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Then losing his position (imprisonment) made it seem obvious to me that he would be a sitting duck post-escape, now that he lacks a crew and is a wanted pirate. Lastly, I considered his desire to resist the war to be a unique trait amongst the Warlords, and in particular, amongst fishmen.
Actually, chapter 546 seems to indicate that Jinbei is still a pirate captain.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/546/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/546/10/
The most common argument. I do not deny the possibility, but I find it unlikely. Here is why:
(Chapter 529) Jinbei: "Many fishmen and mermaids were kidnapped… sold...When we had all shut our eyes tight against despair, Whitebeard made his appearance…" Here I am assuming he is including himself to be one of those in despair. Even were he fighting back to protect at the time, he was clearly not enough to quell the issue. What makes you think he can do it now? And let's not forget Jinbei is an Ex-Warlord now, who would stick out at Fishman Island like a sore thumb. Should he attempt to protect the place, the World Government and bounty hunters would only cause more problems for the island. So how could Oda resolve this problem again? The only thing I can imagine off the top of my head would be someone of high standing making Whitebeard's same declaration; my first thought would be Luffy. Some have suggested Ace. Were it Luffy, clearly he would not have a great enough name to make much an impact, but I have suggested that in this case it would be in Jinbei's interest to ensure that Luffy rises to such infamy. Still, this is a suggestion based off a potential future circumstance. While Jinbei could very likely stay and help, I would think his presence presents more of a problem than anything.
Mmmm. The WG not wanting Jinbei going home is a fair enough point. Though it's be interesting to see how well they could fight underwater. I'd suspect Jinbei is far more powerful then when Newgate used the power of his name to save the island.
With Fishmen guarding the city, they could stop anyone from ever getting close to the enbubbled city, which would mean the effectiveness of DF powered marines would be cut down. Mind you, I'm making some assumptions of the layout here, so it's shaky ground.
I guess I just instinctively feel that he's too strong for the strawhats.
Let's pretend this happens. When it does, you will still have been wrong. Everything that you have said has been fairly shut down. You will simply be a fortunate soul who predicted Oda pulling something out of his ass. PS: I personally like Hancock. She isn't an amazing character by any means, but I have come to like her (flaws and all).
16 characters, insert randomness.
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No everything I've said has been shutdown because I shouldn't of bothered trying to make a scenario in which she join, but as I said you guys weren't hitting me with airtight logic either, it waa mostly opinions and assumptions such as: IMO the govt won't investigate ID, IMO the stuff you said that were clues against Hancock can't be linked to her, I ASSUME Hannyabal and Domino will forget the suspicious occurences during their search of her due to the later chaos.
Even the argument that you used that said that Oda was speaking through Nyon by saying that Hancock's status was the only thing saving AL was flawed in that not only does your argument equally validate the argument that Nyon said Hancock will die unless she follows Luffy (thereby allowing me to say, "well Nyon said that Hancock would die unless she goes with Luffy, so she has to join"). The second flaw is that you forget that Nyon can only say things with absolution that are within her characters knowledge, so by her not being a marine officer she cannot know how the marines would react to Hancock tossing away her status in a special situation such as after a huge war in which marine resources may be stretched thin, how would she be able to determine whether the marines would attack at such a time, or even what they would make a priorty of at such a time, hell even we can only assume. Difference is Oda is omniscient in OP Nyon isn't and can only speak with what she knows for a fact or within the best interest of AL, which at the time was for Hancock to answer her summons.
Then you guys saying that at most an attack would come eventually was assuming that nothing even more drastic happened by the time the marines would be able to get around to AL (such as an attack from Dragon), hell as far as we know an attack on AL could be postponed so long that the WG could get overthrown before it ever gets to attack.
Then the point of me saying an investigation into ID was just me trying to think of a scenario in which Hancock loses her status which is the only good argument against her joining, since she's obligated to her people. Although I thought and still do think that such investigation would work it was still hypothetical, and in such a case it allowed Urouge to say "Hannyabal and Domino could forget" thing is that by my argument being purely hypothetical I can't say that Hannyabal and Domino will or wont remember so it would just be an endless argument. But as long ss Oda does use a scenario to get around it then it just means my scenario was wrong but not me thinking that 1 was possible which was my main point.
