Petrified Sanji would be fine, because she'll unpetrify him on Luffy's comand. Chopper would also get the benefit of being friends with Luffy. Then again, old habbits die hard.
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i think that the Strawhat pirates are a mirror image of the BB pirates so i think that they will get a member with a big body like Jesus Burgess or someshit
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Wasn't Usopp supposed to remain the weakest SH?
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I don't understand WHY people don't want Perona to join…I mean her personality is really unique! She's a cute animal-loving princess who has a thing for gothic clothing. You can't get more unique than that. Besides, the crew has been becoming quite the sausage fest lately...we need a female crew member now~!
The reason why I don't want her to join is because
[hide]She's a cute animal-loving princess who has a thing for gothic clothing. Dear god, just no…[/hide]
I agree with the part about the female crewmember, though.
Somebody suggested a female fishman/helmsman from fishman island. I'd like to add to that with fishman-karate as her fighting style.Her relationships with the characters could also be very nice….Her and Robin are more gothic. They'll get along just fine.
This made me laugh.
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@Monkey:
i think that the Strawhat pirates are a mirror image of the BB pirates so i think that they will get a member with a big body like Jesus Burgess or someshit
Umm… Franky? >_>
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Umm… Franky? >_>
Yeah. In general, I don't really think the crew needs a ''big, dumb strong guy''. They got a few raw strength dudes already.
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While i myself would love Jinbei to join the Strawhats and the arguments were pretty solid i cannot see him doing it since he has a former bounty of 250 mill belli which would be reactivated and this would dwarf Zoro and Sanji with ease.
Did Robin's bounty not dwarf everyone's in the crew until Jaya, where she was only then dwarfed by Luffy? Zoro's bounty wasn't higher until the end of Water 7, which was years later for the readers.
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^^ Jimbei can still be stronger than luffy as he might probably be 100 or 1000 times stronger in water …
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^^ Jimbei can still be stronger than luffy as he might probably be 100 or 1000 times stronger in water …
Cause Luffy would ever fight a battle in water? No, no. On the contrary, this makes his chances of joining even greater. He adds yet another special form of unique fighting, gives a special defensive ability the crew lacks, and on land is (or can be) weaker than Luffy in a fight. It's similar to Luffy vs. Zoro; it's unfair to match them since Zoro has three (or nine) swords to hit Luffy with, giving him an advantage. Or Luffy vs. Usopp; Usopp could just set traps and snipe Luffy from far away. In the water Jinbei has the same type of strategic advantage. Either way Luffy would force the enemey (or in this case sparring partner) into his own style of combat and come out on top. Much like he did with Arlong, who excels under water.
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Using the 250 million defense is pointless now. After all the stuff that's been happening lately, the SH's bounties are all going to jump post WB war. Especially Luffy's. Zoro's and Sanji's bounty should get a hefty boost as well.
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The problem is that even with his swords zoro won't be able to beat luffy. On the othwe hand let's imagine jimbei in water being able to create a huge freak wave… That won't be good for luffy.
What i mean (we don't know what jimbei is able to do when he is in water.) we know jimbei is much more stronger in water. What if from the ocean he is able to destroy battleships with waves and stuff that would even blow luffy in 1 second?
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The problem is that even with his swords zoro won't be able to beat luffy. On the othwe hand let's imagine jimbei in water being able to create a huge freak wave… That won't be good for luffy.
What i mean (we don't know what jimbei is able to do when he is in water.) we know jimbei is much more stronger in water. What if from the ocean he is able to destroy battleships with waves and stuff that would even blow luffy in 1 second?
The fact that jimbei said he will help luffy isn't an argument for me to consider him joining the SHs. I will wait for more.Luffy can't fight anyways in water so it's a moot point. Luffy can have Gear 10 but as soon as he hits water he's fucked. Jinbei regardless will always have the advantage in water. But with this reveal (Jinbei is gimped on land) Luffy can still be stronger since the crew will most likely spend more time on land than water. So he's still strong enough to be the strongest on the crew. Luffy will still be the captain. Hell Nami should be able to beat Luffy if she can somehow get him to fall in water. What Brennen is arguing is that Jinbei has a strength which the crew lacks. Which is his water abilities. So in that retrospect he'll be a great addition to the crew.
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The problem is that even with his swords Zoro won't be able to beat Luffy.
