Well since i am reading the forums and stuff and i am really interested in whitebeards abilities i thought why not start a new thread and see what ideas you people could come up with.
For example do you think he's just a strong guy with haki ability or that he posseses some kind of devil fruit ability?
And i really find it weird because in the anima 53 "the weather helped Luffy" do you think that Dragon could posses some kind of weather DF so he can control it and use it to kill ppl?
Discuss!
Well since i am reading the forums and stuff and i am really interested in whitebeards abilities i thought why not start a new thread and see what ideas you people could come up with.
For example do you think he's just a strong guy with haki ability or that he posseses some kind of devil fruit ability?
No, he's a weakling. He might just be able to hold Nami off for a minute or two.
No, he's a weakling. He might just be able to hold Nami off for a minute or two.
Well thats not a fair compairison, i mean happiness punch took down Luffy,sanji,zoro,chopper,a king, igaram, a camel, ussop and made Vivi blush in a second. To say whitebeard could stand against such a force for 120x longer than that. Idk if even he's THAT strong.
True, my mistake for overestimating Whitebeard. Maybe he could hold his own against Jango? mr.11?
@Yonkou#3:
Well thats not a fair compairison, i mean happiness punch took down Luffy,sanji,zoro,chopper,a king, igaram, a camel, ussop and made Vivi blush in a second. To say whitebeard could stand against such a force for 120x longer than that. Idk if even he's THAT strong.
Yea I think it's safe to say WB would be better off put on the level of a Veggie pirate at the most.
Only biased fanboys say hes stronger than the east blue villians, tch.
Wtf are you talking about? Whitebeard could take all of east blue by himself. XD Your underestimating nami my friends. If you don't believe me then consider, Ace, Whitebeards 2nd strongest man taking orders from Nami and leaving his own flesh and blood in her care? EXACTLY.
There! Caught a fanboy! does it bite?!
P.s why do you assume Ace is his second strongest man?
There! Caught a fanboy! does it bite?!
P.s why do you assume Ace is his second strongest man?
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Whitebeard has 16 divisions.
One would HAVE to assume
1)Himself
2)Marco (1st division cap)
3)ACE (2nd division cap)
Check mate.
Unless WB has a main crew with his own 1st mate but that's unlikely unless that guy is still hiding in the shadows…......
exactly. stands next to zik we win xylo
@Yonkou#3:
Omg! Flails around
Whitebeard has 16 divisions.
One would HAVE to assume1)Himself
2)Marco (1st division cap)
3)ACE (2nd division cap)Check mate.
Not really. The Division number doesn't have to go by strength. Normally it's just random. Look at Bleach/Cipher Pol. The only thing that HAS to be believed is that the division commander is the strongest/best fighter in his division.
Also I'm sure that Whitebeard has his own personal division. If not, one of the 16 divison must be with him at all times to man the Moby Dick.
Not really. The Division number doesn't have to go by strength. Normally it's just random. Look at Bleach/Cipher Pol. The only thing that HAS to be believed is that the division commander is the strongest/best fighter in his division.
Also I'm sure that Whitebeard has his own personal division. If not, one of the 16 divison must be with him at all times to man the Moby Dick.
I said Whitbeard has his own division in my post. See how i put him, THEN marco, THEN ace?
Bleach doesnt matter. It is also not normal for divisions to be random. I dont recall the Cp9 members having #'s and the chiper poll does make sense. 1 os weakest, and the higher ranks are stronger. This is obvious based on how teh sea train went. Weakk marines in back, Cp5 jerry in middle, Then more marines and cp7 wanze near front, then cp9. There has been no hint that the people who tarvel on wb's ship itself are strong than ace because i mean really why give ace his own DIVISION if there are stronger pirates on his own ship? My theory that i belive oda laid out plainly is that the very best of his men are division leaders and then there are obviously other strong fighters as well. The fact shanks knocked out most of whitebeards crew from stepping foot on his ship already means that if each of teh 16 divisions has an equal number of pirates (100) that about 60 of the people on whitebards ship were fodder. Of the remaining 40 i doubt there are any stronger than ace, considering he has a logia.
