In my honest opinion, I think that Sengoku is more than a mouthpiece for the government. To rise to his current rank, he would have had to been an admiral and so forth. That being the case, I pose this question:
Do you think Sengoku can fight and if so, what type of power/technique does he have?
Edit: We now have a poll!
He is the only one that pwngoat listens to and fights for. That and his awesome administration skills (he used to take incriminating pictures of his supperiors and blackmail them) is the only reason he was allowed to rise to the rank of Fleet Admiral.
He himself cannot fight or use any combat ability at all (save for his [blackmail] skill that he has refined to the point where he can use it in a fight to get away).
Sengoku is gonna kick all sorts of ass
buttcheeks
yeah actually sengokus goat is the ultimative Marine weapon. You must look at the scene in Marijoa. Everyone was scared of pwngoat. Sengoku can barely stands it's power. You're searching for ultimative weapons in OP? Open your eyes pwngoat is one of them (the strongest)
Edit: Seriously. Did you heard what Whitebeard said about him when he was talking with Shanks? Sengoku is a legend.
He knows the sea. You can expect that he is extremely powerfull. About hisx fighting techniques? Well the name might
be a clut. I mean some buddhism techniques etc…
im telling u now that he is fooookin powerfull and his strength lays in hand to hand martial arts, and just to stir it up a bit i reckon the elder stars are stronger and probably were the trainers for garp and sengoku, hell yeah
The one thing that backs up the fact that he can fight and makes me believe he is just as badass as any other admiral if not more is 20 years ago he was an admiral with an afro!!!!!!!!!! A fucking afro. Everybody knows in OP if you have an afro you have insta-pwn ability along with GOD haki and a host of other badass techniques you don't need to reveal.
The reason he does more of the talking and strategic stuff is because Oda is slowly showcasing his genius. I mean his nickname is "The Buddha" so that says enough for me.
When he is gonna fight you'll see the marines say something like:
"OMG Fleet Admiral Sengoku is about to fight!!"
"He really is, holy shit we better go hide…"
"Look he's serious...! He's brought his goat with him!!"
"Oh shit he's taking off his hat and revealing his almighty afro!!!"
Marines faint from uncontrollable bursting wave of haki that covers a 1,000 ft. radius
Sure he can fight, he was an Admiral 20 years ago.
As for my opinion regarding his actual abilities, I think the current Admirals are slightly above him in terms of strength for the simple reason that they are supposed to be the Marine's stronger fighters. Also, if we follow shônen logic, the next generation is always stronger than the previous one :p
Also, if we follow shônen logic, the next generation is always stronger than the previous one :p
Or they will eventually be.
For some reason i see his strenght beeing nothing more, but pure strenght and simple(but üpper awesome) fighting skills
The Greatest Snipper will be able to see a little bug with the bare eye one the moonTHEN WHY DO I USE GOGGLES!
Sure, he got cannon cannon no mi coat as weapon.
Well I think he should since he use to be an Admiral. Considering all admiral shown so far has been REALLY powerful, I am sure he is no exception. Its not like fleet-admiral is a separate divisions… its just a promotion. Therefore, he is AT LEAST as the strength of an admiral.
Another reference to his powers could be the indication of him by Whitebeard, when he was stating who still knew the sea from before. This could show how Sengoku sailed before and was able to survive during the times of White Beard and Rogers.
No, he's unable to fight directly but he wields the undefeatable power of pwngoat. You can be sure pwngoat will be eating up some WB pirates in the future.
the fact he's fleet-admiral probably doesnt mean much in terms of fighting, as he probably has to be really smart and tactical for that kinda job. the fact he was an admiral like the current 3 shows he likely was a pwnmaster of his own standing at some point, and then got promoted cause he's smart/ a genius. aokiji doesnt seem to be controlling any fleet, more like he's a one man army that can technically boss around all those underneath him, so sengoku must have been a one-man army and still probably is.
