One can see it that way, yes.
However, despite similarities between similarities between existing characters, the strawhats are probably getting their last spots filled up (if we'll follow Luffy's "original plan").
Therefore, it is in my opinion, that the last slots should be filled by something completely unique. This could just be my opinion, however, and not what Oda is planning.
Hell, noone knows what Oda is planning :ninja:
@Judgement's:
One can see it that way, yes.
However, despite similarities between similarities between existing characters, the strawhats are probably getting their last spots filled up (if we'll follow Luffy's "original plan").
Therefore, it is in my opinion, that the last slots should be filled by something completely unique. This could just be my opinion, however, and not what Oda is planning.
Hell, noone knows what Oda is planning :ninja:
Yes, I agree…
There are several ways to read how Luffy will basically fill up his crew:
-Chapter 1 "ten men"
-Chapter 1 "better crew than Shanks" - Quote by Luffy...
-Pattern of "4 or 5" in EB therefore, "4 or 5" in GL and "4 or 5" in NW.
-Pattern of "family structure" where they basically need a "Grandma Figure", "Little sister" and then on.
In fact, there are other ways to basically figure what is the limit of who joins.
I accept that he will better "Shanks" crew since that is a given statement on his original promise to him.
So, a unique fighting is unique, you are correct. But, even though there may be another choice around the whole world, there are basically "few" that actually are shown.
Of course, a DF is always unique, so we may have another user on the ship and then a Fishman from FI perhaps.
Without a doubt, each DF is "unique" so, it is safe to add another DF user so that this continues the said trend, right?
I don't see how he would be wrong with a fighting style being not unique this way.
However, "unique character" also plays a part and Ms. Perona has the same "probable" idea for her character-- it can be classified as unique as well.
Therefore, she's still in the same zone, or so I would think...
Feel free to disagree... 
Heh, yeah, you're right about how Perona could be added to the "probability zone" and how DF's are unique in their own right.
Our current problem is just that there's too many people in this probability zone to get a good clue as to what Oda's thinking. Boa, Jinbei, Perona, Croc, Ace, Margarite, etc, etc. Too many to count, really, theories everywhere.
Yeah, I basically do one thing: Perona or bust!!
As far as other characters;
Jimbei, too big to fit on the ship (simple)
Margarite (stuck on AL)
Ace (IMO, he is basically not really been shown to stick with Luffy) {I can get into details on him too, as the other characters…}
Hancock (personally, I think she's just going to be tossed asunder.)
Croc (a good one... However, I question his character...)
So, I seem to only accept Perona now. All the other characters, after hearing a billion arguments, have lost all interest in their tales and they aren't that easy to see happen. (IMO.)
I guess, I only want Perona as a candidate.
To be honest, no.
My Perona overview is rather deep… That is like a little sample from the surface.
When someone types:
-Zoro can't handle directions.
-Perona can.
-Perona and Zoro are on an island alone.
-Oda has Zoro get help with directions.
-Oda has two characters there.
-Perona and Zoro will go to SA.
This is just repetition of what you just tried to say. I'm waiting for an actual argument on why she'd join the SH crew over returning to Moria's crew at the very least.
Now, in order to convince someone that Perona can join, this part basically relies on literal reads and judging her character.
One, you can claim she is lonely. Two, you can state that with evidence from the manga; according to Perona, she joined Moria's crew for a lousy concept like "fun"…
Yes, "fun".
So, after basically thinking that she's not having fun alone in her dream island of choice, she desires to have servants (a form of company) and therefore, if she wants "people" to be around, magically, she helps Zoro and then she asks to join because the loneliness in her heart forces her to seek attention/ company. her solution, according to what is known to be there at SA; SH crew, Rayleigh, and probably Hatchi, Shakky, and Caimie...
Other than the old man, old woman, and fish people, it is more than likely that Perona would probably pick SH crew.
That doesn't tell me at all why the SH crew is a better choice than returning to Moria's crew, where she has a comfort zone and all the servants that she wants. Moria and Luffy are in the same place, so it's not like they can't meet up pretty easily.
When I type stuff like that, people can't seem to accept it. So, I basically just stress something until someone says "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed so that people follow along.
I can seriously go deep on this, but I choose to go "step by step" just to basically have people follow along.
I don't need some excruciatingly long, drawn out page for each simple point. Just give me the entire argument.
To be honest, no.
My Perona overview is rather deep… That is like a little sample from the surface.
When someone types:
-Zoro can't handle directions.
-Perona can.
-Perona and Zoro are on an island alone.
-Oda has Zoro get help with directions.
-Oda has two characters there.
-Perona and Zoro will go to SA.Now, in order to convince someone that Perona can join, this part basically relies on literal reads and judging her character.
One, you can claim she is lonely. Two, you can state that with evidence from the manga; according to Perona, she joined Moria's crew for a lousy concept like "fun"...
Yes, "fun".
So, after basically thinking that she's not having fun alone in her dream island of choice, she desires to have servants (a form of company) and therefore, if she wants "people" to be around, magically, she helps Zoro and then she asks to join because the loneliness in her heart forces her to seek attention/ company. her solution, according to what is known to be there at SA; SH crew, Rayleigh, and probably Hatchi, Shakky, and Caimie...
Other than the old man, old woman, and fish people, it is more than likely that Perona would probably pick SH crew.
When I type stuff like that, people can't seem to accept it. So, I basically just stress something until someone says "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed so that people follow along.
I can seriously go deep on this, but I choose to go "step by step" just to basically have people follow along.
Sounds like you're stretching facts to me. First, you're assuming Perona had a shallow reason to join Moria's crew, therefore her abandonment of her crew can be forgiven. I can't agree with that, because we don't know the exact circumstances. However, doesn't it make more sense to assume that whatever circumstance she joined Moria's crew will be the same as joining the Strawhats? The nakama theme is ongoing in One Piece, and the fact is Perona betrayed it and even now thinks little of over people. I can't see her turning around and becoming loyal to people when she hasn't done that in the past.
Second, you give a list of choices for Perona to join, but why assume she has to join anyone. Even taking into account that lonely thing, she isn't actually limited to those choices–there's all of Shabody she can search. Sorry, but that reasoning sounds more like slash fanfiction, where you pair characters with the ones you want and work around logic. Personally, I with Perona was suggested less, just because she's one of the worst characters for a Strawhat. I get what's cool about her. She's a powerful female fighter, something we just don't have enough of today. She has a cool ability and an interesting character design. But when you look at her there really not much to her character. The author's gone to good lengths to portray her as an annoying, petty brat.
Also, frankly Robin would kick Perona's bratty little ass in a non devil fruit fight. I hate seeing people hate on character they don't like for one's they like...and it's even worse that it's Perona in this case. Robin's a woman who's traveled the world fighting to survive, yes she had a DF then but still. Look at Enies Lobby, struggling against Spandam despite being trapped in seastone cuffs, she fought until she couldn't fight anymore then fought some more after being freed. Meanwhile, Perona begged for her life, cried, and fainted when Ussop trapped and threatened her. To say these character are similar is a big insult, even if you just generalized them to "girl's who can't fight without their DFs" (which still sounds pretty sexist to me). But, again, I don't think you, or Judgement's Shadow, really put much thought into that.
Yet, I ask you, what would Perona do if she was present for the crew's defeat by Kuma? I just can't see her working with this crew.
As far as other characters;
Jimbei, too big to fit on the ship (simple)
Margarite (stuck on AL)
Ace (IMO, he is basically not really been shown to stick with Luffy) {I can get into details on him too, as the other characters…}
Hancock (personally, I think she's just going to be tossed asunder.)
Croc (a good one... However, I question his character...)
Jinbei isn't really any bigger than Brook (he's wider but… so?).
Margaret is on AL but could easily be retrieved by going back, which has been foreshadowed.
Hancock you don't even have an argument against it sounds like, but rather you just don't like her.
Croc and Ace are ridiculous to begin with.
Yeah, I basically do one thing: Perona or bust!!
So, I seem to only accept Perona now. All the other characters, after hearing a billion arguments, have lost all interest in their tales and they aren't that easy to see happen. (IMO.)
I guess, I only want Perona as a candidate.
So, even though you claim your argument for Perona is based on logic, you're basically admitting that you're only arguing for her because you like her more. Nice.
This is just repetition of what you just tried to say. I'm waiting for an actual argument on why she'd join the SH crew over returning to Moria's crew at the very least.