@Yonkou#3:
Wtf are you talking about? Whitebeard could take all of east blue by himself.
In fact, luffy can take out all of east blue by himself also, and he is just a rookie.
@Yonkou#3:
Omg! Flails around
Whitebeard has 16 divisions.
One would HAVE to assume
16 division?this is the first time i heard about it, is it pure assumption or did I miss anything?
@Zik:
Unless WB has a main crew with his own 1st mate but that's unlikely unless that guy is still hiding in the shadows…......
We've seen 3 division leaders. You act like Whitebeards crew is well fleshed out plot-wise.
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
We've seen 3 division leaders. You act like Whitebeards crew is well fleshed out plot-wise.
Well 4 if you count Thatch. Besides I'm talking about a main crew specifically a first mate. Somebody like that would've been pushed forward in to some spot light when Rockstar went to WB's ship or when Shanks did. It's kinda clear that Marco is that person(1st mate).
You really think Oda would spring WB's main crew outta nowhere with no mention of them prior? I'm just saying….
Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that. Sorry try again Zik.
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
Bahahaha, swing and a miss Zik.
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Can we please apply a bit of common sense to the situation, Zik. I know you're capable of it.
I do not think she is capable of using common sense.
Xylo and Captain Cool…You guys arn't even putting into detail why Zik is wrong..at least put down your views on the matter...you guys are just saying "YOUR WRONG AND DUMB!" Troll like material..
I do not think she is capable of using common sense.
Yes, he is.
Xylo and Captain Cool…You guys arn't even putting into detail why Zik is wrong..at least put down your views on the matter.
Ok, here. there is absoulutally no evidence Marco is 1st mate other than bias fanboy/girlism. There is no evidence against, but thats like saying "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AGAINST GOL D ROGER BEING AN OKAMA". It's stupid to proclaim he is first mate because he leads 1st division.
There are some hints of him being the first mate, he's the man standing closest to Whitebeard and the most talkative one on Moby Dick. Shanks was interested in him, he orders people around(or at least he said that weaker people should stand back when Shanks arrived). He leads the 1st Division, which gotta mean something.
So there is more evidence of Marco being 1st mate than there is of Roger being an Okama…
The questions remains though if each of the top guys is a Division Commander or if Newgate has his own set of people directly under him that command no division.
Or let's put it differently. Imagine Whitebeard would be a Commodore that comands his own fleet. Then the division commanders would be like Captains, that have their own crews but all still be subordinates to Whitebeard. That said, we'd have a Captain Marco, Captain Ace, Captain Joz etc. But shouldn't Newgate actually have a strong crew among his own flagship. I mean, the Moby Dick was even labeled as a flagship so this fleet guess doesn't seem to be that much out of hand. Meaning that if you have different divisions, there's also the option that all of them have a bit autonomously. Which would mean, that if Whitebeard doesn't have his own section that is constantly with him, while the divisions are on the move, that man is practically alone. And I kinda doubt that. So it wouldn't surprise me if he has his own elite branch next to his 16 divisions.
^^^
Or maybe he's just with Marco all the time? Marco being the one who takes care of the daily jobs and carrying out WB's wishes. I'm kinda doubting a Zero division, unless WB gathered up his old top crew members from Roger's time to assist in this rescue attempt.
^ You just made me think of something. Shoudn't WB's first mate be atleast nearly as old as he is? Marco looks too young. Look how old Rayleigh is… Besides, what happened to the other oldies who shoulda bin in his crew? Most of the ppl we saw were youngsters. So what happened to his original crew? Perhaps they are in a division 0 with bigdaddy WB? And the 16 divisions could be like 0, 1, 2 ... 15 and not 1, 2, 3 ... 16
Ok, here. there is absoulutally no evidence Marco is 1st mate other than bias fanboy/girlism. There is no evidence against, but thats like saying "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AGAINST GOL D ROGER BEING AN OKAMA". It's stupid to proclaim he is first mate because he leads 1st division.
I don't really see where fanboyism factors in to your reasoning. I don't favor Marco or WB much. It's a simple case of he is or he is not.