Lastly we don't even know whether the shichi status situation was just set up as a red herring to make people think she couldn't join, and just by you saying Oda would have to come up with something out of his ass is only based on your opinion that it's currently unlikely that she will join, which again can be solved depending on jow Oda would want the story to go. Now this is my last post for or against anyone till someone does join cuz it's kinda pointless atm, but thank you brennen & Urouge for not being 1 of those people that thinks that if they spam enough sarcastic replies they'll autowin a discussion. Let's just say the only ways it'll be impossible for Boa to join is if she says she won't or she dies and the only thing that'll tarnish my laughter is if she doesn't join. I have a feeling she'll get caught helping Luffy or will blatantly do it during the war and the shichi status thing will be moot anyway, baseless or not it's a feeling I have.
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Actually, chapter 546 seems to indicate that Jinbei is still a pirate captain.
It's possible. We don't know. We know that the crew he commanded was split into groups, but whether or not he still commanded one is another matter. I personally believe that one condition of him becoming a warlord was that he disband his crew, as suggested back when Johnny or Yosaku first mentioned him; I forget which of them and what chapter off the top of my head. Furthermore, assuming he has a crew, he has already been captured, so we can also assume they were captured (or killed). Either way, the point is that he is more than likely not going to stay at Fishman Island now that he no longer has immunity. It would just attracted unwanted attention. (Bounty Hunters and the Marines).
I will respond to Darkstorm and Hax later. I'm on my mobile and short on time.
Just to be clear, I wasn't being argumentative. I only meant that the reason they have not lost it all yet is because of this special circumstance. So perhaps before they even leave for Fishman Island (when they regroup) they will lose most of or all their money?
NO!
We're gonna argue and you're gonna like it!
Jinbei joining stuff
I have noticed all those things you mentioned, but all that for me just further cements Jinbei into the "Vivi" role I see him playing during the crews' stay at Fishman Island.
Though I can see how Jinbei joining wouldn't be a bad move in spite of what I think.
I actually am holding out for some other fishman/woman myself. I don't want Jinbei to join. I just like defending the suggestion since I think it is plausible.
Nothing wrong with that; as I've said before, at least it's better than the posts concerning Hancock joining. 
Edit: Just realized you said final…?
Yeah I see the crew as being fully established before they enter the New World. It'd just be odd having someone join up while they're on the second half.
Yeah I see the crew as being fully established before they enter the New World. It'd just be odd having someone join up while they're on the second half.
At least there is someone else that agrees with me on this 
I too want the strawhat crew members to finalized by the time new world hits but unless both Jimbei and Hancock join or maybe another one from Fishman island, this is looking seriously doubtful 
I forget which of them and what chapter off the top of my head.
Chapter 69 is where it happens.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/69/05/
TL;DR:
I'd suspect Jinbei is far more powerful then when Newgate used the power of his name to save the island.
While I agree with this, it can still be assumed that Jinbei alone (or even with Fishman allies) cannot withstand constant attack forever. It's more likely someone will have to stand up and announce the same type of protection for the island that Whitey did. That, or the World Government allies with them or some such. I'm sure there are tons of options, really, I just don't find the whole "Jinbei will stay and protect…" theory to be plausible.
With Fishmen guarding the city, they could stop anyone from ever getting close to the enbubbled city, which would mean the effectiveness of DF powered marines would be cut down. Mind you, I'm making some assumptions of the layout here, so it's shaky ground.
Well, I have to wonder… if the water dwelling people are so superior to humans naturally (in that arena), why did the 'Great Pirate Age' affect them so badly? I would think they could defend themselves quite easily given the home territory. And if they couldn't then for whatever reason, I cannot imagine them being able to now (easily). I mean, I agree with what you are saying for the most part, but something isn't right…
I guess I just instinctively feel that he's too strong for the strawhats.
Yeah, I understand that. HOWEVER, this was another thought I touched on way back in the first page(s) of this thread. Essentially, I thought that if Oda ever intended to make a warlord one of the crew members, then Jinbei would be the best fit. For starters, his introduction was completely humble. He had been captured, beaten, thrown in prison, and then beaten some more. His first page ever in the manga, and he is in chains at the bottom floor of the world's greatest prison. This had even more of an affect on me because how long since his name had first been mentioned, and him being the last warlord to be revealed (physically). Lastly, at this point in the story, the warlords aren't the big, bad, mysterious, invincible pirates that they were made out to be earlier on. Sure, some of them are still a long shot from the main characters, and others are more or less endgame opponents. Jinbei, however, has a (formerly frozen) bounty lower than Luffy's, and has been shown to be about on par with Luffy whilst on land. Obviously in the water he has an advantage over anyone, but even more so against Luffy so we cannot compare power there. Even if we could, I would assume Jinbei is only slightly stronger. He doesn't come across as extremely overpowered to me…
NO! We're gonna argue and you're gonna like it!
