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Usopp with a Pushpop

VS

It's swordsman versus ninja in an all out 1-on-1 free for all! First, let's get the lowdown on each of our combatants.

Zoro:
Pros- Zoro has one extra sword more than Leo. Zoro also has slightly more experience in the art of sword fighting.
Cons- Zoro's abilities and skills are greatly reduced when he is using only 1 or even just 2 swords. Zoro also tends to lose focus and become angry when the fight is not going in his favor.

Leo:
Pros- Leo is not a swordsman, he is a ninja. Therefore, he has supreme skills in the martial arts in addition to his skills with the sword. Leo can defend himself very well even when he is unarmed. Leo can stay focused even in the heat of a seemingly hopeless battle. Leo's shell also provides a natural armor for his back and chest.
Cons- Leo is not as skilled with sword wielding as Zoro. As long as Zoro has all 3 of his swords, Leo is at a disadvantage.

My predicted winner: Leonardo

Zoro simply relies too much on his swords to win his battles. Leo relies on his own abilites of his own mind and body. Also, being a ninja, Leo would be able to use stealth in addition to speed and endurance. The likelyhood of Leo being able to knock away one of Zoro's swords is very high. That's why Leo is the better fighter IMO.

((Sorry RoboBlue, but I just couldn't figure out how to make a decent fanfic out of this.))

Thedevil

i say zoro because he swore he would never lose another fight plus i like him more battle wise i dont think he would have trouble but i physique and stregth zoro is better

CosmicDebris

Someone asked this question at TVtome.

I'd have to give the win to Zoro. Simply because of his sheer will. He would not allow himself to lose against a green freak (even if his hair is freaky green). I think by the time you have gotten past the Alabasta arc in One Piece, you will agree. And I disagree that he relies on his swords. There is a scene later in the series where he learns an incredible skill that is not based on the integrity of his weapons at all. I've been a big fan of TMNT since I was a little kid too. I collected all the original B&W comics.

I believe Zoro would win. If you seen his fight agains Mr.1 and what he did in the Davy back fight thinking Leonardo would win just doesn't make sense. I doubt Leonardo could ever beat Mr. 1 also.

Zoro doesn't only rely on his swords, he still has incredibly body strength and can even do a move without the use of swords.

GoAnderson

Zoro didn't seem very perturbed when he was told he couldn't use his swords in the Davy Back Fight. That, and his kickass Mutoryu Tatsumaki, makes me think he can hold his own in a brawl. He has enough strength to lift a FRICKING HOUSE over his head, so one blow could potentially decide the match. He also seems to be able to think on his feet, and even if he can be a bit dense, he's most likely going to be able to pull out a win in a fistfight.

If we're talking swords… Yeah, Leo is pretty much screwed. Not only is Zoro capable of devastating close-range techniques with his three swords (Tatsumaki, for instance), as well as having the ___ Pound Cannon moves to strike from a distance. Even Thirty-Six Pounds were enough for Braham, and I'd imagine that Leo could be blown away just by that. Takanami has an even wider range and more power, seemingly, so that would be even more deadly. Hyaku-Hatchi is just downright insane -- he cut through a FRICKING WALL and still had more than enough power to down Ohm... Who, I'd guess, is more of a formidable fighter than Leo.

BUT!! I haven't seen enough of Ninja Turtles, so I'm forced to null. All I really have to go on is the old 80s/90s/whateveryear cartoon, and I don't remember a tenth of that.

Mafioso11

that would be a fun fight to watch. i'd say zoro though (i haven't watched ninja turtles in a looong time so i forgot how leo fights).

wolfwood

turtles all the way

i have no basis for this just that leonardo is way cooler zoro is totaly gay compared to him

Anime Master

Zoro's a fountain of gushing blood.
He'd win. Now who's up for some pizza in the Technodrome compliments of Vernon and Krang?

Originally posted by Anime Master@Jun 5 2005, 12:40 AM
Zoro's a fountain of gushing blood.
He'd win. Now who's up for some pizza in the Technodrome compliments of Vernon and Krang?
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And don't forget The Shredder! - I swear, Turtles was so beautiful, once… as for the vote, well. I think the whole concept is a little strange, and the choice is damn hard. I wouldn't want either of them to die, frankly.

