We're talking about the person who said that Brook didn't show his personality until the TB arc was over, right?
Yeah, saul.
We're talking about the person who said that Brook didn't show his personality until the TB arc was over, right?
Yeah, saul.
@Zkaiser; Sorry it is so long. I just wanted to touch on all of your points. Bored at work right now (down time), so I just kept…going...
[hide]@Zkaiser:
The mystery around the Warlords still exist in the fact that these pirates where so powerful that their sworn enemies, the World Government, employs them to deter pirates of ALL caliber and this includes Silver Medalists.
That's not a "mystery". That's like calling Whitebeard, the Admirals, etc. a mystery. It's accomplishment… prestige. I also disagree with your suggestion that they are a deterrent to Silver Medalists. I mean, in general that just doesn't work, considering "Silver Medalist" refers to the fact that their major deterrent was Whitebeard himself, not some pirates employed by the government.
They are all most likely Silver Medalists themselves who have something to gain by being partnered with the World Government.
No, not really. Moria was defeated by Kaidou. That's not even "Bronze Medalist". Crocodile and his "crew" were defeated, but we were never given the details. That aside, Crocodile got taken down by Luffy early in the series, and as much as fanboys refuse to admit it, Oda named that chapter "Surpass You" for a reason. Jinbei obviously couldn't handle the issues that came about from the Pirate Age and totally looks up to Whitebeard; he has a lower bounty too. Not saying he isn't powerful, but I definitely cannot see him being much more powerful than Crocodile or Moria at this point.
By Crocodile's definition of a Silver Medalist they are people have only been defeated by the hand of Roger Gol or Edward Newgate. From this, we can infer that these people, given the right circumstances, would be able to take the throne as Pirate King for themselves at this very moment.
Of course. Which is exactly why I said that the [New] World is much bigger than we realize. As I said above, Crocodile, Jinbei, and Moria AT THE LEAST would not (should not) qualify as "Silver Medalists". To reiterate, Moria's entire crew was destroyed by one of the Emperors YEARS ago, Croc's crew was destroyed by some unknown force and was then himself taken down by Luffy (a rookie), and Jinbei has shown strength that, while impressive, does not look to be much farther – if at all -- above Luffy. That's my opinion of course, but I don't really see how it can be refuted much at this point.
As I said earlier the Armed Seas are a piracy deterrent, if any Silver Medalist was on their level and could take them out, then I doubt that the Government would even keep them employed. An Armed Sea is somebody who can strike fear into even the most hardened pirates because of their terrifying power. As a testament to this power I'm willing to bet that some of the Silver Medalists are swordsmen. You know what that means. it means that Mihawk beats out any Silver Medalist that uses a sharp iron bar as a weapon, and is able to ward off any challenge posed against him.
First off, Mihawk is an exception. The guy is extremely bored and just does his own thing. It shouldn't come as a surprise that he wants immunity so he doesn't have to be bothered while he sails around the world looking for something to pique his interest. Second, I don't think he seeks out opponents, he waits for them to find him or run into them. Would you really compare Mihawk to Jinbei, Hancock, Crocodile, or Moria? The fact that he is Zoro's goal alone should scream, "No way". Maybe that's just me though? Moving on, where have we seen almost all of the Warlords thus far? The only one we have seen in the New World is Mihawk. While I agree the Warlords are a deterrent, I would suggest they are more of a "pirate prevention plan" than deterrent. They certainly don't scare* the "rookies", so like I have been saying, if our main characters and fellow rookie pirates (Supernova) don't see the Warlords as a major threat and deterrent**, then why should we, the fans, after seeing what we have? *Referring to the fact that Law and Kidd didn't seem that afraid of "Kuma" on SA, and **referring to the fact that they are all heading for the New World as we speak. (Captured ones aside). So I would say their purpose is to scare rookies and potentials into quitting early or staying where the Marines can handle them more efficiently.
I don't believe that Luffy is at that level as of NOW. Luffy doesn't have the power to defeat any Silver medalist who fights using CQC and it makes sense. As you said this is HALF of Luffy's journey, and right now he is only at the halfway point of his journey. So why would he right now be at the same level as people that he needs to beat at the end of the series. Makes things too easy if you ask me.
