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Where would the ship be? A guy who is able to transform into a ship?
Or do you mean he wants to get Tom the legendary shipwright?
Well, my theory a while back was that San Juan Wolf was a guy who could transform into a ship (Franky style, not DF stuff). Heck, maybe even the Oro Jackson was tossed into storage in level 6. There are plenty of ways that Oda could include a ship.
Nice one, you just gave me a thought…
What is Blackbeard missing? A ship.
I feel ignored.
I believe the Oro jackson will be seen at the end of One piece. It would be interesting for Franky to see the ship which was built by his mentor. Maybe that treasure will be in it? Who knows…. Who knows...
Well, my theory a while back was that San Juan Wolf was a guy who could transform into a ship (Franky style, not DF stuff). Heck, maybe even the Oro Jackson was tossed into storage in level 6. There are plenty of ways that Oda could include a ship.
That would be awesome. But for him wouldn't it be boring to be a ship most of the time? 
I feel ignored.
I read your posts.
Where would the ship be? A guy who is able to transform into a ship?
Or do you mean he wants to get Tom the legendary shipwright?
Well, San Juan Wolf is nicknamed "Colossal Battleship" isn't he? 
The way I see it is Oda is trying to create the rivalry between Luffy and Blackbeard. Since I fully expect BB to be Luffy's last obstable, I think Oda wants to generate a rivalry between the two to make their final encounter all the more epic.
I expect a bit more banter here, but no real fight. However, it'll make Luffy well aware of who BB and will forever make him a rival of Luffy for him to hunt down.
I'm more curious as to why BB is down there though
Well, San Juan Wolf is nicknamed "Colossal Battleship" isn't he?
Ewww as i said what a life….. sailing sailing just sailing. The only interesting moments will be the ship battles?
The guy's probably called a battleship because he's a big guy and was heavily armed.
And no I don't think Tom will be popping up. I can't imagine him still being alive since he was sentenced for execution unless there was a mighty bad paperwork snarl up somewhere along the line.
Well, my theory a while back was that San Juan Wolf was a guy who could transform into a ship (Franky style, not DF stuff). Heck, maybe even the Oro Jackson was tossed into storage in level 6. There are plenty of ways that Oda could include a ship.
I feel ignored.
Get rid of the Banchi logo and we'll talk XD
( I just didn't know what to add )
I believe the Oro jackson will be seen at the end of One piece. It would be interesting for Franky to see the ship which was built by his mentor. Maybe that treasure will be in it? Who knows…. Who knows...
I doubt the treasure will be in it as he claimed two thirds of the worlds gold, which I doubt could fit in any ship, excluding thriller bark, in fact I doubt even somewhere like Banaro Island could hold it all. Especially after seeing the city of gold.
Plus I doubt they would have left their ship alone as it would have been like merry, Nakama. Perhaps it is still being hidden by a crew member or perhaps it was the ship Roger sailed in when handing himself over. Which might mean the Government have taken custody of it? If that's the case then Impel Down is one a the few locations I suspect it would be stored?
I believe the Oro jackson will be seen at the end of One piece. It would be interesting for Franky to see the ship which was built by his mentor. Maybe that treasure will be in it? Who knows…. Who knows...
That would be awesome. But for him wouldn't it be boring to be a ship most of the time?
Well, I have an image in my head of him being a transformer. So in ship form he'd still be able to fire weapons and such, and then he could switch to human form when they reach land. It is fairly rediculous sounding, but that doesn't really mean anything in the OP-verse.
BB definitely needs a world-class ship in order to be a threat to become PK. Besides tracking down one of the ancient weapons, I don't see any other way for him to acquire such an awesome ship (maybe an ancient weapon is in ID, but I doubt it or the WG would have used it). The only reason I named Oro Jackson is because it's one of the only world class ships that we've heard named.
I read your posts.
Thanks :wub: (I wasn't referring to you, though)
Get rid of the Banchi logo and we'll talk XD
( I just didn't know what to add )
NEVER! Banchi wouldn't turn his back on me. I do agree with the rest of your post, though.
