This is what kids in schools todays are learning, and this is just basic adding,dividing,multiplying,dividing, and It confuses the crap out of me.
This is so ridiculous, imagine getting into more advanced math using these methods. What are schools trying to do, make kids more stupid?
That is way too much thinking for something so simple. What are they trying to do, make kids hate math more than they already do?
Originally Posted by dinty
Robin's in handcuffs; Ace is in chains; Zoro's a Loli-Goth's pet dog/slave; Sanji's been attacked by transvestites and an entire clan has just dropped their drawers for Brook.
In one small chapter, Oda made OP's doujin community completely redundant.
That is way too much thinking for something so simple. What are they trying to do, make kids hate math more than they already do?
That's what im saying, this is going to make kids more confused then they already were, and if this happens, more bad test grades will happen.
as if they werent bad enough as it is.
and yes, this is the offical mathematics curriculum as of 2008 for grades 1-7 (maybe 8 as well)
glad im graduating this year
takin algebra II again this year, i failed it junior year and they made me drop it halfway through
damn, I'm in 8th grade and I aint even learnin this yet.
after getting 4 mins into the video
im glad i learned the first way…that second way is that bullshit
I'm taking algebra 1 and im a sophmore.
Yeh, there making something that should be very simple math something so hard even I don't understand that much.
I actually was taught some of these, and even used the lattice method frequently until I realized what a waste of time it was. The first one is by far the best.
Though these weren't too much of a shock to me, the second one was just plain ridiculous. That's WAY too much to do for a mere two-digit multiplication problem.
I'm taking Geometry Enriched, I'm a freshman. I'm in a class full of Sophomores and Juniors. 
So far my schools have done stuff that my mom said she didn't do until late high school, so maybe I just have a better curriculum in my district.
idk…i took geometry sophmore year too
Alright, I finished watching it now, and NOW I'm a bit baffled - an entire chapter in a math book about using a calculator? What a waste of paper! In my math class, my teacher takes about 2 minutes to tell us how to use graphing calculators for graphs, tables, matrices, etc, and the books don't even tell us!
I also find it pretty sad that there are college students can't solve 6*4. Come on. Are there really teaching methods out there that are that bad?
covers face in horror
No wonder….No wonder everyone around me suffers so horribly. They suffer with that bullshit!
Damn, I didn't watch much of it, but that's crazy.
I'm in Pre-Cal and I'm a freshman. I skipped Pre-Algebra and took Geometry and Algebra II at the same time during 8th grade.
I thought I'd just be able to remember this stuff, but it's all new. Well at least the methods. If anything the students should learn how to understand math step by step. Instead of just saying, when this happens, do this.
dont try to impress me with yo fancy mathematics skills 
what the hell? thats just a waste of time, the first way is WAY easier.
how to say my name: Darks, NOT Dar X, Dar X sounds retarded
The only reason I take algebra 1 and not anything higher is because my old's schools curicculum was sooo horrible, and now my new schools curriculum actullay helps you learn, not just throws you problems and expects you to know everything.
you dont want to mess with that smiley, seriously look at his brow!
I'm taking Geometry which is fucking stupid. I'm somewhat good with numbers, but add shapes/lines/planes to that I'm lost.
Wow, way to over complicate simple things.
When kids first learn these things, it might not be so bad (except for the cluster problem solving, that's just bullshit), but when they get into more advanced math classes, like geometry, algebra, and calculus, this will only make solving problems more tedious and complicated than necessary. Basic function math is more of a supplementary in these classes, and making them needlessly long is not helpful at all.
oh god thinking of taking calculus with these methods…IT'S LIKE A NIGHTMARE
GLAD I'M NOT LEARNING BASIC MATH NOW. And in Washington.
Wow. All of that other stuff besides the Standard Algorithm is a bunch of crap. I can't believe that anyone would think it would be better to teach those complicated ways that take an exorbitent amount of time for extremely simple problems and then teach the total dependence on calculators. Heck, only in Algebra II Hon. did I have to use the calculator so much and that was because our teacher is loves calculators. However, even then we did all of the basic steps into getting the problem. And even no, in Pre-Calculus Hon. we haven't used the calculator yet.
Admittedly, the Standard Algorithm for Double-Digit Multiplication does assume a general knowledge of decimal place (ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, etc.), but other than this assumption it depends wholly on principals of addition and multiplication which should be firmly entrenched by the end of the third grade. The first TERC method illustrated seems to assume the notion that children will have been properly drilled in fractions before dealing with double-digit multiplication. I'm turning 31 this month, so things may have changed since I was in elementary school, but I recall learning double-digit multiplication before covering fractions. Does this hold true for anyone else?
@M.J.:
"In TERC Investigations, no algorithms are taught; instead, students are encouraged to reason through problems with something called 'cluster problems'. Let me show you an example right out of the teachers manual."
