Ok, it sounds outrageous at first, but let me explain.
I'm not saying that they most likely will, or that Luffy would take, it but think of it.
Luffy has beaten 2 Schichibukia, the toughest Cipher pol team and countless other bounty heads. Doesn't that show about decent strentgh to become one? Or is there more to that?
Now, Luffy would probably never accept it, after declaring War and stuff.
And the Government probably wouldn't ask him right now anyway, but later on in the series when the Straw hats are a much bigger threat, I could see them trying to offer him a role.
Your thoughts on this?
Do you think the goverment has/will consider Luffy for a role of Shichibukia?
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This isn't the first time its been suggested, but yeah, if Luffy escaped 2 admirals (Kizaru and Aokiji), possibly stopped Ace's execution and maybe cooperated with a few Yonkous for stopping the execution, or possibly if someone found out he was the son of Dragon, then yeah I could see it.
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No the Government would not. Luffy is too weak, as you guys seen in the last couple of chapters.
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They probably will consider him, since he is powerful and probably feared by weaker pirates, but remember that he is also a loose canon (even more so than other shichibukai), and the WG is all about obedience.
Plus I know Luffy wouldn't accept the job, I mean his goal is One Piece, and the basis of his character is to reach his goal and protect his nakama at any costs.
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He's too weak to be an Admiral, not a Shichibukai.
Given that he's already beaten two of them, I'd say that he's within the necessary power range to be included.
In any event, Luffy is his father's son. There's no way that he'd bow down to the world givernment like that.
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This again?
But Luffy would say no anyway unless Garp and Coby really begged him to consider. Luffy would probably still say I want to become pk not a shichibukai.
And in what situation would this be possible? which shichibukai is gonna outright go out on their own to betray w/e rules were set in place to be a shichibukai and and try to rule the world or something like that?
Another thing is that all of the other shichibukai have what I would assume a reputation over many years as a pirate. Luffy is still a rookie and most pirates still don't think he's any threat especially when there are 10 other pirates the WG could consider if they wanted a rookie to be a shichibukai
It's more of a what is you reputation and possible threat to other pirates rather than how strong you are. Although he obviously has to be very strong to an extent, that's without question.
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No the Government would not. Luffy is too weak, as you guys seen in the last couple of chapters.
Lol he beat 2 Shikibukai already. He is to weak to be an Admiral and Younkou. Not to weak to be a Warlord.
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@Zik:
Another thing is that all of the other shichibukai have what I would assume a reputation over many years as a pirate. Luffy is still a rookie and most pirates still don't think he's any threat especially when there are 10 other pirates the WG could consider if they wanted a rookie to be a shichibukai
Blackbeard (purposefully) had no reputation to speak of before becoming a Shichibukai. We all know he's strong, but the only people in-story who knew he was a threat prior to the Ace thing were those who knew him personally.
Rep helps, but that can easily be subverted by doing something ridiculous.
この世に悪があるとすればそれは人の心だ。
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The only way this will be possible is if the WG really push Luffy to a corner and accepting their offer is his only way out.
Aside from that I doubt Luffy will accept…he will definitely be considered though
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No, maybe they should have after croc, but they choose a different path.
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Blackbeard (purposefully) had no reputation to speak of before becoming a Shichibukai. We all know he's strong, but the only people in-story who knew he was a threat prior to the Ace thing were those who knew him personally.
Rep helps, but that can easily be subverted by doing something ridiculous.
He is the man who defeated and then turned in the 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard pirates, "Fire Fist" Ace. Not to mention BB becoming was pre-determined depending if he came through on his proposed offer which was delivered by Laffiette. He turned in a famous pirate and most likely a huge bounty. That's why he is a shichi.
There can be exceptions to this but if you follow the members who have been in it prior what I said still stands.
Plus there is a difference between the WG coming to you and offering you the position of shichibukai and a no name pirate asking for the position and then proving himself that'd he be worthy of the role. There's a big difference.
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@Zik:
He is the man who defeated and then turned in the 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard pirates, "Fire Fist" Ace. Not to mention BB becoming was pre-determined depending if he came through on his proposed offer which was delivered by Laffiette. He turned in a famous pirate and most likely a huge bounty. That's why he is a shichi.
