Shichibukai strength

[TLC]

@Stylishman:

Kuma has clearly sent them to places that they would find useful, its not coincidence that Nami ended up in an island specializing on weather. Kuma wouldn't aim at the sea clearly in this case, so there's no telling that he couldn't. Belongs on the stupid theories thread ^^

Nu uh, Whether Kuma can send people to water or not totally affects his strength. And just because he sent them to beneficial areas in the hopes of helping them doesn't mean he could have sent them to drown in the sea to kill em.

OK, New Shickibukai strength theory Hancock> or= Magellan>Luffy>Hancock (only because the stone power doesn't work on him and she's in love) Kind of like how Enel>Wiper=Luffy>Enel or Perona>Everyone>Usopp>Perona.

[espen180]

@Ganta:

Look at it this way if admirals went up against Blackbeard not knowing about his ability how would they end up, we don't know anything about their physical strength yet Blackbeard has been shown to have incredible endurance (his DF double's damage) so he can take a beating.

Admirals are properly all Logia users (don't know about the third guy) who properly have'nt been hit since they ate the devil fruit, how do we know they have an endurance as high as Luffy for instance whop is constantly fighting and taking damage.

Give Blackbeard a chance to hit him and whats to say he would'nt one shot any admiral?

This is just my thought take it with a grain of salt if you wish.

Whether BB can defeat an admiral is, in my opinion, not possible to decide on because we haven't seen how BB tackles piecing weapons yet.

During BB's fight with Ace he took a lot of damage, but it was all fire attacks. Later he took a punch from Luffy, but say he's fighting Aokiji. He can create large spears and swords of ice, and for all we know cutting and piercing weapons are very effectin against him unless he has a way to counter them.

[Vanessa]

Ace's Sacred Flame Shiranui were spears of fire, and Teach managed to get a good hit in while they pierced through and subsequently shrugging it off even before Ace manages to use Cross Flame. Then there's the whole matter of managing to injure Shanks, who all signs point to being a swordsman.

So to say piercing/cutting weapons would be an unknown factor and would automatically equal a loss is rather silly.

[MagneticMonkey]

@Ganta:

Look at it this way if admirals went up against Blackbeard not knowing about his ability how would they end up, we don't know anything about their physical strength yet Blackbeard has been shown to have incredible endurance (his DF double's damage) so he can take a beating.

Kizaru is able to kick with light speed. Which says a lot about his physical abilities.

Admirals are properly all Logia users (don't know about the third guy) who properly have'nt been hit since they ate the devil fruit, how do we know they have an endurance as high as Luffy for instance whop is constantly fighting and taking damage.

Who know if they don't train every day? They are the top tiers in the marines which means to me that they must at least have good physical abilities etc… To rely solely on the logia power would be a little boring since that would mean every weakling who eats a logia fruit in the OP world would be on admiral level...

Give Blackbeard a chance to hit him and whats to say he would'nt one shot any admiral?

The problem with BBs power is that he feels the pain. But i can imagine that too much pain can make him faint. He might endure a lot of pain but pain can also paralyse him. Inflicting a lot os pain might be the key to take him down.

[Ninjabrownie]

@espen180:

During BB's fight with Ace he took a lot of damage, but it was all fire attacks. Later he took a punch from Luffy, but say he's fighting Aokiji. He can create large spears and swords of ice, and for all we know cutting and piercing weapons are very effectin against him unless he has a way to counter them.

Yes this is true. Mihawk would make pork chops out of him.

[Sheep]

@MagneticMonkey:

Inflicting a lot os pain might be the key to take him down.

Yes, because Blackbeard is the only person in One Piece that goes down when he takes a lot pain.
Pain is his special weakness.

[Stylishman]

@Thousand:

Nu uh, Whether Kuma can send people to water or not totally affects his strength. And just because he sent them to beneficial areas in the hopes of helping them doesn't mean he could have sent them to drown in the sea to kill em.

That's a big leap in logic youre making you're making. Lending credance to every possibility that theres no evidence for would result in a lot of stupid threads/posts. It's like seriously putting forth the possibility that Nami is in love with Chopper, after all you can't prove she's not! Must be true!

We really should assume that he can, he clearly had an agenda with the SH crews locations so can't count as evidence for your point.

[TLC]

@Stylishman:

That's a big leap in logic youre making you're making. Lending credance to every possibility that theres no evidence for would result in a lot of stupid threads/posts. It's like seriously putting forth the possibility that Nami is in love with Chopper, after all you can't prove she's not! Must be true!

