Toriko

[rereboy]

This was the first fight after their complete power-up, the fight that shows us that they are ready to enter Gourmet World and fight agaisnt the beasts and human villains that they may encounter there.

So, it makes sense for this battle to show us how awesome they are now and how strong they've become. Having them be in too much trouble would work agaisnt that. We already know that the stronger characters would have no trouble at all in taking out these beasts, so it makes sense that the Kings would be able to, at least, take care of the limbs of the 4 beasts without much more trouble than this.

Also, this fight is a two-part fight, as it was mentioned. So now that it has been established just how awesome/strong they are, maybe we get a second part where they actually have more trouble in winning against the main body of the beast and whoever is controlling it.

[Nekketsu]

Not to mention the 4 beasts designs were all fanmade.

The real battle is against the main body and the mastermind in the shadows, and we're gonna get plenty of awesome and carnage, lots of carnage. With the dammned thing below were all the refugees are taking shelter, in the very center of the Human World, you know just knowing this there's gonna be lots of casualties.

[Daz]

@rereboy:

This was the first fight after their complete power-up, the fight that shows us that they are ready to enter Gourmet World and fight agaisnt the beasts and human villains that they may encounter there.

So, it makes sense for this battle to show us how awesome they are now and how strong they've become. Having them be in too much trouble would work agaisnt that. We already know that the stronger characters would have no trouble at all in taking out these beasts, so it makes sense that the Kings would be able to, at least, take care of the limbs of the 4 beasts without much more trouble than this.

You and I are viewing the consequences of training completely differently.
The way I see it: Training should allow them to defeat Gourmet World creatures
The way you see it: Training should allow them to curbstomp Gourmet World creatures with no injuries.
But either way its a win, that shows that they can handle it. But my way allows the GW beasts to get maybe a shot in, and make the fight actually entertaining and memorable instead of Look at me destroying this big high-level monster with my new powerup like it aint' no' thing! Besides, like I said: Even if you don't want to show the Kings struggling, you can still have a fight. Did Zoro have any trouble bringing down whiskey peak? No. Was it entertaining? Hell yes.

And really, how interesting would it be to see Toriko and co just steamroll their way through the GW, after all those years, after all that hype?
@rereboy:

Also, this fight is a two-part fight, as it was mentioned. So now that it has been established just how awesome/strong they are, maybe we get a second part where they actually have more trouble in winning against the main body of the beast and whoever is controlling it.

Again, let me reiterate: Before the "mastermind reveal", it was a dead certainty that the gourmet world beasts would be tough and the fights long, based on their hype, capture level and abilities - even though we knew the 4 kings had completely finished their training.
Now, absolutely none of those things have changed, but based on the one additional piece of information everyone suddenly goes "oh, the fights being this easy makes total sense"

@Nekketsu:

Not to mention the 4 beasts designs were all fanmade.

So? Fanmade designs are nothing new in Toriko. And they weren't bad designs.

@Nekketsu:

The real battle is against the main body and the mastermind in the shadows, and we're gonna get plenty of awesome and carnage, lots of carnage. With the dammned thing below were all the refugees are taking shelter, in the very center of the Human World, you know just knowing this there's gonna be lots of casualties.

Great job Ichiryu!

[Hisoga]

for me the problem is not the fight but the story itself.. its been a while since we have a proper arc with a proper story.. the last time is ice hell arc… I realize that Toriko is more popular now compare to that arc and others previous arcs but for me Toriko is not very interesting for a while now.. there is nothing for me to invest to when it come to the story except for when it was a little bit about the future arc...

saying that fighting in Naruto or One Piece or other "shonen" manga are too long is ridiculous and much more ridiculous when it use as a "lazy" excuse to defend Toriko in its current state.. i mean most of those fight at least have a "story" along with it regardless readers like it or not..

same with training arc or it short because it was after training arc so it just a showcase for the heroes to show off how strong they have become.. some readers want proper story even if it short.. not just some throw-able chapters.. but this arc is not over yet so... and i hope in gourmet world Toriko will be more interesting..

and another poor part from shima is like the Daz said is when he just throw away the "iconic" places from the previous arc just like that, just to show how freaking strong the beast from the GW and all those beast was defeated effortlessly by the heroes of the story..

[Area51]

Maybe it was like I said a few weeks ago, these Four Beasts (the limbs) are some of the weakest beast in the Gourmet World (despite their size), so that's it.
I think the best and toughest fights will be agaist the Bishokukai guys.