His technique though? he sits down and eats while pwngoat terrifies all his enemies, so maybe he got a bit rusty lately
guys, lets not forget that this is One Piece, except for Ice Berg and the guy with the elephant sword that ran CP9, every leader of anything in this manga is stronger or more badass than all of his subordinates.
you bet your arse he can fight!
it's gotta be something with the goat… like it turns into a giant government fist or sumthing
the goat obviously got a devil fruit. No way it would survive more than 20 years without turning into a decrepit bag of bones.
you get three bonus hits before he kills u i mean he's buddha afterall
pwngoat vs. Whitebeard will be the battle deciding the outcome of this war.
Well, you could argue that when Whitebeard considered him a legend, he could have been talking about his strategizing prowess.
he looks like Tao Pai Pai so of course hes gonna kick ass
@Shuhan1288:
Well, you could argue that when Whitebeard considered him a legend, he could have been talking about his strategizing prowess.
Possible though very unlikely imo, a few reasons why…
1. His nickname is "the Buddah" which obiously doesn't mean he's a God, but it arguably suggests he may wield "Godly" power or something. 2. Whitebeard talks highly off him and in the same sentence as Garp to boot, I doubt Whitebeard would do so if he was in actuality a weakling. 3. He's commeneted on the strength of others i.e. Boa and while that may not be anything conclusive it's usually the stronger indivduals who acknowledge others as strong. 4. Most importantly he has a goat, a bird hat, and a long ass beared. If that doesn't make you uber I don't know what does.
I can imagine him going to fight and taking off his shirt like Yama from Bleach and showing this scarred up body, then proceeding to say something like "I'm not as strong as I used to be" and then showing an insane level of strength which has people stunned.
You ask if Sengoku can fight? what a rediculous question…
he is the greatest fighter in all the universe!!
as his name indicates he is senile Goku who lost his memory due to an accident with a bunny and a hat, well, and then something else went seriously wrong when the cricket sung and he was scared to death… of course he was sent back in time by that instantly but we all know how timetravel works so it's needless to say more... well and now he is unaware of his former life but his fighting abilities remain unhidden... HE'S BADASS!!
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… ... ... ... ... ... ... ...it's the mucus that bites us! 
Buddah was a highly revered teacher who understood the ways of the world. This could translate into Sengoku gaining the title not only for supposed physical strength, but also for his ability to use his knowledge of the sea to plan Marine movement against piracy.
All in all, i'd have to go against the tide and say that he can't fight; at least, not on the same level as the Shichibukai or the stronger pirate captains. I have two decent reasons for this assuption, although i'm not sure if they match up to some of the reasons already given.
First, the navy, while a militaristic organization in nature, isn't all about strength. Captain Nezumi, that rat-fink who bargined with Arlong, was just a normal human, while Smoker, at that time of equal rank, is obviously much stronger; also in that area of the story was Commodore Purin-Purin, who's ship was easily sunk by Arlong's underlings despite his superior rank. Therefore, we can't assume that, just because Sengoku holds the highest position and at least two of the three admirals directly below him are insanely powerful, that he himself could kick their asses easily.
My other point is his attitude. He brushes aside underlying tasks when something big's on the way, and he gets annoyed at Garp when said vice-admiral acts care-free. This is the sort of attitude that seems to show up a bit in the weaker characters in One Piece, where they can't quite seem to handle the idiocy of the people around them and otherwise lose their cool. Spandam was shown the same way, being annoyed at his fellow CP9 members at times and bossing around his underlings elsewise, seemingly under the impression that his rank actually merited respect and complience. Nezumi also acted that way, at least when he was yelling about Luffy's bounty after having his ass handed to him. As opposed to the people confident in thier strength, Sengoku seems mostly anxious about these things, as if his power isnt enough.