Why would Roger give the marines such a great ship? And who said that the treasure i mean has to be gold? 
As Crossword said a battleship is huge and has huge cannons. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy has a DF which helps him to transform every part of him or himself into deadly weapons.
Wouldn't it be far easier and practical to just destroy it though? Why would they put it in storage?
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Wouldn't it be far easier and practical to just destroy it though? Why would they put it in storage?
You could say that of everyone and everything in Level 6.
Why would Roger give the marines such a great ship? And who said that the treasure i mean has to be gold?
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Ahh, talking in riddles you are. Well do you honestly expect Roger to just turn up n some tug boat? I would expect him to say goodbye to his ship last, but maybe you are right.
Wouldn't it be far easier and practical to just destroy it though? Why would they put it in storage?
Why destroy it though, despite its former owner I think they would keep it as a souvenir or just out of respect. At least that's what Garp would do, as it was him that chased Roger, so I would expect some respect from the old dog, don't you?
Here's a thought about Colossal Battleship San Juan Wolf. Consider the possibility that he's a giant. That seems like a pretty reasonable guess to me. Now, there's no way a giant could ever join a normal pirate crew. I mean they're way too big, a giant wouldn't even fit on the ship…. unless he IS the ship.
EDIT: He'd be the perfect final opponent for Franky. He'd even give Franky an excuse to use the Thousand Sunny in some way to win.
Hannybal's touching speech? Haven't you all heard them before in variation from good guys? It's all the same…....... Seriously you guys, which side you are on? If this manga protagonist is Hannybal, then by all means, everything he does is touching. But sadly, he is NOT the LEAD character in One Piece. AMC is not what I created but it's a fact that no one wants to admit. Even for a storyline sake that Hannybal's speech about so much good comes out of ID. Are you all forgetting about the 3 headed judge that scream guilty without a proper trial? How the World Government and the marine flatten Ohara. How many of their marines ranks are CORRUPTED and are friends with pirates? How some of the shichibukai's have almost free reins to do anything they want? Have you all forgotten? I believe Hannybal is also selfish too by thinking everyone that comes into ID is EVIL and it is his MORAL OBLIGATION to keep this EVIL people under lock and chains. But how many of them are REALLY that EVIL and POWERFUL? Magellan took out a whole floor just like that. So, not ALL of them are as bad as Hannybal makes it sound. Yes, they are bad, but I doubt they are not at the level of Crocodile who planned to blow up 1mil ++ people....
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Hannybal's touching speech? Haven't you all heard them before in variation from good guys?
Which is why hearing it from Hannyabal a supposedly bad guy is cool.
It's all the same…....... Seriously you guys, which side you are on?
Because this is about picking and choosing sides, and not about what people find interesting about a character.
If this manga protagonist is Hannybal, then by all means, everything he does is touching.
Genzo had a touching scene way back when he told Luffy to make sure Nami kept smiling. GENZO FOR CREWMATE.
But sadly, he is NOT the LEAD character in One Piece.
Yes, it's upsetting for all of us.
AMC is not what I created but it's a fact that no one wants to admit.
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Even for a storyline sake that Hannybal's speech about so much good comes out of ID. Are you all forgetting about the 3 headed judge that scream guilty without a proper trial?
The jury are criminals that just want to bring those brought to trial down with them.
How many of their marines ranks are CORRUPTED and are friends with pirates?
Look at how many AREN'T. Like Hannyabal.
How some of the shichibukai's have almost free reins to do anything they want? Have you all forgotten?
Yes, I did forget when the Warlords became Impel Down officers and Marines and not the godawful nasty PIRATES that Hannyabal's talking about.
I believe Hannybal is also selfish too by thinking everyone that comes into ID is EVIL and it is his MORAL OBLIGATION to keep this EVIL people under lock and chains. But how many of them are REALLY that EVIL and POWERFUL?
A shitload.
Magellan took out a whole floor just like that. So, not ALL of them are as bad as Hannybal makes it sound.
It's already been proven through Luffy's (though brief) fight with him that Hannyabal's strong. But you think some normal person could face them? WHAT are they going to prison for if not for harming others?