[Nekketsu]

People are just too accustomed to getting really long fight just because of the hype, whereas just as I said, I've read tons of hella hyped up short battles and the taste I got from them was the same of a little child being given a lolipoop.

[Gliblord]

It's NOT that the fight was "too short," it's that basically nothing happened in the fights to justify them. Like Daz said, if the chapter had been just Toriko and Coco defeating their beasts, it still would have been short, but it nevertheless might have worked fine since it'd have amounted to more than just "they show off a new move, beast instantly defeated." It's not that it's "short"–it's that it's lame. None of the new moves or abilities were particularly inspired anyway (I have every antibody now, yaaaaay), except maybe for Sunny's. There was no tension, they all killed the humanity-extinguishing monsters with zero effort.

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@Nekketsu:

People are just too accustomed to getting really long fight just because of the hype, whereas just as I said, I've read tons of hella hyped up short battles and the taste I got from them was the same of a little child being given a lolipoop.

But a series can't be nothing but lollipops; we want meat and potatoes.

[rereboy]

@The:

The way I see it: Training should allow them to defeat Gourmet World creatures
The way you see it: Training should allow them to curbstomp Gourmet World creatures with no injuries.

Why? I'm sure there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World as strong, stronger and way, WAY stronger than capture level 140. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get to see creatures with capture level 1000. And they are all in Gourmet World.

How would the kings be able to move there, live there, sleep there and whatnot, and occasionally fight against those strong as **** human villains, who make the vast majority of the beasts look docile, if they have a great deal of trouble with creatures around capture level 140?

The way you see it, being barely able to defeat these beasts, 1 on 1, automatically makes them able to move permanently to an environment filled with creatures weaker, as strong, stronger and way stronger than these, and with environmental hazards not present in the human world, and also make them start to be able to put up a fight agaisnt guys who have been living there permanently for a long time and that wouldn't have any trouble agaisnt beasts like this.

Honestly, I could only begin to think that they are ready for Gourmet World and to start fighting those villains if didn't have that much trouble fighting agaisnt beasts with capture level 140, 1 on 1, while still in the human world. Because that happened, now I feel confident that they are actually ready to move there. If they had been barely able to defeat them, I wouldn't be that sure.

[No Maam]

I for one did like the NFP fights, I'll just say I think FI needed to focus on a little more then taking down the NFP, but that's going offtopic.

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@Gliblord:

But a series can't be nothing but lollipops; we want meat and potatoes.

And pudding .

[Gliblord]

@rereboy:

Why? I'm sure there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World as strong, stronger and way, WAY stronger than capture level 140. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get to see creatures with capture level 1000. And they are all in Gourmet World.

How would the kings be able to move there, live there, sleep there and whatnot, and occasionally fight against those strong as **** human villains, who make the vast majority of the beasts look docile, if they have a great deal of trouble with creatures around capture level 140?

The way you see it, being barely able to defeat these beasts, 1 on 1, automatically makes them able to move permanently to an environment filled with creatures weaker, as strong, stronger and way stronger than these, and with environmental hazards not present in the human world, and also make them start to be able to put up a fight agaisnt guys who have been living there permanently for a long time and that wouldn't have any trouble agaisnt beasts like this.

Honestly, I could only begin to think that they are ready for Gourmet World and to start fighting those villains if didn't have that much trouble fighting agaisnt beasts with capture level 140, 1 on 1, while still in the human world. Because that happened, now I feel confident that they are actually ready to move there. If they had been barely able to defeat them, I wouldn't be that sure.

So you're saying that there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World who would be able to wipe out humanity by themselves no problem? Isn't that a bit ludicrous?

[Gokuyuske]

@Gliblord:

So you're saying that there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World who would be able to wipe out humanity by themselves no problem? Isn't that a bit ludicrous?

Nah, that makes total sense by Toriko standards. Such monsters wouldn't care about humans at all because we aren't delicious enough to be worth the trip. The Four Beasts are a problem precisely because they are the only gourmet world monsters with a high capture level that like eating humans.

