I don't see Moria, Absalom and hogback as out of the picture yet seen as Hogback states the 'this is no time for Moria to be lying around' and Absalom is still looking for a wife.
Do you think we'll see a vague return to power of these three? Maybe in the main story rather than just a cover story?
Since the World Government wants him to continue his job as a Shichibukai, I'd imagine we'll be seeing him in the soon to come battle against Whitebeard
yeah.. but Moria lost most of his power after all… Odz alone was mid Shichibukai level, nevermind Perona who was quite a dangerous person - so i won't expect them to play a major role in the future story
I think they'll get a cover story at one point…
I wonder if Moria might appear when or if the Strawhats encounter Kaidou.
Maybe. I would see that Moria will be present at fighting Whitebeard.
They'll probably be mentioned when meeting Kaidou - but Oda has written them out of the battle oriented part of the series by removing Morias power
Moria's powers aren't gone :/?
I don't think of the zombies as Moria's strength level. He didn't use it when he was a famous pirate who got his Shichibukai status.
The biggest error in Moria's strategy was to give the combat out of his hands. When facing low-tier enemies, its ok.
Like most fallen villians in OP Moria might learn from his wrong strategy.
And don't forget: Luffy never fought a zombie! He did one blow to Oz, thats it. Luffy was only fighting Moria, and without the Nightmare Luffy powerup, the strawhats would have lost.
All strong techniques we saw from Moria weren't related to Zombies:
I don't see Moria as a brawler, but he alone, not his zombies, is one of the Shichibukai. His strenght lies in his brains and his evil tactics. Personally, i see the Shichibukai as a balanced party of Pirates. Even Crocodile was not to be taken lightly! I don't think you can think in tiers… for the World Government choses them from the fear and respect they emit!
He has a 20+ feet body, he can hold an adult in his hands, he can mess with his enemies bodies, he can defend and attack with his own Doppelganger, he can dissolve and switch position with his Doppelganger (logia like).... Most people see a super-destructive badass Bartholomew Kuma as a lot harder to take out than a Gecko Moria... but he lurked in the Florian Triangle for 10 years and is still a feared member of the Shichibukai!
All his zombie affection lead him on the wrong path of lazyness... now, without them and a crushing defeat in his mind, we will see a new Gecko Moria who might fight more for himself with less arrogance and who upgrades his abilities.
(The DF abilities can be mastered in many ways… don't forget that, his path was hardly everything a shadow-man can do!)
The DF abilities can be mastered in many ways… don't forget that, his path was hardly everything a shadow-man can do!)
Problem is thats what everybody does. I disagree that Moria is not a Brawler. If anything that was his original strategy. Using his crewmates(plus civilian&defeated enemies) shadow's to enhance his already high physical strength to rampage from island to island.
He went from Reckless Rampaging Boogieman–> Lazy pseudo-necromancer entirely reliant on his subordinates. His next evolution in strategy should have been his first idea and thats to gain powerful subordinates and just enhance his&their abilities with the shadows of anyone they defeated while making sure to keep on top of things like a leader should.
they'll be the next cover story arc. 
yeah.. but Moria lost most of his power after all… Odz alone was mid Shichibukai level, nevermind Perona who was quite a dangerous person - so i won't expect them to play a major role in the future story
He still has his shadow fruit powers….
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He still has his shadow fruit powers….
Let's put is this way: Moria with his whole crew (including Odz) fighting all-out from the beginning would have been by far to much for the Strawhats, Moria alone may still be strong but limited in his abilities (especially while fighting a group of midlevel people)
Everytime i read a discussion about Moria and his strenght, or his level as an opponent i have the feeling most people read an other manga than i did…
Why does everyone pin Moria down to his Asgard move and the Zombies? He has shown so much more....
hmmm, in OP world, there's no coming back after defeat….so I think Moria will stay in cover story
Moria could play a huge role in the Shichibukai vs. Whitebeard-battle.