Yes, they are bad, but I doubt they are not at the level of Crocodile who planned to blow up 1mil ++ people….
So you should forgive those that kill only one person? What? Logic, where …
Kljs I think most of us admire his speach because he truely wants to help and save people. He probably doesn't realize at all how corrupt the WG and its trials are. So as far as he knows most of those goons should be there, and he feels responsible for keeping them in hell.
Yes Luffy is our main character, but he is a villian and from time to time he does take down the really honest to goodness people. Hannybal doesn't know Luffy, but if one didn't know him personaly, you would probably think he was evil due to the news papers. Hannybal just portraid something that we could all admire, kind of like Usopp vs almost any of his oppenents. They both believe in their cuase, weather its truely wrong or write it doesn't matter, cause they believe its for the greater good.
Now that Shiryuu was becoming one of my favourite characters he doesn’t get to show off in this chapter at all. I wanted to see what he can do, but I’m confident he will have his time in the future, Oda wouldn’t introduce him for nothing.
Wait a minute, why is the title page story #12? Wasn't the CP9 story #10? Where's #11?
Am I the only one who noticed that the one who's chasing Sanji in the chapter cover looks like Iva-san?
Also, epic chapter is epic.
Seeing a heroic "villain" for once was surprising and a nice change of pace. ODa-sensei overdid it a bit with all the LUFFY VS. THIS GUY poses, but I guess it was necessary at the end, since Blackbeard and Luffy coming face to face again is a pretty massive deal in the greater scheme of things.
FTR, I was listening to "Delcaration of War" by Hadouken! and the song fit the mood of this arc perfectly!
Anyone found the transition between page 13 to 14 kinda…. weird... The pacing is silly.
Loved the chapter. The cover story was funny, i like ivan's picture on the left wall, ha. Ivan changing into a woman to fight Sadi-chan was great. Hannybal's speech was a bit much to me only because he's been such a comic relief, but anyone who can stand a few 2nd gear blows from Luffy has my respect. With Blackbeard and Luffy meeting again and Luffy piecing together the events leading to this moment, so much is building, i just hope it's not a house of cards.
this may very well be the thread of which i can claim sanctuary from the onslought which seems to be taking place
im afraid to look inside a thread in fear it will be bashing me
Well its time for a prediction again
I predict BB will recruit Croc and mr 1 will follow him as they head down to level 6
i still think bb is on the recruit and has shyuuri waiting at top for him
I belive as mag will arrive and luffy and jmbei will fight together against him
Maybe this time we'll see a bit of haki from luffy
and should do from jembei
Afterwards BB will come back to take luffy back with him to MHQ (as the only way to explain what he was doing in ID in the first place)
Luffy would be defeated and so will mag (bb would knock him out as mag argues or shyrruui would as payback knowing he's escaped)
while uncontious iva jembei and everyone else escape to head to MHQ
well thats the short term prediction
for the long term look into the spoiler thread
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or he could see luffy as a threat
this may very well be the thread of which i can claim sanctuary from the onslought which seems to be taking place
im afraid to look inside a thread in fear it will be bashing meWell its time for a prediction again
I predict BB will recruit Croc and mr 1 will follow him as they head down to level 6
i still think bb is on the recruit and has shyuuri waiting at top for himI belive as mag will arrive and luffy and jmbei will fight together against him
Maybe this time we'll see a bit of haki from luffyand should do from jembei
Afterwards BB will come back to take luffy back with him to MHQ (as the only way to explain what he was doing in ID in the first place)
Luffy would be defeated and so will mag (bb would knock him out as mag argues or shyrruui would as payback knowing he's escaped)while uncontious iva jembei and everyone else escape to head to MHQ
well thats the short term prediction
for the long term look into the spoiler thread
This post reminded me of one problem I've been having as of late.
Why are people assuming Blackbeard is afraid of the World Government? Yes, you can rationalize all the ways they could hurt him, but who says that they'll actually get the chance?