[Jedi Master]

very few people have ever been to gourmet world and thats why, especially in the first time they been there, their LVL was immeasurable. The way these monsters were in the last few chapter, where they used their power to destroy an army like that, it felt much more powerful then the ones Toriko ran into in the gourmet world. I'm sure some of those ones are prob less then lvl 100 anyway, not all of them though

[Gliblord]

How many inexhaustible potatoes are there in the Gourmet World

[Big_Bad_Lith]

Y'know, I was just re-reading the Regal Mammoth and Ice Hell arcs, and holy shit are they still good. Toriko vs Tommyrod is one of my favorite fights in manga, possibly by very favorite ever. And the other fights happening nearby were good, too. I think Toriko is at its best when there are humanoid fighters. And as I've said before, I am biding my fucking time, waiting for Shimabook to get around to another glorious arc of that kinda stuff. Livebearer was crazy and all, but where's the fighting, you said there'd be fighting shimabukuro. Gourmet Pyramid had a little fight with the Nitro, which was okay. Toriko's brief fight with Chiyo was exactly that - brief.

So, in my mind, while I expected a whole lot outta these beasts, I'm also not surprised that they let me down. But whatever, let's just get to the Gourmet World, and get back to 1v1 fights with Bishoukukai.

[kewl0210]

K, well, we'll see how long the arc lasts after this. You must also take into account that we haven't seen any of the Four Beasts ACTUALLY die. The battles all get cut off with just one of the Four Heavenly Kings saying "Well, I won."
So they could even still end up alive. Or something else. The arc isn't over, is what I mean. And I really don't get all these "too short/too easy" things. The Four Beasts were first named at the end of chapter 193 and were beaten (ostensibly) in chapter 199. It wasn't a "long buildup", really. The buildup was partly to demonstrate how strong the four heavenly Kings had gotten. In a manga like Gintama it'd been over far quicker than that. The longest arc in 400 chapters of that manga is about 15-18 chapters long. But I stand by how I think the pacing's been perfect and I'm interested to see how it goes next. Most likely the "kings having trouble" stuff that people want to see will happen then. I really dislike when everyone wants to see things be really formulaic, though. It makes logical sense that they would be able to beat these beasts, so they can. The "twist" is what will happen next.

As for humans, I think the hinted next arc, the Cooking Fest, will involve some of that. Seeing as the Bishokukai are supposed to show up there. Something like the "struggle for God" which has been built up for since chapter 1, will be a lot more intense. That's gonna be in Gourmet World and involve the Nitro and all that, which should be really cool.

[rereboy]

@Gliblord:

So you're saying that there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World who would be able to wipe out humanity by themselves no problem? Isn't that a bit ludicrous?

Not at all. The chapter that talks about the 4 beasts explains how the human world is lucky for not being interesting to the gourmet world beasts. Pretty much all the gourmet world beasts that wander off to the human world are beasts that are too weak to do well in there and end up running to the human world. The 4 beasts is practically the only considered strong beast from the gourmet world that actually has a interest in the human world (since it eats humans).

But it doesn't state anywhere that the 4 beasts are even close to the strongest or how strong they are for the gourmet world. Most creatures in the Gourmet World might end up being weaker than the 4 beasts, but most creatures in the human world are weaker than a Devil Snake for example, which is "only" capture level 20 something, so…

Add to that thought the environmental hazards, the fact that there are tons of creatures there that can gang up on you (its not gonna be always 1 on 1), the nitros and the human villains... And I'd say that they really need to be able to beat beasts with this capture level without any more trouble for us to believe that they may win and achieve their goals.

[Skadi]

Kewl, did you see the picture i posted on the page 407 from the databook?

[Area51]

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[Area51]

@Gokuyuske:

Nah, that makes total sense by Toriko standards. Such monsters wouldn't care about humans at all because we aren't delicious enough to be worth the trip. The Four Beasts are a problem precisely because they are the only gourmet world monsters with a high capture level that like eating humans.

I completely agree! And that's the point!
Moreover we can't forget that one way from Gourmet World to Human World was constantly watched by Goemon and I think I'm not wrong if I say that he could take down the Four 'Limbs' in less time and with much less effort than the 4 Heavenly Kings (and this probably is valid for everyone in the 0th Biotope)
@kewl0210:

As for humans, I think the hinted next arc, the Cooking Fest, will involve some of that. Seeing as the Bishokukai are supposed to show up there. Something like the "struggle for God" which has been built up for since chapter 1, will be a lot more intense. That's gonna be in Gourmet World and involve the Nitro and all that, which should be really cool.

I super agree with this

[kewl0210]

I read the databook. There wasn't anything already known in it. It's not likely I'll scanlate it, either, for that reason. It's intensely hard to scanlate a data book, and it's pretty much just a "recap" for people who maybe forgot some of the story in Japanese.
We mgiht do the 2002 one-shot of Toriko once the work in doing volumes gets going.