He could steal shadows from people from WB's crew to kill them, if the battle is in broad daylight. He could actually take down WB too, if he got the chance to steal his shadow. Although I don't really see that happening. He got quite a beating during his fight against the SHs, and probably needs some time to recover. I hope we'll see him again, though. He's one of my favorite One Piece characters. ^-^
hmmm, in OP world, there's no coming back after defeat….so I think Moria will stay in cover story
this isn't completely true, what about Bagy?
in my opinion, Moria could be back, surely not as "main enemy" in a saga or in a arc, but simply like "cannon fodder", for example to "test" the power of one of the Yonkou: Kaiudou, WhiteBeard, or maybe Shanks the Red…
there is also the possibility that he turn himself against the World Governement... in this case, he will probably be defeated by an Admiral, or, why not, by Smoker, or Garp...
Last but not least, he could be fight against one of the Supernovas, for example Kid, or Law, or Drake...
I wanna see the King of the depths team up with Luffy against the WG since they both have missing crewmates. I mainly wanna see Moria free of his Shichibukai status, seeing as tho he was defeated by a main character and had his ideals crushed.
I'm pretty sure Luffy and his gang are going to end up meeting him again in the new world or maybe close to the end. I doubt that Moria would quit on becoming the Pirate King.
If you reread the chapter Lola and her crew appear in, there is that foreboding shadow hidden by the fog. This all left me with the impression Lola and co have since met a cruel fate in the FT, because moments later it pretty much said Luffy and co were the fortunely ones this day. If Lola and co didn't make it, Moria can still be a Shichibukai.
If you reread the chapter Lola and her crew appear in, there is that foreboding shadow hidden by the fog. This all left me with the impression Lola and co have since met a cruel fate in the FT, because moments later it pretty much said Luffy and co were the fortunely ones this day. If Lola and co didn't make it, Moria can still be a Shichibukai.
Does that actually make sense? Why shouldn't Moria be a Shichibukai if Lola and her crew made it out of the Florian Triangle? Moria was outside of the FT anyway, fleeing on his little ship with Moria and Absalom, or wasn't he?
Btw: The chapter didn't say that the Strawhats were fortunate, but that it was a lucky day in general, that the mist was thick and everything. On the last page of 490 you furthermore see how Thriller Bark (with Lola on it) leaves the Florian Triangle. I doubt that they met some untimely demise, but i can be wrong, of course XD
to pull a Vivi, v.
to stick to a certain group of people, principle, ideal, etc. for an extended period of time just to jump off due to an ulterior motif at the very last, frickin moment.
1\. I left my wife for you! Now don't pull a Vivi on me!
2\. I've got to pull a Vivi: No more beer for me…
Oda can't just make Moria disappear after going to the extent of giving him an escape with Hogback and Absalom. Not to mention he still is a shichibukai and the whole mention of WB vs. Shichibukai coming up.
I think we'll see him sooner than we think after the end of this arc or the next, like a quick tease with him talking with somebody about something interesting.
I'm still not sure Oda is gonna show us this war anyway cuz he still hasn't made a way for the SHs to directly get involved.
I think he'll become a supernova.
I think he'll become a supernova.
that doesnt make sense. He's not a rookie. He's always been a pirate, but he became a "legal pirate".
Also, nobody gets a bounty of $320 million for just relying on your subordinates. I know bounty doesn't equal battle strength, but Moria must of done some shit to piss off the government. Luffy defeated Arlong, said to be close to Jimbei is strength [suppossedly], and literally crushed the foundations of Arlong Park. That gave him $30 million.
Later he defeated a shichibukai, meant to represent power and control over other pirates, and revealed to the public that Crocodile had been scheming behind the WG's back all along, making the WG look even less in control and upset the balance of Three Powers. $100 Million.