I know. That's the "something ridiculous" that I was talking about.
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@Fiasco.:
…he is also a loose canon (even more so than other shichibukai), and the WG is all about obedience.
I agree: this would be the main problem with them considering Luffy, just b/c he has never seemed to take the easy way or backed down at going against the Marines or WG. Also, there is the issue that I don't think Luffy would want to, just b/c (with the exception of Mihawk), every shichibukai he's met he despised b/c they were evil or simply out for power. He really doesn't want any of that (except power in the sense to protect his crew), just to have freedom on the seas.
So no, he may be strong enough (maybe) but no, he wouldn't accept, even in the off chance they did offer it.
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Plus there is a difference between the WG coming to you and offering you the position of shichibukai and a no name pirate asking for the position and then proving himself that'd he be worthy of the role. There's a big difference.
With the exception of Blackbeard, we the readers have never seen what process Mihawk, DoFlamingo, Crocodile, Moria, Jimbei, or Kuma went through to attain their position. It could be entirely possible that all of them approached the World Government about a position. In the case of Croc and Moria, this would make a lot of sense especially. Both of them seemed to have been disillusioned by their bad experiences on the Grand Line, and both of them had sufficient power to make serious trouble if they weren't reined in or killed. By agreeing to the reins, they avoided active pursuit by both the Marines and bounty hunters, which would buy them time to reorganize- which is exactly what they did.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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No, never. He is too much of a threat for the WG as a whole for him to ever be recruited to work for them. By that I don't mean that he's too strong, but that he is just way too much of a loose cannon - burning the government's flag, destroying Enies Lobby, having ties to some very powerful people - for the WG to even consider him for the position.
Also, I find it somewhat amusing but mostly sad that very few people on this forum can actually spell the word Shichibukai.
Oh, and to become a Shichibukai; Kuma, Doflamingo, Mihawk etc. all had to drop into a WG office and pick up an application, duuuuh.
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Luffy alone hasn't beaten anyone. The SH pirates beat two shichibukai. Luffy alone is nowhere near strong enough to be a Mihawk or a Kuma. Not to mention that as a character he is pretty much useless to a structured organization like the marines that is about duty, ranks and orders.
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Actually, that could be where the next chapter is leading us- maybe Kuma teleported them before the Gorosei to replace Gecko Moria. It's unlikely, but hey, we've seen crazier plot twists in One Piece (I think…).
That said, I don't think Luffy would go for it either way (though they might threaten to kill off his nakama if he disagrees with the prospect too much) and the WG might not be too keen on allowing him Shichibukai status because he (and his crew) basically declared war against everything to do with the WG at Enies Lobby, but hey, whose to say Gecko Moria, Doflamigo (spelling?) and the other Shichibukai didn't do stuff just as insane?
In summation, yeah, I think they've considered him just because he's got the strength, if not the will power, which they could always threaten him into becoming a member. It really depends on how ruthless Oda wants to make the WG, or, indeed, the WG's true motivations concerning anything.
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@_Meh_:
With the exception of Blackbeard, we the readers have never seen what process Mihawk, DoFlamingo, Crocodile, Moria, Jimbei, or Kuma went through to attain their position. It could be entirely possible that all of them approached the World Government about a position. In the case of Croc and Moria, this would make a lot of sense especially. Both of them seemed to have been disillusioned by their bad experiences on the Grand Line, and both of them had sufficient power to make serious trouble if they weren't reined in or killed. By agreeing to the reins, they avoided active pursuit by both the Marines and bounty hunters, which would buy them time to reorganize- which is exactly what they did.
The way the WG/marines reacted to the defeat of Croc and then Moria especially makes it sound as if they need them more than the shichibukai need the WG's protection. They all see themselves as pirates who get to do what they want and them being shichibukai only solidifies that.
Not to mention that the whole concept of the shichibukai is based off of the privateers during the age of piracy where the countries like england and spain offered the pirates the position of a privateer, rules consisting of not attacking the countries merchant ships but attack their enemies.