[Skadi]

Yeah, i know almost everything was data we already knew, but i can´t recall if the manga gave us the specific works of the branch 1, 2, 3 and 5 of the bishokukai.
We know Cedre´s branch is on the supply procurement and Barry´s on Cookware supply, but that is. So if you can translate that tiny bit about the other four branches, i´d be grateful

[Renegadesoul]

Guys…guys...you have to remember the 4 kings are currently fighting mere limbs of the actual 4 BEASTS. The tougher opponent the one who actually controls/affects/influence the beast is still out there yohooo!...this fight is far from over. lol

[Daz]

@rereboy:

Why? I'm sure there are tons of beasts in the Gourmet World as strong, stronger and way, WAY stronger than capture level 140. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get to see creatures with capture level 1000. And they are all in Gourmet World.How would the kings be able to move there, live there, sleep there and whatnot, and occasionally fight against those strong as **** human villains, who make the vast majority of the beasts look docile, if they have a great deal of trouble with creatures around capture level 140?The way you see it, being barely able to defeat these beasts, 1 on 1, automatically makes them able to move permanently to an environment filled with creatures weaker, as strong, stronger and way stronger than these, and with environmental hazards not present in the human world, and also make them start to be able to put up a fight agaisnt guys who have been living there permanently for a long time and that wouldn't have any trouble agaisnt beasts like this.

Yeah, it's not like Toriko undergoes massive jumps in strength after each and every arc. Beating these beasts should've given the 4 kings the strenghts to take on even tougher ones, which makes them stronger yet again, and before you know it, Toriko and Co. are taking on level +200 beasts in the gourmet world, having exciting battles all along the way.I'm seriously not getting your point here. Yes, the Gourmet World propably have beasts much much tougher than these, but Toriko can't be allowed to go until he can handle them too? Luffy can't go into the new world until he's top-tier level, and won't have trouble with anythi- Oh wait, Luffy met resistance at the very first island of the new world, because thats how you write interesting fiction.Besides, would there really be any difference in the outcome if a 4-beast stomping Toriko met a level 1000 beast, compared to if "Toriko who broke a slight sweat fighting the 4 beast" did?@rereboy:

Honestly, I could only begin to think that they are ready for Gourmet World and to start fighting those villains if didn't have that much trouble fighting agaisnt beasts with capture level 140, 1 on 1, while still in the human world. Because that happened, now I feel confident that they are actually ready to move there. If they had been barely able to defeat them, I wouldn't be that sure.

Its like you think that theres no stops inbetween "Curbstomping enemy" and "Beating enemy by skin of fucking teeth". I've never said that I wanted the kings to "barely" be able to win. I used phrases like "meet some resistance", or "beasts gets in one hit". Something like Gaoh punching Toriko into a mountain, and Toriko getting a little bloodied up, letting the reader worry for a second - before Toriko goes "Wow! If I hadn't trained, that might've been troublesome!" And bouncing back like a boss. Why do you think I kept going on about fights with inferior opponents being possible to make interesting? Shima knows how to write damn good fights, be it against beasts or humans. He showed us a few weeks ago, with the samll snippets of Toriko vs Gaoh, and Coco vs Invitedeath. Yet now he just dumps it all uncerimoneously.

[rereboy]

My point is simple.

How would Toriko deal with a swarm of Gourmet World beasts (lets say, a swarm of about 60 of them) with a capture level of around, lets say, 110, while being in some very heavy gravity or some other crazy environment, if he barely managed to beat a single beast with a capture level of 140, one on one, in a normal environment?

The scenario I described is a more than likely scenario since thats basically what happened to Toriko when he tried to go to the Gourmet World, and I don't see how he would be able to get out of a situation like that, which would be a standard situation in Gourmet World, without being in risk of losing his life.

Basically, I don't see how I can consider Toriko ready for Gourmet World if even a standard, more than likely situation for Gourmet World seems to be very dangerous for Toriko. And if he barely managed to beat a beast of 140 in capture level one on one in the human world, I would still consider a standard situation like that very dangerous for Toriko.

In short, the fight against the 4 beast's limb showed us how strong and awesome Toriko has become by being able to defeat a beast like that with a few of his strong attacks (he had to use leg knife, one of his strongest techniques) and also without putting himself in danger (that trait will be important to survive Gourmet World), which I think is necessary for us to feel that a standard situation in Gourmet World, similar to the one he faced in the past, would no longer actually be life threatening for him, meaning that he is able to move to Gourmet World and start to discover its secrets. And its the same for the other Kings.

