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      Anyone sick of these guys like I am? Rayleigh and Kizaru…there's nothing to them except that they're old and strong and you're suppose to think that they are badasses.

      Kizaru knocks down one of the trees and just says "Opps. But that's okay, I'm a badass." That just bothered me.

      Rayleigh is old, powerful, knows EVERYTHING about the world and the history. I'm sorry, but I just don't like someone like that being introduced so early in the journey. Plus, he has no character. He's just a typical old anime badass guy.

      I just don't like these kinds of characters. They get to me. A character can be old. A character can be a bad ass. But in One Piece, they make a crappy combination.

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        Because 11 years into the manga is "early" in the journey.

        They're the highest powers in the world, and show everything the Strawhats need to aspire to, match, and eventually beat. Its awesome that they're so powerful, it keeps the power scales consistent. None of Dragonball's nonsense where stronger and stronger enemies just happen to keep showing up, the strongest guys were there all along. (Heck, we met Shanks in Chapter 1 and Mihawk back in chapter 50) It gives the world scale and scope, and goals to be achieved, to see some of its strongest players BEFORE the end, which is really a nice touch.

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          Shanks is not old.

          Garp is old, but at least he has character beyond "I'm a badass! FIGHT ME!!!" So do Sengoku and Whitebeard.

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            @Mad:

            Rayleigh is old, powerful, knows EVERYTHING about the world and the history.

            Not far fetched considering the guy was the 1st mate of the only crew to travel essentially the whole world, and be second to a captain considered to be the King of what he did. Not far fetched at all.

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                don make me throw you off a building -_-

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                  @Mad:

                  Rayleigh is old, powerful, knows EVERYTHING about the world and the history. I'm sorry, but I just don't like someone like that being introduced so early in the journey.

                  Most manga barely last 100 chapters, let alone 500+. This is hardly "early in the journey".

                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                    @Fire Fist:

                    Most manga barely last 100 chapters, let alone 500+. This is hardly "early in the journey".

                    It is when you feel someone like this shouldn't be introduced or really expanded on until near the end. Which I do.

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                      @Mad:

                      It is when you feel someone like this shouldn't be introduced or really expanded on until near the end. Which I do.

                      I disagree. This story has been going on a long time now, and we've only been given bits and pieces of what happened in the past. We need someone like Raleigh to clear up a few things as we near the climax. The Ace. Vs. Blackbeard battle, to me, marked the middle of the story. From there, it's culminating into a climax, and we need some revelations to happen.

                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                        @Mad:

                        It is when you feel someone like this shouldn't be introduced or really expanded on until near the end. Which I do.

                        They are 2/3 of the way done with their journey.

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                          We need someone like Raleigh to clear up a few things as we near the climax.

                          He didn't clear up anything and he's not going to.

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                            Ok People You Better Not Start To Talk Like You Know Whats Going To Happen Like You Guys Wrote The Story Cause No One Knows Whats Going To Happen

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                              1. Kizaru isn't old like Garp and Raliegh.
                              2. Garp and Raliegh are two of the coolest characters in the series.
                              3. Two of them are military men, and the other is a pirate. Are they going to be weak?

                              Not all old people turn out weak. Look at Doctorine.

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                                @Insider2000:

                                1. Kizaru isn't old like Garp and Raliegh.
                                2. Garp and Raliegh are two of the coolest characters in the series.
                                3. Two of them are military men, and the other is a pirate. Are they going to be weak?

                                Not all old people turn out weak. Look at Doctorine.

                                I'm not saying old guys have to be weak. I'm saying these particular characters suck so far because that's all there is to them. They're strong. That's it. You're just suppose to like them because they can whoop everyone.
                                Also, I said I like Garp because Garp has character.

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                                  @Mad:

                                  It is when you feel someone like this shouldn't be introduced or really expanded on until near the end. Which I do.

                                  I feel like you've completely ignored this post below. So, you'd prefer for people like Rayleigh to be introduced towards the end of the series, is that what you're saying?
                                  @robbybevard:

                                  Because 11 years into the manga is "early" in the journey.

