the thread. No different than the Hancock fanboys that terrorized this thread a couple pages ago.
@Eustlass:
why are so many people obsesed with perona joining lol , there is no way she can join she is way too weak and there are like another 20 better charactors than perona for luffy to pick
It's because she's such a person that you find yourself falling in :wub: with!!
Did you know, Obama supports Perona joining, as does Oda!! You too, can!!
it has been said, perona's power is cheated. It will be too easy now to pwn the marines and pirates. "Perona, just attack them with your ghosts, then we attack them!" "negative blablablabla" fight over. Really, is that what you want? And it's not about "nooo duude its the new world the pirates there are strong enough to resist at these ghooosts" Well no, it's not about strengh, it's about mind, even zorro got pwned. And even if the ghosts does not work, in this case, she become completly useless. There is no way for her to join.
@People:
it has been said, perona's power is cheated. It will be too easy now to pwn the marines and pirates. "Perona, just attack them with your ghosts, then we attack them!" "negative blablablabla" fight over. Really, is that what you want? And it's not about "nooo duude its the new world the pirates there are strong enough to resist at these ghooosts" Well no, it's not about strengh, it's about mind, even zorro got pwned. And even if the ghosts does not work, in this case, she become completly useless. There is no way for her to join.
The Strawhats they would never use this tactic.
@People:
it has been said, perona's power is cheated. It will be too easy now to pwn the marines and pirates. "Perona, just attack them with your ghosts, then we attack them!" "negative blablablabla" fight over. Really, is that what you want? And it's not about "nooo duude its the new world the pirates there are strong enough to resist at these ghooosts" Well no, it's not about strengh, it's about mind, even zorro got pwned. And even if the ghosts does not work, in this case, she become completly useless. There is no way for her to join.
Not useless. She has her mini-hollows, her astral body and possibly other things Oda hasn't showed us yet. Besides, Robin doesn't get many fights either.
I see, so an other menber who does not fight, that does not make sense considering that they entering to the NW.
@People:
it has been said, perona's power is cheated. It will be too easy now to pwn the marines and pirates. "Perona, just attack them with your ghosts, then we attack them!" "negative blablablabla" fight over. Really, is that what you want? And it's not about "nooo duude its the new world the pirates there are strong enough to resist at these ghooosts" Well no, it's not about strengh, it's about mind, even zorro got pwned. And even if the ghosts does not work, in this case, she become completly useless. There is no way for her to join.
There is reason to believe her power doesn't affect female characters…
She's never dared to use it against a woman.
Second, she has to "hit" an opponent. If haki allows someone to kill a negative ghost, then that means that basically she cannot attack and use it.
If the ghosts don't work, she can basically use the other effect of it and blow things up and such... As a defensive means, she could probably make "shockwaves" to defend against blows, as a defensive skill... Her power has plenty of potential.
I think she just hasn't hit a woman, not that she doesn't dare. That doesn't make sense at all, that it wouldn't work against women..
BTW, how do you kill a ghost?
Listen to agog, Haki of course! Haki is a good answer when you are short of arguments.
First I thought of Perona, Hancock and Ace joining.
Now I think Ace will be the new captain of the Whitebeard pirates.
Hancock and Perona are still good choices, so is Bentham.
After seeing Volume 0 it seems clear, that Luffy's crew will never be that big (including that it will be the size of Roger's), maximum 20 people, rather 14 or even the often called 11 (10 nakamas + Luffy).
First Mates and their friends kick ass!!!
I think she just hasn't hit a woman, not that she doesn't dare. That doesn't make sense at all, that it wouldn't work against women..
BTW, how do you kill a ghost?
I suppose it would be Haki, a method of damaging someone… How do you kill a Logia type? Use Haki or an opposite element...
So, wouldn't it count the same way?
As far as the women assumption goes, it could be a sense of "effect" that Perona is stuck with. For instance, maybe her power only works on MEN and she is well aware of it, as she does state "I fear no men" and such. Meanwhile, as Hancock's power only works on SOMEONE that is "affected" by charm, hers. If it is this way, then why not have Perona, who is affected by being exposed to "even more negative" situation and she takes damage from that as with Usopp... If that is the case, then surely there's an "additional" unknown to why her power is limited to males and males only. For instance, Robin may only sprout her "limbs" off of a surface that she sees.
Perhaps, Perona has something to do with Woman's "spirits" being somewhat less ambiguous or something... I wouldn't really know, but there may be a catch within. I'm not good with gender only explanations.
@People:
Listen to agog, Haki of course! Haki is a good answer when you are short of arguments.