It's more likely that the WG propositioned them than the other way around. The shichibukai is basically the vital part that holds the balance in place. If they disbanded the marines would be drawn thin trying to capture those guys along with their crews, if you add in yonkou and then any other strong pirates the amrines will be ineffective. The marines with no power basically makes the WG a government with no army, no army the gov't crumbles.
I may be wrong but I think its more likely that none of the shichibukai save BB actually came up with the idea or suggested they'd be pirates for the sake of the WG.
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Luffy and co declared war on the WG.
Answer: Not a chance.
Now I will sit here and wait for Oda to prove me wrong (what, I like to be proved wrong, if I'm right it scares me).
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What emfrbl said. With what Luffy and his crew has done, I'd think that asking this guy to be a Shichibukai would be the last things on the WG's minds. They just want him put out of the picture because he keeps screwing them up.
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I think warlord fits Luffy, but more or less, he won't settle for such a flimsy title given to him by the very government he declared war on in Enies Lobby.
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To answer the question in the thread, I can definitely see the WG maybe at one point considering asking Luffy to be a Shichi.
Will Luffy accept? Nope. Not unless he has a plan to infiltrate the WG inner workings by using his Shichi pass to snoop around…if possible at all. If it's not going to help Luffy fulfill HIS dream or the dreams of his Nakama then it aint happening...but that won't stop the WG from asking since they would probably prefer 3 D's on there side rather than just 2 for now (Garp and Marshall).
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By the way Garp talks about him to Sengoku, I doubt the WG will ever consider to recruit Luffy.
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No i dont. My reasons have been stated already. I'd also like to add the fact that there's even more reason NOT to ask him when you add in his family history. His grandfather surely told other marines that he wanted luffy to become a marine and luffy plainly went against that once. And it's obvious he hasnt changed his mind. And then when you add the father. No way in hell.
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It depends on what we mean.
Do I think they've put Luffy on their shortlist of 'Shichibukai replacement candidates'? No, of course not.
But I'd imagine they at least have tossed the idea around at least once or twice, given the fact that Luffy beat two Shichibukai. Not seriously, but the thought has probably crossed someone's mind there.
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I don't think he will ever be considered for that position, because he's always been clearly hostile to the world government.
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I don't think, they will offer him the title as shichibukai. For several reasons:
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he beat two of them. That would be a sign for other pirates, that you'll simply get a shichibukai after you beat one or two of them. That would cause epic war for the 7 titles, and image how much trouble the loss of only ONE caused…
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he declared war to the WG. Neighter could they offer him, nor could he take it. That would be way to strange. Making your hostage your "crew" is never a proper way...
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If it all, he'll be a yonkou. There's no point that you can't still have the goal of becoming the PK after you got a yonkou, as Shichibukai it's more difficult (I know BB tries, but he's different from Luffy. He keeps his goals secret, Luffy would shout it out loud). Plus, he got to know his idol (Shanks) is one of them as well.
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It's way to early for him to get such an important position. And when it's time for that, he'll be too powerful to become "only" a Shichibukai. We got 7 of them, but only 4 Yonkous. That doesn't tell about real strenght, but we can think of the Yonkous as the stronger ones... Please don't say he'll not be powerful enough - everyone watching OP knows he'll be PK in the end, so there's no point in not beeing the strongest pirate alive...
But like I said, if this happens at all it will still take a lot of time.
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After luffy gets stronger he might be able to be a younkou.
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I don't think having your boy burn the World Government flag or beating up two of their guys or directly attacking them, warrants you an offer for the position.
He has already been too much trouble for them, but who knows maybe the other Shichibukai were as well, but Luffy seems pretty determined on his goal. Having to answer to the World Government or even being affiliated with them doesn't seem like something he would do or even consider. Even though it would help ultimately help him, similar to what Blackbeard did but also it would eventually have it's reprecussions which we might yet to see.
I think there are other powerful pirates out there that would gladly assume the position other than Luffy, maybe we'll see some.
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it's true that, whilst Luffy may not seem the strongest candidate to become a new shichibukai, i can see it as a possibility.
in my opinion, blackbeard has only taken up that position for selfish reasons, ie. to get closer to whitebeard (if i remember correctly the WG and shichi are going to war with him), and i can see him betraying the world government once he's taken what he's got from them. they could then ask for Luffy's help but…regardless of whether they did or didn't it's pretty obvious he wouldnt want the title.