By now I hope you see my point? The Warlords are not all the same threat level to Luffy, and only one or two would really qualify as being equal to a "Silver Medalist". And even still, strength and threat isn't something that can be put to a graph in One Piece. The strong can fall to the skilled. The skilled to the strong. Either can fall to circumstances. Etc. Point is, the Warlords as a whole are no longer "mysterious" and "majestic". At one point, they struck fear in the main cast and even us, the readers, but now I do not believe the main cast (Uso/Chop/Nam aside) really sees them in fearful eyes. I don't think we should either. As individuals, maybe. As a whole? No. So is Jinbei too great? No, I don't think so. Would him joining steal the mystery and prestige I see in the Warlords? No. I no longer see that anyway. Blackbeard pissed on the title. At this point all I see it as is immunity for a pirate. Nothing to be impressed by. I'm sure there are tons more powerful than Jinbei in the New World. There MUST be. He is clearly not leaps and bounds stronger than Luffy.
You count "passing through" as "taking down"? Nice word selection, buddy. And I don't see how they "took down" the Enies Lobby gate. They just closed it. I guess that somehow means "taking down" is your dictionary?
I believe my exact words were, "points of the Gates of Justice". "Point" is obviously referring to a location. There are three points: Enies Lobby, Marineford (HQ), and Impel Down. Did they not go to Enies Lobby? Is it not destroyed due to their fight there? Are they not to blame for it? Luffy just left Impel Down, right? Is it not victim to massive amounts of damage due to Luffy's break-in? Is he not to blame for it having its first and biggest disgrace? Looks more like you have your accusation a little backwards.
I also like how you are blatantly working against what the author has told us numerous times.
That the author has told us…? "Who cares?!! I can do it!!!", "I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE!!! I WILL SURPASS YOU!!", and "I don't care if I'm a boy, or if I'm sticking out...I don't get crushed, by NO ONE...!!!" come to mind. What the author has told us numerous times, is that big names calling Luffy a rookie means nothing. Luffy doesn't care and neither should we. Luffy, the rookie, has already done things the world has never seen. Breaking into Impel Down? Escaping Impel Down? Breaking into Enies Lobby? Saving someone from Enies Lobby against all odds? Punching a World Noble in the face? Taking down two Warlords?
Luffy and Co. are rookies and not even the best ones apparently! I'd sooner believe that Kidd was Armed Sea material, at least he actually kills people.
Oda went out of his way to have Shakky explain that Kidd's bounty is only higher than Luffy's because he goes around killing people. The same can obviously be said for "Massacre Man Killer" and his bounty. So you would need to define "best". And I could believe Kidd being a Warlord too. You help prove my point, as it just goes to show that Warlords aren't really as threatening to us anymore. Strong? Hell yeah. Silver Medalist? Too strong? Hell naw. Let's not forget Enel isn't a pirate. But if he became one today, he would be a rookie. So really, "rookie" just means you are a new pirate.
Yeah, I understand but you have to say these "hints" are pretty damn vague in comparison to the hints that other Straw Hats received.
I assume you have read my first post in this thread? I haven't changed it or altered it really since I first made it well before Jinbei appeared. BEFORE HE APPEARED, mind you. And since then little has happened to really alter my view. We can assume Fisher Tiger will receive more spotlight, no? What about Arlong? That's major flashback material. How Oda will handle that is in the air, but the fact remains that Jinbei has HUGE flashback potential. Sad past? CHECK. Dude had his home town ravaged 20 odd years ago and lost all hope until Whitebeard finally showed up. Hell, being a fishman alone is reason for a sad past. Got slavery? Unique fighting style? Uhhhh, yup, totally. How about quirks, personality? People might not want to admit it, but being honorable, respectable, and righteous make him stand out as an individual. He hasn't had a chance to show his humorous side, given the situation, but we know what he looks like when he smiles, and we know he can make a joke*. What about having hope and believing in a miracle even when he was in the depths of the world's greatest prison? That was some pretty strong [Strawhat level] determination. Luffy also trusted him right off the bat AND considers him to be awesome. Neither of those really means much, but they do mean something. Then there is his debt to Luffy. He owes Luffy big for getting him out of prison, AND for taking care of Arlong. In fact, he doesn't know about Luffy's relationship with Hachi or what Luffy did FOR Hachi** recently. Those will skyrocket his respect for Luffy (IMO), especially for the parellel with Fisher Tiger. If there is any chance of a dream, such as equality or protection for fishmen and merfolk, then Luffy's future is the key to that, and sailing the ocean and making a [bigger] name for himself is the way to go. And Oda can easily make another reason. Zoro had no reason initially; he was just lost at sea. Brook just needs to go find Laboon, really. He doesn't need to be with Luffy. He even asked that Laboon wait a little longer. *His comment to Minotauros. That IS a joke, of sorts. **Punching a world noble for shooting Hachi. Among other things.