Btw, its interesting that you mentioned Luffy since One Piece actually did something similar to this. After the timeskip, Luffy quickly destroyed a pacifista like the ones from the war that were giving so much trouble even to new world pirates. He did it with a strong attack and without letting himself be in danger. That scene basically told us: "Look, now Luffy can deal with enemies like these, that could even give new world pirates trouble, quickly and even without it being life threatening for him at all, which means that he is ready for New World!"

That is pretty much what happened in Toriko. The only difference is that the enemy wasn't one from the past. But it was an enemy capable of giving trouble to the other beasts in gourmet world, like the pacifista was an enemy capable of giving new world pirates trouble.

[Nekketsu]

I read Kewl's latest post and can't help but think it isn't really over yet.

Judging by the fact the main body is located 200 m underground and the fact it needs to manipulate 4 additional monsters while being secluded in a almost unreachable place, wouldn't that mean the main body is much weaker than them? If not, why hiding there when it could kill thousands of inhabitants above him.

I dunno, but something tells me the 4 monsters will go berserk from now on.

[Area51]

But…wait...weren't the Four Limbs the decoys to drive the entire population to the center of the Human World in order to allow the 'Real Four Beast' to satisfy its hunger for human flesh? If the Real Body can control the Four Limbs I think it's implied it's stronger (maybe far stronger) than them, and the evil guy controlling it would be even (far) stroger.

[Nekketsu]

@Area51:

But…wait...weren't the Four Limbs the decoys to drive the entire population to the center of the Human World in order to allow the 'Real Four Beast' to satisfy its hunger for human flesh? If the Real Body can control the Four Limbs I thinks it's implied it's stronger (maybe far stronger) than them, and the evil guy controlling it would be even (far) stroger.

It's either that or the main body is a parasite type class.

[Area51]

Do you guys think that somebody important will die in this arc? I mean, I hope it won't happen but I have a bad feeling about Teppei…

[Sonic Youth]

Seriously? Nobody will die…

[Baldulf]

There aren't many characters in this manga to go around killing them.

[Kaba Kaba Fruit]

Hey Daz, can you get off your soapbox for a moment? I need to borrow some Irish Spring.

[Daz]

Oh! Ohohoho, good one sir who have in no way been part of the debate until now! Way to trounce my argument AND make it clear that people posting argumentation on this discussion board can expect sensible comments in return!

@rereboy:

Basically, I don't see how I can consider Toriko ready for Gourmet World if even a standard, more than likely situation for Gourmet World seems to be very dangerous for Toriko. And if he barely managed to beat a beast of 140 in capture level one on one in the human world, I would still consider a standard situation like that very dangerous for Toriko.
Btw, its interesting that you mentioned Luffy since One Piece actually did something similar to this. After the timeskip, Luffy quickly destroyed a pacifista like the ones from the war that were giving so much trouble even to new world pirates. He did it with a strong attack and without letting himself be in danger. That scene basically told us: "Look, now Luffy can deal with enemies like these, that could even give new world pirates trouble, quickly and even without it being life threatening for him at all, which means that he is ready for New World!"

Exactly as you say: Luffy beat up a re-used foe, 2 years after its initial hyping.
Toriko beat up a novel foe, immidiately following its excessive hyping.
Not comparable.

And the word I highlighted makes me wonder if you even read my previous posts at all, so since we are going in circles, I'll just repeat my view one last time:

• Just because Toriko needs to be showcased as GW ready, it doesn't mean the fights have to be gimped, or in the case of Sunny and Zebra, hardly fights at all. Why do you think I kept going on about fight choreography and "interesting battles against lesser opponents" and all that?
  Shima can write good fights. He chose not to this time.

[Law of the sea]

@Area51:

Do you guys think that somebody important will die in this arc? I mean, I hope it won't happen but I have a bad feeling about Teppei…

It does not matter if he dies the only people that matter are the 4 kings,their pet partners,rin and komatsu!

[Darker]

@Area51:

Do you guys think that somebody important will die in this arc? I mean, I hope it won't happen but I have a bad feeling about Teppei…

I don't think any of the young characters will die in this series.

[Law of the sea]

@Darker:

I don't think any of the young characters will die in this series.

he is a adult not a little kid.

[Area51]

@Law:

It does not matter if he dies the only people that matter are the 4 kings,their pet partners,rin and komatsu!

But it matters to me
And maybe more than the 4 Heavenly Kings (save for Zebra).