You must have missed where I said Luffy would force them into his combat style and win. All I meant is that, like other crew members, Jinbei would offer a new form of unique style/strength. Of course, any fishman or merman could do this, but Jinbei is who we have now and there are more reasons than simply that for me to suggest him as a possibility. In regards to your original argument though, that he "might" be stronger than Luffy in water, I simply suggest that it is irrelivant since – like Zoro and Usopp -- it is a condition that must be present for him to even have that advantage. Much like right now, he won't always have water to swim around in. Even if he did, there is nothing certain about whether or not he would be stronger than Luffy.
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It's similar to Luffy vs. Zoro; it's unfair to match them since Zoro has three (or nine) swords to hit Luffy with, giving him an advantage.
I hope you know why this is stupid.
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Luffy can't fight anyways in water so it's a moot point. Luffy can have Gear 10 but as soon as he hits water he's fucked. Jinbei regardless will always have the advantage in water. But with this reveal (Jinbei is gimped on land) Luffy can still be stronger since the crew will most likely spend more time on land than water. So he's still strong enough to be the strongest on the crew. Luffy will still be the captain. Hell Nami should be able to beat Luffy if she can somehow get him to fall in water. What Brennen is arguing is that Jinbei has a strength which the crew lacks. Which is his water abilities. So in that retrospect he'll be a great addition to the crew.
You must have missed where I said Luffy would force them into his combat style and win. All I meant is that, like other crew members, Jinbei would offer a new form of unique style/strength. Of course, any fishman or merman could do this, but Jinbei is who we have now and there are more reasons than simply that for me to suggest him as a possibility. In regards to your original argument though, that he "might" be stronger than Luffy in water, I simply suggest that it is irrelivant since – like Zoro and Usopp -- it is a condition that must be present for him to even have that advantage. Much like right now, he won't always have water to swim around in. Even if he did, there is nothing certain about whether or not he would be stronger than Luffy.
I got the point. Now my question what will a fishman bring to the crew? Do you mean the new world is filled with submarines/fishmen attacking from the ocean? I can't see him using his strength at all if it is only effective in water. I mean he became a shichibukai not only because his karate is so strong on land but also because he is much more stronger in water which may imply his attacks coming from water affect people who are on ships or maybe on land etc…. Anyway let's see it like that:
How will jimbei fight in his element when the SHs are on an island? Where is the fun for him? While everyone is in his element he will have to wait for someone to go in water to enjoy a fight with all his capacities? It's not like the enemies will jump into water and try to fight him knowing that fishmen are stronger in water and knowing jimbei is the pobably the strongest fishman (hmm can someone confirm this?) in the world which is already an achievement (zoro wants to be the best swordman in the world and jimbei.... yeah).
Basically we know nothing about jimbeis power. I speculate he is stronger. It's my opinion. Let's wait and see. But if jimbei is so strong in water that his attacks can affect people on land then he is probably much stronger than luffy (since those attacks would not only affect fodder but also guys like ace or...). If his attacks range is only in water then he won't have fun with the SHs on their journey since all of them fight on land and not in water!
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It's similar to Luffy vs. Zoro; it's unfair to match them since Zoro has three (or nine) swords to hit Luffy with, giving him an advantage.
Oh come on, you remember that scuffle they had in Whiskey Peak! It was pretty much a tie until Nami beat the shit out of both of them!
Now, moving on to the Fishman problem, even if they are even stronger in the water, they are still several times stronger than a human on land. Arlong, if you remember, was able to up-end a house on dry land without any trouble. Plus they also have that berserker state too. Even when they weren't in the water, Kuroobi was still able to send Sanji flying through stone walls with his punches, and we've seen what Jimbei is capable of. You can't say that their strength would not be invaluable either way.
Anyway, I really think they should get one to join the crew. It would go along with the theme of the Straw Hats changing people's perceptions during their travels, as with Skypiea and Amazon Lily. And you know, the symbolism of one using the famed Fishman oceanography skills to help out Nami with her work, one whose life was made hell by them.
And of course, this Fishman would not be Jimbei.