Your basically saying there's still the possibility of a main WB crew or that his 1st mate has yet to show up in the manga. Oda introduces WB but keep his 1st mate in the dark?
Things will be revealed shortly. I mean common sense basically leans towards Marco having a high chance of being WB's 1st mate but I could be wrong. I never said he was for sure.
^ You just made me think of something. Shoudn't WB's first mate be atleast nearly as old as he is? Marco looks too young. Look how old Rayleigh is… Besides, what happened to the other oldies who shoulda bin in his crew? Most of the ppl we saw were youngsters. So what happened to his original crew? Perhaps they are in a division 0 with bigdaddy WB? And the 16 divisions could be like 0, 1, 2 ... 15 and not 1, 2, 3 ... 16
Ever think that maybe they died from old age?
In fact, luffy can take out all of east blue by himself also, and he is just a rookie.
16 division?this is the first time i heard about it, is it pure assumption or did I miss anything?
Its in the yellow data book. 16 division commanders each with 100 men under their command.
@Zik:
Your basically saying there's still the possibility of a main WB crew or that his 1st mate has yet to show up in the manga. Oda introduces WB but keep his 1st mate in the dark?
Why is this concept so insanely hard to grasp? because Gol d Rogers first mate was introduced instantly, right?
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
@Zik:
Well you kept dodging the question so you could attack my stance on it. I think it'd be pretty stale of Oda to do the same thing again.
Dodgeing what question? I am not attacking you or shit but I don't see why someone with your intelligence would stoop to such god awful excuses and arguements. Stale of Oda to do what? I don't understand this whole thing. Oda would have said or hinted at Marco being WB's firstmate if that were the case anyway.
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
Ever think that maybe they died from old age?
If Rayleigh and CROCUS (the damn ol' geezer is atleast 70-80; the oldest member of the Jolly Roger pirates perhaps) are still alive, idk why WB's original crew shouldn't me? I'd agree if you said they died fighting but you suggested old age, hence the reply
I hope whitebeard and dragon meet up.
I mean ace did cut off all ties with dragon and beleives that whitebeard would be a better father figure.
Dodgeing what question? I am not attacking you or shit but I don't see why someone with your intelligence would stoop to such god awful excuses and arguements. Stale of Oda to do what? I don't understand this whole thing. Oda would have said or hinted at Marco being WB's firstmate if that were the case anyway.
Calling me a fanboy for one but what I don't understand is what I am stooping down to or any excuses I'm bringing up that are below my intelligence level. I stated before it's either WB has a main crew or not. All you kept doing was saying that "It's stupid to proclaim he is first mate because he leads 1st division."
I said it's likely that Marco is basically WB's 1st mate. I didn't say he is for sure. So that the reasoning that he was WB's 2nd strongest nakama would make sense. You basically said we haven't seen the whole crew. Fine so I'm assuming this, it's just my opinion.
As for what would be stale, you basically showed the first example. Oda waiting to reveal Roger's(even though he's dead so meh) 1st mate until chap 5xx. I think it would be stale of Oda to do that again for WB in regards to his 1st mate. Yea we'll see all the other crew members soon but it doesn't mean I can't speculate until then.
I don't get what's so hard to understand. Why would Oda go to the extent to put Marco in every scene WB has been in? No other division captain has gotten that treatment(we've seen the other known dc, Jozu once).
Xylo. I don't know what is up with you or why you are aggroing so much on Zik. It's getting a little annoying imo. He is admitting that there is a definite possibility that he is wrong but in his opinion it is likliest that Marco is the first mate. And you still badger him about there being a possibility of a hidden first mate. Zik HAS ALREADY AGREED TO THAT! Give it a rest already. just agree to disagree or something. Unless you had some other point that you aren't getting across.
Xylo. I don't know what is up with you or why you are aggroing so much on Zik. It's getting a little annoying imo. He is admitting that there is a definite possibility that he is wrong but in his opinion it is likliest that Marco is the first mate. And you still badger him about there being a possibility of a hidden first mate. Zik HAS ALREADY AGREED TO THAT! Give it a rest already. just agree to disagree or something. Unless you had some other point that you aren't getting across.