That doesn't tell me at all why the SH crew is a better choice than returning to Moria's crew, where she has a comfort zone and all the servants that she wants. Moria and Luffy are in the same place, so it's not like they can't meet up pretty easily.
I don't need some excruciatingly long, drawn out page for each simple point. Just give me the entire argument.
OK. Fine.
According to story flow, if Perona takes Zoro to SA by their boat. There is very little information (if any) to suggest that Moria will be waiting around the corner for her to join his crew.
So, with Perona not being happy according to her rant on her reappearance after a supposed "closure" thanks to Kuma… She will pick the best choice that is in front of her; SH crew since they will probably try to hasten their departure, so as a means of not being left behind, she decides to board their ship.
Why?
It is because in the manga she joined Moria for a shallow reason (according to her) as "fun" and Luffy in the manga invites basically anything that walks without a reason at all (don't deny this)... So, if Moria isn't around at that precise time, she shouldn't be sent on some "mysterious" unknown quest to find Thriller Bark, because she may think that TB is destroyed since Zoro probably may say something like that.
If she has no "hope" to find Moria, why would she bother to go off and do that? It is fairly obvious that she could have gone and went off to find Moria on her own rather than be ranting and crying about how she is lonely.
She didn't... Oda might have made a mistake, or he is just telling us that she doesn't care for Moria at all anymore. So, he leaves her able to join with the SH crew over Moria because she doesn't know where Moria is or if he is alright.
The SH crew has been on a tight schedule since they entered the GL, so they won't wait around long after they reunite to leave towards the next island. When they go, assuming Perona does come with them, she's then "there" with the crew because she had nothing better to do...
Is this possible? yes. It's basically Robin, but different.
Sounds like you're stretching facts to me. First, you're assuming Perona had a shallow reason to join Moria's crew, therefore her abandonment of her crew can be forgiven. I can't agree with that, because we don't know the exact circumstances. However, doesn't it make more sense to assume that whatever circumstance she joined Moria's crew will be the same as joining the Strawhats? The nakama theme is ongoing in One Piece, and the fact is Perona betrayed it and even now thinks little of over people. I can't see her turning around and becoming loyal to people when she hasn't done that in the past.
I disagree.
Her shallow reason is canon by her own voice: "I only joined Moria's crew for FUN"… Yes, it is in the manga after she was defeated by Usopp and before she was removed from the story for that short while.
Would I be stretching those facts if they are what her "childlike" character seems to expand upon? I would think that I am not.
Second, yes, I haven't bothered to mention her past and what I assume of it... I can if you want, but I'd have to find it on a different site and stuff... Anyhow, her past is that she basically was not an original member of Moria's crew because all of them had been killed. So, she joined after Kaidou destroyed all of Moria's crew.
I like to think that she is a resident of the New World and was basically found by Moria some time after his defeat to Kaidou. In fact, the idea of the New World is that it is violent and bothersome... Note: I have a theory made to explain that the New World may be chaotic if you want to read...
Anyhow, my past is that she is a victim of war... Like a reference to Germany and WWII in a sense. It's "deep" so I'll stop here and stuff...
That would be the deeper part of her past and how it connects to the future (I have a theory of this too)...
Anyway, you said that she may "betray" them... And I ultimately say that it is a must; because according to the manga both Nami and Robin have done that, where as all the males have never done that.
Given that females seem to betray, I would think that maybe Perona betraying follows on (I have a pattern for this too...).
What happens after they betray the SH is that they officially join. So, Perona joins a little then leaves. Like Nami and Robin, who both joined a little and grew attached to the SH crew, Perona may do the same... Thus, she may find refuge in them, then fate pulls her away and the SH crew goes to save her.
So, she's basically free to "betray" them later.
Oda has done this and if he wished to tell his story this, he may do it again...
Second, you give a list of choices for Perona to join, but why assume she has to join anyone. Even taking into account that lonely thing, she isn't actually limited to those choices–there's all of Shabody she can search. Sorry, but that reasoning sounds more like slash fanfiction, where you pair characters with the ones you want and work around logic. Personally, I with Perona was suggested less, just because she's one of the worst characters for a Strawhat. I get what's cool about her. She's a powerful female fighter, something we just don't have enough of today. She has a cool ability and an interesting character design. But when you look at her there really not much to her character. The author's gone to good lengths to portray her as an annoying, petty brat.
OK. Now, why do I decide to make her basically be with the SH crew?
Well, looking at the manga, you always see characters have a closure, in some sense, in order for Oda to basically "remove them from the story without killing them" and stuff.
He has an issue at killing off characters, so he just does this instead.
However, Perona was basically given that by Kuma, but she was then shown back into the story.
I didn't understand why it was like that, but then after that, it seemed that Kuma didn't actually grant her wish and she was "unhappy" about that.
So, she had a tantrum and said: "I want Gecko Moria!! I want Zombie servants!! I miss Thriller Bark!!" Now, you might think, "this says she will join Moria again", however I disagree…
She left Moria because she was in danger over there, it was a happy place to her at that time, however, when Kuma sent her off... She seemed to be able to be happy again. So, her character was recycled. Yes? No, she's back... With her words, she doesn't seem certain that they are pretty much perfectly fine over at TB, so she basically hasn't left to got there because of that uncertainty.
Now, we can agree that she's been there for a little over a week probably.
She hasn't left to go and find Moria, so that means that she doesn't think that the SH crew were stopped and that Oz destroyed TB. She is basically no longer sure that TB is alive and well, so going back there now isn't better than staying where she is at the moment.
So, she stays and waits. Zoro comes in, he is beaten up and stuff... Now, she heals him up and stuff, they seem to interact. Anyway, she was afraid of Zoro so she didn't give him his swords, she also looked tired.
Point is that she was basically exhausted for helping Zoro out. She would then basically, "after days passed since Zoro had to rest to heal", be shown in AP form following Zoro as he got those "swords" back... Was it by force? or was it an agreement by the two... However, we can tell that the two were "together" for the moment it took Zoro to heal and recover. That may have solved her little rant since she has someone to talk to.
So, this may be the start of a "friendship" between the two. As I glance at the next two cover arc artworks, I see that Perona and Zoro are there.
She's in AP form to basically "check the high ground" as he is on the low ground. They may be searching for a ship to head out... Assuming that they had a mutual understanding and stuff.
If she might have asked Zoro on what happened to Moria, Zoro would say; "we defeated him" because they did it... So, it would basically leave her with one option over all the others... The SH crew.
Assuming she is then used to bring Zoro to SA and the ship, she can then basically be "closed" there, right?
NOT OBVIOUSLY...
As far as we know, she has basically only been in TB for ten years. It seems that a decade passed will not really leave any "friends" in SA for her, nor does she seem the type to have that many... So, she's able to either go mindlessly wonder for a place [not Oda like] or join up with the SH crew, who should be there or Rayleigh, who may basically be worse than the SH crew…
Figuring this, Perona might be more able to join the SH crew over all other known variables, especially since she may be led to think that Moria is either dead or no longer there...
That would be why should would join over all other choices...
Now, the idea that Perona is a bad person, I don't agree.
She has never "killed" anyone in front of our eyes. She hasn't even been there to basically harm Brook since she was asleep. As well as the idea that her DF doesn't really harm anyone.
She basically doesn't seem like she wants to hurt anyone and seems to fear taking someone's life. As she didn't comply with Zoro. So, if she seems so bent on nonviolence, it doesn't suggest she is evil at heart.
Neither does the idea that she treats her zombie people with respect and even treats everyone but seemingly Kumacy with respect, however, when he doesn't talk, she is nice. She shows compassion when they are purified which says that she's probably caring. So, this just shows that we don't have a right to judge what her character is really about because she may be kind in heart and actually just masking that.
Also, frankly Robin would kick Perona's bratty little ass in a non devil fruit fight. I hate seeing people hate on character they don't like for one's they like…and it's even worse that it's Perona in this case. Robin's a woman who's traveled the world fighting to survive, yes she had a DF then but still. Look at Enies Lobby, struggling against Spandam despite being trapped in seastone cuffs, she fought until she couldn't fight anymore then fought some more after being freed. Meanwhile, Perona begged for her life, cried, and fainted when Ussop trapped and threatened her. To say these character are similar is a big insult, even if you just generalized them to "girl's who can't fight without their DFs" (which still sounds pretty sexist to me). But, again, I don't think you, or Judgement's Shadow, really put much thought into that.
Ummm… I said "DF" is similar. According to that post, I countered it...