                                  They're the highest powers in the world, and show everything the Strawhats need to aspire to, match, and eventually beat. Its awesome that they're so powerful, it keeps the power scales consistent. None of Dragonball's nonsense where stronger and stronger enemies just happen to keep showing up, the strongest guys were there all along. (Heck, we met Shanks in Chapter 1 and Mihawk back in chapter 50) It gives the world scale and scope, and goals to be achieved, to see some of its strongest players BEFORE the end, which is really a nice touch.

                                  This is actually one of the things I really like about One Piece, and I'm one of the few people that will proudly say I liked DB and DBZ. Not a big fan of DBGT. Anyways, Oda set some nice markers for us regarding the level the protagonists have to achieve by the end of the story.

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                                  I'm not saying old guys have to be weak. I'm saying these particular characters suck so far because that's all there is to them. They're strong. That's it. You're just suppose to like them because they can whoop everyone.
                                  Also, I said I like Garp because Garp has character.

                                  I think I see your point somehow. I think you're asking for more diversity with the "legendary" characters? is that it? well, Oda could waste his time with this, or he can make them generic. if you really think about it, it actually doesn't make a difference. their predictable designs means that they are here for the short term, will do what Oda intended for them, and then we may get a few more cameos of them occasional as the series progresses. This is why I believe they're always this way.

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                                    You have to understand that there are normal characters aswell as the unique ones. Rayliegh is portrayed as the normal, faithful and wise former first-mate of the Pirate King. There is a need for people who aren't borderlining crazy, such as the Luffy's, Garp's and Whitebeard's.

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                                      @Mad:

                                      I'm not saying old guys have to be weak. I'm saying these particular characters suck so far because that's all there is to them. They're strong. That's it. You're just suppose to like them because they can whoop everyone.
                                      Also, I said I like Garp because Garp has character.

                                      I didn't understand what you were talking about until this post, and I was about to ignore this, or tell you off.

                                      But I hear what you're saying about Kizaru being all "Hey look I'm badass. I'm going to beat you into the ground." and then nothing else. No character. However, he was just introduced. Give a little bit of time for his character to develop. I trust that it will before he takes on the Straw Hats. If it doesn't, word ALL over about his being a LAME character.

                                      However, I like Rayleigh. He is old, and badass, but he does have character. He strikes me as very 'real'. He's lazy, and likes gambling and women, while having that 'old man' trait of seeing everyone like his children. See: Caimie. He remembers and treasures old friendships (Hacchin), and has a job. Kind of reminds me of Doctorine, to be honest. But with less… hurting-ness. Too laid back to do that, and too lazy. He'd rather just give a good glare and make the person pass out.

                                      ALLEZ CUISINE!!

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                                        @MonkeyDMalcolm:

                                        They are 2/3 of the way done with their journey.

                                        Dude, stop pm'sing and

                                        "You cant possibly hope to match my gtfo pics."

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                                          @Yonkou#3:

                                          Dude, stop pm'sing and

                                          [qimg]http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/gtfo.jpg[/qimg]

                                          "You cant possibly hope to match my gtfo pics."

                                          I fail to see how he's wrong:

                                          1. East Blue = Done
                                          2. First Half of the Grand Line = Done
                                          3. Second Half of the Grand Line / New World = About to Enter via Gyojin Island

                                          Unless there's some huge Gaiden and they end up going into space or something, the journey is 2/3 over.

                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                            your opinions suck

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                                              Maybe if you weren't such an impatient moron you could wait for the story to progress and their characters to develop. And maybe if you weren't such a retarded asshole you could see that they do have personality already. Kizaru is hilarious becaused he's spaced out and clueless. Rayleigh has a whole cool "retired pirate" thing going where he likes to watch the rookies to see what they do, and help them out if they need it.

                                              And to the people posting image macros, god damn, what are 13-year-olds who just found the internet? Posting images that say "GTFO" and such is neither clever nor a replacement for actually being able to speak intelligently.