We really should assume that he can, he clearly had an agenda with the SH crews locations so can't count as evidence for your point.

Don't be silly. There's no leap of logic here. The fact is simple that for whatever reason he sent the Straw Hats to those islands whether it's to help or not, it has no bearing on whether he could send people into the sea or not.

[MagneticMonkey]

@iSheep:

Yes, because Blackbeard is the only person in One Piece that goes down when he takes a lot pain.
Pain is his special weakness.

No?
My post was suggesting a weakness of BB. Someone who has such a powerful DF must have a weak point. And pain might be one. Of course the others have it. Unless you have a mysterious "haki" technique you won't be able to fight logia if you are not the natural opponent. That was my point. Logias are super powerful and can disperse if you attack them. BB can attract them grab them and punch them. Yes they will feel pain and might also faint from it. But we're now discussing how to harm BB and how to knock him down. He wasn't injured (i mean bleeding etc…) from Aces attacks. But he felt the pain. That might be the key!

It is not his special weakness it is (imo) a valid weak point.

[Stylishman]

@Thousand:

Don't be silly. There's no leap of logic here. The fact is simple that for whatever reason he sent the Straw Hats to those islands whether it's to help or not, it has no bearing on whether he could send people into the sea or not.

So there's NOTHING to suggest he can't. Theories are usually backed up with some form of evidence, especially if they defy common sense You might be right and i've got nothing against you, but it's abit out there.

[Sheep]

@MagneticMonkey:

No?
My post was suggesting a weakness of BB. Someone who has such a powerful DF must have a weak point. And pain might be one. Of course the others have it. Unless you have a mysterious "haki" technique you won't be able to fight logia if you are not the natural opponent. That was my point. Logias are super powerful and can disperse if you attack them. BB can attract them grab them and punch them. Yes they will feel pain and might also faint from it. But we're now discussing how to harm BB and how to knock him down. He wasn't injured (i mean bleeding etc…) from Aces attacks. But he felt the pain. That might be the key!

You don't get it, do you? It isn't a weakness because every one is affected by pain, when they get hit. It's bullshit to call this a weakness of Blackbeard. He's the same as every non-logia user.

[MagneticMonkey]

@iSheep:

You don't get it, do you? It isn't a weakness because every one is affected by pain, when they get hit. It's bullshit to call this a weakness of Blackbeard. He's the same as every non-logia user.

So if i say: "using the pain weakness of human body" is the key to take down BB. Would you agree with that?

[flandrian15]

You don't get it, do you? It isn't a weakness because every one is affected by pain, when they get hit. It's bullshit to call this a weakness of Blackbeard. He's the same as every non-logia user.

except for the fact that is was stated that Blackbeard takes in pain even more then others so it would take a blow that is twice as weak to defeat BB then anyone with the same fysical strenght (and stamina) off course.

[Sheep]

@MagneticMonkey:

So if i say: "using the pain weakness of human body" is the key to take down BB. Would you agree with that?

It's the key to take down absolutely everybody.

[MagneticMonkey]

@iSheep:

It's the key to take down absolutely everybody.

And therefore it makes it not a valid argument when discussing how to take down that guy? What's your point!?

[Sheep]

Because It's stupid. You don't need to mention it, because it's so fuckin' obvious.

[MagneticMonkey]

I'm proud of being captain obvious if i fail to see what kind of techniques or fighting style will harm BB.

Ace can shoot non stop fire lances on him while he is struggling with the pain –--> instant win. But that will, i reckon, be a boring fight.

[Ninjabrownie]

^^ And Magellan's painful poison did put BB out for the count.

@Stylishman:

We really should assume that he can, he clearly had an agenda with the SH crews locations so can't count as evidence for your point.

This, its been argued over and over. I don't get the position that Kuma was deliberately helping them by sending them to training places.

Zoro to an empty, spooky island.
Robin straight into custody.
Luffy to a place where every man gets killed by a deranged feminist psycho bitch on a power trip.

Looking at it from where they would want to go just makes more sense.
Zoro, nothing, empty mind -> last known location: Perona
Brooke -> worship and pants
Nami -> weather, world map
Chopper -> still scarred from his childhood, deep down desires a place where animals rule over humans
Franky -> wants to build stuff/become stronger cyborg
Luffy -> still needs to get out of that jungle
etc.