However, if you wish to go deeper, please tell me...
Yet, I ask you, what would Perona do if she was present for the crew's defeat by Kuma? I just can't see her working with this crew.
I can.
Let's see, there was something else I wanted to say… I remember now.
That "spoiled brat" character is something that the SH crew does not have yet. A "little" sister family role, it isn't there... So, Perona can be that LITTLE sister and is the only one aside from Caimie at this current story that may fit it.
Others don't follow, so I just accept that her character is fine. It doesn't need to be changed since all SH crew members get attached with each other and then decide to stay.
How was that?
inbei isn't really any bigger than Brook (he's wider but… so?).
Margaret is on AL but could easily be retrieved by going back, which has been foreshadowed.
Hancock you don't even have an argument against it sounds like, but rather you just don't like her.
Croc and Ace are ridiculous to begin with.
Not true, I have considered these greatly, but I really don't want to discuss them since I got sick of it in the past…
Jimbei is too wide to fit through the doors, given that, it's hard to imagine that Oda would make a mistake that badly in an effort to basically leave a plot hole for Jimbei to join.
He'd basically have to cover it up to redo the ship, which seems way too absurd. If he planned for Jimbei to join, he would have made the Sunny bigger or the man able to fit it.
So, it throws off him joining... The ship is basically Franky's dream, so basically upgraded it for a bigger one is not feasible.
Now, about Hancock, I have ZERO interest to voice my reasons against her. For that reason, I shall merely argue Perona. Maybe other characters on the side...
As far as liking her goes; not really. I just like the option/ idea of her joining... Her character isn't my favorite and stuff...
Basically, onemoment here's that "pattern" I was talking about: (Note: if you like Hancock, don't make a fuse over this; I don't want to argue why she shouldn't join...)
! My Official Pattern (Old; therefore, outdated… I may have new things to add.):
Notice: in order to find a pattern [a combination of qualities, acts, tendencies, etc., forming a consistent or characteristic arrangement-Dictionary.com] you must at least understand what similarities are present between what you have to work with, Nami and Robin.
! One Piece is the manga that the two characters come from… It's got a bunch of stories and fascinating things about it... So, here are the things that Nami and Robin have in common:
-Unofficially joins the crew after some bad guy gets defeated: Buggy for Nami and Crocodile for Robin.
-Goes on adventures with Luffy and his crew under this "unofficial" stature while with the crew: Nami goes to visit Gaimon, Usopp's village and has the whole Captain Kuro incident, and then she has the encounter with the two pirate hunters and the Baratie although not long. Robin heads to Jaya and then to Sky Island, she then has to participate in the Davy Back Fight, then she continues to the water train and then to Water 7; of course, the Admiral encounter will be mentioned later on... The official islands are Syrup Village [Nami visiting Usopp's island], Skypiea [Robin heading up to Sky Island], Long Ring Long Island [Robin meeting the Davy Back Fight thing and then the Admiral]…
-Their past is triggered by an introduction from a different character in the story, of this, the character [Nami or Robin] becomes aware of their surroundings and decides to leave the crew… They can since they never joined "officially". Nami's past was triggered by Yosuka and Joni when they dropped the bounty poster of Arlong. Robin's past was triggered when she met the Admiral and such. Nami left the crew after a few days of planning and such. Robin left the crew in a similar fashion, she left a few days of planning as well...
-This triggers a new arc to appear concerning the character that leaves and Luffy... In other words, Nami or Robin leave the crew and then Luffy follows them to go and retrieve them or make them join fully. Of course, Luffy knows nothing about why they left and their hardships/ past or anything at all about their reason to leave. Luffy meets them and then is introduced to their past and stories... he feels sad for them and stuff, but avoids it and then helps them out. He fights for their cause and then convinces each female, respectively to their own plot, that he wants them as nakama. Nami triggered the whole Arlong Arc... Robin triggered the whole CP9 and Water 7 arc...
-After they are saved by Luffy's actions, each of the female pledges loyalty and "officially" joins the crew after that. Nami joined the crew officially after Luffy took down Arlong Park and then yelled at her. Robin joined the crew officially after she was rescued and saved from the Buster Call as well as from CP9. Of course, the whole crew participates in helping retrieve the said nakama leaving...
! Some further things about the pattern, if by chance, Robin leaves again in the next "arc" or "saga" with someone else that's similar to how Nami left during Sky Island arc, then this would be another common thing between the two females.
! Now, the way this pattern relates to Hancock:
-Hancock has not yet met the rest of the crew at all... The other female SH members have met the other crew members of Luffy's crew at that time. Robin met all of the SH members on their ship after Whiskey Peak and before Little Garden. Nami met Zoro and Luffy on Port Orange. Hancock has only met Luffy and in no fashion has she ever met any of the other crew members...
-Hancock has already mentioned her "sad past" to Luffy, which goes against the pattern of surprise and a lot of other stuff. Nami merely said "I hate pirates because they killed someone..." and Robin never really said anything at all. Hancock has already exposed her whole entire horrific past about being enslaved to the Tenryuubito. This is also making it difficult to imagine that it will surprise the reader on what the next arc will be concerning the character's retrieval. In other words, when Hancock explained her past to Luffy, it kills the whole element of surprise. When Nami left, we didn't know anything about Arlong and what he was to her... We were surprised by Oda's storytelling of how she acted and we were judging her. Robin did the same thing and we were judging her as Sanji and Usopp were trying to save her on the train or when she was with CP9 during the assassination of Iceberg. We were surprised later on during the CP9 fight scene when her past was revealed; it was really suspenseful and such about how bad can Robin's past be that makes her feel that way. With Hancock, if she ever does "unofficially joins" and "meets the crew" beforehand, we already know that her past is about being tortured by slaves and such... It just doesn't seem surprising enough for us to care that much over. We know that Hancock was in that place for four years; how much horror happened during those years are all that remain unknown, just what kind of things did she suffer... We also can predict who this "terrifying" person that reminds her of the past is... We also know how she'll have to be saved and what not. This makes the story boring and predictable. Of these things, Nami and Robin's pasts were not predictable nor were they boring. Their additional recovery arcs weren't boring either... We didn't really expect "blank and blank" to occur or anything when we found out she left the crew [she = either one of them.].
-Even if Hancock joins "unofficially" and "meets the SH crew" then gets aboard the ship… She'll not really be able to share memories and bond with the crew members. As such, the story at the moment is near "Marijoes" and that's where the Tenryuubito reside. I don't think that the whole "leaving the crew to go to the Tenryuubito" will happen in the future after they actually enter the "New World" ... That's something that Hancock's story cannot provide, it cannot progress them further into the Grand Line, it has to take them back some time before they progress closer near Raftel. In other words, it becomes a predictable and dragging story concerning her joining the crew... Really annoying. Unless somehow her character has some massive attachment to the New World and their is an arc/ saga concerning her reason to leave the crew in that place; which we can eliminate because we know that she is a native of AL and isn't into the whole "let's explore the world" kind of thing with her woeful past and stuff. So, we can count this part out as well. She won't be able to fit any requirement concerning story progress or unpredictability here or anywhere.
! These are the main reasons why Hancock fails at the pattern; which Perona doesn't really fail at.
! -Perona has met most of the crew, save Chopper and Robin, but she did meet the rest of them and as a "ghost" she has met the whole crew in the dining room though.
! -Perona hasn't yet been "unofficially" able to join the crew at the moment. She is, however, able to somehow unofficially join that crew by means of following Zoro and leading him back to Rayleigh's location.
! -Her past is not even mentioned at all; so for all we know, she could be a native of the New World and have an arc devoted to explaining her past that way.
! -Her reason to leave isn't known and nor is she even "unofficially" within the crew... However, with the said requirements and current situation she may have a chance to "tag along" with the crew and follow the previous female pattern that I just mentioned above. This is, of course, a lot more able than the Hancock situation.
! The pattern is to predict the future events by means of a "character's story"... Not to determine which character is the best fit to join the crew based on two other characters that joined... You get why any pattern trying to compare Robin to Nami and what ways they joined and stuff won't work. The two characters are too different and they did not join the same way: alliance for Nami and self invited for Robin. That is why you can't make a pattern with that, but when you dig deeper into the story events surrounding them joining and their stay before they leave and so on, the pattern is able to be seen. Hancock has already broken that pattern and the story will not be surprising anymore...
Wow, that's really long, and very wordy.
