http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/31678
Yikes… it gone to this extent..wonder if it will actually happen?
Losing internet becoming the new penalty for Downloading music illegally?
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Yay fucktards.
…kind of makes me glad for the fact that the RIAA can't touch me.
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welp, there's always ripping songs off youtube
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just read the artical
there making more since now then they were a year or so ago when they saying they were gonna sue everyone.
Looks like no one is gonna have internet connection anymore
It will happen to a few but its really just a fear mongering scare tacticThe real question is. How do they know? Ok get real of course they could easily find out but that would be an invasion of privacy. And against the constitution. This is just greed and a set up probably from when they made the file sharing shit on purpose in the beggining.
"All apart of the plan"
all that being said…i dont use file sharing anyway
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I feel for the poor souls under the maggotry of COMCAST, since among the ISPs I think they're the ones most likely to take things seriously.
That said, at least the RIAA is getting smarter. It's too late though. Not that I pirate music anyway.
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Are the news over there taking this seriously at all?
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Assuming this is real…. well fucking no.
Considering I'm paying for the internet service... I'm not ONLY using it for music downloading... there should be a completely different punishment for that. It's borderline ridiculous that they have to take away your fucking internet because you're downloading music. Not to mention most companies are OVERPRICED. A DOLLAR for a song on Itunes? Holy hell who wants to pay that much?!? (don't even get me started on the price of their movies and tv shows)
Also, what about artists who give away songs free on their websites or leak their albums before they even come out... technically since they're LEAKING it of their own free will to the public... don't we have the right to download it? (although the record company does get pretty pissed lol)
Also... what about artists who feel we shouldn't have to pay or pay AS MUCH for music (ex. Radiohead, various indie artists)? Actually I paid like 15 bucks for In Rainbows... mainly because iTunes needs to fuck off. -
I agree with just about everything Moria has said.
Besides… I just rip my music off of Youtube. Such things are pretty much untraceable. The day when I cannot do such things anymore is when I actually start buying my music, but it will NOT be from iTunes.
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I guess it's a neat idea. At least in theory. But I don't download music anyway. Radio all the way, baby.
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Most cases of illegal downloading also involve uploading aswell. Pretty much always through the use of bittorrent clients. If you look at most cases where a person has been sent to court, fined etc… they will have been uploading the song as well. The music industry really has an axe to grind with illegal distribution. That isn't to say that you won't get prosecuted for solely downloading a track or album, it is just that it is very rare. Also, to the dick who is complaining about $1 downloads. Are you joking? God, before downloading music was availible I would have to pay £2+ ($3) for a CD and over £10 for an album.
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If they shortened your connection most people would just drop the ISP. Thus them dying
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I heard about this on G4's "Attack of the Show" and told my mom, and she said that they can't do this, and I think she also said only the goverment has the right to do this, IDK >___>
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@Bad-Beat:
God, before downloading music was availible I would have to pay £2+ ($3) for a CD and over £10 for an album.
You don't really have a right to complain, since for [insert financial situation here] there's bound to be a share of people both worse off and better off than you who still feel it's a lot. Cost is relative, although I'd point out nobody should underestimate the value of $1 USD in a recession.
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I'm not complaining. The opposite in fact, I am trying to say it is much better now.
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Well this sucks. I don't wanna lose my internet connection. I guess I'll have to stop downloading illegally somehow. I can't afford to pay for music online :sad:.
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Yeah, it's much worse losing your internet connection then going to friggin prison. I mean what the hell? Is everybody living in their parents basement, seeing the light only once a week while surfing the web or how come that losing the internet connection is more scary then a prison cell?
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So if someone loses their internet connection, can't they get a new one from a different ISP? Isn't this better than going to prison. I don't listen to much music anyway and I don't download it either. Besides, when I feel like listening to some music, I use the radio stations available in winamp. They're free =)
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@Bad-Beat:
Also, to the dick who is complaining about $1 downloads. Are you joking? God, before downloading music was availible I would have to pay £2+ ($3) for a CD and over £10 for an album.
I'm extremely into music. I have over 3000 songs (I used to have 7000 something but I lost it all). I download about 100-300 songs every month. Like fucking hell I'm paying a hundred to three hundred motherfucking dollars every month for music. Evidently you're a fucking stupid moron who just blows his money away without a care if you think a dollar a song isn't overpriced.
I have a very advanced music taste (most of my artists aren't even on music stores)… how the hell am I supposed to fucking download them otherwise? The only place to get them is off their website or through a torrent... they're NOWHERE else.