[Sheep]

@MagneticMonkey:

I'm proud of being captain obvious if i fail to see what kind of techniques or fighting style will harm BB.

Magellan is a good example, and It's even cannon!
@Ninjabrownie:

^^ And Magellan's painful poison did put BB out for the count.

Magellan's painful poison would put anybody out for the count.

[MagneticMonkey]

@iSheep:

Magellan is a good example, and It's even cannon!

Let's think about a match between ace and Magellan. Just who do you think will win? One fire lance in the heart and magellan is out. Unless we see more about the DF protection cancellation technique the only thing we saw is that BB still feels the pain from the attacks while having a logia DF.
I'm discussing how to take down BB. From what we've seen in this manga. Even if pain is obvious it is an argument to use. Logias have the ability to turn into their elements and escape from attacks. BB doesn't have that ability which is a - point.

[Sheep]

@MagneticMonkey:

Let's think about a match between ace and Magellan. Just who do you think will win? One fire lance in the heart and magellan is out. Unless we see more about the DF protection cancellation technique the only thing we saw is that BB still feels the pain from the attacks while having a logia DF.

Ace could win, because his fruit gives him the possibility to hurt Magellan without touching him.
And I really don't want to talk about how Pain affects Blackbeard. I made my point clear. Pain is in no way Blackbeard's weakness, no matter how you look at it.

[MagneticMonkey]

Logias have the ability to escape from your attacks making them "immune" to pain the opponent wants to inflict. BB doesn't have this ability which is a - point. He is a logia and doesn't have the abilty to escape the attacks with his DF.
Some of his body weak points aren't protected by his DF. These weak points are open now to every opponent who is smart enough to notice this and use it. That's my point even if i'm captain obvious.

[Ninjabrownie]

@iSheep:

Magellan's painful poison would put anybody out for the count.

If it wasn't painful it wouldn't have taken him out

No jokes you're right. Imo Magellan is just one the worst foes for BB, he gets dosed in poison and suffers the effects but I still think his DF cancels out the effects on his actual life. He just feels the pain. But Magellan can't take him out, unless he sealed the deal with sea cuffs. Otherwise BB will be up again soon.

[onemoment]

Blackbeard's weakness is being hit with enough punches to the head until he's knocked unconscious. It's incredibly simple. Every fighter doesn't need a weakness to be beaten.

Also, the whole "BB's fruit only makes him feel pain" is wide spread rumor. His fruit just doesn't defend him from damage. He takes it just like anyone else, it's just that he had super human stamina. Please don't ruin something as awesome as a man's endurance to pain by blaming it on a devil fruit. I can't name specific examples, but it's part of pirate mythology to have men endure incredible injuries.

And calling Magellan BB's weakness is just silly .

@MagneticMonkey:

I'm proud of being captain obvious if i fail to see what kind of techniques or fighting style will harm BB.

Ace can shoot non stop fire lances on him while he is struggling with the pain –--> instant win. But that will, i reckon, be a boring fight.

If Ace could shoot non stop anything then he could win. It's a bad argument since every fighter has an opening after attacking.

[MagneticMonkey]

BB just took 2 fire lances right in the chest. Every other normal opponent would die? Where would stamina helps if your 2 lungs are pierced?

If Ace could shoot non stop anything then he could win. It's a bad argument since every fighter has an opening after attacking.

Ace standing 20 meters from BB using his fire logia attacking BB. Where is the opening? Let's say he shoot a fire lance. I don't see where the opening would be?

[Steven D. Teach]

One Piece is about pirates who eat mystical fruits that make their bodies do wacky things. Normal repercussions of bodily harm don't always apply.

As for how stamina and endurance would help…umm...by letting you endure that?

Despite the explanation we were given, I don't think a full understanding of Blackbeard's fruit has been reached. "The power of the devil" or whatever he calls it, is extremely vague. He could mean that it's power evil in nature, or he could be alluding to the super-human strength and endurance a lot of us suspect him of possessing.

[Ninjabrownie]

@onemoment:

Please don't ruin something as awesome as a man's endurance to pain by blaming it on a devil fruit.

Women have greater tolerance to pain, so its not THAT awesome really.

About BB, yeah its a rumour.

[TLC]

@Stylishman:

So there's NOTHING to suggest he can't. Theories are usually backed up with some form of evidence, especially if they defy common sense You might be right and i've got nothing against you, but it's abit out there.