Well, this sounds okay, but…
Oh, wait. One definition first: an "algorithm" is a systematic method of solving a certain kind of problem.
How is the first TERC example not systematic? I would personally just truncate it to (2031)+(631) because honestly, if you can't figure out how to multiply single digit numbers by double digit numbers, you're stuck counting on rote memorization to handle the multiplication tables from one to twelve. Please, please tell me they still teach multiplication tables one through twelve.
Okay, the second example: Partial products was something that I recall having gone over once in elementary school, more than twenty years ago. Once. It wasn't focused on, because it is more difficult. For teachers. If a student is able to understand decimal place (ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, etc.) why the hell shouldn't they understand the partial product algorithm? Personally, I didn't use it because it meant more writing, which is a pain. (I remember when having to write-off a phrase or paragraph x number of times was a form of punishment.)
Lattice Method? Ugh. I vaguely recall some such thing from High School Algebra, because my instructor covered every possible method to learn how to solve problems. I'd listen to the lesson for five minutes, sleep for twenty, wake up for the last five to catch the lesson plan, then study the book at home that night. (Musty old tomes of True Mathematical Learning. Ah, how I treasure that knowledge!) And you know what? I still made a straight A in that class for two and a half months- 'til my class participation grade started to catch up to me.
Man, that teaching program they're talking about is just bullshit. Why are they trying to make it so hard for kids now?
My little cousin's in 3rd grade and she didn't even know the basic things that I know, my brother and I had to show her how to do basic math easily because the schools overcomplicated it too much for her.
If we did those other methods, we wouldn't get the humor in this skit.
Hahaha! Oh how I love Abbot and Costello!
Well, the best reasoning for it was the simplest: "It's gotta come out that way, or I go in the brig."
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
I stop paying attention to math when division & multiplication are thrown in.
Back in the day, I used to have to relearn long division and multiplication every year, since my brain purged it over summer vacation.
Then we moved to calculators, and so it's been like ten years since I've been able to do it. o/
Math retards unite…
wow i didnt even know about the lattice method lol
Wow, I wish I was taught with that terc method. It's actually extremely efficient for how I process information. It's very easy to break it down into 10 x Y since you just plop on a zero, then double it, add half, and then the original. It makes a helluva lot of sense to me. Not to mention it's way easier for me to picture mentally than the carrying bullshit. It's systematic and with enough practice, all you really need to know how to do is:
Add places, add same figures, divide by two and add original figures. In my head it's a lot easier.
Sure, I agree that the original method is more straightforward and simple to write on paper, but how many times am I at Home Depot with a pencil and paper on hand. It makes it extremely easy for me to picture.
That's very interesting, thank you for the post. Good to stay on top of these things.
I found it kind of sad that there's this kid in my algebra 1 class, and he has like a 34% average and he doesnt even know how to multiply well, 
I have a 95% though.
cause i pwn.
Wow, I wish I was taught with that terc method. It's actually extremely efficient for how I process information. It's very easy to break it down into 10 x Y since you just plop on a zero, then double it, add half, and then the original. It makes a helluva lot of sense to me. Not to mention it's way easier for me to picture mentally than the carrying bullshit. It's systematic and with enough practice, all you really need to know how to do is:
Add places, add same figures, divide by two and add original figures. In my head it's a lot easier.
Sure, I agree that the original method is more straightforward and simple to write on paper, but how many times am I at Home Depot with a pencil and paper on hand. It makes it extremely easy for me to picture.
That's very interesting, thank you for the post. Good to stay on top of these things.
This also proves that different people learn differently. Many people wouldn't learn a thing if they were taught that way but it works great for you. If schools really want to help students, then they need to use different methods to teach kids because everyone's brains think differently. What's easy to one is impossible to another. So that's another things that needs to be thought of when teaching. Interesting post. Adds a different persepective.
If schools really want to help students, then they need to use different methods to teach kids because everyone's brains think differently.
Well, this was what my aforementioned high school algebra teacher did. Unfortunately, it tended to backfire because students would become confused by the different methods, and try to use part of one algorithm in one of the other algorithms. When it produced the wrong answer (which it inevitably did), they would come to the conclusion that "Math is Hard".
Another problem is that children often think in very concrete terms. If they learn that the standard algorithm solves the problem, they often conclude that only the standard algorithm solves the problem, or worse, that only that problem is solved by the standard algorithm; the same problem with different variables is just not the same problem, and must be tackled by some other, unknown method.
Thing is, I suck balls at math. I'm not a dummy but I'm no brain trust either, but I suck ASS at mental math. It's because I'm constantly losing track of the carrying and crossing spaces, etc. etc. I don't think there's anything WRONG with the way I learned math. I can tell you for certain if I focussed on memorizing the times table beyond just 1-10 I would have been able to produce better marks but believe me when I say, the only reason I never got a C until college was because of credit for attitude and effort in any math related course. I fucking suck with numbers.