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Yeah Hacchi would be a good candidate. It would be cool to see him helping them :) Jimbei already achieved too much knows too much well…
Hacchi is weak compared to the monster trio so it would be great to see him improving. On the other hand he has a takoyaki shop with caimie and pappag. What will happen to the 2 if hacchi decides to join the SHs? Will caimie pappag also join? That is probably the only reason i think hacchi won't join. Hacchi has room to improve learn new stuff etc...
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I hope you know why this is stupid.
It's not stupid at all. Are you really going to suggest that Luffy vs. Zoro with swords is no different than Luffy vs. Zoro without swords? That is stupid. We are discussing "strength" here as a deterring factor for a potential crew member. So in that regard, the advantage Jinbei has in water is similar to the advantage Usopp has in long rang or Zoro has with swords. These items don't make them "stronger" than Luffy, but in a fictional battle between eachother it would definitely give them the tactical advantage. It is similar in that it gives them a tactical advantage over being completely bare. The difference is that Zoro (almost) always has his swords on him and water is not always at Jinbei's dispense, just as range is not always at Usopp's. For instance, Luffy has to be that much faster, stronger, and more skilled than Zoro to even avoid any of Zoro's swords before he can even hit him. On the other hand, Luffy has to dodge completely to avoid damage from Zoro since he cannot block or defend from blades. The point being that to the crew – not vs. Luffy -- it adds yet another advantage, skillset, and power.
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Hacci is a bad candiate. He's already achieved his dream of a takoyaki stand with Camie. He's going to abandon her and her annoying screaming sidekick Pappag to join the SHs?
If a fishmen joins it'll be someone else.
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Oh come on, you remember that scuffle they had in Whiskey Peak! It was pretty much a tie until Nami beat the shit out of both of them!
facepalm You should know I am not talking directly about Luffy vs. Zoro, or whether or not one is stronger than the other. I am talking about how it is a moot point to bring up their specific advantage as reason for why they are stronger than Luffy, and whether or not that would even matter in the long run.
Now, moving on to the Fishman problem, even if they are even stronger in the water, they are still several times stronger than a human on land. Arlong, if you remember, was able to up-end a house on dry land without any trouble. Plus they also have that berserker state too. Even when they weren't in the water, Kuroobi was still able to send Sanji flying through stone walls with his punches, and we've seen what Jimbei is capable of. You can't say that their strength would not be invaluable either way.
I assume you aren't talking to me, as I made no claims to the contrary in this regard. But I will comment anyway. They are naturaly stronger than a human, yes, but not every human. Luffy, for example, was stronger than Arlong. Zoro, for example, was stronger than Hacchi. Sanji, for example, was stronger than Kuroobi. It's all dependant on the specific person, and how strong they have become through training or whatever. While Jinbei is very likely about as strong as Sanji, Luffy, and Zoro out of water, he is without a doubt much stronger than any of them in the water.
And of course, this Fishman would not be Jimbei.
Pffffft.
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Brennen.exe: You missed the point of what Crossword was arguing. He was saying that a fishman isn't exactly useless on land. But still are strong and capable fighters on land. They're still 10 times stronger than a human would be. Then he brought up what the Arlong crew did while they were still on land. He wasn't using it as a strength dick measuring contest between Luffy, Zoro and Sanji vs the fishman.
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you didn't answer what the Shs will benefit from jimbeis power in water?
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It's not stupid at all. Are you really going to suggest that Luffy vs. Zoro with swords is no different than Luffy vs. Zoro without swords? That is stupid. We are discussing "strength" here as a deterring factor for a potential crew member. So in that regard, the advantage Jinbei has in water is similar to the advantage Usopp has in long rang or Zoro has with swords. These items don't make them "stronger" than Luffy, but in a fictional battle between eachother it would definitely give them the tactical advantage. It is similar in that it gives them a tactical advantage over being completely bare. The difference is that Zoro (almost) always has his swords on him and water is not always at Jinbei's dispense, just as range is not always at Usopp's. For instance, Luffy has to be that much faster, stronger, and more skilled than Zoro to even avoid any of Zoro's swords before he can even hit him. On the other hand, Luffy has to dodge completely to avoid damage from Zoro since he cannot block or defend from blades. The point being that to the crew – not vs. Luffy -- it adds yet another advantage, skillset, and power.
I'm pointing out that Luffy isn't any more weak against swords than, say, Sanji is. That's what's stupid. People always speak as if swords are like kryptonite to Luffy. A weakness is something like Croc vs Water or Aokiji vs a Heater. I wasn't saying anything against your argument, just that I hate that example.