Erm the point is that whether it's true or not affects his strength so it DOES belong in this thread. And how does it defy common sense? The opposite is more likely. If Kuma could send people into the sea, not only does it make his devil fruit way too uber broken but it totally defeats the logic of a devil fruit ability being negated by the sea.

[Stylishman]

@Thousand:

Erm the point is that whether it's true or not affects his strength so it DOES belong in this thread. And how does it defy common sense? The opposite is more likely. If Kuma could send people into the sea, not only does it make his devil fruit way too uber broken but it totally defeats the logic of a devil fruit ability being negated by the sea.

Yeah I know it technically belongs here ^^ why not both threads?
Well to make assumptions separating Kuma from every other person in the manga doesn't seem so sensible. He's not touching the sea is he?? The only mark he makes on the 'landing site' is the paw print from the air pressure he used to send them there. Last I checked, air can touch the sea. The air he uses wouldn't be infused with the fruit as the only part involving the fruit was shooting them off there. Is this enough of an explanation? And there are already some people with amazing abilities, eg enel can kill you by touching you.

[onemoment]

@MagneticMonkey:

BB just took 2 fire lances right in the chest. Every other normal opponent would die? Where would stamina helps if your 2 lungs are pierced?

Ace standing 20 meters from BB using his fire logia attacking BB. Where is the opening? Let's say he shoot a fire lance. I don't see where the opening would be?

I think you saw where the opening was last time they fought.

[Stylishman]

@Ninjabrownie:

^^ And Magellan's painful poison did put BB out for the count.

This, its been argued over and over. I don't get the position that Kuma was deliberately helping them by sending them to training places.

Zoro to an empty, spooky island.
Robin straight into custody.
Luffy to a place where every man gets killed by a deranged feminist psycho bitch on a power trip.

Looking at it from where they would want to go just makes more sense.
Zoro, nothing, empty mind -> last known location: Perona
Brooke -> worship and pants
Nami -> weather, world map
Chopper -> still scarred from his childhood, deep down desires a place where animals rule over humans
Franky -> wants to build stuff/become stronger cyborg
Luffy -> still needs to get out of that jungle
etc.

Some are not known about yet, though they may well become seen as useful as more gets known. Robin has been sent to a 700 year old construction site of the WGs. Thats her sort of thing.
And to support this on a more fundamental level, Kuma has some connection to Dragon (and vicariously, Luffy). Plus, if he wanted them dead, he could have just left them to die at the hands of the other pacifista and the broadaxe guy. Or just killed them himself, he's certainly able to. He made a special effort to send them around the world, saving their lives, to convenient places. Even ones that don't seem so useful could have been, based on cover stories which Oda is using to play the stories out it seems. Ussop was seen to be training with Hercules, or so I assume.

Kuma has no way to know about their desires of where to go. For example Choppers past would be a mystery of sorts to him, the marines still think hes a pet. He didnt ask most of them where they would like to go. Nami would probably be more interested in a treasure island with oranges than a weather island. This weather island relates to her battle abilites, which Kuma could discern from the rumours and actually fighting the crew.

wow long post ^^

[Sheep]

@onemoment:

And calling Magellan BB's weakness is just silly .

It isn't is weakness, but his fighting style just isn't made for someone like Magellan. The problem is, as long as you need to touch Magellan, you're done for. Magellan is just in general a really bad enemy for everyone who uses his bare fists and feet.

[Ryuksgelus]

No he's clearly Admiral level like Enel. Thats why he beat Luffy&Iva. Nothing to do with the fact both are brawlers.

[nintouryu]

I don't know if anyone ever said this before, but I have another theory about kuma's power.
We know that vegapunk use/copy kizaru ability to give pacifista a laser ability. What if, he(vegapunk) also use kuma's ability?! Remember how he repel all fatigue and battle damage from luffy body. What if Kuma can repel devil fruit power and give it to things. For example, Mr.4's dog and spanda elephant sword. Now I'm not saying that he can repel devil fruit power from people, but from the devil fruit itself.

[Sheep]

Nothing to do with the fact both are brawlers? You can tell that yourself If you want. The whole point about Magellan is that you can't touch him. Remember chapter 534 (Luffy vs. Magellan)? Luffy is a very talented fighter, but even he couldn't do anything after the first time he hit Magellan. Luffy was doomed after touching him.
I'm not saying that this is the only reason Magellan beat Luffy, but still a very important one. What can any brawler do against something like this? The whole point of being a brawler is to beat the living shit out of your opponent. If you can't do that, you can do nothing.