And I'll just leave it at that.
since someone responded to him, and thus, I can read it (STOP THAT) I must tell you, Neolithic
don't worry
we bash you in here too
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
My prediction is this:
-Blackbeard will say that he isn´t here for Luffy because he promised to Ace not touching Luffy while Ace is alive.
I understand he thinks every pirate is bad, but in One Piece, pirate is a title not so much a lifestyle.
Pirate is definitely a lifestyle of not following anyone else's rules.
Luffy only shouts about the pirate's way of life every other chapter, dude.
And the strawhats, so far, are the only pure hearted pirates in the series, so it's easy to see them as criminals. And I mean, they do dismember or critically injure hundreds to thousands of innocent Navy officers just doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
My prediction is this:
-Blackbeard will say that he isn´t here for Luffy because he promised to Ace not touching Luffy while Ace is alive.
When did he make that promise? Why would he make that promise? Even if he did make this promise that'd pretty much seal Ace's death in stone unless you think BB and Luffy will go the whole manga with never fighting lol.
I wonder if Blackbeard is throwing away his Shichibukai title now. Whitebeard's attack is definately going to be a turning point leading to the new era… Blackbeard has sat comfortably behind the WG after defeating Ace, and now he is seeing this opportunity to progress back to the New World and find One Piece. He may keep his title so hide himself further but there's commitment involved (meetings and stuff). That is one of the reasons I think Whitebeard will die, because every other pirate coming up, and especially the other three Yonkou, are in with a great chance of reaching the top.
Blackbeard has gone to Impel Down to meet Luffy. Not sure why this is, but I think that he was impressed with Luffy's spirit and wants to see more from him. Maybe he sees him as a future threat and plans to take him out. Blackbeard is a lot cleverer than he looks.
Exactly, which means that Luffy's Jet Gatling now should be even stronger then back then considering the growth in strenght. And yet, Hannyabal still didn't get knocked out.
Furthermore, we're talking about the guy who took out two Shichibukai and defeated the CP9s strongest fighter of all time. Just because Luffy is a rookie he isn't a nobody.
What growth in strength?! Luffy hasn't recieved a significant power boost since then, other than the mysterious "implied level ups" I see people think of in this series…
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Celine Dion post in the MK thread. I wish I could neg you.
What growth in strength?! Luffy hasn't recieved a significant power boost since then, other than the mysterious "implied level ups" I see people think of in this series…
The crew grows in strength with every island they pass. Zoro refers to this in EL "as we've gone through each island, all of us have been slowly getting stronger, even if we don't realize it." So it does have a basis rooted in the manga. Just because he hasn't developed gear 4 for a significant power boost doesn't mean he hasn't gained at least some measure of strength from his fights. Even in real life his punches would be getting stronger.
I'm referring to a significant boost, though. They all got significant boosts DURING Enies Lobby, but they've been around the same level, give-or-take, since then.
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Celine Dion post in the MK thread. I wish I could neg you.
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Pirate is definitely a lifestyle of not following anyone else's rules.
Luffy only shouts about the pirate's way of life every other chapter, dude.
And the strawhats, so far, are the only pure hearted pirates in the series, so it's easy to see them as criminals. And I mean, they do dismember or critically injure hundreds to thousands of innocent Navy officers just doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Yea, i used the wrong words to describe that, i was thinking in different terms but it didn't come out right. Luffy is the master of freedom. The navy innnocents thing makes me think of the Clerk's Star Wars innocents dying on the Death Star Question. Those navy dudes know what their getting into(sometimes), but yea, the strawhats do whoop some navy ass.
I'm referring to a significant boost, though. They all got significant boosts DURING Enies Lobby, but they've been around the same level, give-or-take, since then.
That's all fine and good. But the post that you quoted wasn't referring to a significant boost, just growth in general. You're changing his argument.
Not really. He was referring to an implied difference between Hannyabal and Lucci. I'm just saying that the increase in power Luffy would've gotten wouldn'tve made a big enough difference to compare Hannyabal's Jet Gatling to Lucci's.