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you didn't answer what the Shs will benefit from jimbeis power in water?
Well if say Oda does more Pirates vs. Pirates ships battles. Jinbei can go in the water and preemptively sink some ships. Rescue Luffy, Chopper and Brook when Brook and Chopper jump retardly into the water to rescue Luffy. The SH do have 4 DF users (Luffy, Chopper, Brooke, Robin) right now who are fucked if they fall into the water. Oda then tends to match opponents with other similar opponent styles. Jinbei can face karate opponents that Sanji isn't facing or he may use this as a means to introduce pirate crews that have fishman as crew members. Of course if there's say a lake or if their by a beach during a battle. Jinbei or random fishman that joins can knock them into the water and then rape them with their superior water abilities and we'll see thier true power.
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Well if say Oda does more Pirates vs. Pirates ships battles. Jinbei can go in the water and preemptively sink some ships. Rescue Luffy, Chopper and Brook when Brook and Chopper jump retardly into the water to rescue Luffy. The SH do have 4 DF users (Luffy, Chopper, Brooke, Robin) right now who are fucked if they fall into the water. Oda then tends to match opponents with other similar opponent styles. Jinbei can face karate opponents that Sanji isn't facing or he may use this as a means to introduce pirate crews that have fishman as crew members. Of course if there's say a lake or if their by a beach during a battle. Jinbei or random fishman that joins can knock them into the water and then rape them with their superior water abilities and we'll see thier true power.
It seems not right to me cause he will be the only one to be in his element against let's say a whole fishman pirate crew?
Out of the water jimbei isn't at 100% that's a huge problem. And if there are battleships fights it would be boring to have jimbei just jump in the water and sink the ship with like 1 attack :(
Zoro nami sanji Franky can save the others if they fall into water. The problem with the water element is that the SHs won't sail under water but ….. yeah obvious. And only at arlong park sanji was forced to fight under water but that's it. And i can imagine it will be boring for him not to have the fun in being mostly in his favourite element. -
Yeah Arlong was extremely depressed from being out of water in Arlong Park. A fishman doesn't need to swim in water to be happy.
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Yeah Arlong was extremely depressed from being out of water in Arlong Park. A fishman doesn't need to swim in water to be happy.
Jimbei in water is overkill. Having him in the crew will take out the fun the thrill and will become boring. Better?
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It's overkill I agree if he's always in water but that's why he won't be in water 100% of the time.
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And having him in the team will mean the super submarine of Franky will become useless. I expect more of it in the story.
It will also take away the fun of the depth of the sea etc… Just send jimbei there to gather the teasures if there is one at the ground... too simple... -
Brennen.exe: You missed the point of what Crossword was arguing. He was saying that a fishman isn't exactly useless on land. But still are strong and capable fighters on land. They're still 10 times stronger than a human would be. Then he brought up what the Arlong crew did while they were still on land. He wasn't using it as a strength dick measuring contest between Luffy, Zoro and Sanji vs the fishman.
Yeah, no. I didn't miss that. If he was even talking to me in the first place, all I did was comment on what he said and its relevance to this discussion.
You didn't answer what the SH's will benefit from Jinbei's power in water?
Is it necessary? The are pirates. At any given time they could get into a battle on the water where a good fraction of them cannot even swim. Jinbei – or any fishman -- would be an enormous asset. It's more about having their bases covered in the instance that it is needed.
I'm pointing out that Luffy isn't any more weak against swords than, say, Sanji is.
Yeah, uhhhh, when did I ever imply otherwise? Rather than reading each sentence as its own statement, read the entire conversation. In context, Luffy doesn't matter. Zoro doesn't matter. It's a sword giving an advantage over someone without a sword that matters, just as Jinbei being a fishman in water gives an advantage over a non-fishman in water. These are irrelevant when discussing whether or not someone can join the crew. Luffy will never fight someone in the water, so he will never be comparable to Jinbei in that aspect.
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With my submarine argument yeah i don't want any fishman in the crew. Franky will build a better submarine with his new knowledge and we will all have fun :)
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And having him in the team will mean the super submarine of Franky will become useless. I expect more of it in the story.