Yeah… Haki is an answer when it isn't explained, the concept.
DF powers can be "damaged" by Haki, like Luffy being HURT by it despite being rubber... So, maybe the same applies to a GHOST as well... For instance, you may be able to cut it like one is able to cut a Logia.
OFCOURSE IT WAS THE HAKI!!! and Obama supports the haki and we dont give a shit about Obama(cause not everyone is american or from the nobels committee), and you cant base things in pure fanboysm and and…
Right now i have doubts if someone has a chance of joining i was in for Jimbei at first but now i think its impossible im basing this on power levels, like many said Jimbei and Hancock cant join because i believe Luffy as to remain the strongest in the crew, and Perona is just to random and not very believable, though i wouldn't mind either of them if Oda made them join with some way that wouldn't affect the crew balance(captain should be the strongest imo).
But gief uz Bon Clay, dont really now how but gief uz Oda.
@People:
I see, so an other menber who does not fight, that does not make sense considering that they entering to the NW.
I wouldn't mind if someone joined who isn't a fighter but has something else to bring to the table. For example Caimie (she won't join but as an example), mermaids are the fastest swimmers in the world, pretty usefull on a ship with DF users and when sailing on the dangerous ocean that the grand line is. The main focus of fights will always be on Luffy, Zoro and Sanji anyway.
I wouldn't mind if someone joined who isn't a fighter but has something else to bring to the table. For example Caimie (she won't join but as an example), mermaids are the fastest swimmers in the world, pretty usefull on a ship with DF users and when sailing on the dangerous ocean that the grand line is. The main focus of fights will always be on Luffy, Zoro and Sanji anyway.
She'd still have to learn how to protect herself. If some SH always has to make sure the next nakama isn't dead/captured they'll always be fighting handicapped.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
She'd still have to learn how to protect herself. If some SH always has to make sure the next nakama isn't dead/captured they'll always be fighting handicapped.
So far the SH usually have been able to match their respective counterpart among the enemies. Sure the likes of Nami and Chopper wouldn't last for ten seconds against the enemy leader, but they don't need to. They merely need to be able to fight the number six and number nine of the enemy forces. And I don't think that'll change no matter whom Luffy picks up next. Even if the next he got was a mermaid weaker than Nami, he'd still write it in a way to show that she carries her own weight.
Gorlak wants you for the army
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, this won't actually happen because (unless Oda changes his mind) Usopp has to stay the weakest of the SH crew. So Camie was a bad example because she is TOO weak, but someone who can fight a bit but the main focus of the character is on some other talents he/she has.
So far the SH usually have been able to match their respective counterpart among the enemies. Sure the likes of Nami and Chopper wouldn't last for ten seconds against the enemy leader, but they don't need to. They merely need to be able to fight the number six and number nine of the enemy forces. And I don't think that'll change no matter whom Luffy picks up next. Even if the next he got was a mermaid weaker than Nami, he'd still write it in a way to show that she carries her own weight.
That doesn't matter. Aren't we talking about a SH who doesn't fight? Nami and Chopper fight. The days of them pussying out are gone and was acceptable cuz it was early in the story.
We heading to the NW. If a SH can't fight, they gonna die.
So you just can't switch the whole argument to say Oda will write it this way if the premise is the next SH can't fight.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Nami and Chopper fight. The days of them pussying out are gone and was acceptable cuz it was early in the story.
Oh yeah, those days were over when Alabasta started.
Even Nami knew she was "weak" out of all the Straw Hats, but not anymore.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
We heading to the NW. If a SH can't fight, they gonna die.
Damn straight.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, this won't actually happen because (unless Oda changes his mind) Usopp has to stay the weakest of the SH crew. So Camie was a bad example because she is TOO weak, but someone who can fight a bit but the main focus of the character is on some other talents he/she has.
It can mean "weakest" in "courage" and such…
So, it would remain true to Usopp's character, he is the weakest in that department.
It can mean "weakest" in "courage" and such…
So, it would remain true to Usopp's character, he is the weakest in that department.
I agree, I really don't think when Oda said Usopp was the weakest and would always stay that way he necessarily meant overall fighting capabilities. I'm not saying he isn't/won't stay the weakest, but I don't feel comfortable stating it to be fact.
I agree, I really don't think when Oda said Usopp was the weakest and would always stay that way he necessarily meant overall fighting capabilities.