According to story flow, if Perona takes Zoro to SA by their boat. There is very little information (if any) to suggest that Moria will be waiting around the corner for her to join his crew.
This is the first problem. Luffy and Moria are in the same exact spot. For her to get to where Luffy is in order to ask to join the crew, there is Moria right there.
It is fairly obvious that she could have gone and went off to find Moria on her own rather than be ranting and crying about how she is lonely.
No, the evidence suggests that there was no boat available. If there was, they wouldn't be wasting time scouting the island when Zoro should be in a hurry. She, and eventually Zoro, were most likely stuck there.
The SH crew has been on a tight schedule since they entered the GL, so they won't wait around long after they reunite to leave towards the next island. When they go, assuming Perona does come with them, she's then "there" with the crew because she had nothing better to do…
Luffy will probably be out for at least a week when the war is over due to the vigor hormones. Nami has already stated that the ship wont sail with the captain out of commission.
Is this possible? yes. It's basically Robin, but different.
No, Luffy created a debt to Robin by saving her life when she asked to die. He owed her a place to stay. Luffy doesn't owe Perona squat.
Anyway, you said that she may "betray" them… And I ultimately say that it is a must; because according to the manga both Nami and Robin have done that, where as all the males have never done that.
Neither Nami or Robin betrayed the crew, but rather used the "guise" of betrayal in attempt to be abandoned and not get them into a mess.
This is a very important point, now. Perona had a line, "I'm not gonna stick around if my life's on the line." (Stephen's trans, chapter 472). A very important trait of a crew member is that they are willing to risk their life. Luffy makes a point of this very specifically as shown in here:
@Stephen's:
Nami: Prepared? Prepared to take a human life so easily?
Is that what it takes to be a pirate…?Luffy: NO.
[…]
Luffy: You gotta be prepared to risk your OWN LIFE!! (chapter 10)
She doesn't have the willingness to risk her life, which should automatically disqualify her. Every crew member was able to do this naturally by the time they met Luffy.
Jimbei is too wide to fit through the doors, given that, it's hard to imagine that Oda would make a mistake that badly in an effort to basically leave a plot hole for Jimbei to join.
He'd basically have to cover it up to redo the ship, which seems way too absurd. If he planned for Jimbei to join, he would have made the Sunny bigger or the man able to fit it.
So, it throws off him joining… The ship is basically Franky's dream, so basically upgraded it for a bigger one is not feasible.
If it was really that big of a problem (which I don't think it is), Franky could make the door wider. It's not exactly a big deal. The Sunny itself is plenty big (again, Jinbei's not any taller than Brook, just wider).
Wow, that's really long, and very wordy.
Those are my short ones… My average is basically the size of this whole post.
I'm working on a full compiled one that actually explains all about Perona...
This is the first problem. Luffy and Moria are in the same exact spot. For her to get to where Luffy is in order to ask to join the crew, there is Moria right there.
Luffy and Moria are in MARINEFORD, which may be relatively near SA, however, Rayleigh said that he is a wanted man and will coat the ship in some random location, right?
Yes. Assuming the war does continue and the WB pirates save Ace, it is probable that they will then escape. Moria, who shouldn't be going off to follow Luffy and stay with him, would probably be somewhere "away" from Luffy since they'd probably battle each other and stuff.
If Perona heads through the only entrance to Marineford by ship, the she'd basically be in a situation to meet Moria, however, as the Crocodile and all the others keep stressing how impossible it is to just go around Marineford to get to SA, one should expect that they just basically sail some other way and stuff; sort of heading to the vicinity of the lawless location, in order to avoid detection and stuff… I would assume that Rayleigh would be around there and stuff.
Luffy will be basically "resting" as you said, so the idea is covered by means of basically sending him to be left in care of either the WB pirates or perhaps Shakky. He'll be resting hard since he's basically overused Gears and the Hormone Adrenaline Boost, plus the whole entire "ten years" exhaustion that basically happened... He'll be out for a while and that allows Oda to use a time skip. Assuming that "Zoro" may be the last to get back before Luffy wakes up, this may basically shorten the amount of time that Zoro would have to wait for Luffy to recover and hasten the amount of time that would expire before they leave with the said fishman group leading them to the next island.
Now, Perona comes into play because if she basically has been with Zoro for a while, she can then basically either "decide" to tag along or just wander aimlessly in search of something.
I would assume it would be to go with the SH crew because in order for her to go with Moria, she'd have to see that he is alright. As far as she knows, he is probably to be doomed and damaged...
So, I take it that due to her lack of options and dislike of being lonely, she'd just rush to join the crew.
No, the evidence suggests that there was no boat available. If there was, they wouldn't be wasting time scouting the island when Zoro should be in a hurry. She, and eventually Zoro, were most likely stuck there.
The evidence DOES not suggest that there is no boat. It doesn't show any thing about a boat. Maybe they are "currently" searching for one… So, the idea on what they are doing is basically dependent on what they are actually walking around for in the first place.
The "shadow" is basically something that can be another statue, someone, or whatever; being honest, we cannot see anything at all other than Perona and Zoro searching for something, if they are doing that.
So, we are free to either accept or reject the idea of a ship; as there is no definite proof to override our claims yet.
Luffy will probably be out for at least a week when the war is over due to the vigor hormones. Nami has already stated that the ship wont sail with the captain out of commission.
I agree…
Do I need to include this? I think that Grand Line travel takes a little longer than a week, so I just left this part out since you didn't want all the "daily" details of how Zoro cannot cook and would bicker on that. Basically, I was told to avoid the details, so I basically did.
No, Luffy created a debt to Robin by saving her life when she asked to die. He owed her a place to stay. Luffy doesn't owe Perona squat.
No, my point is that Robin was on the ship as they departed. Perona can be the same thing… If they throw her out in the middle of the sea, that I don't care about, I am just stating that she can be on the ship and such...
However, what I really think will happen takes too long to explain, so I won't get into it all that often.
Anyway, there is a lot of reason why Perona wouldn't be tossed aside. Something to do with the post war situation and the thought that she doesn't hold a bounty.
Neither Nami or Robin betrayed the crew, but rather used the "guise" of betrayal in attempt to be abandoned and not get them into a mess.
OK, then this applies to Perona, it really doesn't matter what you label it; they left and came back.
I'm being vague here…
This is a very important point, now. Perona had a line, "I'm not gonna stick around if my life's on the line." (Stephen's trans, chapter 472). A very important trait of a crew member is that they are willing to risk their life. Luffy makes a point of this very specifically as shown in here:
Yes, but you do have to understand that characters like Usopp hadn't done that at that moment. Pretend that Perona has no reason to go against Oz. Pretend that she fears him, for his size… Like how NAMI ran with ENEL because of the power he showed.
Now, given that, Nami should've been kicked out of the crew because of that, right? Well she wasn't, instead, she became a stronger character and a character change was shown...
So, this shows that a character can act cowardly and then change for the better; Perona can do the same. There's nothing that labels her a perpetual coward since she would then even try to take on Kuma... Give Zoro his swords if she did.
Basically, it isn't absolute that she's a coward... So, your judgment on the "outside" reference may be well used, however, it rarely becomes applicable to this situation...
She doesn't have the willingness to risk her life, which should automatically disqualify her.
She showed it going against Kuma… So, it shows that it is there...
If it was really that big of a problem (which I don't think it is), Franky could make the door wider. It's not exactly a big deal. The Sunny itself is plenty big (again, Jinbei's not any taller than Brook, just wider).
I am so against Oda being that wrong on it.
Yes, I know that Jinbei is not taller, he is "3" Luffy's in width. Therefore, since it can only be a "Luffy and a Usopp" that can fit at once through a door according to the manga example, it shows that a "3" Luffy seems like it will break it.
Then, "make it all wider" is something that seems so absurd because it's a plot hole and in addition you would have to increase every room for "2" Luffy to "3.1" Luffy…
Of course, this has a side effect that Chopper will have a hard time in half form and that'll probably lead to someone dying even... All because Chopper couldn't open a door fast enough.
Of course, that is before the problems with the layouts that the sunny already has and all the current stuff seems like franky is better off to just get a new ship than bother.
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If you do not think that Perona joins, please give me your best argument that you have against her, or even all of them… I'm up for a challenge, since it seems that this site doesn't have a massive obsession with Hancock and a massive hatred of any character that basically seems more likely than her to join. So, you guys seem to argue rationally, which I seem to notice.
Risking her life point was far more better than the stuff they suggest on OMF...