This is a better punishment than going to prison... that's for sure. But it's by far not the best way to deal with it. The correct way of dealing with the problem would be like blocking the person's IP address from torrent sites, file uploading/sharing sites, and sites that have downloads for music stealing programs. That's a gigantic hassle that you actually lose the privilege of using the internet since you download music illegally. What if you seriously need to use it for school or your job and now are forced to go to a library or someone else's house (yes, that's not torture, but it's still a hassle that you're unable to do it in the comfort of your own home)... seriously you're basically screwed if you can't pay a fine to get your internet back.
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Fuck em'.
Why should I buy something without knowing if I like it or not.
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Well,at least they won´t sue you and you won´t have to pay thousands of dollars for the songs you ripped :D
But I don´t really dll lots of music - that´s what friends are for :P
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Okay, that article talks a lot about people swapping music. So, does the RIAA mainly go after seeders and not leechers?
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What price you would be willing to pay for a song then, Moria? If a dollar is too much.
Nonetheless it will be interesting to see if this will work in practise at all. If it proves to be a success, kinda unlikely tho, then movie and gaming industries will no doubt follow the suit.
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The way to deal with this would be to punish the people who actually put up the torrent, sendspace/ megaupload etc. files not everyone else who dl's it. I mean thats like if someone stole video games from a store and then went out and put them in everyones mail boxes. Then they arrested the people who got the game in the mail for free.
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The way to deal with this would be to punish the people who actually put up the torrent, sendspace/ megaupload etc. files not everyone else who dl's it. I mean thats like if someone stole video games from a store and then went out and put them in everyones mail boxes. Then they arrested the people who got the game in the mail for free.
That analogy makes no sense.
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The way to deal with this would be to punish the people who actually put up the torrent, sendspace/ megaupload etc. files not everyone else who dl's it. I mean thats like if someone stole video games from a store and then went out and put them in everyones mail boxes. Then they arrested the people who got the game in the mail for free.
Doesn't make sense. Most of the time the host/seeder actually did buy the album, then they share it to everyone. It's not like you get sent an email that's giving you an album and you have no control over it. I wouldn't steal music if it wasn't so ridiculously overpriced. It's more like the person who bought the album has a bunch of video games and decides to give them away to everyone. Speaking of which, I still find it stupid that after you buy the music you can't share it with a friend or with other people. You should have control over the music now… you own it. It's a sad time when the government is limiting you on whether you can spread your taste in music with other people.
What price you would be willing to pay for a song then, Moria? If a dollar is too much.
25 cents - 50 cents. May seem a bit cheap… but consider
25-50 cents a song still rakes in a huge income for major music artists... not to mention they're allowing their music to be put on many different music stores. It adds up. I'm sure I'm not the only person on the earth who can't afford spending all that money on music (at a dollar a song).Also, the shitty 15-45 second previews we get off a song on some music stores are bullshit. What if we like those selected seconds then it turns into utter shit? Music stores have an extremely shitty way of selling their music. I've bought songs that turn to utter crap after the preview bit is finished.
Movies on fucking iTunes are 10-15 DOLLARS and 4 dollars a rent. Jesus christ. I can get a rented NEW movie for 1.50 at my local music store. And why does iTunes have a PREORDER option? Is there going to be a shortage or something? Ugghh. I don't even wanna get started on the devil known as iTunes. -
Yeah, it's much worse losing your internet connection then going to friggin prison. I mean what the hell? Is everybody living in their parents basement, seeing the light only once a week while surfing the web or how come that losing the internet connection is more scary then a prison cell?
From your description they both sound the same. :X
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Evidently you're a fucking stupid moron who just blows his money away without a care if you think a dollar a song isn't overpriced.
If there is something I can't afford I just don't buy it, I don't decide to steal it instead.
I'm sorry you have a hobby that can get very expensive very quickly but maybe you should bring it down to reasonable limits. That is what most people do. -
The thing that always makes me wonder about the whole "stealing" and "illegal music" debate is that music doesn't have something you can really compare it to in terms of the "common theft". Well– no, there is. I mean all of the things that are in the same category are all in a gray area. Well not really, but-- ugh, I'm having trouble explaining (or not trying to, really). Let me try hypocrisy: Say I see a shirt I like. I go home and draw the logo I saw on the shirt, sew together a shirt of the same color, Photoshop, print, and re-create that same shirt. Stealing? No, I made it using my own skills and materials. Ok, so let's say my friend owns said shirt instead. I borrow his shirt and take it to a store and have the shirt duplicated (somehow). Stealing? Maybe I paid for the duplication and maybe not, but I made a duplicate of the shirt...so I stole nothing, right? I guess what I am getting at is that paying for a CD, to me, is the process of paying for a 'hard copy' that was created using materials and labor – artwork, lyrics, plastic, paper, printing, cutting, delivering, etc -- to make, display, and sell rather than paying for the sounds that you hear on the CD itself. Or perhaps the sounds themselves are also part of that payment; the convenience of having said sounds located on your portable 'hard copy'. I understand why I pay to see a band in concert; I am paying to see them and experience the live show and energy, as well as be there for exclusive new songs, news, and merchandise. I understand why I pay to see a movie in the theaters; I am paying for access to a large screen display with surround sound audio, access to a new movie, access to (arguably) good seating, and access to (purchasable) beverages and condiments. But sound? I don't pay for the radio. If a friend buys a CD, I don't pay to listen to it with him. In fact, is it illegal for me to use a sound recorder and record an album while my friend listens to the purchased version? Is it illegal for me to take a picture of someone's painting, print it out, and then display it in my home?
