Why is Whitebeard called "strongest" when he's not?

[Massacre Man Killer]

This man is so overrated, think with me:

-he is as old as Roger
-hooked up to IV salines and other drips i.e. dwindling health
-people say Rayleigh's power is weaker than his peak at Roger's side, so it must be the same for Whitebeard, he's lost power
-spending 20 years and still failing, trying to accomplish what Roger did whilst ill in 4 years from Reverse Mt.

Man I'm sure Blackbeard/Aokiji/Kuma would own his crippled ass, the only reason it hasn't been called for is 1) the Marines would lose lots of forces vs fodders, 2) by gathering a lot of men other areas of security e.g. Shabondy will be lax and pirates will cause mayhem and 3) Shichibukai aren't loyal so will turn on each other for that position leaving a power vacuum in the world as well as decimating one of the 3 Great Power.

[Khamolen]

Another quality topic.

[Massacre Man Killer]

Argue the manga canon…if u can

[SantoryuMaster97]

Maybe they mean strongest physically i mean he may be hooked up to life support and stuff but hes like 10 ft tall and physically built and ripped like hell

[Zik]

Although most of what you say is truth, it can easily be countered by Oda that none of those things have made him weaker. His age, alleged sickness, and w/e else lame speculated claim to why he is not the strongest can all be thrown to the way side by he's still strong and none of it has effected his strength(hell he could even have a DF).

The reason he is called the strongest is because he tied in a fight with the pirate king(arguably labeled the strongest man after finding OP). The PK is dead. The man who tied with him in a fight is still alive and has yet to lose a fight since. He is the strongest man in the world.

There's something to be said about an old man who still has not been beaten. I'm sure if they could any of those ppl you named went to fight WB he would honor the match as one on one with no interference from his crew and pwn that ass.

BB knows how strong WB is and if it was easy to take him he would've snuck up on him and did it but he knows he can't. So he devised a plan so he wouldn't be fighting him one on one.

[Massacre Man Killer]

@Zik:

Although most of what you say is truth, it can easily be countered by Oda that none of those things have made him weaker. His age, alleged sickness, and w/e else lame speculated claim to why he is not the strongest can all be thrown to the way side by he's still strong and none of it has effected his strength(hell he could even have a DF).

The reason he is called the strongest is because he tied in a fight with the pirate king(arguably labeled the strongest man after finding OP). The PK is dead. The man who tied with him in a fight is still alive and has yet to lose a fight since. He is the strongest man in the world.

There's something to be said about an old man who still has not been beaten. I'm sure if they could any of those ppl you named went to fight WB he would honor the match as one on one with no interference from his crew and pwn that ass.

BB knows how strong WB is and if it was easy to take him he would've snuck up on him and did it but he knows he can't. So he devised a plan so he wouldn't be fighting him one on one.

It's a given Whitebeard will be beaten by my main man Blackbeard, so will he attack him from behind to finish him?

Blackbeard devised a plan to rise to the top via a specific path: hide on WB's Dick, get the Yami, collar a massive bounty, become Shichibukai and now it's onto the next phase - trash Whitebeard and kick his ass to the curb.

That title box that came up, it's nothing but the world's perception of him. He's living off his old name and nothing else. Blackbeard knows what Whitebeard is capable of, your own post infers that, so when Blackbeard made the statement "after getting Yami, I am the strongest in the world", it's proof that AT THE LEAST BB > WB.

[Silvers_Rayleigh]

@SantoryuMaster97:

Maybe they mean strongest physically i mean he may be hooked up to life support and stuff but hes like 10 ft tall and physically built and ripped like hell

An elbaf giant is probably stronger, Dory the Red or Brom the Blue(I think on names)

Also, shanks was able to block his sword and hold his own against him, even if it was a sword strike with Haki WB/Shanks seem equal with Haki and WB should have been able to easily overpower him…

[onemoment]

This was a thread that should have been ignored in the first place. But now's it's too late.

Whitebeard is the called the strongest because, despite his age no one has beat him yet. Despite his handicaps he keeps winning.

Not that he can't or won't be beaten, but this title suggests that in the past, Whitebeard did many thing that earned him this title. At the very least, it isn't a fluke or "world mistaken perception." The level of misinformation needed to make that incorrect assumption happen is staggering.

And no, it can't mean "physically strongest." In the One Piece world it's already implied that physical strength alone can't make you the strongest pirate in the world, so there's no way just being the physically stronger could make you a match for Gold Roger.

[Robby]

The NARRATION box said it was so, not a random character saying what they believed. Thus, it is fact. DESPITE his age, IV hookups, and former rival, he is still currently, the world's strongest man.

And so feared that the goverment wants every shichibukai and admiral they have to face him and his forces.