The thing that worries me, though, is his nickname. Since Luffy was, in part, based off of Journey To The West's main character Sun Wukong, who was himself trapped under a mountain by the buddha long before the journey itself started, i can't help but feel that, at some point, Sengoku's gonna lock Luffy up by showing how he got to be called the buddha. Of course, it could also be that he was called that because of his nature, but seeing how he acts, i find that hard to imagine.
@Neo:
The thing that worries me, though, is his nickname. Since Luffy was, in part, based off of Journey To The West's main character Sun Wukong, who was himself trapped under a mountain by the buddha long before the journey itself started, i can't help but feel that, at some point, Sengoku's gonna lock Luffy up by showing how he got to be called the buddha.
Excellent info, could you tell us more about that, or point some nice links? =]
p.s. actually, he is called buddha because he sends the souls of the guys pwngoat decimates on their way to heaven!
pwngoat: blinks (6 shichibukais are dead before falling to the ground, mihwak and skanks barely live, heavily injured).
sengoku: ritualistic movements namuamidabutsu! namuamidabutsu! you know, master pwngoat, you really should work on restraining your power some more… All this blood and subatomic pieces of gore will take ages to clean...
pwngoat: mehhh~~ (200 soldiers fall)
p.p.s. just joking...
^Do you know that he was an admiral 20 years prior to his promotion to Fleet admiral? To me that means it is fact that he can fight on the level of an admiral or VA at the least.
Unless you wanna argue that the marines had an admiral who couldn't fight I don't see how anybody can think he can't.
Also Afro + pwngoat + "The Buddha" = Badass on the battlefield.
Of course he can fight! When the doflamingo and kuma were gathered in a meeting, you can sense the utmost respect towards the man, not even mentioning the respect given by whitebeard. Brains alone cant win a war in one piece, that much i can tell, with the exception of robin of couse.
Did you notice sngoku is as big as doflamingo? And that Doflamingo is really big as seen in the spoilers of chap 524? heres a pic showing the two
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/06/
Wikipedia, i guess? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Wukong) I'm not sure where to find a copy of the book on the internet, so this'll have to do. You could always look for a copy at your local library, though.
Yeah, it's the respect he commands that makes me unsure of myself, although some of that could be due to his position as head of the navy. Conversely, Nami, Ussop, and Chopper usually act frightened in certain scenerios, which would lend weight to their personal sense of weakness, regardless of how good they are with climate, accuracy, and medicine, respectively. This is opposed to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji, who tend to have a determined strength when things go bad. I suppose the others, too, but they haven't had as many grim, bloody showdowns as the three lead males. My point is his flimsy nature, as least as shown when dealing with his day-to-day matters, lends weight to the idea that he himself isn't all that powerful.
Admittedly, thinking an admiral might be weak after seeing the monster strength of Kizaru and Aokiji seems impossible, but we've yet to see how Akuinu handles things. As far as we know, he could be another semi-normal human, if not flat-out average in terms of physical power and battle ability. Besides, it could be that pirates were weaker back when Sengoku rose through the ranks, and thus strength wasn't as much of an issue.
We've only ever seen Sengoku in dealing with large-scale matters.
-getting a replacement for the newly open Shichibukai position
-an attack on a Celestial Dragon
-the Whitebeard Pirates
these aren't simple "day to day" ones as you've stated. Of course the guy is gonna be stressed out.
Plus as it's been stated multiple times; while there comes a point that strength will ultimately not be a major factor in gaining rank, one doesn't become an Admiral if he weren't absurdly powerful. Add to that, being one of the three characters Newgate showed respect for(the three being Roger, Garp and Sengoku himself) while still talking down to a fellow Emperor(Shanks) I don't think we have to worry about Sengoku being anywhere near some kind of pushover.
As for how he fights? However it ends up being, I'm personally hoping his goat turns out to be an inanimate object who ate a Goat-type Zoan Devil Fruit and it somehow ends up fitting into whatever fighting style Sengoku uses.