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I have noticed all those things you mentioned, but all that for me just further cements Jinbei into the "Vivi" role I see him playing during the crews' stay at Fishman Island.
Hmm. I suppose I cannot tell the difference there. With Vivi, I knew she had other responsibilities. Granted that was back when I first started reading the series, so I didn't look for patterns. Perhaps Wiper or Paulie might serve as a better and more recent example for me. In which case I thought Wiper would join and I was torn between Paulie and Franky up until the Sea Train. In either case, I couldn't see anything that defined them as supporting roles only. I didn't speculate much then either.
Yeah I see the crew as being fully established before they enter the New World. It'd just be odd having someone join up while they're on the second half.
No, not that. I mean you think there is only one person left? As opposed to two people? What about the chapter numbers though? If you don't count Luffy as a number then his line in the first chapter must be referring to 10 people other than himself. If he included himself in the ten, he would count himself as crew member #1 and not #10, no?
Chapter 69 is where it happens.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/69/05/
Ah, thanks. I was one my phone so I couldn't get the exact chapter. I knew it was in the 60's though.
would anyone want a random fishman to join or the awesome jinbei
even though its unlikely he will join luffy.an ex shibukai taking orders from a rookie
^ Which is exactly why he'll never join!
We'll get a merfolk. If Luffy wants one, we'll get one but it wont be Jinbei.
People I'm looking into my crystal ball, and it's saying that there wont be any new nakama joining, till atleast fishman island… and no none of the ppl we've seen till now will be joining the SH crew >:O
At least there is someone else that agrees with me on this
I think everyone does. Someone joining 2 or even 3 islands in to the NW would throw things off imo. I actually we're getting evidence of Oda completing the crew with the back to back nakamas in W7/EL and TB. He's left a nice break and separation so that when they reunite I wouldn't be surprised to see a nakama join when they get back to SA
Also I'm not counting Gyojin island or I should say I'm not being as strict and making the island and exception for a nakama to join but the way certain plots have shortened and drawn out so far it wouldn't be much of a problem or noticeable.
@Trinners:
i don't understand how a character that may not exist and a character that we've never seen before has a better chance of joining than characters that we have seen. :wassat:
It's exactly the same as the yet to be introduced Sanji having a better chance at joining than Johnny & Yosaku.
I mean I do find it funny. I don't even remember these long winded arguments and greatly detailed theories as for why Franky, Brook, or why Robin would join anywhere on the internet. I see these non stop Jimbei and Hancock d-riding and to think it'll all be for naught but such is the nature of arguing and discussion.
While I agree with this, it can still be assumed that Jinbei alone (or even with Fishman allies) cannot withstand constant attack forever. It's more likely someone will have to stand up and announce the same type of protection for the island that Whitey did. That, or the World Government allies with them or some such. I'm sure there are tons of options, really, I just don't find the whole "Jinbei will stay and protect…" theory to be plausible.
We'll have to wait on Fishman island for this one.
Though I would love for Ace to give the island the protection of the Pirate King's son.
Well, I have to wonder… if the water dwelling people are so superior to humans naturally (in that arena), why did the 'Great Pirate Age' affect them so badly? I would think they could defend themselves quite easily given the home territory. And if they couldn't then for whatever reason, I cannot imagine them being able to now (easily). I mean, I agree with what you are saying for the most part, but something isn't right…
Indeed. We're kind of hitting a wall here with the knowledge of how Fishman island works, and how strong Fishmen are underwater.
With what Kuroobi said about the superiority of Fishmen underwater though…I know he was a braggart, but at this time he seemed to be telling the truth, looking at the power of Arlong's shark on darts when released from the water.