It will also take away the fun of the depth of the sea etc… Just send jimbei there to gather the teasures if there is one at the ground... too simple...How would it be useless when all the other SH can't swim like that. Everyone else would still have to use the submarine for deep sea exploration while Jinbei swims along with the submarine or they'll use the submarine when Jinbei is off doing something else.
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Why waste cola when you have one fishman to do all the job in 2 seconds? :) I think you got my point.
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Just think of it as having two submarines.
Keep in mind that the Shark Submerge has its structural limits. I'd assume the that powers of evolution have given Fishmen the abilities to go and do things that normal submarines cannot.
Really, claiming that a Fishman can't join because they already have a submarine is an incredible silly argument.
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I assume the fishmen are able to swim to fishmen island without help.
And the fact that the actual submarine has limits is what makes it interesting. Maybe franky will upgrade it and i will see it as a waste if they have a fishman that can achieve more. Why risk your life? Risking your life is fun. The fact that the pressure can kill you and you have actually no other way to achieve your goal is what makes that adventure interesting. -
Why waste cola when you have one fishman to do all the job in 2 seconds? :) I think you got my point.
Becuase you can buy cola in stores. Also you're acting like Jinbei is always going to be there. It's not like the SH never get seperated at all and they all stick together on every adventure they do. They'll be a point most likely where say the fishman went off ahead or is off fighting someone. And the non swimmers need to use the submarine to search for something or do recon under the sea.
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Is it necessary? The are pirates. At any given time they could get into a battle on the water where a good fraction of them cannot even swim. Jinbei – or any fishman -- would be an enormous asset. It's more about having their bases covered in the instance that it is needed.
This is too easy. Well they have struggle to handle that guy in the water just let the fishman face him. Will be too easy for luffy. It's more interesting to see how they will deal with this huge problem rather than solve it by adding one fishman to the crew. Ok here is my list
- Jimbei is too strong for the SHs
- Jimbei has his own people to take care of
- Jimbei was an ex shichi.
- Jimbei knows too much (famed people and stuff about the new world which can ruin the adventure…). The SHs right now need a power up which means they have to become stronger. I don't want Oda to add a new friend in order to make the SHs more powerful.
- A new nakama means less panels for the rest of the crew.
- We have enough SHs who are powerful. When was the last time someone as powerful as usopp joined?
- insert my silly submarine argument
- Jimbei needs a good dream.
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This is too easy. Well they have struggle to handle that guy in the water just let the fishman face him. Will be too easy for luffy. It's more interesting to see how they will deal with this huge problem rather than solve it by adding one fishman to the crew. Ok here is my list
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Jimbei is too strong for the SHsbased on what?
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Jimbei has his own people to take care ofwhite beard is already doing that
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Jimbei was an ex shichi.well not yet, but why does that matter? Zoro's a supernova.
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Jimbei knows too much (famed people and stuff about the new world which can ruin the adventure…). The SHs right now need a power up which means they have to become stronger. I don't want Oda to add a new friend in order to make the SHs more powerful.they're not going to just quit training because they have a new guy. plus luffy, zoro and sanji all have power ups.
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A new nakama means less panels for the rest of the crew.I can't reall say that's false, but I don't think I've ever felt that any member of the crew was not getting enough screen time
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We have enough SHs who are powerful. When was the last time someone as powerful as usopp joined?Oda said ussopp will always be the weakest, plus there's no need for a deadweight, all new nakama will be stronger than ussop
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insert my silly submarine argumentwell you already admit it's silly so there's no need for a rebuttle really
- Jimbei needs a good dream.did I miss the part where he said he had no dream?
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Everyone has to think, why did Oda send the SH on a trainings arc? Why not wait untill we have 11 man total?
Know you ask how the hell you know that we get 11?
1. The Foreshadowing of Luffy wanting 10 man.
2. Oda stating he want the SH work togheter as a sport team –> Soccer
10 plus a Captain.I think Oda did this so let people join who are strong already. And bring the SH back to a level which they obviously can survive against The New World.
Good know @ MM
your statements
Jimbei is too strong for the SHs
See my point ^
Jimbei has his own people to take care of
Who said?
Jimbei was an ex shichi.
Does it really matter?
Jimbei knows too much (famed people and stuff about the new world which can ruin the adventure...). The SHs right now need a power up which means they have to become stronger. I don't want Oda to add a new friend in order to make the SHs more powerful.