Is it like a mod rule that you have to post less when you become one?
I'm just busy. I have been working on a project recently that takes up most of my free time. I usually check for interesting posts though, or responses to my posts when I can.
Anyway, sorry this is so long. @_@[/hide]
Brennen's former avatar for nakama.
@Zkaiser; Sorry it is so long. I just wanted to touch on all of your points. Bored at work right now (down time), so I just kept…going...
[hide]That's not a "mystery". That's like calling Whitebeard, the Admirals, etc. a mystery. It's accomplishment… prestige. I also disagree with your suggestion that they are a deterrent to Silver Medalists. I mean, in general that just doesn't work, considering "Silver Medalist" refers to the fact that their major deterrent was Whitebeard himself, not some pirates employed by the government.
No, not really. Moria was defeated by Kaidou. That's not even "Bronze Medalist". Crocodile and his "crew" were defeated, but we were never given the details. That aside, Crocodile got taken down by Luffy early in the series, and as much as fanboys refuse to admit it, Oda named that chapter "Surpass You" for a reason. Jinbei obviously couldn't handle the issues that came about from the Pirate Age and totally looks up to Whitebeard; he has a lower bounty too. Not saying he isn't powerful, but I definitely cannot see him being much more powerful than Crocodile or Moria at this point.
Of course. Which is exactly why I said that the [New] World is much bigger than we realize. As I said above, Crocodile, Jinbei, and Moria AT THE LEAST would not (should not) qualify as "Silver Medalists". To reiterate, Moria's entire crew was destroyed by one of the Emperors YEARS ago, Croc's crew was destroyed by some unknown force and was then himself taken down by Luffy (a rookie), and Jinbei has shown strength that, while impressive, does not look to be much farther – if at all -- above Luffy. That's my opinion of course, but I don't really see how it can be refuted much at this point.
First off, Mihawk is an exception. The guy is extremely bored and just does his own thing. It shouldn't come as a surprise that he wants immunity so he doesn't have to be bothered while he sails around the world looking for something to pique his interest. Second, I don't think he seeks out opponents, he waits for them to find him or run into them. Would you really compare Mihawk to Jinbei, Hancock, Crocodile, or Moria? The fact that he is Zoro's goal alone should scream, "No way". Maybe that's just me though? Moving on, where have we seen almost all of the Warlords thus far? The only one we have seen in the New World is Mihawk. While I agree the Warlords are a deterrent, I would suggest they are more of a "pirate prevention plan" than deterrent. They certainly don't scare* the "rookies", so like I have been saying, if our main characters and fellow rookie pirates (Supernova) don't see the Warlords as a major threat and deterrent**, then why should we, the fans, after seeing what we have? *Referring to the fact that Law and Kidd didn't seem that afraid of "Kuma" on SA, and **referring to the fact that they are all heading for the New World as we speak. (Captured ones aside). So I would say their purpose is to scare rookies and potentials into quitting early or staying where the Marines can handle them more efficiently.
By now I hope you see my point? The Warlords are not all the same threat level to Luffy, and only one or two would really qualify as being equal to a "Silver Medalist". And even still, strength and threat isn't something that can be put to a graph in One Piece. The strong can fall to the skilled. The skilled to the strong. Either can fall to circumstances. Etc. Point is, the Warlords as a whole are no longer "mysterious" and "majestic". At one point, they struck fear in the main cast and even us, the readers, but now I do not believe the main cast (Uso/Chop/Nam aside) really sees them in fearful eyes. I don't think we should either. As individuals, maybe. As a whole? No. So is Jinbei too great? No, I don't think so. Would him joining steal the mystery and prestige I see in the Warlords? No. I no longer see that anyway. Blackbeard pissed on the title. At this point all I see it as is immunity for a pirate. Nothing to be impressed by. I'm sure there are tons more powerful than Jinbei in the New World. There MUST be. He is clearly not leaps and bounds stronger than Luffy.