[onemoment]

@Ryuksgelus:

No he's clearly Admiral level like Enel. Thats why he beat Luffy&Iva. Nothing to do with the fact both are brawlers.

Any admiral would beat Enel like a red headed step child. Besides, what's so important with labeling Magellan as "admiral level." He's the warden of Impel Down. He's whatever that level is.

Lastly, does beating Luffy really prove that? Luffy only lost when he tried attacking him. It's a bit different from his past defeats. For example, Ao Kiji beat Luffy in mid air, right after he tried his strongest attack of the time. Isn't that a bit more impressive? It seems like that takes more skill to do. Really, Magellan, like many past villains, seems like a worse enemy to Luffy then the other antagonists of the series. His ability is most difficult for Luffy to defeat, but against other people it's not such a bad match up.

[Zkaiser]

@onemoment:

Any admiral would beat Enel like a red headed step child. Besides, what's so important with labeling Magellan as "admiral level." He's the warden of Impel Down. He's whatever that level is.

Lastly, does beating Luffy really prove that? Luffy only lost when he tried attacking him. It's a bit different from his past defeats. For example, Ao Kiji beat Luffy in mid air, right after he tried his strongest attack of the time. Isn't that a bit more impressive? It seems like that takes more skill to do. Really, Magellan, like many past villains, seems like a worse enemy to Luffy then the other antagonists of the series. His ability is most difficult for Luffy to defeat, but against other people it's not such a bad match up.

Give me someone else. Hard Mode: No Admirals.

[junte86]

good match for Magellan will be Ace and Enel as they might not be affected bv the poison of Magellan.although Magellan might be able to use poison cloud to affect their lung and than it might be an endurance battle, Moria with his shadow ability also seems a good match for Magellan, and Doflamingo if he can control Magellans body, and Croc if he goes to a long range battle using Desert sandstorm and Desert Spada or La Spada and Pesado.
Kuma Might be able to reflect his poison and teleport around Magellan and attack him with his mouth cannon or air bomb.

[Zkaiser]

I got owned. :sad:

[They call me D]

@junte86:

and Croc if he goes to a long range battle using Desert sandstorm and Desert Spada or La Spada and Pesado.

Too bad he cant use them now else he will slice open the walls and flood ID. Maybe once they get to the top level though…

[Ninjabrownie]

@Stylishman:

Some are not known about yet, though they may well become seen as useful as more gets known. Robin has been sent to a 700 year old construction site of the WGs. Thats her sort of thing.
And to support this on a more fundamental level, Kuma has some connection to Dragon (and vicariously, Luffy). Plus, if he wanted them dead, he could have just left them to die at the hands of the other pacifista and the broadaxe guy. Or just killed them himself, he's certainly able to. He made a special effort to send them around the world, saving their lives, to convenient places. Even ones that don't seem so useful could have been, based on cover stories which Oda is using to play the stories out it seems. Ussop was seen to be training with Hercules, or so I assume.

Kuma has no way to know about their desires of where to go. For example Choppers past would be a mystery of sorts to him, the marines still think hes a pet. He didnt ask most of them where they would like to go. Nami would probably be more interested in a treasure island with oranges than a weather island. This weather island relates to her battle abilites, which Kuma could discern from the rumours and actually fighting the crew.

wow long post ^^

Its true that he prevented them from getting captured by the Marines. And about Nami for instance, it could have been deliberate. The thing with that idea is that you would have to assume he wanted Luffy dead. Boa doesn't play. He also said to Luffy that its the last time they would be seeing each other. Or I don't know, it could have been a Garp kind of move, survival game to see if he's worthy.

About not knowing their desires, I don't think you can conclude that. He did ask Perona and Moria. But he also pushed all the pain/damage out of Luffy's body. His ability did that. Pain go there. So why couldn't it be the same for his monstrous bitch slap? He pushes the body to where the heart deep down desires to be. And he'd rather ask because if someone desired to be at sea, or dead or w/e, that's it for them.

End of the day we don't know, I just like the idea that the choices for each character aren't purely for plot development, but arise naturally from their nature.

[igetownd]

@Zkaiser:

I got owned. :sad:

http://www.papayalovers.com/papayas.jpg

Anyway…

You know, if Blackbeard and his crew come out completely unharmed, then Blackbeard is also a good counter to Magellan.