Couldn't it just be a sparring match? - Pizza-Time? ~

CosmicDebris

I hope I don't have to go into my rant about the original TMNT versus the 80's cartoon that totally deviated from the original story and characters. I love the new series. It's what I always wished they'd do when I was a kid.

i have no basis for this just that leonardo is way cooler zoro is totaly gay compared to him

Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

Anyway.

Leonardo doesn't carry the same burden of the promises that Zoro made. Zoro vowed to be the greatest swordsman ever, and he vowed to Luffy that he would never lose another swordfight. He's also older and has more experience, as already pointed out. It's just not very logical to conclude that Leonardo could win. I'm sure it would be an awesome fight, though.

wolfwood

yeah i know it was a stupid statment :lol:

its just that i cant seriosly compare zoro with one of the turtles so i just went by coolness even thought the topic is about who would win in a fight and leo is way cooler as i said before.

Usopp with a Pushpop

I bet the poll status would be very different if I posted this on a Ninja Turtles forum!

A point there, but it depends on the community.

If it's mature, and they truly knew the devasting power of 108 Pound Cannon, they will join our side.

CosmicDebris

Of course…I guarrantee you Leonardo would win by a landslide. I don't know how much of Zoro the average Turtles fan would know, though. Just watching what 4Kids has gotten to so far doesn't count for much. And probably not too many people here know Leonardo that well either.

Only way to get worthwhile results would be to get a bunch of people who are both TMNT fans and One Piece fans, who know both stories and characters very well.

Usopp with a Pushpop

Well, I have been reading the manga that you supplied me with. I'm sure I'll see what you're talking about eventually.

CosmicDebris

You shall.

Did you ever read the old TMNT comics? The ones that Eastman and Laird actually drew and wrote?

Usopp with a Pushpop

I didn't even know that there was one! I love the Ninja Turtles from watching the old 80's cartoon and also the new one. You wouldn't believe how many TMNT action figures I have stored in my closet from when I was a kid!

CosmicDebris

Oh yeah, I still have a ton of action figures too. You didn't know about the original comic, eh? Yeah, the comic started in 1984. It was rather gritty and dark compared to the cartoon that came later. The new series follows it pretty closely, with some spice from the older cartoon thrown in. Except Shredder was always just a man, and he was killed in the very first issue, believe it or not.

You can actually read the first issue here, on the official website. The artwork in the beginning wasn't too great, it got a lot better later on.

Usopp with a Pushpop

Wow, you really have connections with dem comics and manga don't ya? :lol:

Sorry to cut this nice conversation, but we're getting a little off topic. Back to the VS!

Akira

I really don't know about this one…Hard choice. Zoro : He has the power to cut steel, and he's an expert in Santoryu style. Yet his attacks are more offensive and more "Trump" cardish, and not really any defencive attacks, plus a vast majority of the attacks are done from the ground, not in mid-air while jumping etc. Leonardo on the other hand is skilled at swords style, and is good at Defensive and Offensive attacks, from ground and air. Plus he can blend into the background since he was trained as a ninja. Special attacks...I really don't think he has any. If Zoro loses his cool, I'd think that Leonardo would win, since he would catch Zoro off-guard in all his rage.

But if It was an even battle...I'd have to go with Zoro, just due to the fact that he uses Despiration moves and pretty strong ones to boot. Plus, He does have the ability to cut steel.

CosmicDebris

I am queen of off-topicness. >D

You definately have to give Leo the points on stealth and agility. Zoro is strong, but not acrobatic like Leonardo. He can most likely move much faster than Zoro. I think Leonardo would have the upperhand in the beginning, but after a while, Zoro would figure out Leo's pattern and find a way to re-invent himself to counter his attacks.

Konis

As sad as I am to have to say this.. I'd give the win to Zoro, no matter how much I love TMNT.

Leo's an amazing combatant… but when compared to Zoro, he's "only human" as it were. Zoro is a monster in combat, almost single-mindedly so. He's fast, he's strong, and he's skilled. While Leo's training is very good, it wouldn't be fair to pit him against something like Zoro.. because Zoro simply doesn't stop. The turtles can actually be fatally wounded, one came very close to dying as a matter of fact... Zoro has been sliced open numerous times and survived it. Zoro is, to put it mildly, inhuman.

And did I mention I adore the turtles... ^_^ I had the comics when I was young... when they made that cartoon, I almost cried at how horribly dumbed down it was.