I believe my exact words were, "points of the Gates of Justice". "Point" is obviously referring to a location. There are three points: Enies Lobby, Marineford (HQ), and Impel Down. Did they not go to Enies Lobby? Is it not destroyed due to their fight there? Are they not to blame for it? Luffy just left Impel Down, right? Is it not victim to massive amounts of damage due to Luffy's break-in? Is he not to blame for it having its first and biggest disgrace? Looks more like you have your accusation a little backwards.
That the author has told us...? "Who cares?!! I can do it!!!", "I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE!!! I WILL SURPASS YOU!!", and "I don't care if I'm a boy, or if I'm sticking out...I don't get crushed, by NO ONE...!!!" come to mind. What the author has told us numerous times, is that big names calling Luffy a rookie means nothing. Luffy doesn't care and neither should we. Luffy, the rookie, has already done things the world has never seen. Breaking into Impel Down? Escaping Impel Down? Breaking into Enies Lobby? Saving someone from Enies Lobby against all odds? Punching a World Noble in the face? Taking down two Warlords?
Oda went out of his way to have Shakky explain that Kidd's bounty is only higher than Luffy's because he goes around killing people. The same can obviously be said for "Massacre Man Killer" and his bounty. So you would need to define "best". And I could believe Kidd being a Warlord too. You help prove my point, as it just goes to show that Warlords aren't really as threatening to us anymore. Strong? Hell yeah. Silver Medalist? Too strong? Hell naw. Let's not forget Enel isn't a pirate. But if he became one today, he would be a rookie. So really, "rookie" just means you are a new pirate.
I assume you have read my first post in this thread? I haven't changed it or altered it really since I first made it well before Jinbei appeared. BEFORE HE APPEARED, mind you. And since then little has happened to really alter my view. We can assume Fisher Tiger will receive more spotlight, no? What about Arlong? That's major flashback material. How Oda will handle that is in the air, but the fact remains that Jinbei has HUGE flashback potential. Sad past? CHECK. Dude had his home town ravaged 20 odd years ago and lost all hope until Whitebeard finally showed up. Hell, being a fishman alone is reason for a sad past. Got slavery? Unique fighting style? Uhhhh, yup, totally. How about quirks, personality? People might not want to admit it, but being honorable, respectable, and righteous make him stand out as an individual. He hasn't had a chance to show his humorous side, given the situation, but we know what he looks like when he smiles, and we know he can make a joke*. What about having hope and believing in a miracle even when he was in the depths of the world's greatest prison? That was some pretty strong [Strawhat level] determination. Luffy also trusted him right off the bat AND considers him to be awesome. Neither of those really means much, but they do mean something. Then there is his debt to Luffy. He owes Luffy big for getting him out of prison, AND for taking care of Arlong. In fact, he doesn't know about Luffy's relationship with Hachi or what Luffy did FOR Hachi** recently. Those will skyrocket his respect for Luffy (IMO), especially for the parellel with Fisher Tiger. If there is any chance of a dream, such as equality or protection for fishmen and merfolk, then Luffy's future is the key to that, and sailing the ocean and making a [bigger] name for himself is the way to go. And Oda can easily make another reason. Zoro had no reason initially; he was just lost at sea. Brook just needs to go find Laboon, really. He doesn't need to be with Luffy. He even asked that Laboon wait a little longer. *His comment to Minotauros. That IS a joke, of sorts. **Punching a world noble for shooting Hachi. Among other things.
I'm just busy. I have been working on a project recently that takes up most of my free time. I usually check for interesting posts though, or responses to my posts when I can.
Anyway, sorry this is so long. @_@[/hide]
brennen.exe wins… To be fair that's the reason I think Jim13ei put Brook in. To be honest most of the SH could travel alone to reach their goals. Brook could travel back instead forward to more dangerous adventures. And having Jimbei a dream shouldn't be that hard with the fishman/human story.
I know that nothing is sure yet, but Jimbei is a good candidate and I would really like to see him just to see a new dynamic in the crew. For now all big fights are done by the Top 3 and having a new one could have some interesting points.
I'll be interested to see how Oda will make Jimbei a strawhat (If he does). I mean as of right now, I dont see a really strong reason for Jimbei to join. But I dont want to jump the gun either, until we know alot more about his story. Oda just might change things up on us and throw us a curveball like he did with Franky and Brooke's story.
What we do know is that he admires WB, and thinks of him as a crucial piece for his peoples safety. Which makes me think that after this arc he might want to stick around to ensure that Merman Island is protected (If WB does indeed die like some people are predicting).
