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Roronoa Zolo

Everybody know that Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world but what would happen if he went up against Buggy. Mihawk is very skilled with a sword but buggy is uneffected by them. I can't decide who would win because Mihawk destroyed a fleet of ships in a matter of seconds but he couldn't permantently cut Buggy, he could just come back together after getting cut. So who do you guys think would win?

Century Tuna

Can buggy divide himself up to tiny little minced pieces? If not, then Mihawk will do that for him.

Roronoa Zolo

Originally posted by Century Tuna@Jun 3 2005, 04:04 PM
Can buggy divide himself up to tiny little minced pieces? If not, then Mihawk will do that for him.
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Well if Mihawk did Buggy could just come back together. And would Mihawk be able to block Buggy's Chop Chop Harpoon if it hit him from behind?

Buccaneer

Remember when Zoro got karate chopped by Mihawk and fell to the ground? Mihawk may rely on speed and dexterity, but he must also be extraordinarily strong. Buggy's knives would do nothing to his cross-dagger, so I think that about settles it.

Really, the back of the blade would work too, so Zoro wouldn't have much trouble with him either.

luffink

When I read the title of the post I thought "Stupid, Mihawk, of course!", but when I think it twice, it seems difficult to determine. Just a little question: is buggy uneffected…of stabs?

Century Tuna

Now, that I think about it, Mihawk could just sucker punch Buggy once and that's it. Imagine if Mihawk sliced buggy vertically…

Roronoa Zolo

You do have a point but what about Chop Chop Festival, do you think Mihawk would be able to beat that, he might get overwhelmed. Also Buggy could split his body in places to dodge attacks.

oceanizer

I think Mihawk would win. Remember in Buggy's arc, somebody (I think Luffy?) kicked Buggy in his crotch, and it hurted him? His body parts don't split by themselves…

Century Tuna

got kicked in the nuts, tickled and stepped on, he feels the pain of something blunt.

Akira

Quite right Oceanizer. Since buggy's body parts can move apart, not all of them can divide into little pieces, thus if one of his legs gets stabbed, He'll bleed. Plus with the whole fact about luffy Kicking buggy in the nuts (As displayed in my Avatar) ^^;; , then yes, He can get hurt. So In this case, Mihawk would win, with the raw power of speed, dexterity and strength.

Roronoa Zolo

Originally posted by oceanizer@Jun 3 2005, 04:14 PM
I think Mihawk would win. Remember in Buggy's arc, somebody (I think Luffy?) kicked Buggy in his crotch, and it hurted him? His body parts don't split by themselves…
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Well many people bring that up but then you have to think about the fact that Mihawk is a good fighter, he doesn't kick people in the crotch in the middle of a sword fight, he usually only fights with his sword. And I don't think Buggy is effected by swords, Zoro sure had a hard time fighting him.

Buccaneer

_Originally posted by oceanizer+Jun 4 2005, 06:14 AM–>QUOTE(oceanizer @ Jun 4 2005, 06:14 AM)I think Mihawk would win. Remember in Buggy's arc, somebody (I think Luffy?) kicked Buggy in his crotch, and it hurted him? His body parts don't split by themselves...
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Actually, I think they do. I would have been really hard and risky to predict where Zoro was going to cut him, in 3 different places. While he can seperate manually, I think if you simply divide his parts, he's unaffected.

@Jun 4 2005, 06:16 AM
Quite right Oceanizer. Since buggy's body parts can move apart, not all of them can divide into little pieces, thus if one of his legs gets stabbed, He'll bleed. Plus with the whole fact about luffy Kicking buggy in the nuts (As displayed in my Avatar) ^^;; , then yes, He can get hurt. So In this case, Mihawk would win, with the raw power of speed, dexterity and strength.
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_He can divide his legs easily, he just didn't realize that Luffy was going to hit him there. IIRC, the only limitation he has is that his lowest parts (feet) must stay grounded.

As far as stabs go, I think he can just do a Festival, so it doesn't go in anything._

Cap'n Carter

BUGGY ALWAYS WINS.

Master Gold Dragon

Mihawk would cut Buggy into so many pieces he couldn't put himself back together

Century Tuna

Just cut a piece of him and squeeze hard, you'll die of laughter from his squeal.

oceanizer

Originally posted by Akira@Jun 3 2005, 01:16 PM
Quite right Oceanizer. Since buggy's body parts can move apart, not all of them can divide into little pieces, thus if one of his legs gets stabbed, He'll bleed. Plus with the whole fact about luffy Kicking buggy in the nuts (As displayed in my Avatar) ^^;; , then yes, He can get hurt. So In this case, Mihawk would win, with the raw power of speed, dexterity and strength.
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Actually I was thinking more of… Buggy's brain/eyes cannot track all of them at once. I do think the body can be devided as much as Buggy wants as long as he pay attention. But body itself doesn't have a sensor against the danger, so it'll stay as is until Buggy makes a signal to split them. (Eh, my English isn't doing good today.)

Thedevil

ill agree with Bucc you can use the back of your sword to defeat enemies so with mihawk speed and all that stuff i think the victor is MIHAWK

Ivotas

Depends on when and how Mihawk hits him. I have the impression that if he (or any other swordsman) would catch Buggy by surprise he could get really hurt. Though he is a logia type user I always refer to the scene at Nanohana when Smoker was ready to take on Ace and got completely surprised by Luffy and got hit in the back. If Smoker would have seen that one comming he could have easily turned to smoke but so he got hurt pretty tough by Luffy.

And somehow I have the same impression that Buggy could indeed get a cut that actually causes damage to him if he isnÂ´t prepared for it. And if so Mihawk could definitely be the type to get him by surprise. He could talk to Buggy, then slice him pretty fast and continue talking and Buggy wouldnÂ´t have even realised what Mihawk did. Then he wouldnÂ´t even have had the time to prepare for the attack.

Thedevil

one more thing when Buggy attacks the other part of his body stays put so mihawk can slice buggy, buggt offcourse thinking its directed to him dodges and his other part (thats standing still) gets sliced.
any thoughs

Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 3 2005, 05:06 PM
**Depends on when and how Mihawk hits him. I have the impression that if he (or any other swordsman) would catch Buggy by surprise he could get really hurt. Though he is a logia type user I always refer to the scene at Nanohana when Smoker was ready to take on Ace and got completely surprised by Luffy and got hit in the back. If Smoker would have seen that one comming he could have easily turned to smoke but so he got hurt pretty tough by Luffy.

And somehow I have the same impression that Buggy could indeed get a cut that actually causes damage to him if he isnÂ´t prepared for it. And if so Mihawk could definitely be the type to get him by surprise. He could talk to Buggy, then slice him pretty fast and continue talking and Buggy wouldnÂ´t have even realised what Mihawk did. Then he wouldnÂ´t even have had the time to prepare for the attack.
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I mostly agree with what you are saying but Buggy is paramecia, not logia.

Ivotas

Originally posted by neodragzero+Jun 3 2005, 11:16 PM–>QUOTE(neodragzero @ Jun 3 2005, 11:16 PM)

imo mihawk would slice buggy in a million pieces, that buggy cant regenerate himself.i say the fight wouldnt take longer than a few seconds.

Buggy uses his ability to dodge. Mihawk is fast rnough that he'd see his body split and cut through the top half of his body. GG Buggy.

Ivotas

Another thought. What would happen to BuggyÂ´s feet if he would start to hack them into pieces? ;)

Thedevil

he may become feetless or they might form to his old foot who nows. personaly i think they will joing back anything can happen in the op world

I think Buggy is kind of…immortal. :blink: When Zoro cutted him, he wasnÂ´t exactly prepared for it, but just stood up and stabbed Zoro. ItÂ´d be a interesting fight, I guess. B)

Ivotas

What do you mean he wasnÂ´t exactly prepared for him? It was Buggy who challenged Zoro. He must have been a complete moron challenging a person and expecting not to being attacked.

I see the attack in the same way like when a logia type user is attacked. Where the sword cuts throught there you wonÂ´t get hurt if you are prepared for it.

Thedevil

i must say this cant resest your sig is awsome. as for zoro Buggy so it coming thats why he dodged it or used his power

Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 3 2005, 07:21 PM
**What do you mean he wasnÂ´t exactly prepared for him? It was Buggy who challenged Zoro. He must have been a complete moron challenging a person and expecting not to being attacked.

I see the attack in the same way like when a logia type user is attacked. Where the sword cuts throught there you wonÂ´t get hurt if you are prepared for it.
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Buggy's ability isn't like the logia type. Buggy still has bits and pieces of himself that can be held and damaged while a logia devil fruit user can be divided into many more pieces to the very point that at most situations they are completely untouchable. The fact that Luffy was able to grab one of Buggy's floating hands shows that the amount of division he can do is still limited while I doubt you can do the same for logia devil fruit users since usually an element that they have isn't exactly as solid, with Eneru being the exception simply because he can be touched by rubber.

Mafioso11

buggy would get sliced and diced before he could even THINK about seperating :D.

**What do you mean he wasnÂ´t exactly prepared for him? It was Buggy who challenged Zoro. He must have been a complete moron challenging a person and expecting not to being attacked.

I see the attack in the same way like when a logia type user is attacked. Where the sword cuts throught there you wonÂ´t get hurt if you are prepared for it.**

For me, it was like he had understimated Zoro. He was in middle of attack when he was cutted down. And hey, no blood. :blink: You mean that if he is attacked with the guard down, he will bleed? It would be Logia type. Buggy is Paramecia, just like Luffy. You see, sometimes Luffy strechs without want to. His body is like that 100% of the time. I think Buggy is somehow like that. If you cut him, he will just reunite his parts again… :huh:

i must say this cant resest your sig is awsome.

Hey, thanks. ;)

wolfwood

would hand the victory over to buggy,

cause mihawk would probably be an arrognat prick and totaly underestimate buggy cause come on how likely is it that a 15.000.000 pirate from east blue could be of any threat to the worlds greatest swordsman :P
then he would assume that hes finished buggy with what ever move he made and then he would walk away and all of the sudden he would get an unplesant stabby feeling in the back :P

buggys fruit kinda gives him the upperhand since mihawk isnt aware of it

Actually wolfwood, it seems the world government can easily attain information on the devil fruit abilities of pirates they put out bounties for. Many times now the situation where opponents in current chapters of One Piece know of Luffy's abilities, this including Frankie, members of CPs, etc. has become quite frequent. If Mihawk had a reason to go after Buggy he would most likely be able to easily attain information about Buggy's devil fruit ability, though there is still the possibility of him not even caring to listen to the full details about Buggy.

Even then, I seriously doubt that Buggy would survive being hit by the sheer force of what Mihawk uses to cut ships in half. And shame on you, you should know better to know that a stab to the back doesn't necessarily leads to immediate death, especially when it comes to One Piece. That and also the most likely possibility that Mihawk isn't the type that can easily be stabbed in the back. The fact that Buggy wasn't capable of immediately killing Zoro at the level of combat ability Zoro was at the time doesn't bode well for Buggy. He is a member of the Shichibukai for a reason along with being known as the greatest swordsman in the world, I doubt he got to his current position without having to deal with opponents that usually would make the use of a sword usually impossible for combat purposes.

Also, does anyone know if Buggy can also divide himself up diagonally and vertically because the last time I looked he seem only capable of dividing his body up horizontally?

Roronoa Zolo

_Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 3 2005, 05:06 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 3 2005, 05:06 PM)Depends on when and how Mihawk hits him. I have the impression that if he (or any other swordsman) would catch Buggy by surprise he could get really hurt. Though he is a logia type user I always refer to the scene at Nanohana when Smoker was ready to take on Ace and got completely surprised by Luffy and got hit in the back. If Smoker would have seen that one comming he could have easily turned to smoke but so he got hurt pretty tough by Luffy.

And somehow I have the same impression that Buggy could indeed get a cut that actually causes damage to him if he isnÂ´t prepared for it. And if so Mihawk could definitely be the type to get him by surprise. He could talk to Buggy, then slice him pretty fast and continue talking and Buggy wouldnÂ´t have even realised what Mihawk did. Then he wouldnÂ´t even have had the time to prepare for the attack.
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Well I don't really think you could catch a parmecia devil fruit user by surprize. Luffy and Buggy's devil fruits are both parmecia and when Giamon shot Luffy in the back Luffy's body just steched to take the blow so why couldn't Buggy's body be sliced if he was taken by surprize?

@Jun 3 2005, 11:41 PM
**Actually wolfwood, it seems the world government can easily attain information on the devil fruit abilities of pirates they put out bounties for. Many times now the situation where opponents in current chapters of One Piece know of Luffy's abilities, this including Frankie, members of CPs, etc. has become quite frequent. If Mihawk had a reason to go after Buggy he would most likely be able to easily attain information about Buggy's devil fruit ability, though there is still the possibility of him not even caring to listen to the full details about Buggy.

Even then, I seriously doubt that Buggy would survive being hit by the sheer force of what Mihawk uses to cut ships in half. And shame on you, you should know better to know that a stab to the back doesn't necessarily leads to immediate death, especially when it comes to One Piece. That and also the most likely possibility that Mihawk isn't the type that can easily be stabbed in the back. The fact that Buggy wasn't capable of immediately killing Zoro at the level of combat ability Zoro was at the time doesn't bode well for Buggy. He is a member of the Shichibukai for a reason along with being known as the greatest swordsman in the world, I doubt he got to his current position without having to deal with opponents that usually would make the use of a sword usually impossible for combat purposes.

Also, does anyone know if Buggy can also divide himself up diagonally and vertically because the last time I looked he seem only capable of dividing his body up horizontally?
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The thing about not killing Zoro, he easily could have killed Zoro, he just didn't.

Akira

I don't think it's been proven yet if buggy can split horizontally, just vertically for now.

If buggy's legs get chopped up by Mihawk without him knowing (Getting Distracted), Would he be weakened if he was using the power to split at that moment?

Roronoa Zolo

Um, Buggy can kind of fly so it his legs got chopped up I don't think it would really effect the battle.

Akira

Well I said that because of the whole thing with the Bara-Bara range crap which only allows Buggy to go a certain distance and his feet have to be on the ground…Something like that.

Roronoa Zolo

Well if your talking about Mihawk cutting up Buggy's legs and then running out of Buggy's range it doesn't make much sence. Mihawk is really confident with himself and he probably wouldn't run away from a sword fight for anything, he would fight them legit.

Akira

o_O I never said that Mihawk was running away…., And Plus, I'm just talking about how Mihawk would slice buggy's legs, but would buggy still be vunelerable, or would the legs regenerate

Roronoa Zolo

First: just wondering, why do you keep on talking about Buggy's legs? He has never once used his feet in a fight. If anything you should talk about cutting his arms up that's what he uses to fight.

Second: Buggy losing his legs wouldn't be that devestating. It's like Pankakes without surup, thy're still good but with syrup they taste better hence Buggy with his legs.

The thing about not killing Zoro, he easily could have killed Zoro, he just didn't.
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That's still pretty far from being able to stab Mihawk in the back much less the fact that it has been made quite obvious that it still leaves Buggy incapable of quickly killing a weaker swordsman in a situation where he had the complete upperhand. That in itself just shows that Buggy himself can be too cocky and simply thinks that only making a single stab wound means that he automaticially has beaten the enemy.

Like I said, to think that Mihawk is no way prepared to fight an opponent like Buggy is like saying that he never had to fight devil fruit users before. The fact that he is still alive and in his current position of the Shikibuchai is still accountable. You can't possibly say that Mihawk during the entire time of his existence and climbing up to his current standing of power that he never had to face an opponent that would make the use of a sword usually impractical.

We don't even know the full range of Mihawk's abilities much less should we be thinking that he would simply lose just because the opponent usually makes the use of a sword impractical. He still a member of the Shikibuchai for a reason. Heck, we don't even know what his sword is made of for that matter. One can imagine the look on Buggy's face when he just stands there to get cut to only end up seeing himself bleed.

BUggy did use his leg into a fights ,like putting a knife into his shoes and attack ,using his feet and he did kicks ..

Ivotas

Originally posted by Mugi-kun@Jun 4 2005, 03:38 AM
For me, it was like he had understimated Zoro. He was in middle of attack when he was cutted down. And hey, no blood. :blink: You mean that if he is attacked with the guard down, he will bleed? It would be Logia type. Buggy is Paramecia, just like Luffy. You see, sometimes Luffy strechs without want to. His body is like that 100% of the time. I think Buggy is somehow like that. If you cut him, he will just reunite his parts again… :huh:
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OK I get your point. However if you say that Buggy underestimated him then you totally misinterpret the whole scene. It was BuggyÂ´s plan from the first place to do that to Zoro. YouÂ´ll see that nobody is surprised to what happened to Buggy, they were all prepared for the "chopped" Buggy. Only we as reader/viewers were like WTF???

Buccaneer

_Originally posted by Mugi-kun+Jun 4 2005, 11:38 AM–>QUOTE(Mugi-kun @ Jun 4 2005, 11:38 AM)I think Buggy is somehow like that. If you cut him, he will just reunite his parts again... :huh:
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I feel the same. Unlike Logia, Paramecia doesn't need to be "activated."

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 4 2005, 11:53 AM
**would hand the victory over to buggy,

cause mihawk would probably be an arrognat prick and totaly underestimate buggy cause come on how likely is it that a 15.000.000 pirate from east blue could be of any threat to the worlds greatest swordsman :P
then he would assume that hes finished buggy with what ever move he made and then he would walk away and all of the sudden he would get an unplesant stabby feeling in the back :P

buggys fruit kinda gives him the upperhand since mihawk isnt aware of it
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Even if he was stabbed from behind, Mihawk would still win. He's the best swordsman in the world, it'd be extremely disappointing if he couldn't figure out how to work his way around Buggy, since even I can. Hand to hand, Mihawk's quite powerful, y'know.

@Jun 4 2005, 01:41 PM
Actually wolfwood, it seems the world government can easily attain information on the devil fruit abilities of pirates they put out bounties for. Many times now the situation where opponents in current chapters of One Piece know of Luffy's abilities, this including Frankie, members of CPs, etc._

_Actually, no. No one in Galley-La knew of Luffy's powers until that shipyard fight, where Lulu shot Luffy. Franky found out because the family members told him.

The thing about not killing Zoro, he easily could have killed Zoro, he just didn't.

Actually, no, he couldn't. He was face down when he made the stab, which is why the hit wasn't fatal. When Zoro had become aware of Buggy's powers, Buggy still attacked, but Zoro was on guard and able to hold off the knives.

Now think about how quick and strong Mihawk is. Would it be a problem for him to cut Buggy's knives with his dagger?_

Thedevil

Now think about how quick and strong Mihawk is. Would it be a problem for him to cut Buggy's knives with his dagger?

thats exactly what i wanted to say plus i think mihawks fists are enough

**Actually, no. No one in Galley-La knew of Luffy's powers until that shipyard fight, where Lulu shot Luffy. Franky found out because the family members told him.

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I'm specifically refering to "those" certain members of Galley-La, not the entire group. I only brought up simply show that Luffy's ability can easily become more and more well known since Luffy isn't exactly the best at keeping his ability a secret nor does he ever seem to care.

Overall, the world government should have information on Luffy's devil fruit ability, there's just too many ways for them to attain that info.

Buccaneer

The World Gov't probably does, but they probably don't bother to get the word out.

And CP9 probably found out about Luffy's powers through Robin, if they did at all.

Thedevil

why should Robin tell the cps about luffy power. didnt she go with them to protect luffy.???

Buccaneer

They could ask her. And it's not like a stand in Jojo, where once someone finds out, it's only a matter of time until they overcome it. Pretty much all of Luffy's enemies know his power before going head to head with him. So telling what it is he does isn't really a disservice.

Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 4 2005, 05:41 AM
**The World Gov't probably does, but they probably don't bother to get the word out.

And CP9 probably found out about Luffy's powers through Robin, if they did at all.
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And why not? Why wouldn't the world government wouldn't have such information available for CP9. Last time I checked all the CPs were supposed to be able to gather just about any info. To not simply add in that he ate the gomu gomu fruit just sounds horribly lazy, something that doesn't correspond when it comes the relation between the World Government and CPs, especially CP9.

I'm just saying that it is most likely that if you show your devil fruit ability to a large number of individuals, especially when they are maries, that the world government would know about it. It just makes it unlikely that Mihawk would be 100 percent clueless in the scenario that he would want to fight Buggy, though it still doesn't really matter much when Buggy is still below Mihawk when it comes to combat power.