It's called a debate. And just WTF do you mean by "hidden" firstmate? It's not like they're hiding him in a box or anything.
@Zik:
I said it's likely that Marco is basically WB's 1st mate. I didn't say he is for sure. So that the reasoning that he was WB's 2nd strongest nakama would make sense.
That is the most asinine statement ever. "I said [INSERT STATEMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVE HERE]. Therefore, [INSERT SAID STATEMENT] makes a lot of sense". Are you really that arogent?
Ace in charge of the 2nd division
Marco in charge of the 1st division
Ace the 2nd mate it's an educated guess to say that marco is the 1st mate but i would say it's highly likeily.
Calling me a fanboy for one but what I don't understand is what I am stooping down to or any excuses I'm bringing up that are below my intelligence level.
I've seen you do better.
I stated before it's either WB has a main crew or not.
Ok wtf of course he has a main crew?
All you kept doing was saying that "It's stupid to proclaim he is first mate because he leads 1st division."
I said that once.
You basically said we haven't seen the whole crew
Understatement of the century.
As for what would be stale, you basically showed the first example. Oda waiting to reveal Roger's(even though he's dead so meh) 1st mate until chap 5xx. I think it would be stale of Oda to do that again for WB in regards to his 1st mate. Yea we'll see all the other crew members soon but it doesn't mean I can't speculate until then.
Yeeeeaaaaaahhh…..nooooo.
I don't get what's so hard to understand. Why would Oda go to the extent to put Marco in every scene WB has been in? No other division captain has gotten that treatment(we've seen the other known dc, Jozu once).
No, Joz was shown both times too.
Ace in charge of the 2nd division
Marco in charge of the 1st divisionAce the 2nd mate it's an educated guess to say that marco is the 1st mate but i would say it's highly likeily.
So now you're saying Ace is the non-existent rank of "second mate".
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
Ace and marco would'nt be heads of their respective devisions if they were'nt powerful.
But they are not in wb crew he could have a crew that far surpass ace and marco but also he could just appoint his strongest crew members to be head of the 23 divisions.
All i'm saying marco and ace could be the two most powerful crew members of whitebeard.
But they are not in wb crew he could have a crew that far surpass ace and marco but also he could just appoint his strongest crew members to be head of the 23 divisions.
Concidered making sense?
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
As i said it's an educated guess that marco is the strogest crew mate.
Did'nt say it's right it just seems like the best guess i can come up with with the information we've been given about whitebeards crew which is'nt a lot.
That is the most asinine statement ever. "I said [INSERT STATEMENT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVE HERE]. Therefore, [INSERT SAID STATEMENT] makes a lot of sense". Are you really that arogent?
Wouldn't you guess the 1st mate is the 2nd strongest person on a pirate crew? could be someone else but that doesn't seem the case so far in OP. The right hand man is usually 2nd strongest.
I've seen you do better.
What exactly do you expect in this situation? Some grand speculation where WB's 1st mate is Redbeard?
Ok wtf of course he has a main crew?
I guess everything is not clear then. In what I'm saying with 1st division commander being the 1st mate would mean that the 16 division commanders are the main crew for WB. As time passes some come n go either through death or something else and Ace proved strong enough to be 2nd d.c.(Just to clear that up if you were gonna ask). This would be opposed to a main crew that have other positions, none being d.c.
I said that once.
You said that once but you've managed to say it in several other ways lol.
Yeeeeaaaaaahhh…..nooooo.
Redundant plot device is redundant.
No, Joz was shown both times too.
Where do you see Jozu in any panel?
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Regardless of this you got what I'm saying I can careless if you don't agree with it. I've pretty much explained what I was saying. It's either gonna be correct or not.
3 panel flashback doesn't count.
I overestimated you, Zik ¬_¬
SANJI >THIS FRANKY FAMILY SHIT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT
"Hidden" as in "Not shown". What exactly is the debate about Xylo? What is your point? I don't see what the hell zik is disagreeing with you about. All I see is you calling him stupid, arogant etc etc. Are you stirring this shit up to keep this "debate" as you call it going?