I think it was a pretty clear statement; that Usopp would remain the weakest in regards to physical strength and would remain the closest to a regular human, allowing the crew to have a sort of balance and allowing people to relate in a way with Usopp's more "realistic" persona. What people don't consider (IMO), is that Usopp's fighting style doesn't rely on physical human strength, but strategy, weaponry, and skill. He can be the closest to a regular human in terms of natural strength, but if he has a powerful weapon, dangerous and versatile ammunition, and excellent marksmanship then it doesn't really matter if he is the "weakest".
He can be the closest to a regular human in terms of natural strength, but if he has a powerful weapon, dangerous and versatile ammunition, and excellent marksmanship then it doesn't really matter if he is the "weakest".
That's in fact why I really like this character … he's kind of normal.
something i have noticed that the last 2 have either gotten a bounty from helping the crew or have had a bounty already i would like to think that this trend will continue for the last 2 members
Two is not a trend, especially when they are different, haha. That aside, now that the whole crew has a bounty, I sort of expect all newcomers to either have a bounty or acquire one while joining, so you could say I agree with you. Oh, and Robin had a bounty before joining, so you could technically say "the last three" had a bounty before they joined.
i would like to see it going like this has bounty, get a bounty,has bounty,get a bounty, has a bounty.
Do Perona have a bounty? Never see one and I can't see her joining wozhout a bounty first but I can't think for something she will do do get one
I don't think Perona has a bounty, she has been hiding out on Thriller Bark for the past 10 years, under the wings of a shichibukai.
Perona will perhaps join the SH's since, I believe Oda has expressed some interest in increasing her role in the OP world, but if she does not join the SH's perhaps she'll play a crucial role in the future, like Mr. 2 did in Impel Down.
When did Oda express that?
Has anybody mentioned Hatchan?
Wintergt mentioned that in a ocean as dangerous as the NW the SH will need someone who can swim effectively. Maybe this will get them out of trouble in the future seeing as there are DF users on board.
Also, I doubt he has a bounty at this point but I would think that if he did join the SH and with his past as a part of Arlong's crew he would get one in no time.
Finally, he could add to the comedic value of the manga. Usopp, Copper and Hatchan would make for some funny situations.
Maybe he has already stated in a previous chapter that he wants to remain running the Takayoyaki stand with Camie and the starfish, but I don't remember reading anything of the sort.
Has anybody mentioned Hatchan?
Wintergt mentioned that in a ocean as dangerous as the NW the SH will need someone who can swim effectively. Maybe this will get them out of trouble in the future seeing as there are DF users on board.
Also, I doubt he has a bounty at this point but I would think that if he did join the SH and with his past as a part of Arlong's crew he would get one in no time.
Finally, he could add to the comedic value of the manga. Usopp, Copper and Hatchan would make for some funny situations.
Maybe he has already stated in a previous chapter that he wants to remain running the Takayoyaki stand with Camie and the starfish, but I don't remember reading anything of the sort.
I really think he's a much more viable candidate than Perona or Hancock. He adds variety by being a Fishman, too. There are a few things against him, however…
He's another Swordsman. I don't really expect Oda to add anymore of them.
Pappug and Keimi would be pretty helpless without him I think. I don't know how they could justify him leaving them behind in the story.
His big dream has basically already come to fruition, I don't think he desires anything more at this point.
So... he's got some major points against him but I still feel he's much more likely than some of the other popular choices.
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I really think he's a much more viable candidate than Perona or Hancock. He adds variety by being a Fishman, too. There are a few things against him, however…
He's another Swordsman. I don't really expect Oda to add anymore of them.
Pappug and Keimi would be pretty helpless without him I think. I don't know how they could justify him leaving them behind in the story.
His big dream has basically already come to fruition, I don't think he desires anything more at this point.
So... he's got some major points against him but I still feel he's much more likely than some of the other popular choices.
I totally forgot about him being a swordsman. Thats a Good Point I wouldn't think that Oda would add another. I just think it would be cool if the SH had a fishman and I doubt that Jinbei will join. :sad:
I really think he's a much more viable candidate than Perona or Hancock. He adds variety by being a Fishman, too. There are a few things against him, however…
He's another Swordsman. I don't really expect Oda to add anymore of them.
Pappug and Keimi would be pretty helpless without him I think. I don't know how they could justify him leaving them behind in the story.
His big dream has basically already come to fruition, I don't think he desires anything more at this point.
So... he's got some major points against him but I still feel he's much more likely than some of the other popular choices.
I also thought he was a possible addition back when he reappeared, but now I don't really see it happening. The purpose of his return was to give Luffy a reason to smash a Tenryuubito and to properly introduce the Slave Mark. When he appears again, he'll probably just have a role similiar to what Iceburg had Post-Enies Lobby.
I have nothing against the idea, but I just don't see it happening.