Luffy and Moria are in MARINEFORD, which may be relatively near SA, however, Rayleigh said that he is a wanted man and will coat the ship in some random location, right?
Wait wait, you think they're just going to all hang out on SA while Luffy is fighting to save Ace and wait for him? I'm actually going to be surprised if they don't show up at Marineford before the war is over.
I'm going to skip a lot because it's just differing theory which can't really be debated.
I agree…
Do I need to include this? I think that Grand Line travel takes a little longer than a week, so I just left this part out since you didn't want all the "daily" details of how Zoro cannot cook and would bicker on that. Basically, I was told to avoid the details, so I basically did.
I only brought that up because you said there was a tight time schedule, which in this case, there isn't.
No, my point is that Robin was on the ship as they departed. Perona can be the same thing… If they throw her out in the middle of the sea, that I don't care about, I am just stating that she can be on the ship and such...
I see, I suppose you could make that argument for just about anyone.
Yes, but you do have to understand that characters like Usopp hadn't done that at that moment. Pretend that Perona has no reason to go against Oz. Pretend that she fears him, for his size… Like how NAMI ran with ENEL because of the power he showed.
Now, given that, Nami should've been kicked out of the crew because of that, right? Well she wasn't, instead, she became a stronger character and a character change was shown...
Haha no. Nami knew she had no chance at beating Enel after seeing him decimate Zoro, Robin, Wiper, and Gan Fall. There's a huge difference between a person risking their life and throwing it away. I took it that she was just waiting for a more favorable opportunity to do something to help. Nami has shown that she is willing to risk her life time and time again. She was doing it for 10 years before she ever even met Luffy.
So, this shows that a character can act cowardly and then change for the better; Perona can do the same. There's nothing that labels her a perpetual coward since she would then even try to take on Kuma… Give Zoro his swords if she did.
Basically, it isn't absolute that she's a coward... So, your judgment on the "outside" reference may be well used, however, it rarely becomes applicable to this situation...
Perona: "I'm not willing to risk my life" (paraphrasing).
Luffy: "Pirates need to be willing to risk their own life".
The words are black and white. I'm not "judging" anything, but rather just taking words exactly how they're given to us. Spin it all you want, those words are still there and won't change.
She showed it going against Kuma… So, it shows that it is there...
She was cornered and thought she'd win. That's not her risking her life, that's her trying her best not to die. Even if you want to think it is, you can't take back her own words on the subject.
I am so against Oda being that wrong on it.
Yes, I know that Jinbei is not taller, he is "3" Luffy's in width. Therefore, since it can only be a "Luffy and a Usopp" that can fit at once through a door according to the manga example, it shows that a "3" Luffy seems like it will break it.Then, "make it all wider" is something that seems so absurd because it's a plot hole and in addition you would have to increase every room for "2" Luffy to "3.1" Luffy…
Of course, this has a side effect that Chopper will have a hard time in half form and that'll probably lead to someone dying even... All because Chopper couldn't open a door fast enough.
Of course, that is before the problems with the layouts that the sunny already has and all the current stuff seems like franky is better off to just get a new ship than bother.
What the heck is all of this? It's not as if the rooms are too small for Jinbei. The doorways might be (which I'm still not sold on as it is). It would take Franky all of 5 minutes to widen the doorways for him if he needed to. It wouldn't affect the layout of the ship at all.
Wait wait, you think they're just going to all hang out on SA while Luffy is fighting to save Ace and wait for him? I'm actually going to be surprised if they don't show up at Marineford before the war is over.
Really? I mean…maybe one person would show up, but I doubt that they will all show up. I mean, where's the argument for that? I bet that some of the crew members don't even have access to papers. Not only that, but I bet without Nami, people like Chopper, Usopp, maybe Franky and definitely Zoro can't navigate to Marinefold, nonetheless get in. Besides, I doubt that this "War" will be longer than a few days at the most. In the manga, it's probably only been a few hours since they've even gotten there. I'm betting that most of them will go to SA, and if the War's still going on at that point, whoever is there will leave and try to go help Luffy...but we've had no indication that their even off of the islands they were sent to.
AGOG, you seem to be streching facts and looking for patterns that are not there. Crocdile has a better chance of joining than Perona,and i'm not saying that because i think Croc will join, his chances are almost zero, so that tells what i think of her chances. you are over lookng one very important fact with Strawhats joining, they were always some major/important ally in the arc they join. What has Perona done?
Jimbei,Croc, Hancock, and Iva are at least important ally's to Luffy now, and i personally don't think any of them will join. i don't think they will even get a crew member from this arc, but that another thing all together.
Really? I mean…maybe one person would show up, but I doubt that they will all show up. I mean, where's the argument for that? I bet that some of the crew members don't even have access to papers. Not only that, but I bet without Nami, people like Chopper, Usopp, maybe Franky and definitely Zoro can't navigate to Marinefold, nonetheless get in. Besides, I doubt that this "War" will be longer than a few days at the most. In the manga, it's probably only been a few hours since they've even gotten there. I'm betting that most of them will go to SA, and if the War's still going on at that point, whoever is there will leave and try to go help Luffy...but we've had no indication that their even off of the islands they were sent to.
This really isn't the thread for this so I'll just keep it short and simple and I wont respond to it again (here, we could take it to another thread though). The war is occurring a week after the crew was split up. They were supposed to meet up at the ship after only 3 days. Even if it took everyone in the crew twice as long to get there, there is still plenty of time and there are tons of reasons why the crew could learn about the war, and it'd actually be shocking if they didn't. Also, there's all the typical OP stuff about how the entire crew should grow together, and Luffy doesn't want to do things with out them, etc etc. Oda's writing style is really what leads me to believe that they'll show up, along with the fact that it's feasible for them to do so.
Wait wait, you think they're just going to all hang out on SA while Luffy is fighting to save Ace and wait for him? I'm actually going to be surprised if they don't show up at Marineford before the war is over.
I'm going to skip a lot because it's just differing theory which can't really be debated.
You expect for them to appear in the battle (some war…)?
I mean, I don't... I would expect them to basically never do that. The thought can exist, but they haven't even been given reason to do that.
I'd think that'd be rather cheesy of Oda to do that.
Yeah, feel free to do that. (in reference to the bold text)
I only brought that up because you said there was a tight time schedule, which in this case, there isn't.
You want to hear why?
Well, ever since Little Garden, the SH crew's progress has increased greatly and they basically only head forward… As well as Nami's dream, the map, was completely ruined for the current progress after Little Garden.
So, since they keep on going at their hastened pace, they seem to be on a "time schedule" based upon Oda's writing.
For instance, they'd have to have stayed at Little Garden for a whole year; instead, they never did... They basically skipped going through islands as they basically took a one way trip to Alabasta and then they went straight to Sky Island in like a week... A day after, they basically left Sky Island and ended up with Water 7 eventually.
Since they keep on this pace, I think that they will just leave as fast as possible to get to the next island and stuff. So, there is a time that they follow. I would think so.
I see, I suppose you could make that argument for just about anyone.
Yes, you could very well do that.
Haha no. Nami knew she had no chance at beating Enel after seeing him decimate Zoro, Robin, Wiper, and Gan Fall. There's a huge difference between a person risking their life and throwing it away. I took it that she was just waiting for a more favorable opportunity to do something to help. Nami has shown that she is willing to risk her life time and time again. She was doing it for 10 years before she ever even met Luffy.
Perona knew she had no chance of defeating a massive guy like Oz, right? He was also looking for a "girl" and she was so scared that she ran… When she saw Kuma, who wasn't as big, she figured she could take him...
Yeah (I'm not a Nami hater, she's my second favorite character, however, I used her for the argument; she did basically betray them.) ...
However, Perona was basically in the same position: "Oz looking for a girl." He smashed open the whole wall... She ran like a scared girl. Before then, Oz destroyed all of the zombie generals and basically forced her to be scared of him.
I mean, did Nami really want to be attacked by Oz? No. She was cowering at the very top... She was technically afraid herself. Even when she saw him, she refused to accept it and move on.
That is Nami. Much like how Usopp was afraid of Oz too.
Everyone was sort of scared of Oz. Perona is no different and that was why she basically made an effort to flee. She got scared of Oz.
Perona: "I'm not willing to risk my life" (paraphrasing).
Luffy: "Pirates need to be willing to risk their own life".The words are black and white. I'm not "judging" anything, but rather just taking words exactly how they're given to us. Spin it all you want, those words are still there and won't change.