Lots of people do, Greg. Like DesertSpada said "everyones brains think differently". Some brains work in such a way that they make brilliant mathematicians, others simply aren't wired to work that way. There are some people that can visualize cosine wave functions in their minds, which I can't manage to do without a graphing calculator and several minutes of deep concentration. And then there are guys like e1n that have an excellent grasp of such math-dependant disciplines as physics and also doodle on the level of professional graphic artists. I am a tad jealous.
I can do math well as long as I have the formulas for the problems, otherwise I'm screwed over 
I hate Math. Period.
I'm a Freshman(however the hell you spell it IDK) and I'm taking Algebra. I HATE IT SO MUCH. D:<
I think someone needs to eat a happle. <3Mah dA.Bombing for peace is like having sex for virginity.
I love math. It's fun. Yes, I am a freak.
Originally Posted by dinty
Robin's in handcuffs; Ace is in chains; Zoro's a Loli-Goth's pet dog/slave; Sanji's been attacked by transvestites and an entire clan has just dropped their drawers for Brook.
In one small chapter, Oda made OP's doujin community completely redundant.
I like math too. 
However, I'm lazy so I tend to stray around when solving problems.
i HATE math, English is my thing, although i only use good grammar when i have to, math is just boring to me.
how to say my name: Darks, NOT Dar X, Dar X sounds retarded
I like math and english.
but I dislike history with a passion and I think science is alright.
out of my classes
Debate/English
Biology
Geometry
History
Health/Gym
French
History is FUCKING POINTLESS. God damn useless facts I will never use again in my life. Health and gym are sort of pointless too I guess. I have health atm then gym next semester. I just do homework in health, which is good.
I like history/econ/marketing all that stuff
its easy for me
math on the other hand…
Looking back now History was probably the subject I'm most glad of studing. It was civilizing. But I wish I had been a generally better student though. A lot better.
Not just because of higher grades and crap but because… it doesn't hurth to know and to understand stuff. Had I studied harder I would probably be a better person and I would be better prepared for, you know, life.
But, honestly, if I now would find myself from a highschool I probably wouldn't do any better. So I'm just flapping my mouth.
I often have used that second method. It's most friendly method for my brains.
Math_s_ was always my best subject at school. In particular mental arithmetic. This sometime caused a problem when writing stuff down on paper because I managed to do alot of shit in my head. I always hated having to do Maths that you could only do with a calculator. You couldn't do that shit 20+ years ago and people still seemed pretty smart.
Our final exams involved non-calculator and calculator tests which I always saw as true Maths and simple Maths. Sure the equations weren't simple in any sense of the word but I would of liked to be taught a more tradition way of working out.
I'm an education major, and we covered all those ways in my Structures of mathematics class. The first one confused me, which isn't that hard, considering I am horrible at mental math, and i don't like things that take up a lot of time and has a lot of steps. I loved the lattice method for multiplication and addition, just cause it was really simple. I learned other different ways of doing problems too, but unfortunately I've forgotten them all because they were just too inefficient to use. The old way is the best in my opinion.
Wow, I wish I was taught with that terc method. It's actually extremely efficient for how I process information. It's very easy to break it down into 10 x Y since you just plop on a zero, then double it, add half, and then the original. It makes a helluva lot of sense to me. Not to mention it's way easier for me to picture mentally than the carrying bullshit. It's systematic and with enough practice, all you really need to know how to do is:
Add places, add same figures, divide by two and add original figures. In my head it's a lot easier.
Sure, I agree that the original method is more straightforward and simple to write on paper, but how many times am I at Home Depot with a pencil and paper on hand. It makes it extremely easy for me to picture.
That's very interesting, thank you for the post. Good to stay on top of these things.
I swear, we really do share a brain. I needed a tutor to pass high school math.
the second method, no one ever showed me that. I figured it out myself, quite a while after I was done school. I can't do math off the top of my head otherwise. And ya, who has a pen and paper handy. I've been told a few times "geez your good at math" for figuring things out like that. it's fast.
I watched through the entire video. My jaw simply dropped when she brought out those atlases and said they were math books. What the bloody hell! is that what tax payers money is spent on. This lady is recommending I'd be better off buying a math book from some underdeveloped country and teach my kids at home. what am I sending them to school for!
btw, e1n can do math and draw really good, cause he is evil. >:)
One thing that bugs me about America is that society puts such an emphasis on science and math as measurements of intelligence. That's not a bad thing, necessarily, but students are usually only thought to be "smart" if they excel at science and/or math.
A student could write a brilliant English paper, or be a walking encyclopedia, but will almost ALWAYS be overlooked in favor of the student who can rattle off problems quickly or makes an impressive science project.
I find it ironic that people like albert einstein can suck at school and do amazing in life.
School is just a bunch of letter grades designed to make kids know if they need to work harder.
