Your entire post is based off of your excessive opinion. I cannot argue with that, and I have done what I could to show you that there are other possibilities, so I give up. Here is a lovely montage from fight #2 and fight #3 though:
Read: I lost the argument, so instead of trying to use stupid arguments as I did in the past 4 posts, I'l say "You're impossible to have your opinion changed" and run away.
[[I]quote] + Luffy's Successful Hits:
+ Croc's Successful Hits:
Is this supposed to prove anything against what I said?
Oh that's right, its not, its just so that Luffy seems cooler, which certainly proves my argument wrong, you know, the one where I say that if Crocodile didn't underestimate Luffy, he would've won.
That just shows Luffy hitting Crocodile, I also like you avoiding battle 1.
Why are the Crocodile vs. Luffy, and Moria vs. Luffy arguments still going strong? Crocodile lost, end of story. Moria lost, end of story. What is there still to gain? Luffy won; not necessarily because of overwhelming skill but because he was IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME–or what I like to call PIS/CIS/PNJ! No matter how many times any of you try to spin the truth--or fanboyism--the truth still stands that Luffy won both of those fights
Fortunately, the argument was saying that if Crocodile and Moria didn't underestimate Luffy, he would be dead by now.
So… that post was pointless
stop trying to degrade the integrity of this debate, its good….........but lengthy with no sure winners in site
conclusion: everyone will just have to give up or agree on some middle ground..lol
I am pretty known in other forums for 2 things:
-When I think I'm wrong, I admit I'm wrong and change my opinion.
-When I think I'm right, the only way to stop my arguing is to have them giving up or me banned of the thread/forum.
So, yeah… I won't give up, don't worry about that.
Besides, its just so obvious that I'm right on this one that it will fuel this thread for years.
yes Luffy was the better fighter but isn't obvious why croc lost? he was limited to a small amount of moves due to the fact he was in a tomb and not the dessert, dont you agree?
Crocodile had the advantage in that area, Ground of Death and Luffy and Cobra would've died due to ceilling falling even faster, while Crocodile wouldn't die.
but he still got hit, that weapon seems reserved as a final blow like
before, if he had other available moves the perhaps he could have worn Luffy down enough to administer it more effectively. Luffy is lucky to have held that battle in that arena….
He had other moves, a lot of them, actually.
Desert Spada, Sarbles, Desert Gyrassole would probably trap him, altough not as powerfully as in the First Battle, of course, barchan, Sarbles Pesado, and then the Hook.
He could've used them all easily, yet he didn't.
so basically then it came down to nico robin betraying crocodile, if this didn't happen then there would have been a different outcome.yes?
It would also have a different outcome if Crocodile didn't underestimate Crocodile.
the fight was close, even though he picked his crew their main skills had no meaning in this fight, only their physical strengths, again you have to consider that nico robin betrayed crocodile, if this didn't happen then she may have been able to overcome the rest of the crew, they were all beat up so i wouldn't think it too unlikely.
This battle was indeed mostly about Physical strenght.
Which is funny, cause Crocodile is a Logia, yet he didn't use none of his attacks, and he could've easily.
no because it wasn't fair, crocodile fate rested upon two things
1. nico robins betrayal
2. the sand-less surrounding that limited croc to only a small handful of moves
1 Even with Nico Robin helping him, Crocodile could've won easily in the third battle.
2 This statement is ridiculous, he doesn't need to be close to sand to use his attacks (except Desert Gyrasole in fully extent), and even if he did, he could just do that Ground Death thing.
if these two things hadn't hindered him then i think Luffy would have lost
Those things were ants to Crocodile.
His underestimation and desesperation was what made him lose
No, I don't. If you read all three fights they had, he doesn't really use that many attacks, and Luffy just dodged them all anyway when they were used. In the final match, Crocodile still uses quite a few of his moves he had shown in prior fights. We cannot really argue much else.
I ask you: Why didn't he use many attacks when it was very possible for him to use?
Also, you're comparing a Hook attack with a Desert Spada and a Barchan, that's not healthy.
Also, while in the Hook, he would have been surviving for some minutes, in Barchan, his arm would go immediatly to mummy.
Another thing–they are just opinions, are they not? Stop insulting one another and just listen to what eachother has to say. Will it hurt you? And when/if you have a disagreement point it out, but please do not degrade and defame that person's opinion because it is their right (especially if you sound like a complete and total idiot). After you have given your disagreement, if that person (s) still does not agree with you, drop it. There is no reason to continue any longer.
Who insulted who?
Also, this is not just strictly opinions pulled from our ass.
Its opinions based on facts (well, mine at least)