Yeah, I know… Read the one before this, I think that may answer it in a sense.
However, Luffy is different from that, he also said it in chapter 10 or 9 ...
Nami never really said that, did she? I mean, not many of the characters are extremely brave all the time... They cower time to time. However, when they "must" do it, they show that chance to basically risk their life.
Perona was probably able to demonstrate this when she faced Kuma. Or you can read this...
She was cornered and thought she'd win. That's not her risking her life, that's her trying her best not to die. Even if you want to think it is, you can't take back her own words on the subject.
True. Hmmm… How about her fight with Usopp, after all the running and stuff; she showed some bravado even though Usopp was basically BA the whole time after.
I don't know, it's sort of unfair to judge her with this thing really... She keeps facing people that end up being "Scary" and unreal in her eyes. Like Oz, Usopp, and Kuma.
I guess it's just up to how you want to call Kuma that, she was technically afraid of him, and she wasn't really in danger at that moment until she provoked it. This really has a lot less sense in it. In other to argue this, you would have to suggest that Perona was not a "pirate" at that moment in time, so she didn't have to be forced to follow the rule, if she were to become a "pirate" then surely she would do that...
However, this is just playing around with words and meanings... So, I personally think that this is a hard thing to judge for her, since it's fairly hard to even be able to enforce this.
What the heck is all of this? It's not as if the rooms are too small for Jinbei. The doorways might be (which I'm still not sold on as it is). It would take Franky all of 5 minutes to widen the doorways for him if he needed to. It wouldn't affect the layout of the ship at all.
The doorways are "1 Luffy and 1 Usopp" in width, Jimbei is around 3 Luffy.
Usopp = Luffy just about…
So, 3 ≠ 2 Luffy.
Having to increase every door will lead to a completely redone ship.... IN other words, Oda will have to say that he made a plot hole present.
_So, if Oda wanted a character like Jimbei to join, in order to avoid a plot hole, he might have made the ship fit him or the character fit in.
@Herr:
AGOG, you seem to be streching facts and looking for patterns that are not there. Crocdile has a better chance of joining than Perona,and i'm not saying that because i think Croc will join, his chances are almost zero, so that tells what i think of her chances. you are over lookng one very important fact with Strawhats joining, they were always some major/important ally in the arc they join. What has Perona done?
Jimbei,Croc, Hancock, and Iva are at least important ally's to Luffy now, and i personally don't think any of them will join. i don't think they will even get a crew member from this arc, but that another thing all together.
First off, most of these are my personal observations and those would never be defined as "facts" …
Second off, the "pattern" I have basically provided is basically just a "comparison" of the female characters as opposed to what the "next female" may do... It basically says nothing that the character will join, just what may happen after they join.
You are overlooking that this current arc seems to indicate her being an ally or anything. Yes, I do have to insist on saying that basically, Brook joined [he accepted] before he even had a single role in the story on that arc… Then, he left. However, the act that he accepted it shows that this "idea" does not apply since he could have stayed and have joined without even contributing to the arc at all...
Perona, whatever future arcs she may play a role in, hasn't even been shown in detail. So, I personally think that you are basically assuming even more than I do, since you expect arcs to exist right now and then.
I haven't even started my massive assumptions that continue to "spread" ideas on her character... So, that assumption that she won't have an arc to play a role in doesn't matter.
To be honest, I think that this idea isn't even really that good to be used as a constant. I personally think it underperforms. This is not that it kills my candidate, it just basically says "Any character that plays a role in the arc joins!!" as if that was even worthwhile to note.
Gaimon was like that, he never joined. Iceberg did the same thing, he never joined. Not to mention Conis and all those other characters, so in a sense, even Vivi fits this idea and it didn't work... In a sense, this is utter nonsense.
No offense.
This really isn't the thread for this so I'll just keep it short and simple and I wont respond to it again (here, we could take it to another thread though). The war is occurring a week after the crew was split up. They were supposed to meet up at the ship after only 3 days. Even if it took everyone in the crew twice as long to get there, there is still plenty of time and there are tons of reasons why the crew could learn about the war, and it'd actually be shocking if they didn't. Also, there's all the typical OP stuff about how the entire crew should grow together, and Luffy doesn't want to do things with out them, etc etc. Oda's writing style is really what leads me to believe that they'll show up, along with the fact that it's feasible for them to do so.
I don't think that Zoro would heal in three days. I also don't know what how much time has passed for Zoro's cover art series.
Personally, I think that this is something that isn't Oda-like because it is so sudden. Oda has a rather timely pace, if he wanted to hasten his pace, he wouldn't have basically sent Luffy to Marineford and such… To be honest, he would have ended the series 5 years ago as he intended._
@AGOG - wow that is super long post..
But i still don't think anyone mention above will join the SHs..It'll be a new one
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@AGOG - wow that is super long post..
But i still don't think anyone mention above will join the SHs..It'll be a new one
But there's nothing you can do to basically explain that this new character even exists. In other words, it doesn't really do anything at all for discussion.
If we all said: "no new nakama" every time, then we may not even get anything going on.
And personally, I'd find it really boring.
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@AGOG - wow that is super long post..
But i still don't think anyone mention above will join the SHs..It'll be a new one
Super long posts are typically the better ones, they seem to contain a lot of heart in the argument.
I agree with @AGOG 's post pretty much, but I also think that Oda may not do that and just have her as a recurring side character like Bon Clay. But you never know, I mean, it may turn out that Oda was planning to have Perona join all along, he's the author, he'll come up with something good.
I don't think it can be denied at this point that she will have a future involvement of some kind. I can almost see her being roped into a huge chain of events. She obviously strives for companions. At least in the anime it showed that she was determined to keep that company around. I think she just has an odd an spoiled way of showing it.
Bentham has an issue; his VA was used by Franky so that killed his chance of joining; probably lead to his death.
Perona's VA has nothing of that sort, so in a sense, she can still join…
Yes, when you get into the VA aspect, they do seem to be important over at OMF for some reason... However, it could be debated that when Oda took the VA from Bentham to become the VA for Franky, it was to be permanent and Bentham had no shot to join over that... One can assume.
Bentham has an issue; his VA was used by Franky so that killed his chance of joining; probably lead to his death.
Perona's VA has nothing of that sort, so in a sense, she can still join…
Yes, when you get into the VA aspect, they do seem to be important over at OMF for some reason... However, it could be debated that when Oda took the VA from Bentham to become the VA for Franky, it was to be permanent and Bentham had no shot to join over that... One can assume.
that's pretty much a uselss argument, do you know how many tv series have one person do multiple voices?
"Shh! my common sense is tingling"
Jesus loves you…...but I'm his favorite.
In this case though, they have the exact same voice. Go to Youtube or wherever, the only real difference between Franky and Mr. 2 is that Mr. 2 usually has a slightly fruity delivery, which he drops from time to time.
You expect for them to appear in the battle (some war…)?
I mean, I don't... I would expect them to basically never do that. The thought can exist, but they haven't even been given reason to do that.
I'd think that'd be rather cheesy of Oda to do that.
I answered this above. This isn't the thread but I'll argue it elsewhere.
You want to hear why?
Well, ever since Little Garden, the SH crew's progress has increased greatly and they basically only head forward… As well as Nami's dream, the map, was completely ruined for the current progress after Little Garden.
So, since they keep on going at their hastened pace, they seem to be on a "time schedule" based upon Oda's writing.
For instance, they'd have to have stayed at Little Garden for a whole year; instead, they never did... They basically skipped going through islands as they basically took a one way trip to Alabasta and then they went straight to Sky Island in like a week... A day after, they basically left Sky Island and ended up with Water 7 eventually.
Since they keep on this pace, I think that they will just leave as fast as possible to get to the next island and stuff. So, there is a time that they follow. I would think so.
Well, they were in a hurry to get to Arabasta since they needed to stop a war. Even still they stopped at Drum along the way out of necessity. They were in Skypeia for a while, it was even said somewhere that the party afterwards lasted for several days. They spent about a week on Long Ring Long Island waiting for Luffy to recover from his fight with Aokiji.
It's not as if the crew doesn't take their time, it's just that Oda has no reason to waste panels if nothing is happening. A week can pass between two panels and there's no reason for us to care.
Perona knew she had no chance of defeating a massive guy like Oz, right? He was also looking for a "girl" and she was so scared that she ran… When she saw Kuma, who wasn't as big, she figured she could take him...