Yeah, I understand that. HOWEVER, this was another thought I touched on way back in the first page(s) of this thread. Essentially, I thought that if Oda ever intended to make a warlord one of the crew members, then Jinbei would be the best fit. For starters, his introduction was completely humble. He had been captured, beaten, thrown in prison, and then beaten some more. His first page ever in the manga, and he is in chains at the bottom floor of the world's greatest prison. This had even more of an affect on me because how long since his name had first been mentioned, and him being the last warlord to be revealed (physically). Lastly, at this point in the story, the warlords aren't the big, bad, mysterious, invincible pirates that they were made out to be earlier on. Sure, some of them are still a long shot from the main characters, and others are more or less endgame opponents. Jinbei, however, has a (formerly frozen) bounty lower than Luffy's, and has been shown to be about on par with Luffy whilst on land. Obviously in the water he has an advantage over anyone, but even more so against Luffy so we cannot compare power there. Even if we could, I would assume Jinbei is only slightly stronger. He doesn't come across as extremely overpowered to me…
So I guess it all comes down to his strength again. We'll see how well he stacks up in the upcoming battle.
Oh, and just as a general aside…nothing to do with what we've been discussing, but if the mermaid princess joins, watch all the Hancock proponents stop going on about her joining. Just watch them.
Oh, and just as a general aside…nothing to do with what we've been discussing, but if the mermaid princess joins, watch all the Hancock proponents stop going on about her joining. Just watch them.
Even I would stop if that happened. Part of the whole appeal with Hancock is she is a strong woman character and another female character is desparatly needed on the crew since its already become a sausage fest. 3 Female strawhats is just a perfect amount, no more, no less. But Hancocks fate whether on the crew or not will probably be decided well before the group ever reaches Fishman Island, so its a moot point really
Basically the way I look at Hancock, if she loses her Shichibukai status, she has a high probability of joining and Oda needs to work out the situation with Amazon Lily (I have a different theory other than ones I mentioned for this, but im tired and its pure assumption/speculation and I KNOW how some people love that in this thread despite it being a speculation thread :P) If she doesn't, than all Oda has to do is resolve the "Love Sickness" angle he introduced into the story and she just heads back to Amazon Lily like so many in this thread are expecting her to. It really is make or break on that one certain spot, and it won't be decided till she actually does something or the War is over with.
I'm 99 per cent sure they'll get another female… but there's no need to make excuses for Hancock just because she's one of the only females in the story right now. We WILL see more!
I'm 99 per cent sure they'll get another female… but there's no need to make excuses for Hancock just because she's one of the only females in the story right now. We WILL see more!
Well if a new girl I hope for a younger one as Nami… We already have a mature woman.
I'm hoping for an artist. I don't want Oda to waste the total badassery of the ability that Miss Goldenweek previewed for us. That would work well as a female. This isn't an argument, just a desire.
@Jim13ei:
Well if a new girl I hope for a younger one as Nami… We already have a mature woman.
This logic makes no sense.
Anyway, I hope it's an old woman. Just the reaction of the boob brigade on this forum alone would be worth it.
Kokoro for nakama crewmate!
Kokoro for
nakamacrewmate!
Lol Sanji seeing Kokoro would probably render him useless during a fight, he'd be too busy pounding the floor with his fist.
Chapter 69 is where it happens.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/69/05/
According to this Jimbei used to be thin, Moria wasn't an aubergine and Kuma hadn't began his course of steroids?
…yeah, the only Shichibukai who even remotely fit those shadows are Mihawk and Hancock, if she had a sword and was wearing a hat.
Umm...yeah, well, as usual I'm still pulling for a female fighter who isn't Hancock (who doesn't strike me as much of a fighter to begin with), and a Fishman Karate Fishman who is not Jimbei. Preferably before the Straw Hats enter the New World, if they ever do.
wow this thread went down the drain.nobody is even trying any more
I've been serious the whole time. :sad:
Shaman monk is one of the rudest and most hurtful members of this forum.
Oh wow, you don't even know what the Shikibukai are, do you?
Wow, that's it huh??
Lets try to stay on track here shall we and not steer of the subject. You clearly stated :
@Conspiracynut:
The fact that Hancock is a Shiki in the first place, specifically to keep the Government from invading her home
You have yet to show where this fact is!! Where does is say specifically that she became a shichibukai to keep the Government from invading her home?
Hancock probably just wanted the power that came with being a Shichibukai, but it's obvious that if she wasn't a Shichibukai the island would be in danger.
But on another note, this was probably said before but I think that Margret should be the next Nakama. She seemed to have grown a bond with Luffy. And it would be good to have another woman, especially one as ill-informed as her. We could probably get a good few jokes with her and Sanji.
We could probably get a good few jokes with her and Sanji.
Sanji's passions will no doubt turn towards Zoro upon his return.
I dunno, if anything, I think Sanji would be even worse in the pervert department when he gets back, having been deprived of some real, genuine femininity and not…hairy crossdressers.