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Wait a minute, why is the title page story #12? Wasn't the CP9 story #10? Where's #11?
good that you remember ,so i don`t have to
Not really. He was referring to an implied difference between Hannyabal and Lucci. I'm just saying that the increase in power Luffy would've gotten wouldn'tve made a big enough difference to compare Hannyabal's Jet Gatling to Lucci's.
Well, if you don't believe the level of basic strength Luffy gains over 3 islands is worth much (TB, SA, and AL), I'm a bit at a loss for how to argue this. I guess my best example would be that Usopp couldn't even lift Dalton off the ground in Drum. 3 islands later he was capable of picking up and carrying Robin at a full sprint. 3 islands after that he was sprinting while carrying Zoro. I know that neither character is as heavy as Dalton, but he's not so much heavier that it would cause quite that much of a difference.
If you want to think about it another way, Lucci took Luffy's FIRST EVER Jet Gatling. It should be reasonable to assume that he's improved the technique by a level since his first ever attempt at doing it. This is a different argument than the strength argument, but should apply to your focus.
Wait a minute, why is the title page story #12? Wasn't the CP9 story #10? Where's #11?
"Where are they now?" is probably the eleventh.
Well, if you don't believe the level of basic strength Luffy gains over 3 islands is worth much (TB, SA, and AL), I'm a bit at a loss for how to argue this. I guess my best example would be that Usopp couldn't even lift Dalton off the ground in Drum. 3 islands later he was capable of picking up and carrying Robin at a full sprint. 3 islands after that he was sprinting while carrying Zoro. I know that neither character is as heavy as Dalton, but he's not so much heavier that it would cause quite that much of a difference.
What makes you think Usopp couldn't have always carried and/or sprinted with someone like Robin or Zoro. That was a terrible example imo because the difference in weight is the main point in that example. Anyway I disagree with what you're saying if it's growth from a couple islands equals a significant boost in strength. With that talk Luffy gained something from fighting Duval's patsies and the marines he easily thrashed on SA but maybe you attribute any and all of his strength gain to his loss to Kizaru or defeating that one pacifista.
I just don't see that. It's either Hannybal is stronger than Lucci or not.
Hannybal's tough for taking multiple Gear 2nd hits but he's nowhere near Lucci's level for the sheer fact that Lucci actually fought evenly with Luffy. Lucci actually had a chance of defeating Luffy. Hannybal was basically a punching bag for Luffy that didn't want to stay down.
Just to add to this jet gatling discussion, I think something to keep in mind is that Lucci was basically dead in the water when he was hit with the jet gatling. It's not like he was at full strength. He had already taken the full damage from the gigant pistol, and had been fighting Luffy for a while.
Taking all bets got 100 say luffy whips black beards ass.
^^ yeah later in the story..but when you mean at ID than i bet 100 against you
The cover story was funny, i like ivan's picture on the left wall, ha. Ivan changing into a woman to fight Sadi-chan was great.
Hey hey hey, wait a minute !!! I just came to a big realization, what do I say, one huge revelation !!! We are all thinking that Sanji will train his legs like crazy by running all the time on that island… but if instead... he learned to "disguise" in woman ? 
So he would be able to fight them in future, that would be his biggest improvement ! And allow Oda to still make fun of him ! Oh yes, that would be awesome
Hey hey hey, wait a minute !!! I just came to a big realization, what do I say, one huge revelation !!! We are all thinking that Sanji will train his legs like crazy by running all the time on that island… but if instead... he learned to "disguise" in woman ?
not a bad idea, but because he run from okamas, he now can hit woman?:blink:
also NAHHHH i don`t want sanji to hit woman..leave him by being gentle and kick rude guys ass…
What growth in strength?! Luffy hasn't recieved a significant power boost since then, other than the mysterious "implied level ups" I see people think of in this series…
Growth of strenght is just power boosts. Your regular attacks become stronger the more you practice them especially if it happens under real fighting conditions. That's what I meant.
Remember kids, Hannibal is stronger than Lucci.
Remember kids, Hannibal is stronger than Lucci.
Of course he is. Lucci was all the way back in Enies Lobby. It'd be stupid for a character that comes later in the series to not be as strong as one already introduced. Even if that past guy is at the top of the Government's strongest force.