See point one and Robin also knew much. So it doesn't really matter, does it.
A new nakama means less panels for the rest of the crew.
Err, that's just a bad statement. Because it's obvious we're getting 2 people more.
We have enough SHs who are powerful. When was the last time someone as powerful as usopp joined?
Usopp is staying the weakest of the bunch. And also see my first point
insert my silly submarine argument
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Jimbei needs a good dream.
Can still happen.
Now my opinion
Jinbei joining.. I prefer, if there will be a merman/mermaid/fishman. A new one.
If there would be anyone to join in this arc:
Inazuma, seeing Luffy calling him Crab chan I think he has some liking to him. AND he was the first ökama to be seen in this arc not mentioning Bonclay
Crocodile, yeah wait with the "NO BOO NEVER HAPPEN." I am not finished explaining.
Ivankov telling us Croc has a secret. I think he was a girl who wanted be a man for status. Also when Inazuma turned that man that attacked him into a girl. It's nature also changed. So, this could happen with Croc. Different name etc etc. This could be very cool in my opinion ^^.
Summary: Crocodile in girl form for nakamaHancock/Margareth
Hancock, well first I was a big fan. But know. I want people with no name. Become famous with the future pirate king. I think this will not work. I would like Margareth though. Seeing her being blonde. I think she has a good chance xD. And fighting with weapons imbued with haki is just awesome.
Other than that. We still need a trainee. Maybe a merman under the princess orders or something like that.
I don't know if Merman and Fishman are alike but oh well ^^;;.
Well if somebody joins I think I go for Margareth or Inazuma. And then I hope Margareth for the most because she is a real girl....
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This is too easy. Well they have struggle to handle that guy in the water just let the fishman face him. Will be too easy for luffy. It's more interesting to see how they will deal with this huge problem rather than solve it by adding one fishman to the crew. Ok here is my list
- based on what?
white beard is already doing that
well not yet, but why does that matter? Zoro's a supernova. they're not going to just quit training because they have a new guy. plus luffy, zoro and sanji all have power ups.
I can't reall say that's false, but I don't think I've ever felt that any member of the crew was not getting enough screen time
Oda said ussopp will always be the weakest, plus there's no need for a deadweight, all new nakama will be stronger than ussop
well you already admit it's silly so there's no need for a rebuttle reallydid I miss the part where he said he had no dream?
1. He's a shickibukai, they're petty strong, I don't expect Oda to do somethng like that.
2. Whitebeard might not be around for very long, plus whitbeard protects the territory, not the inhabitants themselves. That's what Jinbei does.
3. Big difference between a Supernova & a Shickibukai. LOL.
4. I don't care about the screen time thing.
5. That doesn't mean he has to be stronger than Luffy.
7. He said he needed a good dream.
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@Fiasco.:
1. He's a shickibukai, they're petty strong, I don't expect Oda to do somethng like that.
Robin had the second highest bounty ever seen when she joined.
2. Whitebeard might not be around for very long, plus whitbeard protects the territory, not the inhabitants themselves. That's what Jinbei does.
If whitebear was only protecting the land then why would jimbei care? were pranksters shitting on his lawn before whitebeard came along? Besides, he has no problem being away from it now. Did he become a pirate by waiting on fishman island, never sailing and beating pirates that came through or something? He's a pirate, he has to have sailed before.
3. Big difference between a Supernova & a Shickibukai. LOL.
well it's been shown that a supernova can beat a schichibukai. The only thing being a schichibukai proves is that you're strong and scary, just like a supernova. Government affiliates no that luffy beat Croc and Moria, so it's not like they don't think he's worth anything.
4. I don't care about the screen time thing.
me neither. What're you arguing?
5. That doesn't mean he has to be stronger than Luffy.
I don't follow. You're right, he doesn't have to be stonger than luffy
7. He said he needed a good dream.
so it's been said that jimbei may have a dream, but if he does it could only be a crappy one? Hmm, I guess I missed that part.
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Robin had the second highest bounty ever seen when she joined.
If whitebear was only protecting the land then why would jimbei care, were pranksters shitting on his lawn before whitebeard came along? Besides, he has no problem being away from it now. Did he become a pirate by waiting on fishman island, never sailing and beating pirates that came through or something? He's a pirate, he has to have sailed before.
well it's been shown that a supernova can beat a schichibukai. The only thing being a schichibukai proves is that you're strong and scary, just like a supernova. Government affiliates no that luffy beat Croc and Moria, so it's not like they don't think he's worth anything.
me neither. What're you arguing?