Pizza indeed. >_<

Raphael was always my favourite.. the emo-turtle. Don was second in my heart, though, for his sheer MacGyver-like traits. ^_^

Thedevil

Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jun 5 2005, 08:40 AM
**I am queen of off-topicness. >D

You definately have to give Leo the points on stealth and agility. Zoro is strong, but not acrobatic like Leonardo. He can most likely move much faster than Zoro. I think Leonardo would have the upperhand in the beginning, but after a while, Zoro would figure out Leo's pattern and find a way to re-invent himself to counter his attacks.
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yeah hell use the cannon if he doesnt

CosmicDebris

Originally posted by Konis@Jun 4 2005, 11:34 PM
And did I mention I adore the turtles… ^_^ I had the comics when I was young... when they made that cartoon, I almost cried at how horribly dumbed down it was.

^_^ I actually saw the cartoon first, so I didn't experience that type of shock. I became a big fan and collected all the black and white comics (I have original prints of all but the first issue), and realized what bastardized thing the cartoon was. In fact, I think the comic was quite a lot of influence in my drawing style and my overall love of black and white comics. I still enjoyed watching the cartoon, although it really doesn't hold up now. Maybe for nostalgia.

Raphael was always my favourite.. the emo-turtle. Don was second in my heart, though, for his sheer MacGyver-like traits. ^_^

I always liked Michelangelo. Just a kid at heart. Without the surfer talk. B)

whoops, off-topic again.

Thedevil

always liked Michelangelo. Just a kid at heart. Without the surfer talk.

nah hes the best with the surfer talk… radical duude

StrawHatLuffy

IS this poll approved?

Well, at least this Vs thread seems interesting, at least it's your typical VS thread. So I am leaving it here until an admin sees it and decides if the poll should remain…

EDIT: My bad. What's wrong with me today ^^;;

Thedevil

yes it is check the posting thread in the announcment i think

many years ago i loved the turtles more than everything else, but i have to say leonardo isnt one of the best sword fighters, zoro would win.

Green Hair

Zoro doesn't need his swords to kick Leonardo's ass.

i think i think…um...leo would win i guess!

Thedevil

if this thread was made in somewhere else then i think the rersult might have been different… but thats an OP forum thats why zoro got the votes.

Caracal

I'm not sure really. My knowledge of Leo is limited to the Turtle cartoons. However, I'm not sure if Leo would use his ninja abilities in battle. In the new cartoon he keeps mentioning the code of Bushido and honour. If he's bound by them, then I doubt he'd use ninja techniques should he fight Zoro, meaning Zoro has the upper hand due to his abilities.

Green Hair

Did someone say that Zoro is helpless without his swords?

I hope this prooves my point.

Thedevil

oooh good proof man you nailed them

@GreenHair
thats nothing compared to this pure strenght:

Usopp with a Pushpop

I'll find some screens of Leo to counter that, just give me a few days.

Thedevil

ok your telling me you havent seen zoro swing wieghts bigger then him. or do one handed upward pushop to somethin like 3000

Green Hair

Originally posted by Usopp with a Pushpop@Jun 5 2005, 10:24 PM
I'll find some screens of Leo to counter that, just give me a few days.
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Good luck.

Originally posted by GÃ¼nther@Jun 5 2005, 04:19 PM
@GreenHair
thats nothing compared to this pure strenght:

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Zoro can easily lift both those weights and Leonardo. We are talking about a guy who lifted up a freaking building.

wolfwood

haha chill guys i think it was just a joke and a hilarious joke at that

CosmicDebris

Yes it was a joke, lol. XD

ronozoro

i say zoro leo was my fav turtle way back when but still zoro because although i will admitt that at the beging to the series he was only good with three swords if you read further you will find out he is becoming better at 1, 2 and even 0 sword technics. he is stronger and has made two promises (one to kuina and the other to luffy) that would keep him from lossing to leo

Paulie

Aw, damn, I hoped you meant the painter. Because he would just open a can on Zoro.

fubukii

i never liked leo don was better

Originally posted by Green Hair@Jun 5 2005, 12:40 PM
Zoro doesn't need his swords to kick Leonardo's ass.
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Right, thats totaly not ture and you damn sure know it

Originally posted by Cap'n Big Nose+Jun 7 2005, 10:01 AM–>QUOTE(Cap'n Big Nose @ Jun 7 2005, 10:01 AM)