Garp is also a good counter to Magellan imo. Then again, I'm more of an ideas person than fact person when thinking about characters.

Then again, when things get complicated and vague, I can't tell the difference between idea and fact.

[Ryuksgelus]

@onemoment:

Any admiral would beat Enel like a red headed step child. Besides, what's so important with labeling Magellan as "admiral level." He's the warden of Impel Down. He's whatever that level is.

Lastly, does beating Luffy really prove that? Luffy only lost when he tried attacking him. It's a bit different from his past defeats. For example, Ao Kiji beat Luffy in mid air, right after he tried his strongest attack of the time. Isn't that a bit more impressive? It seems like that takes more skill to do. Really, Magellan, like many past villains, seems like a worse enemy to Luffy then the other antagonists of the series. His ability is most difficult for Luffy to defeat, but against other people it's not such a bad match up.

Nice to see I got people post common sense instead of "Magellan>>>>>Lucci&Moria, rape Zoro and =Admiral cuz he took down LUffy&Iva(like he isn't coming back with a big ass smile raining on Magellan's parade) dur dur dur. Horrible match-up for Luffy and Brawlers in general. People putting Magellan a tier ahead of Luffy and believing Magellan believes he can run through a guantlet of strong fighters to Luffy is flawed thinking.

[Zkaiser]

@igetownd:

http://www.papayalovers.com/papayas.jpg

I don't get it.

Anyway…

You know, if Blackbeard and his crew come out completely unharmed, then Blackbeard is also a good counter to Magellan.

That depends on if Blackbeard is the reason they came out unharmed. I have a pet theory that Shiryu gave them the antidote to Magellan's Hydra.

Garp is also a good counter to Magellan imo. Then again, I'm more of an ideas person than fact person when thinking about characters.

Garp is obviously a hand to hand fighter and while we do know that he is strong we also know that Magellan isn't a bitch when it comes to phyical attacks as witnessed by his fighting stance against Ivankov and that fact that he was able to take Ivankov's "Hokuto Hyakuretsuken" I'm starting to believe that Ivankov is also a tribute to Kenshirou, just instead of pressure points he uses hormones.

"You're already a woman"

Then again, when things get complicated and vague, I can't tell the difference between idea and fact.

I agree.

[igetownd]

Magellan vs::

Shichibukai:
Blackbeard -He got owned. But not really.
Doflamingo -beats Magellan if he can control Magellan's bowels
Hancock -OHKO
Jimbei -can hurt Magellan, but at huge disadvantage on land.
Crocodile -will lose if poison dissolves sand
Kuma -Kuma's pretty much invincible. Plus, he gets upgrades.
Moria -they can fend off each other's attacks. Unless Moria does something stupid like Shadows Asgard.
Hawkeyes -wins.

Marines:
Garp -wins. He's Chuck Norris.
Sengoku -probably wins. dunno. then again, pwngoat.
Aokiji -freezes Magellan. He wins.
Kizaru -fries Magellan. He wins.
Akainu -ah, Clifford? Otherwise, dunno.
(Oh no. Aokiji=SubZero, Kizaru=Scorpion, Magellan=Reptile, Smoker=Smoke. So they're equal :P)
Smoker -can't affect each other.
Other marines -nah

Pirates:
Strawhats -Magellan wins.
Supernova -Magellan wins, except Apoo. Apoo wins if his music works, otherwise Magellan.
Van Augr -Magellan wins
Burgess -Magellan wins
Doc Q -Magellan wins
Laffitte -Magellan wins
Buggy -
Alvida -poison slips off. She wins.
Bellamy -he wins. j/k
Arlong -Magellan wins.
Kuro -Magellan wins.
Kreig -Magellan wins.
Foxy -Magellan wins.
Perona -she wins
Absolom -he loses
Shanks -He wins.
Whitebeard -He wins.
Ace -he can win.
Rayleigh -He wins.