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no no no no luffy was neva considered due to the fact he declared war against the government, destroyed a huge outpost, saved a major criminal, he's a d, he ko'd a shichibukai and the list endlessly goes on, just no
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It's obvious that the marines are giving more and more attention to the Strawhat Crew, and if all turns out well, Luffy will rescue Ace from the marines. They probably will cover up everything that will happen so far, but it's possible that Luffy may be offered the title of schichibukai later on. Of course he'll decline, but what do you guys think?
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Luffy would never be offered a position as one of the Shichibukai.
And I'm pretty sure there's a thread like this somewhere, but I searched and couldn't find it so this can stay open. If another mod or an admin finds it feel free to merge them together.
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Luffy decalred war against the Government…
"But I was made the way I am, I'm not a stone, I'm just a man…"
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i think they know that luffy is the kinda guy who won't accept the title so they won't offer it ever. garp would probably tell them it's useless if they ever tried to.
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@The:
Luffy decalred war against the Government…
Yeah, that pretty much guarantees that they wont offer him a job.
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This is never going to happen.
SO IBL 8DDDD
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I guess if Luffy continues to grow as a threat, they may see the option as a way of keeping him under control. So maybe they will one day.
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i'm so sorry but this is ridiculous! never, neva! luffy into the shichibukai, he is another class of person.
a rubber person :wub:
:wassat:
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Luffy declining is obvious, of course. As for the World Government offering? I find that highly unlikely as well. I think they'd rather execute him, which will prevent him from even breaking the rules of being a Shichibukai, if he ever DID accept.
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Luffy doesn't follow anyone's orders other than those of his own heart (or his crew mates, in whom he has the utmost confidence.) Even if he was offered the position Luffy would decline as it would require him to listen to and effectively "serve" under someone else. Remember Luffy's words: "The Pirate King is the man who has the most freedom on the ocean." (or something like that.) Shichibukai status isn't exactly very free… I mean look at Hancock, being dragged into it all to keep her precious title to protect her home island
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such a title would be meaningless for luffy and his aspirations.
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If anything, becoming a Yonko makes more sense.
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such a title would be meaningless for luffy and his aspirations.
If anything, becoming a Yonko makes more sense.
read the above qoute.
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you people who keep saying "NO WAYS WOULD LUFFY EVER JOIN THEM! WHAT ABOUT DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND NAKAMA?!" need to reread the OP, or even better, the title of the thread. However, i'll paraphrase for you: we fucking know.
this is more a discussion about the governments choices, would they want to offer him the job to try to control him, keep your enemies closer kinda deal, or will they continue to hunt him to the death, as he has declared war on them. We know that the Shichibukai are all extremely strong, threatening to the Government, and imposing over all other pirates, and Luffy is definitely quickly becoming all three
personally i won't rule out them throwing up the offer. If he continues to gain in strength (which, come on, of course he will), i can see someone in the same sort of situation as Spandam to take this cowardly route. I don't think this will be the case, but i dont think its an idea to throw out just yet
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^ AUGH, THIS.
Yeah, I almost replied with one of those NO WAY HE WILL ACCEPT comments but then I re-read the first post. So, derp. But yeah. Already put in my 2 cents earlier. -
the WG offering Luffy the title would be akin to the US government offering employment to Osama bin Laden in the cabinet or something. No way.
That would be an utterly STUPID thing to do. They know there's no way Luffy would listen to them. Blackbeard, they didn't know anything about, so they took a gamble that they could influence him to do their bidding sometimes. But Luffy? They've already declared WAR on him, for Pete's sake! No, no they will never offer him the title. They want to kill Luffy until he's dead, safe to say, at this point. =P
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After what Luffy did to the world nobles? No way.
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They might. If any Shichibukai goes down in this war.
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He defeats Arlong, saving 20 villages in the East Blue. He defeats Crocodile, saving a whole kingdom.Thus, making them find a replacement.He burns down the government flag. He defeats Moria and he punches a World Noble. It is just too embarassing for the world government. They would never offer him a role of Shichibukai.