And on the other side of the argument. Since hes claiming that hes not a Shichibukai anymore (the WG has yet to declare it). He might have to go on the run, and who else better to go on the run with than the SH crew?
Even when I give people like you the benefit of the doubt, you still subconciously beg me to hunt you down and eat your fingers.
I try…
And if you look, Jinbei has curly eyebrows, just like Sanji.
Holy crap, I did not notice that…
[hide]I assume you have read my first post in this thread? I haven't changed it or altered it really since I first made it well before Jinbei appeared. BEFORE HE APPEARED, mind you. And since then little has happened to really alter my view. We can assume Fisher Tiger will receive more spotlight, no? What about Arlong? That's major flashback material. How Oda will handle that is in the air, but the fact remains that Jinbei has HUGE flashback potential. Sad past? CHECK. Dude had his home town ravaged 20 odd years ago and lost all hope until Whitebeard finally showed up. Hell, being a fishman alone is reason for a sad past. Got slavery? Unique fighting style? Uhhhh, yup, totally. How about quirks, personality? People might not want to admit it, but being honorable, respectable, and righteous make him stand out as an individual. He hasn't had a chance to show his humorous side, given the situation, but we know what he looks like when he smiles, and we know he can make a joke*. What about having hope and believing in a miracle even when he was in the depths of the world's greatest prison? That was some pretty strong [Strawhat level] determination. Luffy also trusted him right off the bat AND considers him to be awesome. Neither of those really means much, but they do mean something. Then there is his debt to Luffy. He owes Luffy big for getting him out of prison, AND for taking care of Arlong. In fact, he doesn't know about Luffy's relationship with Hachi or what Luffy did FOR Hachi** recently. Those will skyrocket his respect for Luffy (IMO), especially for the parellel with Fisher Tiger. If there is any chance of a dream, such as equality or protection for fishmen and merfolk, then Luffy's future is the key to that, and sailing the ocean and making a [bigger] name for himself is the way to go. And Oda can easily make another reason. Zoro had no reason initially; he was just lost at sea. Brook just needs to go find Laboon, really. He doesn't need to be with Luffy. He even asked that Laboon wait a little longer. *His comment to Minotauros. That IS a joke, of sorts. **Punching a world noble for shooting Hachi. Among other things.[/hide]
I think… hrm. Nobody really translates the word "nakama" because there's no really good English equivalent to signify the kind of bond it implies in the context of the story. I mean... none of the Strawhats particularly came from much... but where they are now, Sunny is their home, and they are, in a fairly literal sense, a family.
A sad past just makes that bond deeper, and having a dream is secondary... they basically don't need each other to accomplish their dream, but I'm pretty sure each and every SH would put their nakama before their dream and their lives in a heartbeat.
Jinbei has got reasons to fight with the SH, and he has reasons to be grateful or indebted to Luffy… but so far, I just don't see a good reason for him to become "part of the family." Maybe that'll change, or maybe he'll just end up being something like Wiper II. I'm interested to see how his character evolves in this upcoming arc, whichever way it goes. I still don't think his nakama potential is that high, though.
i totaly agree about giving up there dreams and lives in a heart beat for there nakama they show this time and time agian a good example is zoro taking luffys place on tb
Well it seems that I really overdo it and get on your nerves. Sorry for that but still I'm thinking that Jimbei has indeed big chances to join and that brennen.exe out good points in.
I just can't that good in english and describe the things.
It's ok but we have to wait for more chapters.
I can't wait for next week.
I think Perona is gonna join because she is unique and most likely has a sad past.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/468/09/
Something must have happened to her if she was one of the Mysterious Four as a child.
I hate it when people are just yelling someone is going to join.
Perona isn't because she backstabbed her crew in the end of TB.
The only people who have chances
Margareth
Hancock
Jinbei
And maybe no one is going to join x3.. but those are the most possible candidates. And if you wanna know why.. look in the topic xD
Franky backstabbed the Straw Hats too.
I hate it when people are just yelling someone is going to join.
Perona isn't because she backstabbed her crew in the end of TB.
The only people who have chances
Margareth
Hancock
JinbeiAnd maybe no one is going to join x3.. but those are the most possible candidates. And if you wanna know why.. look in the topic xD
Agreed.. people need to stop their wishful thinking on perona.. even though she has a unique appearance and df ability.
Every candidate is wishful thinking on someone's part.
True, but some are easier to plausibly back up than others. I take the ''can I picture this person working wit hthe crew and not annoying the daylights out of me over the next ten years?'' approach.
I personally don't believe that Margaret has any shot at all, certainly less than Perona (who I also put at around 0%). She lacks the very important quality of being special within her group.
say what you want but i think perona is possibility for next nakama just as much as jinbei who i feel might over power luffys crew in a way.
anyway the way i see it zoro is with perona the both of them want to get off the island there on. now i see two possible end points
1. perona somehow will be back with moria (doubtful)
2. joins SH crew (my belief since she already has very well defined DF powers and has more character then most enemy fodder like mr.1 who was just bland or absalom who was just a perv.
then again niether could be right cuz in the end oda can't be easily predicted.
oh quick sidenote does anyone think perona could function as a scout?
Every candidate is wishful thinking on someone's part.
Actually, that isn't true. I don't particularly want Jinbei to join. I wouldn't grip if he did join, but I would prefer someone else that wasn't him. I also do not care to be right or wrong, I am merely discussing potential based off of information from the manga.
I don't think Perona will join, if for no other reason than the fact that I don't think they'll subject us to 10 years of "horohorohorohorohorohorohoro…" I don't care one way or the other if Jinbei joins from the perspective of me liking him. If that was my requirements, I'd be sitting here rooting for people like Buggy and Jango. I've just been unusually good with my predictions since I joined AP, and I want the trend to continue.
Actually, that isn't true. I don't particularly want Jinbei to join. I wouldn't grip if he did join, but I would prefer someone else that wasn't him. I also do not care to be right or wrong, I am merely discussing potential based off of information from the manga.
Yeah, it is true. KiShiDo wishes for Jinbei to join. KiShiDo is someone.
Why so defensive? Not every post I make is an attack. Just 85%.
Yeah, it is true. KiShiDo wishes for Jinbei to join. KiShiDo is someone.
Why so defensive? Not every post I make is an attack. Just 85%.
And so what. I just want that je joins… is that wrong?
Why so defensive? Not every post I make is an attack. Just 85%.
Not defensive at all. I actually just misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were suggesting that everyone who suggests a candidate is thinking wishfully. Now that I read what you said again, I was clearly mistaken. So my bad ^_^
I don't think Perona will join, if for no other reason than the fact that I don't think they'll subject us to 10 years of "horohorohorohorohorohorohoro…" I don't care one way or the other if Jinbei joins from the perspective of me liking him. If that was my requirements, I'd be sitting here rooting for people like Buggy and Jango. I've just been unusually good with my predictions since I joined AP, and I want the trend to continue.
List of correct predictions? Are they recent or overall? I was gone for a good stretch of the breakout on this forum and then some time before that so I wouldn't know.
Urouge, you joined in April.
Yes I did, what's your point? I'm not talking about anything long term here, just random stuff. It's 3 AM here and I don't want to go through all the chapter threads. Mostly week to week stuff, like saying that Inazuma wasn't Iva, and was probably his subordinate who would take them to Iva. I'll get into it in detail tomorrow if you really want me to, but it seems silly to me.
Yes I did, what's your point? I'm not talking about anything long term here, just random stuff. It's 3 AM here and I don't want to go through all the chapter threads. Mostly week to week stuff, like saying that Inazuma wasn't Iva, and was probably his subordinate who would take them to Iva. I'll get into it in detail tomorrow if you really want me to, but it seems silly to me.
I believe he was assuming that your predictions were nakama related. Seeing that you joined recently, it would seem foolish to say that your predictions have been good up til now, seeing as there has been no new memebers to the crew. No big deal.
Franky backstabbed the Straw Hats too.
No he didn't. They were enemies initially so Franky could never betray them. However he has displayed himself to be a noble, courageous fighter who is LOYAL to his men unlike Perona who betrayed her comrades at the slightest hint of danger. The Straw Hats don't need some one like her.
@Thousand:
No he didn't. They were enemies initially so Frankky could never betray them. However ha has displayed himself to be a noble, courageous fighter who is LOYAL to his men unlike Perona who betrayed her comrades at the slightest hint of danger. The Straw Hats don't need some one like her.
So true.
She gave a shit about Moria and Co. and wanted to leave on her own.
@Thousand:
No he didn't. They were enemies initially so Frankky could never betray them. However ha has displayed himself to be a noble, courageous fighter who is LOYAL to his men unlike Perona who betrayed her comrades at the slightest hint of danger. The Straw Hats don't need some one like her.
In your opinion. Robin betrayed Croc!
She wanted to stop Croc that he wouldn't get Pluton.
heh.. I just read the last couple of pages of this post. I actually like the idea of Perona being a SH. i mean like i don't specifically like her but she's unique in her own ways and even if you say that she's not loyal, We see her crying to rejoin Moria (remind u of somebody? maybe Ussop?) plus she's strong and can help Nami keep Luffy in place like she did with Abaslom. After a while i can see her fitting into the crew more than somebody like Jimbei. Jimbei is a pretty serious guy..
To Croc it's betrayal but Robin never had any intention of revealing the location of Pluton. So to her from the start he was merely a means to an end. Overall it is betrayal and using the general definition she did it to the SHs but she always has a good reason. Same with Nami. Usopp was just being selfish.
I mean by now I'm sure one of the Veggie pirates knocked up his that chick.
Perhaps Luffy will be able to change Perona's betrayal tendencies, just like he did with Robin's will to live. Perona only chickened out once and she already regrets it (for the wrong reason, but still…).
Perhaps Luffy will be able to change Perona's betrayal tendencies, just like he did with Robin's will to live. Perona only chickened out once and she already regrets it (for the wrong reason, but still…).
Or maybe there'll be a running joke of her trying to betray them every adventure until some turning point…..
bugy for nakama jokes but that would be awsome
@Fiasco.:
In your opinion. Robin betrayed Croc!
Robin was always planning to betray Crocodile. Perona betrayed Moria because she was scared. Big difference!!!
But not in the eyes of Luffy. By the time she met Kuma, Luffy would have already forgiven Perona for working with Moria.
But not in the eyes of Luffy. By the time she met Kuma, Luffy would have already forgiven Perona for working with Moria.
Robin saved Luffy twice and then Luffy saved Robin. Perona did what exactly for him?
@Thousand:
Perona did what exactly for him?
Perona brought a whole bunch of gold and food and jewels to the Thousand sunny… seems like enough to me. lol
Luffy loves his food you know hehe
edit: if it wasn't for the jewel that Luffy took that he put on his arm... Buggy wouldn't have helped Luffy at all
@Thousand:
Robin saved Luffy twice and then Luffy saved Robin. Perona did what exactly for him?
Nurse Zoro back to health.
Nurse Zoro back to health.
You don't know why she did that. She could have her own selfish reasons. She seemed happy when she saw him all battered up and bruised when she saw him initially.
Well, she had been there by herself since Kuma showed up in Thriller Bark however long ago that was in-story. :p
Maybe she thinks briused and bloodied guys are hot.
…actually, that would make sense given her character. >_>;;
I really hope Perona and Jimbei do not join the SH… The only thing that would be remotely fun about Perona joining would be to see how she would react around Usopp.
My theory about Perona, and thus Zoro's cover story, is this. I think she got really lonely and aggrivated at not having any slaves (as hinted at by the manga pages when Zoro first showed up). Therefore, I think she's nursing him back to health with plans to use her ghosts to force him into submission and become her slave. I think that the first cover page we'll see of Zoro will be him running like hell from the ghosts.
Out of the three stories we've had so far, two of them have started off with a chase scene.
I'd prefer something different, to be honest.
Err, all three started with a chase scene (Robin just managed to hide, typical Robin).
Eh, I don't really see the beginning of Robin's as one.
But if must count it as such, that's even more reason to hope for something different.
I never make predictions based on hopes.
@Thousand:
You don't know why she did that. She could have her own selfish reasons. She seemed happy when she saw him all battered up and bruised when she saw him initially.
It doesn't matter. When they reunite some focus will be on Zoro's condition. He'll probably mention Perona nursing him back to health. She could've had the most evil intentions but if Luffy hears that she's automatically not such a bad person after all lol. Zoro could even say after that she probably only did for her own safety and it wouldn't matter to Luffy at least
Shame on you underestimating Luffy's simple mindedness and naivety. Only thing that'd change that situation is if she later on full revealed that she was a bad person and went against the SHs again but it'd have to be much worse that what she already did.
Not saying she will join nor do I care if she does(if she does there'll need to be changes) but the arguments for and against just aren't that strong.