Then, he forced his way to the doorsteps of the WG, had the WG flag burned before hundreds of marines and govnment officials, defeated thousands of men while doing so, and defeated the strongest member of the strongest assasination group in the history of the WG. Now he has $300 million. And even if most of the cases were not fully explained in the news, the WG blames the Strawhats for the destruction of Enies Lobby.
That means that anyone close to $300 or above has done some crazy shit to get that high bounty. Moria didnt always have that huge number of shadows available. He must have a means of fighting using his size and kage kage powers.
Damn, and I've been trying to avoid any monologues. Whatever
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Could have just responded "thats not possible because hes already a very infamous pirate".
At the very least I think we'll see Moria fucking up some WB division captains before getting owned by Dozu or Marco if he doesn't play a slightly more significant and interesting role.
hmmm, in OP world, there's no coming back after defeat….so I think Moria will stay in cover story
Not necessarily true-there was buggy, alvida, smoker/tashigi hinted at coming back, hatchan, helmeppo, yeaaaa
that doesnt make sense. He's not a rookie. He's always been a pirate, but he became a "legal pirate".
Also, nobody gets a bounty of $320 million for just relying on your subordinates. I know bounty doesn't equal battle strength, but Moria must of done some shit to piss off the government. Luffy defeated Arlong, said to be close to Jimbei is strength [suppossedly], and literally crushed the foundations of Arlong Park. That gave him $30 million.
Later he defeated a shichibukai, meant to represent power and control over other pirates, and revealed to the public that Crocodile had been scheming behind the WG's back all along, making the WG look even less in control and upset the balance of Three Powers. $100 Million.
Then, he forced his way to the doorsteps of the WG, had the WG flag burned before hundreds of marines and govnment officials, defeated thousands of men while doing so, and defeated the strongest member of the strongest assasination group in the history of the WG. Now he has $300 million. And even if most of the cases were not fully explained in the news, the WG blames the Strawhats for the destruction of Enies Lobby.
That means that anyone close to $300 or above has done some crazy shit to get that high bounty. Moria didnt always have that huge number of shadows available. He must have a means of fighting using his size and kage kage powers.
Damn, and I've been trying to avoid any monologues. Whatever
Actually luffy got his original bounty also for beatin up nezumi, but yea that too.
At the very least I think we'll see Moria fucking up some WB division captains before getting owned by Dozu or Marco if he doesn't play a slightly more significant and interesting role.
This ain't Naruto or Bleach… Moria is one of the most important people on the Grandline... at least he is in the Top 10 of strong pirates... if WB had this kind of power in his fleet, where mere commanders own a Shichibukai battle formation, i wonder how weak the other Yonkou are to balance the 3 powers.
This ain't Naruto or Bleach… Moria is one of the most important people on the Grandline... at least he is in the Top 10 of strong pirates... if WB had this kind of power in his fleet, where mere commanders own a Shichibukai battle formation, i wonder how weak the other Yonkou are to balance the 3 powers.
See you're just making one giant assumption that Moria is one of the top 10 strongest pirates.
He could be at the bottom of the current Shickibukai. If you include the Yonkou&Rayleigh that already makes him the 12th strongest. I see no reason to take the Yonkou's first mates lightly when their captains can solo Admirals.
The likes of Marco&Beckman can't be that much drastically weaker than their captains that Moria is too much for them, especially when Luffy can pose a threat to Moria.
I would think having SN and varying Shickibukai level subordinates is the true reason those 4 separate crews are considered a World Power.
See you're just making one giant assumption that Moria is one of the top 10 strongest pirates.
He could be at the bottom of the current Shickibukai. If you include the Yonkou&Rayleigh that already makes him the 12th strongest. I see no reason to take the Yonkou's first mates lightly when their captains can solo Admirals.
The likes of Marco&Beckman can't be that much drastically weaker than their captains that Moria is too much for them, especially when Luffy can pose a threat to Moria.
I would think having SN and varying Shickibukai level subordinates is the true reason those 4 separate crews are considered a World Power.
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