I don't follow. You're right, he doesn't have to be stonger than luffy
so it's been said that jimbei may have a dream, but if he does it could only be a crappy one? Hmm, I guess I missed that part.
Basically I don't believe he will join because his character doesn't fit. He might help them to fishman island, and I always wanted a fishman to join, but he doesn't seem right, atleast not now. Maybe later in the story.
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On strength and fame etc… See actual chapter. Jimbei is right now pwning the guards in ID. And don't say those beasts are fodder. And is much more stronger in water ---> too strong. I don't like the idea to have a new guy join just to make them stronger. That fits in BBs crew but not necessarly in luffys...
Who will protect fishman island from the rampaging era if WB dies or looses his influence?-
well not yet, but why does that matter? Zoro's a supernova. they're not going to just quit training because they have a new guy. plus luffy, zoro and sanji all have power ups.
There is a big difference between a supernova and a member of the three great powers. Being a shichibukai means he already had enough influence on the world. And the shichibukais are strong. Each of them has the power to lead a crew and are great pirates…-
Oda said ussopp will always be the weakest, plus there's no need for a deadweight, all new nakama will be stronger than ussop
Actually another one who is as strong as uspoo will maybe help him…-
well you already admit it's silly so there's no need for a rebuttle
ask Crossword why that opinion of mine is silly!reallydid I miss the part where he said he had no dream?
see Fiascos post. And what kind of logic is that? I'm saying we have no idea what dream he has and to join he needs a good dream. Every SH has a good/great dream. What will be Jimbeis one? I can't see it…@RobinotX:
Jimbei is too strong for the SHs
See my point ^Yeah and why should 10/9 crew members come from the old world? Why?
Jimbei has his own people to take care of
Who said?Do you think he doesn't care for the other fishmen? Why do you think he became a shichibukai?
Jimbei was an ex shichi.
Does it really matter?Yes someone who as part of the three great powers of the world had already so much impact on the story has imo his own adventure to live.
See point one and Robin also knew much. So it doesn't really matter, does it.
She knew a lot regarding her dream and she reads the newspapers. That doesn't mean she had much adventures in the new world and already saw with her own eyes the amazing things the SHs are witnessing during their adventures…
A new nakama means less panels for the rest of the crew.
Err, that's just a bad statement. Because it's obvious we're getting 2 people more.Fair enough! I just want those 2 to come as late as possible to have the group we already have work better together and improving… Which means i want all the panels we can get to show them :)
Jimbei needs a good dream.
Can still happen.And right now i can't imagine what dream he should have to follow the SHs to raftel….
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^ I have no idea what your post is saying because all the quotes got mixed up.
EDIT: Nevermind it was just the first part, I can read it.
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updated! And read also the answer to robinotx cause parts of what you are seeking maybe there.
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Who will protect fishman island from the rampaging era if WB dies or looses his influence?
what will brook do if crcus dies and can't take care of laboon and then laboon dies? or the world is destroyed in the great war and nami can't make her map and franky can't sail around it? or someone finds one piece? Your argument is based on something that hasn't happened yet. I believe it could happen but it hasn't so you really can't use it.
There is a big difference between a supernova and a member of the three great powers. Being a shichibukai means he already had enough influence on the world. And the shichibukais are strong. Each of them has the power to lead a crew and are great pirates…
You don't have to bet that amazing to be a schichibukai, hancock got it after 1 voyage and gaining a bounty of 80 million, for all we know the supernova's could be equally strong. Being a shichibukai, once again, does NOT mean you are top tier in the one piece world. Hence their are 7 of them and are the world governments bitches.
Actually another one who is as strong as uspoo will maybe help him…
maybe…
see Fiascos post. And what kind of logic is that? I'm saying we have no idea what dream he has and to join he needs a good dream. Every SH has a good/great dream. What will be Jimbeis one? I can't see it…
Was franky's dream revealed to us when we first saw him? was robin's? He can still have a dream.
NOTE: you should know that I'm not arguing the he WILL join I'm just arguing that he CAN join.