Anyway, yeah, Marguerite is still the only character that's had their name thrown into the Straw Hat ring recently that I can actually see working with the rest of the crew, but that time has passed, sadly, unless there's a revisitation somewhere in the cards.
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The World Government loses the war and is totally obliterated. Hancock can join.
The World Government loses the war and is totally obliterated. Hancock can join.
If the marines loose the war one piece will end! Seems like a desperate speculation to have her in the crew?
Shaman monk is one of the rudest and most hurtful members of this forum.
yes i am.im more dangerous and ruder than a feminine anime male character
If the marines loose the war one piece will end!
What? Can you expand on this and your reasoning behind it.
Oh, and just as a general aside…nothing to do with what we've been discussing, but if the mermaid princess joins, watch all the Hancock proponents stop going on about her joining. Just watch them.
Anyway, I hope it's an old woman.
If a mermaid joins, princess or otherwise, I would assume she has to be an older woman. Their legs don't split until they reach their 30's, and I cannot imagine a mermaid joining the crew if they are still stuck with a tail 24/7.
Anyway, yeah, Marguerite is still the only character that's had their name thrown into the Straw Hat ring recently that I can actually see working with the rest of the crew, but that time has passed, sadly, unless there's a revisitation somewhere in the cards.
I can still see it happening. Only problem would be the lack of time she has had to spend with the crew and build some sort of friendship. You could say she has already done so with Luffy, but I dunno if that is enough. Still, she looks to have a dream, and it would certainly require her to leave the island and sail the world, but…
If the marines loose the war one piece will end! Seems like a desperate speculation to have her in the crew?
Yes because the entire series is dependent on a central world power acting as a police force. Oh wait.
Personally, I believe that Whitebeard is gonna die and the Marines will be destroyed truly bestowing a chaotic era of Pirates of the likes the World has never seen. This would make conquering such a chaotic era an even more impressive feat.
I can still see it happening. Only problem would be the lack of time she has had to spend with the crew and build some sort of friendship. You could say she has already done so with Luffy, but I dunno if that is enough. Still, she looks to have a dream, and it would certainly require her to leave the island and sail the world, but…
Well, the anime has been putting more emphasis on their interactions while in the jungle than the manga did…
Either way, I really think it would be a waste to not explore that island and their abilities more. And I'm still curious as to the identity of the mysterious, archery-wielding crew in Brook's flashback...
@Shaman:
yes i am.im more dangerous and ruder than a feminine anime male character
And also less grammatically correct.
I can still see it happening. Only problem would be the lack of time she has had to spend with the crew and build some sort of friendship. You could say she has already done so with Luffy, but I dunno if that is enough.
Well, it's only really down to Luffy at the end of the day. Robin was his own decision when no-one else had met her for more then a minute, he asked Brooke to join straight away and only Sanji and Nami had met Chopper when Luffy asked him to join.
WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
@Shaman:
bring it :wassat:
What do you want me to bring, commas or capitalisations?
i don't know. what taste better with you as a side order?
If you don't put them all in the same sentence and in the correct order, you get a bitter aftertaste.
then we need a good dessert to end the meal with a good taste
WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
Masking the bitterness with ensuing sweetness is a bad idea. You need to expunge the bitterness at its sauce source.
Well, the anime has been putting more emphasis on their interactions while in the jungle than the manga did…
Oh yeah? I'm waiting for that arc to finish before I watch Saboady –> Amazon Lily. Then I will take a break until Impel Down finishes. Then the same for the War, unless the anime does something different. Still, cool to know they are putting more focus on her.
And also less grammatically correct.
…capitalisations…
Haha.
Well, it's only really down to Luffy at the end of the day. Robin was his own decision when no-one else had met her for more than a minute, he asked Brooke to join straight away and only Sanji and Nami had met Chopper when Luffy asked him to join.
That's why I hired you…
Haha.
I hail from good old blighty, so yes.
That's why I hired you…
I thought it was my awesome hat.
Masking the bitterness with ensuing sweetness is a bad idea. You need to expunge the bitterness at its
saucesource.
actually in no way would you be masking the bitterness. unless your given some thing to clean your pallet and the you can enjoy your just desserts
WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
I hail from good old blighty, so yes.
Ahh yes, I sometimes forget that words vary from place to place. Consider yourself forgiven. You still misused then/than though, so you aren't scott free~ :devil:
