Full view (dA) recommended:
http://road-safety.deviantart.com/art/Cute-ancestor-98884335
http://road-safety.deviantart.com/art/Cute-ancestor-98884335
http://road-safety.deviantart.com/art/Cute-ancestor-98884335
http://road-safety.deviantart.com/art/Cute-ancestor-98884335
http://road-safety.deviantart.com/art/Cute-ancestor-98884335
Comments in both (dA and here) are greatly welcomed.
very nice. i like that color scheme.
^^ why thank you
holy shit nice stuff
Thank you very much 
Very good Margret
So was the original scetch done by you also or not?
Nope, unfortunately not. I found it in some random site. I wish I knew who made it.
Ah I see.
I mean you did a VERY nice job linearting and colouring it, but I think you should have noted that the original scetch wasn`t yours~
There's no need to add extra information. If someone asks, I will never lie, just as you see in my last post.
I would have credited the artist, but he/she has not a dA account so giving credit to someone who I don't know/you can't know anything about would be sort of wtf.
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Nvm, I thought you drew this.
Wah, that's pretty cute!! Good job!
So essentially, the entire fandom (Japan included) agrees that Marguerite's hair should be white/silver etc. The one real exception was when someone did mahogany eyes and a blue-white hair color. The result? She looked like Rei Ayanami.
Very impressive. How long did it take to do?
3 days 
More or less
There's no need to add extra information. If someone asks, I will never lie, just as you see in my last post.
I would have credited the artist, but he/she has not a dA account so giving credit to someone who I don't know/you can't know anything about would be sort of wtf.:]
What do you mean EXTRA INFO? O_O Its called an art-stealing. You **HAVE TO NOTE** that it wasnt your scetch even if you don`t link to original art. Otherwise you fool people.
hey watch over your mouth. I didn't steal anything. Everything you see there was made from scratch. I just took a drawing as reference =/ I have the illustrator file to prove I didn't steal anything and I made everything.
It's like making a vector out of a scan or a manga page. I never said I invented the character since everyone knows it's from OP. What's more, the person who drew it might have used another scan as reference.
I found the image in a public site where the scan was not attached to any copyright laws. It's like I used a image from google.
Once again, do tell me who made it and I'll credit him/her and clearly say it in my piece description.
actually you fooled me, i thought you had drew it
but i also understand that you dont know who to credit or wateva. No big deal but you still should just edit and put
"I didnt draw this" or something like that
i dont think it matters..honestly
i mean, i wouldnt give a shit
i dont think it matters..honestly
i mean, i wouldnt give a shit
That's what I think, but that dude up there won't stop bitching about that shit so I feel the urge to clear things up.
In my opinion, as long as I never tell a lie it's fine. I didn't add I haven't drawn it myself. I didn't add I've drawn it either. Hence I'm not saying anything false. People is free to believe whatever they want. The amout of information I post in the piece description is up to me. It must never be false and it's absolutely optional. Many artists add a single dot as a thread description. That's not different from what I did.
=/ jeez
That's what I think, but that dude up there won't stop bitching about that shit so I feel the urge to clear things up.
In my opinion, as long as I never tell a lie it's fine. I didn't add I haven't drawn it myself. I didn't add I've drawn it either. Hence I'm not saying anything false. People is free to believe whatever they want. The amout of information I post in the piece description is up to me. It must never be false and it's absolutely optional. Many artists add a single dot as a thread description. That's not different from what I did.
=/ jeez
Oh I see, so your indirectly lying is somehow magically better than straight up lying.
Thanks for this lesson is slimy-ass ethics.
Unfortunetly you a wrong.
The fact that you found it in a public place doesnt mean anything O_o Some bustard just reposted it there from the artists blog or page. And what do you mean "pictures from google"?! O_o Do you think its like a STOCK PICTURES gallery? O_o I draw too and I know how that works - the way scetch was done is far from taking it to an art from scratch. Anyway, you should go and read rules on dA. You showed absolutely no respect to the original artist work, so if you dont write - I only did lineart and clours - in dA description I will report you there 
Haha, oh wow. This thread made me laugh pretty hard.
@Deltron:
Oh I see, so your indirectly lying is somehow magically better than straight up lying.
Thanks for this lesson is slimy-ass ethics.
Indirectly lying? you make me ROFL very hard. That is to say, if you ask me if I have a girlfriend and I just say no (for example: because I could be already married) I would be lying?
Your ethics go way beyond the common reasoning. When you see a piece in dA, you comment it or you favourite it because of its looks. Not because it's original art or something.
The fact you rely on the information posted by the artist shows how weak your sense of art is.
@Al!naJames:
Unfortunetly you a wrong.
The fact that you found it in a public place doesnt mean anything O_o Some bustard just reposted it there from the artistsblog or page. And what do you mean "pictures from google"?! O_o Do you think its like a STOCK PICTURES gallery? O_o I draw too and I know how that works - the way scetch was done is far from taking it to an art from scratch. Anyway, you should go and read rules on dA. You showed absolutely no respect to the original artist work, so if you dont write - I only did lineart and clours - in dA description I will report you there
Woah, a lot of writing in there for someone that has nothing to do with the person who made the original sKetch.
Mind you, the original idea belongs to Eichiro Oda, since Margaret is one of his newly designed characters.
I will quote myself from what I said in the previous post: that person made the sketch. You are right there. However, you don't know if that person made everything up or he just took a scan as a reference and then drew Margaret.
Given that situation you can't check if that's true no matter how hard you try because the artist is unknown, the fact of reporting would lead you to nowhere but to trouble.
I could always say I used the same scan he used as a reference and then you would be like O.o
Let's be frank. I do GFX and LPs for fun. I have a life behind all this and I'm not planning to earn my salary from anything related to graphics.
The fact I posted it here was because it was related to one piece and I thought it would be more appreciated here than anywhere else.
My surprise was to see that, in spite of getting comments about the piece itself, you started inquiring about the fact I made up that pose and whatnot.
First of all, get a life. If you don't have solid proof that this sketch idea is nowhere to be found but the mind of the artist who drew it, you should kindly shut up your mouth.
Secondly, I don't want to get in trouble because of a whim of yours and because you felt like being the hero of the unknown artist (for nothing, because I didn't say anywhere I made the sKetch).
So yeah, I'll edit my comment and add what you mentioned.
Now, you can be at ease. You've freed the world from the evil and you'll now be granted the title of world savior.
Seriously, WTF.
That taught me a lesson though. There are people who don't have a life and like fucking up other's lives.
It's funny all this shit happened, mainly because it's the first time I do something like that. The rest of pieces are made from scans which are free to use (because I paid for them).
From now on, I'll only post original artwork. That is to say, 100% drawn and 100% vectored by myself.
I hope my next thread gets constructive criticism from you and not a lot of ethical shit you felt like bringing up (without knowing the artist. I would understand all that if the artist was in dA and despite knowing that, I had ignored my duties).
Despite everything, I had some fun with all this. It's always interesting to debate about the "property rights" of a piece and whatnot.
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Haha, oh wow. This thread made me laugh pretty hard.
You have quite the wicked sense of humour, my sir.
Indirectly lying? you make me ROFL very hard. That is to say, if you ask me if I have a girlfriend and I just say no (for example: because I could be already married) I would be lying?
Your ethics go way beyond the common reasoning. When you see a piece in dA, you comment it or you favourite it because of its looks. Not because it's original art or something.
The fact you rely on the information posted by the artist shows how weak your sense of art is.Woah, a lot of writing in there for someone that has nothing to do with the person who made the original sKetch.
Mind you, the original idea belongs to Eichiro Oda, since Margaret is one of his newly designed characters.
I will quote myself from what I said in the previous post: that person made the sketch. You are right there. However, you don't know if that person made everything up or he just took a scan as a reference and then drew Margaret.
Given that situation you can't check if that's true no matter how hard you try because the artist is unknown, the fact of reporting would lead you to nowhere but to trouble.
I could always say I used the same scan he used as a reference and then you would be like O.oLet's be frank. I do GFX and LPs for fun. I have a life behind all this and I'm not planning to earn my salary from anything related to graphics.
The fact I posted it here was because it was related to one piece and I thought it would be more appreciated here than anywhere else.
My surprise was to see that, in spite of getting comments about the piece itself, you started inquiring about the fact I made up that pose and whatnot.
First of all, get a life. If you don't have solid proof that this sketch idea is nowhere to be found but the mind of the artist who drew it, you should kindly shut up your mouth.
Secondly, I don't want to get in trouble because of a whim of yours and because you felt like being the hero of the unknown artist (for nothing, because I didn't say anywhere I made the sKetch).
So yeah, I'll edit my comment and add what you mentioned.
Now, you can be at ease. You've freed the world from the evil and you'll now be granted the title of world savior.Seriously, WTF.
That taught me a lesson though. There are people who don't have a life and like fucking up other's lives.
It's funny all this shit happened, mainly because it's the first time I do something like that. The rest of pieces are made from scans which are free to use (because I paid for them).
From now on, I'll only post original artwork. That is to say, 100% drawn and 100% vectored by myself.
I hope my next thread gets constructive criticism from you and not a lot of ethical shit you felt like bringing up (without knowing the artist. I would understand all that if the artist was in dA and despite knowing that, I had ignored my duties).Despite everything, I had some fun with all this. It's always interesting to debate about the "property rights" of a piece and whatnot.
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You have quite the wicked sense of humour, my sir.
Just admit you lied and apologize you worthless twat.
Indirectly lying? you make me ROFL very hard. That is to say, if you ask me if I have a girlfriend and I just say no (for example: because I could be already married) I would be lying?
Your ethics go way beyond the common reasoning. When you see a piece in dA, you comment it or you favourite it because of its looks. Not because it's original art or something.
The fact you rely on the information posted by the artist shows how weak your sense of art is.
Yhea I go to art college and turning in work not your own, regardless of wether you say "LOL I MADE THIS" gets you expelled.
So please, tell us all more about "sense of art" you delusional moron.
Safety you're just wrong, you have to give credit where credit is due, I am speaking to you as a human being, this is not a personal attack; but you simply fucked up.
So um…what did you use to color it, and what textures, I'm a total coloring n00b.
Oh, good job coloring it. I do believe safety brings up a point though, as do the others on the other hand, can't we just drop this? Hope to see more FA.
Oh and whats up with that Lapras, Hitostsu?
Also, why are there so many links? Theyre all the same.
Drama at the creativity boards, who would have said it.
Its not a drama =_= Its a way of an art-stealing. It breaks the rules on dA and I would have reported him. That is all.
I dont say anything bad about his artskills - he just doesnt have a respect towards people`s work.
Safety - I do not try to act like a hero or something. I cant say anything about my artwork ( I do it just for fun and pretty much think it sucks), but my girlfriend is the best damn artist over here and there, and she gets her fanart reposted and used in different places everyday - and she feels bad about it. And lots of my good friends who are artists also feel depressed and bad when they find their artworks/sketches posted up in the internet. If I draw a fanart of One Piece - I show my love and respect towards Odas masterpiece.
When I colour a picture that was done by somebody else - I show my love and respect to the artists work, ask people on dA to go and fav the ORIGINAL picture cause it is NOT my idea neither a picture, just a SMALL contribution to it.
And I can garauntee you - Japanese people are creative enough to come up with their own ideas, not just redrawing stuff
she gets her fanart reposted and used in different places everyday - and she feels bad about it.
And lots of my good friends who are artists also feel depressed and bad when they find their artworks/sketches posted up in the internet.
If I draw a fanart of One Piece - I show my love and respect towards Oda`s masterpiece.
I told you, I would credit that artist if I knew who is him/her. That's why I was indirectly asking you to give me his dA address. I have no intention of exposing stuff I haven't made and claim it as my own. Neither I did so, since the piece I made was 100% made by me, even if I used a reference. That reference is gone. There is not a single pixel from that original sketch in my piece.
I wouldn't call it art stealing but rather idea stealing. It would be obviously punishable in the professional graphics world, but not in the amateur world. I do this for fun and to practise, not to get money. You guys are oversizing something so trivial as that.
Once again, I didn't say anything (neither I did lie) because I don't know who the author is. That's all.
I've fixed something else in the piece description. I might not know who is the dude who drew that sketch, but I know who Oda is (not in person obviously). In this case I apologise for not having included anything about One Piece and Oda till now.
I understand now why did you take it so seriously, so I'm taking back all the stuff of "you have nothing to do with all this" since emotionally wise, you're involved.
but my girlfriend is the best damn artist over here and there
I love incredible artists and I love incredible pieces. I would really love to see what kind of art does your gf make. If you don't mind, could you post here her dA url?
Oh lordy lord, I came in to this thread not expecting this.
Safety, you should have said right off the bat that you vectored/traced/whatfuckingever someone elses work. That's how things work, you were not lying, true, but you were not giving credit where credit is due. Thus, YOU ARE at fault cause you, rather it was your intention or not, fooled people into thinking you drew the original image. There were at least 2 people in this thread which said so.
Alina, you came on a bit strong. You are correct, but you could have been a little nicer about it. However, Safety, you were being very difficult so Alina's attitude was not without reason. Fact is, safety, you were being a bitch, and thus triggered more bitchiness.
Learn from this, in the future: GIVE CREDIT. You distracted me from my own picture with this. XD
Fact is, safety, you were being a bitch, and thus triggered more bitchiness.
You can't expect me to reply nicely when I get all this shit instead of the C&C I was looking for :3
Be all of you at ease, because next time something like that happens I'll say:
Thanks to unknown for this wonderful sketch from which I made the vector.
Btw, I encourage everyone to learn how to debate. The only one who debated more or less properly is Al!naJames
I've stated through my posts a lot of points that totally invalidate your accusations. None of you noticed of them, and in case you did, you gave no importance to them.
I felt like I've been debating with myself and only getting new posts from new people saying the same as the previous ones and not replying to my posts.
That's quite sad and not the way a debate is. If you're just to say just your opinion, give normal C&C. If you think you can contribute with something intelligent to the topic being discussed, then you're free to do so.
Learn from this, in the future: GIVE CREDIT.
If that will help you breath better, be at ease, I'll do so. After all, it's either your life or me writing a sentence. I think your life is much more worth than my stupid bitchy pride.
That's how things work
We learn through mistakes, don't we?
Well, this time helped me. None of you really gave me a valid point of view but just a bunch of opinions without a solid base behind them.
Despite all that, I tend to believe that when many people agree with the same, it tends to be true.
So yeah, I'll believe that crediting even if I don't know who the artist is, IS ABSOLUTELY COMPULSORY not to get in trouble.
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So yeah, Im sorry if Ive been rude, but I really do fight for the rights of artists since I live in their society.
Im glad we managed to sort it all out peacefully. And Im sorry about my english mistakes, when I write emotional posts they tend to appear… +_+
Id like to see more arts from you, Safety, I really liked your picture with the mom controlling the son and his girls. And my honey is Gege, heres her dA -> http://gegege-no.deviantart.com
And heres out thread (in case you didnt notice) -> http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=16351
Yeah, I'm sorry too. I have been an ass when there was no need to be so stubborn >.<
It will be a pleasure to +watch your gf in dA and posting my stuff here.
Please, let's forget about that little verbal fight and enjoy a peaceful forum activity :]
And I`m sorry about my english mistakes, when I write emotional posts they tend to appear… +_+
Oh please, do not worry about it. I, myself, make mistakes quite often. I was just being bitchy correcting you >.<
My deepest apologises to everyone I might have offended during this discussion.
Ah, that's nice, everyone's made up. Now embrace and kiss. Go on.
Nice vector, btw, safety.
Is this really necessary? Please cut it out, all of you involved. This is not appropriate in any way shape or form and has become down right vulgar. This needs to stop before it escalates further.
And no offense safety, but while it may be true that you are recieving inappropriate insults toward yourself, you are dishing out ones which are just as bad, if not worse. Please remember, this is a PG-13 board.
Originally Posted by Drake_Cloud
He didn't come back because he thought he could win, he came back because he's a goddamn hero and that's what heroes do.
As you can clearly deduce, I give an answer according to the level of the previous post. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. If you're a dick, so will I be… and so on.
In real life, I wouldn't give a shit and I would continue with my life without paying attention to what's been said.
However, this is different. This is the net. No names, no identity, no nothing. I won't refrain myself. I'm not a mere pawn. Besides, I don't know that dude yet he starts insulting me right off the bat?
Oh, come on...
If he is always like this, you all could have said: hey, don't pay attention to him. He's like this with everyone.
Then I would be like: alright.
You're lucky I've just been extremely disgusting in my last post. There are enough insults and disrespectful posts towards me here to make me go berserk with words.
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Is this really necessary? Please cut it out, all of you involved. This is not appropriate in any way shape or form and has become down right vulgar. This needs to stop before it escalates further.
And no offense safety, but while it may be true that you are recieving inappropriate insults toward yourself, you are dishing out ones which are just as bad, if not worse. Please remember, this is a PG-13 board.
It has already ended, Mokenda. Also, while this is a PG-13 board, cursing and the such are usually laze. As long as it's not being used extremely, like a curse every other word.
You obviously missed the post that was originally right before mine. It got deleted 
Is this really necessary? Please cut it out, all of you involved. This is not appropriate in any way shape or form and has become down right vulgar. This needs to stop before it escalates further.
And no offense safety, but while it may be true that you are recieving inappropriate insults toward yourself, you are dishing out ones which are just as bad, if not worse. Please remember, this is a PG-13 board.
So you could give a shit about the fighting and the art fraud, your just terrified of a pre-teen seeing bad words like "fuck", "dilznick", and "saucy".
ahahahahahahahahahaha
Ah no. Clearly you misunderstood.
While I do not approve of art theft, as I have been stolen from before, I find it rather ridiculous to cause this big of an uproar over. Besides, in this case they did confess they were not the original artist, which is more than I can say for a lot of the people I've dealt with.
Also, in the first of the two lines I wrote, it was a plea for ceasing of the fighting. The second was in response to line posted by safety which was particularly vulgar which has been since deleted. One which you likely missed seeing
@Deltron:
So you could give a shit about the fighting and the art fraud, your just terrified of a pre-teen seeing bad words like "fuck", "dilznick", and "saucy".
ahahahahahahahahahaha
You use pretty big words to be so small brained. Using the word fraud for something so trivial as a graphical piece made just for fun, is going way too far.
@wikipedia:
Many hoaxes are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds.
Look here, my dear stalker. I'm not getting anything out of my piece but some comments about the colouring and lineart job now stated in the piece description.
The kind of situation where you could use the words art fraud and being certainly right, would be here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90167648
If I were to step down to the same ground you inhabit, I would say you are defaming me, since I never said I made the sketch.
You lied to yourself by believing in something that was not written anywhere. I, myself, have experienced the same sort of self-deception with many other artists ( there are many cases of people who did the same as me. And are you aware of photo manipulations you worthless art student? Sometimes you can tell it's a collage, but other times everything was made using a tablet making the piece look like a photo manipulation). However, I don't go pestering them accusing them of fraud and only God knows what else is going through your mind.
If I were to gain money from this, I would understand why would you get so worked up over it. However, you're just wasting your time.
I don't give a shit about what are you saying and I don't plan on doing the same thing again (mainly because I could find other smartasses with no life like you that might become a nuisance just for the lulz).
If you're so professional you can't stand this sort of innocent trivial actions (remember, no profit is being gained from this), don't lurk teen forums. You are totally aware that people won't give a shit about what you say and in case you were to report them, they would just forget about the old account and make a new one using a proxy server. In case you were bitching for something retarded like now (since the main problem has been already debated and solved) they would continue doing the same.
That is to say, you would have wasted your energy and time for nothing.
Seriously, get a life and stop pestering me.