[…]
However, Perona was basically in the same position: "Oz looking for a girl." He smashed open the whole wall… She ran like a scared girl. Before then, Oz destroyed all of the zombie generals and basically forced her to be scared of him.
Maybe not, but she could have looked for Moria and tried to help him. However, that would put her life in danger, according to her. Therefore, her life is more important to her than her own captain (who she enjoyed being with). That's not Straw Hat material.
Also, please, it was romanized as Oars a few months ago by Oda.
Yeah (I'm not a Nami hater, she's my second favorite character, however, I used her for the argument; she did basically betray them.) …
Differing opinion I suppose. I never got the vibe that she ever betrayed them. She just picks her moments carefully.
I mean, did Nami really want to be attacked by Oz? No. She was cowering at the very top… She was technically afraid herself. Even when she saw him, she refused to accept it and move on.
That is Nami. Much like how Usopp was afraid of Oz too.
She was on a mission to get the treasure and save the ship, which needed to be taken care of. It's not that she was unwilling to help (as she went back and helped as soon as business was taken care of), but rather that she prioritized saving the ship and getting the treasure first. This was the right decision, since she had faith that the crew would manage in the fight without her, but she assumed nobody was going to save the ship if she didn't.
Everyone was sort of scared of Oz. Perona is no different and that was why she basically made an effort to flee. She got scared of Oz.
Being afraid has nothing to do with it. What's important is the actions that are taken in the end.
However, Luffy is different from that, he also said it in chapter 10 or 9 …
Nami never really said that, did she? I mean, not many of the characters are extremely brave all the time... They cower time to time. However, when they "must" do it, they show that chance to basically risk their life.
Luffy said that TO Nami, and Nami went ahead and risked her own life.
True. Hmmm… How about her fight with Usopp, after all the running and stuff; she showed some bravado even though Usopp was basically BA the whole time after.
She showed bravado when she was nothing more than an illusion and thought she had nothing to fear anymore. She got freaked out and scared when he finally found her real body.
I don't know, it's sort of unfair to judge her with this thing really… She keeps facing people that end up being "Scary" and unreal in her eyes. Like Oz, Usopp, and Kuma.
It's not unfair. Everyone goes up against scary people. The fact is that when things got bad, she chose to save her own skin and abandon her captain who was still fighting. She even tried to steal all his money in the process.
I guess it's just up to how you want to call Kuma that, she was technically afraid of him, and she wasn't really in danger at that moment until she provoked it. This really has a lot less sense in it. In other to argue this, you would have to suggest that Perona was not a "pirate" at that moment in time, so she didn't have to be forced to follow the rule, if she were to become a "pirate" then surely she would do that…
A pirate flag is something you devote your life to. Luffy's words.
The doorways are "1 Luffy and 1 Usopp" in width, Jimbei is around 3 Luffy.
Usopp = Luffy just about…
So, 3 ≠ 2 Luffy.
Having to increase every door will lead to a completely redone ship.... IN other words, Oda will have to say that he made a plot hole present.
_So, if Oda wanted a character like Jimbei to join, in order to avoid a plot hole, he might have made the ship fit him or the character fit in.
Ok no. Franky making adjustments to the ship to accommodate a new crew member is by no means a plot hole. It's both reasonable and realistic. It's not as if Franky should be expected to know who was going to join the crew a few islands down the line and build the ship to accommodate it initially. This is a very silly argument._
there will be 2 more crew members but we have yet to see them one will
come in fishman island and the second will come after the grand line
there will be 2 more crew members but we have yet to see them one will
come in fishman island and the second will come after the grand line
What made you come to that conclusion?
Also regarding my two cents on the next crewmember, Luffy said at the beginning that he only wanted ten members so I think only one more will be necessary. Secondly, I think another female member should come in since well…theres not enough :happy:
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What made you come to that conclusion?
Also regarding my two cents on the next crewmember, Luffy said at the beginning that he only wanted ten members so I think only one more will be necessary. Secondly, I think another female member should come in since well…theres not enough :happy:
Luffy doesn't count>.>
What made you come to that conclusion?
Also regarding my two cents on the next crewmember, Luffy said at the beginning that he only wanted ten members so I think only one more will be necessary. Secondly, I think another female member should come in since well…theres not enough :happy:
Explaining it once again. Luffy said he wanted ten people. Zoro's chapter was called ''The First'', while Brook's chapter was called ''The Eighth'', so basic math tells us that there will be two more people.
Plus, imagine the group shots if there are only ten people. There wouldn't be an even number of people to stand on either side of Luffy.
He said he wanted about 10 members, so I believe he will get 11 members. It's also part wishful thinking, new nakama are always great (unless it turns out to be hancock:getlost:). I don't really take sides on whether or not luffy is included.
I'm actually at the stage where I don't think we'll get any new members. And I'm cool with that.
If Inazuma wants to join though, that'd be fucking fantastic.
I'm actually at the stage where I don't think we'll get any new members. And I'm cool with that..
Despite my many theroies, I can believe this. There's lots pointing to it.
Regardless, I don't think they'll leave Fishman Island without a crew member of some sort. Why:
-Luffy
-Chopper
-Robin
-Brook
4 Devil Fruit Users and while the number of non-DF users is greater, there is gonna be a scramble if no one can get to them when their thrown into sea. The crew perhaps needs a person to balance the odds.
In which:
-Perona's real defence is the fact Luffy wanted one of her ghosts as a pet. There is some potential here then that he'd be willing to accept her despite her history on Thriller Bark once she shows her powers. Plus Luffy trusts and respects Zoro so if she impresses Zoro she'll easily trust Zoro's recommendation anyday.
-Camie impressed Luffy when they first met her and her fish summoning abilities caught his attention (we'd never be without food with you around).
-Jinbei has caught Luffy's attention since he summoned the whales upon leaving Impel Down on the "awesome" scale, and had impressed him before that. Top it off, Jinbei's got GOOD interaction with Luffy since they met, their goals have been simulair and Jinbei's kept Luffy focused throughout his recruitment to Luffy's attack force at Marine HQ. At the moment, Nami's the problem here, how is she going to react to seeing the guy who "unleashed" Arlong onto the East Blue? It took a Hatchan getting shot at before she finally tipped the scales over that were against him.
Luffy's not been doing his "I want to recuit you" routine as of late though. But these are the three we know impressed him since he last recruited someone.
I miss our current members though as of late… I want them back over new members! Get them back, then I'll care for new members. They've been gone for a good part of this year and I miss the crazzy guys like Zoro.
At the moment, Nami's the problem here, how is she going to react to seeing the guy who "unleashed" Arlong onto the East Blue? It took a Hatchan getting shot at before she finally tipped the scales over that were against him.
Despite being against Jinbei (although, partly because I just dont think he's that interesting), I don't see that as a problem for him joining. If she forgave Hatchan who actually took part in the attacks I don't see why she wouldnt forgive Jinbei.
At the moment, Nami's the problem here, how is she going to react to seeing the guy who "unleashed" Arlong onto the East Blue?
I doubt that would play a factor in things. For starters, she is not that irrational or judgemental. Her hate was for Arlong, primarily, and by association the other Arlong Pirates. Jinbei might be believe himself to be mildly responsible for the actions of Arlong, but in truth he is likely not the reason himself. Plus, we know via Crocodile that Jinbei is a rarity among Fishman (as far as morality goes, I suppose). While it is possible Nami knows of Jinbei's terms for becoming a Warlord, she would (presumably) meet Jinbei when she reunites with Luffy, which should make it clear where Jinbei's loyalties lie. Oh, and let us not forget that Jinbei (more than likely) plans to tell the tale of Arlong to Luffy, showing his deep regret of the situation and debt towards Luffy. The readers will likely get another taste of Jinbei's character via flashback, since I assume that is how Oda will handle Fisher Tiger's past.
Also regarding my two cents on the next crewmember, Luffy said at the beginning that he only wanted ten members so I think only one more will be necessary. Secondly, I think another female member should come in since well…theres not enough :happy:
Luffy anounced that he wants 10 people and Zoro was the "first person". Do the math. 
Heh heh…I never was good at math 
Which would explain your faulty assumption. ;P
i think it would be very Oda to some how completely shock us with the end crew number like have a full ship even hint that its full and then add 1 more towards the end
or my fav idea all of their temp nakama some how r able to be their in the big finale with them as part of the crew!