Considering he was an admiral before being fleet admiral, I'm pretty sure he is just as strong if not stronger than his subordinates , after all whitebeard didn't mention aokiji or kizaru but clearly sengoku , that's enough for me .
We haven't seen yet if Akainu is a fighter or a tactician so don't say all Admirals are fighters.
Kuzan, Borsalino and Sakazuki are all fighters.
Yes.
The old woman is the brains of the operation, not Sengoku.
Sengoku is commands all the marines and talks directly with the 5 elder stars. Why would he only be a tactician? He is strong. Just wait to see what will happen when he will be forced to attack. We have never seen him fighting cause everything that occurs till now wasn't really so important that he has to fight. The 3 admirals are insanely powerfull. They are the ultimative weapon of the marine. He has been an admiral and now he has been promoted. Well that says anything for me.
Nah the leader of the damn Maries cannot fight. sarcasim
His name or is it a title? Sengoku. Means Wartime. He must be some kind of crazy warmonger u wont want to mess with.
Not to mention pwngoat is the 5th character confirmed to possess haki ability. aside from rayleigh shank hancock and luffy.
Considering that Newgate spoke of him along with Garp and Roger in one breath it rather appears that he's one of the last uber mothersmurfers of old days. He's definitely a tough fighter.
Either he's a logia like the Admirals or he's got some insane physical strength and haki. I'm glad he isn't carrying a weapon as it increases the chances of him being a martial artist whom I find better than swordsmen.
Hell Yeah Bitch!!!!!!!!!╕╣║╗
OF COURSE HE CAN FIGHT!
Sengoku = Son Goku!!!!! This dude can fight.
Of course Sengoku can fight. This is one piece after all.
When Sengoku is about to fight it will be like this:
Sengoku: I will fight him myself
Sengoku unleash is Haki Power
Marine1: What does the scouter say about his haki Level
Marine2: IT'S OVER 9000!!!
And I love how someone believes that the Guy that controls the Admirals, Used to be an Admiral. And Someone who Whitebeard basicly called a beast is weak.
Sengoku Was An Admiral Before It Was Even Stated Before.when They Showed Him In The Past And Yes People Sengoku Can Fight.not Only Fight But Also Kick Ass
I never said that he couldn't fight. If you read my first post again, I said that I think he is more than a mouthpiece for WG. It's just that, maybe, he doesn't have to be a fighter and he could be a tactitian at heart.
Sure he can fight. He does a fusion dance with his goat to become Sen Goatu.
Sure he can fight. He does a fusion dance with his goat to become Sen Goatu.[/quote
and use the kamehamehaki blast to beat whitebeard
I have no doubt that he can fight, though as far as the story goes I can't imagine him actually doing any unless it's an ''all-or-nothing, Mariejois-is-burning-down-around-us, it's-the-end-of-the-world'' kind of situation, since the job of Fleet Admiral seems to be more of an administrative, paperwork type of job rather than the butt-kicking kind.
Hell yea Sengoku can fight.
Wonder where all the admirals from the time when Sengoku was admiral went? Maybe they got killed by pirates.
EDIT: Indeed he maybe a good tactician but then again this is the marines of OP we are talking about,so theres a high chance he's a top tier fighter.
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sengoku is definately a top level fighter.
I'm guessing that the bird on his head's just for show (like that CP9 dude's bird).
That goat, however… PWNGOAT. I'd bet my money that Pwngoat-sama has a devilfruit.
As for Sengoku himself, I'm guessing that he's a schizo. The Sengoku we've seen so far is the strategic-minded, weaker Sengoku. From his panicking expressions in the last few chapters, his current personality contradicts his nickname, "the Buddha". My theory is that his normal self is like pwngoat's normal self: weak-looking. When he has no choice but to fight directly, he will show his powered-up form (haki-melts-shirt-revealing-7-star-like-scars :D :D :D), and his pwngoat changes as well, and together they become the ultimate fighting power of the world government.