[MarcelloF]

@Law:

he is a adult not a little kid.

He didn't say he was?

[Kaba Kaba Fruit]

@Daz:

Oh! Ohohoho, good one sir who have in no way been part of the debate until now! Way to trounce my argument AND make it clear that people posting argumentation on this discussion board can expect sensible comments in return!

Glad to be of service.

But in all seriousness, I'm not convinced that the 4-beasts are completely defeated. I want to see what happens next chapter to make absolutely sure.

[No Maam]

Guys, can we just stop talking about that now ? It's kind of gotten old.

[FireFistAce 0]

@MarcelloF:

He didn't say he was?

Per the Databook, Teppei's 27. He's older than Toriko and Komatsu.

[igetownd]

The four-beast was fodder from the very start, even the main body. The story-telling formula is so cliche that it's a cause for reflection upon the reason an adult enjoys Shonen manga.

I continue to enjoy it because of the monster designs. I'm quite entranced by them, even though most of them are fan creations. The story is basically Dragonball, which wasn't original either (Journey to the West). The villains and heroes are rehashes of older heroes and villains, such as those from FotNS.

I know there is a riveting discussion going on here, but the Daz is points out the obvious, and he is right.

[Johnnay]

Really like the manga, but it felt like it fell into a slump awhile back that it just hasn't really gotten out of since.

I'd say around the whole Mellow Cola is when it happened but that's without being too specific. Remember liking it, Ozone Herb and Melk Stardust as well, Shining Gourami wasn't bad and I think that's around the time when they met Starjun at a bar in the middle of nowhere… but after that general stuff?

It's definitely been missing something.

[Skadi]

Where can i download the raw fanbook of Toriko?

[rereboy]

@The:

Exactly as you say: Luffy beat up a re-used foe, 2 years after its initial hyping.
Toriko beat up a novel foe, immidiately following its excessive hyping.
Not comparable.

And the word I highlighted makes me wonder if you even read my previous posts at all, so since we are going in circles, I'll just repeat my view one last time:

• Just because Toriko needs to be showcased as GW ready, it doesn't mean the fights have to be gimped, or in the case of Sunny and Zebra, hardly fights at all. Why do you think I kept going on about fight choreography and "interesting battles against lesser opponents" and all that?
  Shima can write good fights. He chose not to this time.

I read your post, I just don't agree with you at all. I disagree with you, not because I don't understand you but because I have another opinion. And I've explained my opinion on the matter so that's pretty much about all I can do.

Basically, I get your point, I just feel that its important for the story for them to win against the four beasts limbs this easily for the reasons I explained. There will plenty of opportunities for epic fights later on, especially against human opponents.

@igetownd:

The story-telling formula is so cliche that it's a cause for reflection upon the reason an adult enjoys Shonen manga.

Why? Can't an adult enjoy some fun and excitement? Does it always have to be absolutely groundbreaking and non-cliche to be immensely enjoyable? Can't an adult really enjoy Expendables II for example?

Toriko is well-made fun and entertainment. There's not much more to it, nor does it have to be. You are right in comparing it to Dragonball, I feel it has kind of a similar vibe to it, which is great to me.

[Cruithne]

@Johnnay:

Really like the manga, but it felt like it fell into a slump awhile back that it just hasn't really gotten out of since.

I'd say around the whole Mellow Cola is when it happened but that's without being too specific. Remember liking it, Ozone Herb and Melk Stardust as well, Shining Gourami wasn't bad and I think that's around the time when they met Starjun at a bar in the middle of nowhere… but after that general stuff?

It's definitely been missing something.

Excessive blatant homoeroticism?

[Cyclone_Baroness]

@Cruithne:

Excessive blatant homoeroticism?

We got plenty of that with the Couples Retreat arc Food Honor arc.

[choperman]

Jesus you do not want to get into an argument with The Daz, he's curb stomping this kid I actually want this arc to end so we can get to cooking fest, where we'll get to see so many of those chefs that were mentioned although hopefully they have better introductions then Tray King Yuda, I was expecting so much of a guy who's mentioned in the top 3 chefs with cooking king Zaus and old lady setsuno Another question, do you think all chefs fight with their knives, if so sanji would probably hate this world

[Nekketsu]

Spoilers are out, and all I can say is…

! Take that!! The 4 beasts are alive and they all head to the very center of the Human World.

[BoomerKoala]

I did not see that coming. Seriously.

[Johnnay]

@Cruithne:

Excessive blatant homoeroticism?