In some cases, yes. In others, no. If the law says "no!", then "no" it is. I just wonder about certain duplication and redistribution methods and the potential harm or benefit from them, as well as the terms "stealing" and "illegal". I remember hearing once that having downloadable music (free or otherwise) has made album sales increase; if that is true, I would believe it. I, myself, had never purchased (or desired to purchase) any music prior to my high school years. I wasn't that interested in owning music in general. I would borrow something from a friend from time to time, but even now I find myself being fairly whimsical when it comes to whether I feel like listening to music or not. However, once I was able to download music, I began collecting a substantial library of music. From that I have introduced dozens and dozens of bands to my friends and family, which has led them to purchasing the albums themselves some of the time, as well as purchasing merchandise and seeing the bands in concert. Now, while this is justifying the situation, I could argue that hundreds of people would never have heard of X band and purchased X bands' merchandise had I not downloaded it and shared. I love music. When I really like a bad I do my best to support them, but the few albums I have paid for I was very disappointed with. Music just isn't the same anymore and a good song can be a dime a dozen; while I can (now) usually demo or preview songs, I would just as soon not listen to music at all as pay for all the albums I own. I don't know what I am saying. Is it illegal? Definitely. Is it stealing? I'm not so sure. I can see it being stealing, in some cases, but ultimately all I could be stealing is the "possible" sale, right? (Sound familiar? Hehe).
In any case, I know duplication isn't the right thing to do. I just always found it to be a curious case. Sorry for the lengthy post. Even I don't plan to read it through again. I bet I have a bunch of holes in there…
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they want to do the same stuff in france but it seems that european laws forbid to remove internet without a proper trial.
i recognize i download something like 5 movies and maybe 3 to 4 albums each month but that's only stuff i wouldn't buy anyway.
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I may not download music but I'm a pretty big movie downloader myself.
@brennen.exe:Say I see a shirt I like. I go home and draw the logo I saw on the shirt, sew together a shirt of the same color, Photoshop, print, and re-create that same shirt. Stealing? No, I made it using my own skills and materials. Ok, so let's say my friend owns said shirt instead. I borrow his shirt and take it to a store and have the shirt duplicated (somehow). Stealing?
I'm pretty sure that falls under the term "copyright infringement". The same thing with downloading music illegally.
I recall in generally album sales has been steadily decreasing since introduction of Napster. Although it would be cool if somebody could find hard statics about sales and stuff.
25 cents - 50 cents. May seem a bit cheap… but consider
25-50 cents a song still rakes in a huge income for major music artists... not to mention they're allowing their music to be put on many different music stores. It adds up. I'm sure I'm not the only person on the earth who can't afford spending all that money on music (at a dollar a song).That could be a smart price range. Potentially more people buying songs would compensate lower income per a downloaded song. Besides most major artists probably earns more than a decent living by just doing gigs and tours. Dunno how this would effect smaller/up-and-coming artists tho. How big % goes to artists themselves from these digital sales anyway?
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I'm pretty sure that falls under the term "copyright infringement". The same thing with downloading music illegally.
It does. Stealing was what I was referring to though, which due to its loose usage could very well cover copyright infringement.
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I guess what I am getting at is that paying for a CD, to me, is the process of paying for a 'hard copy' that was created using materials and labor – artwork, lyrics, plastic, paper, printing, cutting, delivering, etc -- to make, display, and sell rather than paying for the sounds that you hear on the CD itself.
…and that's why I will always find the idea of paying for an MP3 utterly retarded.
I mean, I buy CDs when it's something that I actually listen to. I own every one of TMR's CDs that's been released in America. I bought CDs from Momoi Haruko and Ishida Youko to have them autographed.
But in those cases, I'm actually getting something physical that I can actually look at and enjoy outside of a proprietary format for the iPod or whatever bullshit they're doing with that.
...but then again, it's not like I have anything to worry about here. As I've said before, the RIAA can't do a damned thing to me.
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Ahaha, what a joke. If ISPs seriously dropped everyone that downloaded free music, they would all end up going under in time. If they started charging extra, then they'd likely just wind up with a lot of unpaid bills. This is just a silly idea, if they actually go forward with it.. well, I doubt it will fix anything.
 