Other:
Enel -he wins
Enel's priests -they lose
Dragon -I'd put my bets on Dragon
Ivankov -he loses, evidently
Inazuma -loses, too
Shandians -they lose
Male CP9 -Magellan wins
Califa -she wins. Soap washes away poison. But then again, soap is also a poison. Magellan gets a crush on her. Feeling is not mutual.
Morgan -um, this is really hard to decide
Mr. 5 -he sucks
Ms Valentine -she loses
Ms Goldenweek -she loses
Ms Merrychristmas -she loses
Ms Doublefinger -she loses
Mr. 4 -he loooooooooses
Galdino -can't beat the warden, but can try his luck
Bon-chan/Bentham -sorry Bon-boy
Mr 1 -proof of Magellan melting iron & steel
Chaka -Magellan wins
Pell -Pell wins
Dalton -Magellan wins
Wapol -can he eat poison? Magellan wins
Chessmarimo -Magellan wins
Demon beasts -Magellan
Sadi-chan -Magellan
Saldeath & Bluegori -Magellan
Hannyabal -Magellan wins, but "I will become Chief Warden!!!"
Shiryuu -dunno
Magellan -Uh, he loses?
Oda -SBS
[hide]Jesus -
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; _where there is injury, pardon;_where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. _O Divine Master,_grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love; for it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life. He wins. Amen.
Bruce Lee -
Question: What are your thoughts when facing an opponent?
Bruce: There is no opponent.
Question: Why is that?
Bruce: Because the word ''l'' does not exist.
A good fight should be like a small play…but played seriously. When the opponent expands, l contract. When he contracts, l expand. And when there is an opportunity... l do not hit...it hits all by itself (shows his fist).
Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.
Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend.
The highest technique is to have no technique. My technique is a result of your technique; my movement is a result of your movement.
A good JKD man does not oppose force or give way completely. He is pliable as a spring; he is the complement and not the opposition to his opponent’s strength. He has no technique; he makes his opponent's technique his technique. He has no design; he makes opportunity his design.
One should not respond to circumstance with artificial and "wooden" prearrangement. Your action should be like the immediacy of a shadow adapting to its moving object. Your task is simply to complete the other half of the oneness spontaneously.
In combat, spontaneity rules; rote performance of technique perishes.
Do not be tense, just be ready, not thinking but not dreaming, not being set but being flexible. It is being "wholly" and quietly alive, aware and alert, ready for whatever may come.
The danger of training with the heavy bag is that it doesn't react to one’s attack and sometimes there is a tendency to thoughtlessness. One will punch the bag carelessly, and would be vulnerable in a real situation if this became a habit.
In JKD, one does not accumulate but eliminate. It is not daily increase but daily decrease. The height of cultivation always runs to simplicity.
In primary freedom, one utilizes all ways and is bound by none, and likewise uses any techniques or means which serves one's end. Efficiency is anything that scores.
A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard.
The main characteristic JKD is the absence of the usual classical passive blocking. Blocking is the least efficient. Jeet Kune-Do is offensive; it's alive and it's free.
Bruce Lee is f*cking AWESOME
Rick James -I'm Rick James, Bitch.
Kyle Broflovski -FFFFUCK!
Superman -Magellan produces Kryptonite. Somehow.
Verizon Wireless -
Magellan: This place is a Dead Zone. Your voice will be unheard. Your calls unanswered. Your pleas ignored. Your fate sealed.
Inmate: But I've got the Verizon Network.
Verizon guy: We're good!
Magellan: Oh. slaughters all of them[/hide]

[Zkaiser]

Magellan vs Logia User:

1. Chloro Ball - Enemy disoriented.
2. Hydra - Enemy immobilized.
3. Fatal Poison - Enemy dead.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[igetownd]

@Zkaiser:

Magellan vs Generic Logia User:

1. Chloro Ball - Enemy disoriented.
2. Hydra - Enemy immobilized.
3. Fatal Poison - Enemy dead.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

Fixed.

Don't assume all Logias fight alike.

[Zkaiser]

No. That combo should work against any logia he comes across. Actually it should work against everyone he come across. I don't think that anyone can fight through tear gas.

[igetownd]

@Zkaiser:

No. That combo should work against any logia he comes across. Actually it should work against everyone he come across. I don't think that anyone can fight through tear gas.

Aokiji freezes gas and liquids, and people.
Kizaru teleports away and shoots from afar.
Smoker, yeah I can see him not doing well.
Crocodile, also struggling.
Enel blasts the poison gas away and fries him with lightning. Teleports away from liquids. Shoots lightning through the conductible poison. Mantra evades poison.
Ace blasts poison away, gas or liquid. But he may not win actually.

[MagneticMonkey]

So you're assuming (unless it was said somewhere in the manga or in sbs or in a special book) that logias are only able to transform and stay into their element for a few seconds?