But besides that, world's strongest man can ALSO apply to the fact he has an entire armada of very strong guys under his command. Same way President of the United States has the title "Most Pwoerful Man in the world", when really, I don't think president Bush would win in a fist fight with anybody.

So, pure physical (and haki) strength he is probably still the strongest DESPITE his ailments(which makes him all the more impressive if you ask me) and also, because he commands the most powerful personal force. these things combined make him the world's strongest man.

[Hinscher]

Oda said he is the strongest thus he is, until said otherwise or beaten. And all your points can seem valid in normal real life. But you have to remember that Oda said Shanks didn't loose any power/strength when he lost his arm. if that's true, then why can't Whitebeard not loose any strength.

[Captain Shmeckie]

@onemoment:

Whitebeard is the called the strongest because, despite his age no one has beat him yet. Despite his handicaps he keeps winning.

It's amazing that you seem to know this…

Not that he can't or won't be beaten, but this title suggests that in the past, Whitebeard did many thing that earned him this title. At the very least, it isn't a fluke or "world mistaken perception." The level of misinformation needed to make that incorrect assumption happen is staggering.

Agreed here, but only somewhat. Honestly, it's most likely that Whitebeard got that title in his prime, but now he's most likely been outclassed by guys like Mihawk and Kuma. Shanks met him head on, so should WB's title change to "One of the Strongest Men in the World"?

And no, it can't mean "physically strongest." In the One Piece world it's already implied that physical strength alone can't make you the strongest pirate in the world, so there's no way just being the physically stronger could make you a match for Gold Roger.

It can't mean physically strongest?! It doesn't even cross your mind that the title comes from his physical strength, and that he'd have a reputation to go along with it?!

Either he's physically the strongest, or his title is bupkis.

Also, the thread starter's final bullet point is hilarious and true.

[Admiral Wolfpox]

You're gonna find out why they called Whitebeard the strongest when he rapes the world government out of revenge for Ace. Believe dat.

[kabok]

How can you say hes not the strongest man when you've never seen him in action ?

Except that discussion with Shanks …

[DesertSpada]

onemoment, robbybevard and Hinscher hit it. You can't go by him being old, hooked up to IVs and etc. This isn't real life. The rules are much different in One Piece. He's the strongest because

1. He was the only person to be able to match the Pirate King in a battle.
2. Roger is dead, so he's #1 now.
3. He is still the strongest man on the planet.

It's his title, just as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman is Mihawk's title. Also, as said by one of Whitebeard's men, Shanks knows not to actually fight Whitebeard. Neither of them were trying, and it was just a strike. I don't think that by that you can say that Shanks could probably beat him. Anyway, until he is dethroned then Whitebeard is the strongest man on the planet and one of the Yonkou, the closest man to One Piece.

[Zik]

@Massacre:

It's a given Whitebeard will be beaten by my main man Blackbeard

No it's not. The fans like yourself believe that to be inevitable. You also assume WB is gonna die after the war is over. WB can come out of this winning and alive or he could win but still fail at saving Ace. Even if BB fights him it's nothing pointing to it being a real one on one fight.

so will he attack him from behind to finish him?

That was in regards to when he had the chance to challenge and fight WB when he was in the crew. In this upcoming war he could still seak up on him to start the fight but that is no longer important. Read what I said in my last post if you don't understand what I was saying about BB attacking "from behind"

Blackbeard devised a plan to rise to the top via a specific path: hide on WB's Dick, get the Yami, collar a massive bounty, become Shichibukai and now it's onto the next phase - trash Whitebeard and kick his ass to the curb.

When did BB say that? How do you know his plans before he does? for all we know this whole war cuold just be a diversion so that he could attack the WG/ Marines and make them weaker. His ultimate goal is to rule the world, his real threat is the marines/WG. There are a few other ways this war could pan out.

That title box that came up, it's nothing but the world's perception of him. He's living off his old name and nothing else. Blackbeard knows what Whitebeard is capable of, your own post infers that, so when Blackbeard made the statement "after getting Yami, I am the strongest in the world", it's proof that AT THE LEAST BB > WB.

No it's Oda's fact. The part about living off his name is just speculation on your part. The part about BB being stronger than WB is what BB believes or would like to believe, he won't become the strongest until he beats the strongest.

Just because you want to see WB fall or BB become the strongest doesn't mean it will happen the way you say it will.

Besides you say it's a given BB will take down WB but it doesn't matter. Luffy will beat BB anyway, so IF he becomes strongest it will be short-lived.

Again WB is the strongest man in the world because he tied with the PK and nobody has yet to defeat him since….......

Also, shanks was able to block his sword and hold his own against him, even if it was a sword strike with Haki WB/Shanks seem equal with Haki and WB should have been able to easily overpower him…

Did you really just say that after seeing one clash of weapons? For all we know Shanks could of fell on his ass or got blown it to the water after.