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what will brook do if crcus dies and can't take care of laboon and then laboon does. This argument is based on something that hasn't happened yet. I believe it could happen but it hasn't so you really can't use it.
Crocus didn't die yet so yes he can but regarding the facts we have now it didn't happen. So i can't use that argument. The same goes with jimbei. Have we seen a dream of him? No regarding the facts. It can happen? Yes but then i ask you what kind of dream will it be? <–- that's the important question. We're not Oda but we can discuss it. And if we don't find anything... then... maybe it's just the wrong person/fishman to join?
You don't have to bet that amazing to be a schichibukai, hancock got it after 1 voyage and gaining a bounty of 80 million,
that statement is simply wrong! Hancock is strong. Simple! Bounties means nothing! Also simple! And the shichibukais are strong! They all have so powerfull abilities… And luffy being a supernova also means nothing. We all know he has a great future even if he is struggling now. He will be the one to become a PK so we can't really compare. Luffy is a rookie but has qualities some of the supernovas are missing!!!
for all we know the supernova's could be equally strong. Being a shichibukai, once again, does NOT mean you are top tier in the one piece world. Hence their are 7 of them and are the world governments bitches.
Nono… Take croc the one who many here consider to be the weakest shichi... Now look at the supernovas and tell me one who stands a chance against him? Even luffy got nearly killed (2 times). They are legendary pirates. Mihawk the strongest swordman in the world a man who fought against shanks and weren't raped as moria etc... Kuma... Jimbei.... They aren't rookies. They know enough of the sea and are great warriors. If you deny this we should stop discussing it right now!
maybe… Was franky's dream revealed to us when we first saw him? was robin's? He can still have a dream.
Frankys dream is the thousand sunny. Fix it clean it and see how far it can go. He built it. Now he wants to make that ship a legend by helping the SHs to end their journey!
NOTE: you should know that I'm not arguing the he WILL join I'm just arguing that he CAN join.
Yes we can! And so can hancock buggy, Mr.3, Hannyabal, Ace…
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Crocus didn't die yet so yes he can but regarding the facts we have now it didn't happen. So i can't use that argument. The same goes with jimbei. Have we seen a dream of him? No regarding the facts. It can happen? Yes but then i ask you what kind of dream will it be?[/quote} LOL, OWNED (myself, you owned me, I'll admit it)
that statement is simply wrong! Hancock is strong. Simple! Bounties means nothing! Also simple! And the shichibukais are strong!
well what are you basing any of this on? We've only seen her take out a crew and it was said, that after 1 voyage and gaining a bounty of 80 million she was recruited. It never mentioned completely raping any legends! Nothing has shown her to be any better than a supernova. Bounties don't equal power, but nothing annoys me more than people who abuse that argument and cast aside any bounty related argument just because a FEW cases have deceiving bounties. My point is, with a bounty of 80 million and one voyage one is eligible for schichibukai status, all the supernova's match that. Not to mention Luffy has done unbelievable things that had never been done before (raiding EL and ID)
Nono… Take croc the one who many here consider to be the weakest shichi... Now look at the supernovas and tell me one who stands a chance against him? Even luffy got nearly killed (2 times). They are legendary pirates. Mihawk the strongest swordman in the world a man who fought against shanks and weren't raped as moria etc... Kuma... Jimbei.... They aren't rookies. They know enough of the sea and are great warriors. If you deny this we should stop discussing it right now!
yes all are good, some are amazing, at least 1 is a legend. but while the other 2 powers have 3 guys and 4 guys, the shchibukai have 7 and they take orders from their former enemy. From what we've seen they have the weakest members (croc and maybe hancock, but I'm just basing hancock off of bounty so she could rape and I'm unaware). A supernova COULD be stronger than a schichibukai.
Frankys dream is the thousand sunny. Fix it clean it and see how far it can go. He built it. Now he wants to make that ship a legend by helping the SHs to end their journey!
thanks… I wasn't asking what it was, I was saying that not every character just appears and spills their dreams.
Yes we can!
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My point. I think we will get the whole crew before The New World. Else the new nakama's don't have much screen time ;).
Also, when I look back.
Margareth asked Luffy to come back with his crew. I could see Margareth join.
Then with the foreshadowing of Fishman Island like in Arlong arc. There has to be a Fishman nakama.This will not be Jinbei. As I stated in my previous post.