I doubt that would play a factor in things. For starters, she is not that irrational or judgemental. Her hate was for Arlong, primarily, and by association the other Arlong Pirates. Jinbei might be believe himself to be mildly responsible for the actions of Arlong, but in truth he is likely not the reason himself. Plus, we know via Crocodile that Jinbei is a rarity among Fishman (as far as morality goes, I suppose). While it is possible Nami knows of Jinbei's terms for becoming a Warlord, she would (presumably) meet Jinbei when she reunites with Luffy, which should make it clear where Jinbei's loyalties lie. Oh, and let us not forget that Jinbei (more than likely) plans to tell the tale of Arlong to Luffy, showing his deep regret of the situation and debt towards Luffy. The readers will likely get another taste of Jinbei's character via flashback, since I assume that is how Oda will handle Fisher Tiger's past.
Seeing as how he is dead… Flashback is indeed most likely...
I was going to explain in detail in my last post how i came up with my conclusion. But i got to late on me so I'm going to going to do so now. First off I like to point out like most people have that luffy said that he wanted a crew of at least 10 and zoro was the first.So with that said we now have 8 now not counting luffy himself. That leaves 2 more people to join. Now like i said in my first post we have yet to meet the last to members of the crew but I'll get to that later.Now so what i think the first one will be a fishman and yes i said fishman not mermaid i think his job on the crew will be helmsman and he will be a octopus type fishman but not Hachi. I would like to see his fighting style as boxing and i would also like to see him having a flying fish like the flying fish rider that he would store ing the last spot of the docking system.
The reason for joining is he get a bounty while fighting along side the strawhats on fishman island.Dream boxing champ.Ok now for the second one i would like to seen will come after the grand line and she will a scout. she will be a fruit user The Tori Tori no Mi, Model: eagle. The reason for coming after the the grand line is scout were normally natives to the region in which they were sailing.
Now I'll go in to the reason it is not some of the people that have been discussed time and time again.First off let look at the strawhats as being a power scale with luffy being the highest power and usopp being the lowest.
Now with that said general rule of thumb is no crew member is to be stronger then the captain which in this case is Luffy so that eliminates boa, **Jinbei and crocodile.**I know that you are going to say Luffy beat crocodile which means he is not stronger then luffy. Others that have been mentioned is ace but i think if ace make it out alive and whitebeard dose not. Then he will start chasing after onepiece himself and try to become thepirate king like the man that he calls his father wanted.Now for Hachi currently is already fulfilling his dream as a cook so no dream no join.Now for camie.Let go back to the first part of what i said about the power scale. oda has stated that usopp will always be the weakest. not saying she isn't strong but we also have to take in account she doesn't have legs yet so she can't go on land very well. and now last but not least perona do you really want to see here running around all the time whining about nobody doing what she wants to do or using here power to make every one depressed all the time. Really come now you might as well say the old guy with nami is going to join.
Seeing as how he is dead… Flashback is indeed most likely...
No, I meant that I assume Oda will handle Fisher Tiger's past via Jinbei's flashback specifically. Not simply "via flashback" or someone retelling a story like Hancock did.
After this chapter I think Jinbei has surpassed Boa in terms of joning. Jinbei this time really showed us that he is more of a nakama than Boa. Boa is nice to Luffy but was she ever nice to others?
And with FI coming I fully can see Jinbei gets his flashback and we will find a way lot more about him.
What we know
After this chapter I think Jinbei has surpassed Boa in terms of joning. Jinbei this time really showed us that he is more of a nakama than Boa. Boa is nice to Luffy but was she ever nice to others?
And with FI coming I fully can see Jinbei gets his flashback and we will find a way lot more about him.
What we know
- He has a dept to Luffy and problably Nami
- Luffy is really amazed by his skills and the are teaming up all the time now. (Boa still is on the wrong side) … I just say THAT face of Luffy and the scene where they meet and look each others in the eyes without words shows that Luffy trusts him. Hell the whole chained up scene is similar to Zoros
- He lost his status (Boa have her status and is still on the wrong side)
- FI is coming
Yeah chapter gives a boost for Jinbei, but we have to wait. Other characters have some chapter with hints as well. Nuff more to say
I vote for Crocodile… He saved Ace from execution, and that's something. Through Iva's words we know there's something in his past we don't know (teary flashback incoming?), and from Miss Goldenweek's mini-arc we discovered that his dream was to be become the Pirate King too. Plus, in chapter 0 he's the only one, during Roger's execution, whose face is not showed, so his emotions can be various. Oh, I forgot the main thing: he's awesomely cool.
Despite being against Jinbei (although, partly because I just dont think he's that interesting), I don't see that as a problem for him joining. If she forgave Hatchan who actually took part in the attacks I don't see why she wouldnt forgive Jinbei.
Well lets say a gang leader "sent" his men to beat up and kill your best friend or a loved one. Whether or not he played part in it doesn't matter, you're still going to have some grudge against the leader of the gang for it.
This is the kind of situation Nami could be in when she meets Jinbei, she knows Arlong only came to the East Blue because he allowed for it. Don't forget, Arlong was enough to initally make Nami STAB herself (unless you saw the 4Kids version) where his tattoo was. She may or may not expect him to be a bigger monster then Arlong.
Had Hatchi not got shot at the slave house, she would not have completely lost her grudge against him as it were for his part in Arlong's gang. She kept her "distance" so to speak until that point don't forget. At this point, I consider Nami the biggest hurdle Jinbei has, and some resolution has to be met between the pair, just as Usopp and Franky had to come to terms with each other.
I must say, Nami meeting Jinbei has actually been my most anticapated moment for a long while. And since we know what Jinbei is like, its going to tbe intereasting. Jinbei I doubt is anything Nami would expect him to be after seeing his equal Arlong in action.
I vote for Crocodile… He saved Ace from execution, and that's something. Through Iva's words we know there's something in his past we don't know (teary flashback incoming?), and from Miss Goldenweek's mini-arc we discovered that his dream was to be become the Pirate King too. Plus, in chapter 0 he's the only one, during Roger's execution, whose face is not showed, so his emotions can be various. Oh, I forgot the main thing: he's awesomely cool.
I have one problem about Crocodile joining the Strawhats albeit very minor… What will happen to Mr. 1? It hits me like Mr. 1 is going to follow Croc forever. And I don't think Mr. 1 is Strawhat material.
I have been rooting for Jimbei to become a strawhat ever since his name is said on the Arlong arc. Yes, he has the right attitude, but what are we going to do with the huge difference in power? My hope is still high for Jimbei to join the crew but, yeah, I might be dissapointed.
Hell he has now even more chances than Boa in my eyes. The flashback will be shown in FI and the same for the Luffy thing he mentioned.
He wasn't shown in chapter 0 maybe cuz we will see him later on in his flashback.
And say what you want… he has more chances than Boa. He thrrew away his status is fighting and teaming with Luffy instead of being still on the wrong side.
Jinbei had the patented new member "Ready to die for my friends" speech in the chapter that was just released. All we need now is for Luffy to defeat someone that Jinbei can't and Oda's habits will be mostly taken care of.
Guess I'll share my personnal opinion on this, too… Don't know if anyone else has already addressed the possibility or not, and don't feel like reading 280 pages just to find out, so meh :P
I think there's a good possiblity Brooke was the latest nakama to join the straw hats - for two reasons.
From very early in the journey, Luffy's been saying they should get a musician. That they needed a navigator, a cook, a doctor and a shipwright was only decided when the need for it became all too clear, right before they'd actually get someone to fill the opening. The need of a sniper or an archeologist was never even mentioned before they joined. I believe Oda's been foreshadowing that the crew would be "complete" once a musician joined the Straw Hats.
My other reason for having these thoughts, are the events on the Shabondy archipelago, id est, the falling apart. If the straw hats had found their way back to each other in no time, I wouldn't really think of this as much of a point, but by now, it's been over 50 chapters since they broke apart, and it doesn't look like they'll be rejoining right away. It strikes me as though the shattering of the crew is something to do, only once the crew is complete, and they then have to find each other again.
I am well aware that both my reasons are hardly evidence, and my gut feeling can be off from time to time, and I'm definitely not going to announce my thoughts as the one and only truth. It's just the impression I'm getting ^^
croco for nakama….
and mr 1 can just die on this war...or magellan will get him again..
Jinbei had the patented new member "Ready to die for my friends" speech in the chapter that was just released. All we need now is for Luffy to defeat someone that Jinbei can't and Oda's habits will be mostly taken care of.
FI is coming
