@onemoment:
So…what? You think he's going to get a cover story like Wapol? Where he goes through a bit of suffering and ends up becoming the richest man in the world? Cause if it's a fate involving not fighting, then hey I'm all for it.
I'd just like to see less of people suggesting that old villains would become lead villains again. It sounds stale and repetitive, plus this manga has used said old villains in different ways. I imagine Croc and Moria becoming equal players in any future arc they're in, not unlike the war arc.
Who said anything about either becoming major villains? Only thing being argued is that they both still have roles to play. Role that involve more than being instantly destroyed in a battle to prove a redundant point like the newer ally or villain is strong.
Also, would Moria have time to train after assumingly hiding from the World Government for two years? I think survival would be a bigger issue since he's such a high priority target, what with being an ex-shichibukai. But even it he did have the time, why would he? It's not like his brother died or anything. Raising another zombie army would make more sense, or is that what you meant by coming back stronger then ever? Cause Thriller Bark took 10 years to build if One Piece wiki is correct, so even assuming Moria still has Oar's corpse that's an uphill battle.
Doesn't make any sense at all to raise another army. Oda has been making the point that sitting on his ass for over a decade brooding over the death of his crew and relying entirely on others has turned him into a has been in the eyes of the major players of the world. Why wouldn't any villain want to prove his critics wrong? Seems a clear case where if a character is going to go down they will do so on their own terms. Not waiting to be forgotten or assasinated. As for time to train? Its a big ocean and the WG has bigger fish to fry with Teach on the loose and plenty of other active threats(level 6, SN, Croc, revolutionaries, more rookies, etc.)
I'm sorry, but what do you see Moria doing when he comes back into the series? Cause I imagine him fleshing out his character more while being an equal participant in whatever arc he's in, kind of like Crocodile in the war arc. Or better yet, Jimbei, a guy who displayed his abilities, developed his character, beat some people (Moria) up, yet at the climax of the story was critically wounded by Akainu. That's where I see Moria now.
You act like Croc and Jimbei's stories are done. Oda has yet to cover Croc's relation to WB and Iva, while Jimbei will obviously be playing a large role during the FI arc. These characters are only going to be getting more screentime with Moria getting the same treatment. I see Moria and Croc serving similar roles as Buggy in ID&MF. Jimbei like Mr.2, Wiper, Pauly, etc.
Also, isn't my opinion that Moria will be a failure supported by as much "information" as your opinion that he'll come back stronger then ever? I don't see the difference. It's two sides of the same coin really.
What information would that be exactly? What author hints that a character will remain static? How do you interpret a failed assasination attempt for being too weak to mean anything except fix the behavior that put him into such a position?
@Chopperman
The idea that Croc will be tough for anybody in the New World is kinda contradicted by the fact that unlike Moria we saw his full power at Alabasta. He is not like Teach who has only had his fruits for a few months or Moria attempting to go back to his prime form; Croc should already be in top form. Doesn't make sense for a 46 year old guy to increase his strength so much that he can still pose a serious threat to Luffy(and people on par) who has been through and powered up so much since Alabasta. That shits all over the main character's development. Whatever threat he poses in the future should be based on his intellect and cunning not combat power.