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                                                @STAREYe:

                                                Maybe if you weren't such an impatient moron you could wait for the story to progress and their characters to develop. And maybe if you weren't such a retarded asshole you could see that they do have personality already. Kizaru is hilarious becaused he's spaced out and clueless. Rayleigh has a whole cool "retired pirate" thing going where he likes to watch the rookies to see what they do, and help them out if they need it.

                                                And to the people posting image macros, god damn, what are 13-year-olds who just found the internet? Posting images that say "GTFO" and such is neither clever nor a replacement for actually being able to speak intelligently.

                                                dang, thread ova

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                                                  wow this is unneeded cursing and anger you have to learn how to control it cause no one did anything to you and people could put any pic they want and everyone need to calm down

                                                  WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE ![](images/smilies/ipb/sleeping.png "Sleeping")

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                                                    lol oh 😆

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                                                      I think that was sarcasm…?

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                                                        "BAD!! That's a Bad thread!!

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                                                          im guessing you love sarcasm or you actually meant but it seems its sarcasm.
                                                          I guess some people just like being ass holes XP

                                                          WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE ![](images/smilies/ipb/sleeping.png "Sleeping")

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                                                            lol oh 😆

                                                            You need to learn how to control yourself from tryping such hostile things as f-u-c-k, s-h-i-t, and f-u-r-t-h-e-r-m-o-r-e.

                                                            GHJOD WHI R U SO ANgwY. Don't smoke a blunt and chill.

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                                                              more sarcasm apparently sarcasm is the hot thing right now -_-

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                                                                Kizaru is the one lacking character, but Rayleigh? He's a guy who loves booze and babes, and gambles his way into slavery just bust out and repeat the cycle. He's funny and badass at the same time. Sure, he may not have any weaknesses, but weaknesses don't show easily if you're among the strongest in the world.

                                                                Garp is funny, too. Falls asleep randomly, and is invincible even while sleeping.

                                                                I think Kizaru is just there so he can get beaten quickly by Rayleigh and then go back to headquarters failing his mission.

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                                                                  @igetownd:

                                                                  Kizaru is the one lacking character, but Rayleigh? He's a guy who loves booze and babes, and gambles his way into slavery just bust out and repeat the cycle. He's funny and badass at the same time. Sure, he may not have any weaknesses, but weaknesses don't show easily if you're among the strongest in the world.

                                                                  Garp is funny, too. Falls asleep randomly, and is invincible even while sleeping.

                                                                  I think Kizaru is just there so he can get beaten quickly by Rayleigh and then go back to headquarters failing his mission.

                                                                  Rayleigh's traits seem forced to me.

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                                                                    I don't think Rayleigh was always the way he is now. Back when Shanks and Buggy were like 14, Rayleigh was a guy who kept order and conduct on the ship. He probably started his wild living after Roger died. That's why it seems forced.

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                                                                      Theres nothing wrong with being old and kick-ass. That's how my grandpa was before alsheimers started kickin in

                                                                      Besides, I think old/kickass is a perfect combination for those two

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                                                                      He didn't come back because he thought he could win, he came back because he's a goddamn hero and that's what heroes do.

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                                                                        @Fire Fist:

                                                                        I fail to see how he's wrong:

                                                                        1. East Blue = Done
                                                                        2. First Half of the Grand Line = Done
                                                                        3. Second Half of the Grand Line / New World = About to Enter via Gyojin Island

                                                                        Unless there's some huge Gaiden and they end up going into space or something, the journey is 2/3 over.

                                                                        That wasnt the point i was argueing. This dude has been flipping off on threads all day.He flipped out on me cuz i said i didnt like the new chap eariler and after 4 posts of trying to calm him down he was still bitching. His first responce to wanze was unnesecarily rude and thus in order to prevent his being a douche again, the GTFO was sent.

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                                                                          @Yonkou#3:

                                                                          That wasnt the point i was argueing. This dude has been flipping off on threads all day.He flipped out on me cuz i said i didnt like the new chap eariler and after 4 posts of trying to calm him down he was still bitching. His first responce to wanze was unnesecarily rude and thus in order to prevent his being a douche again, the GTFO was sent.

                                                                          stupid responses and threads deserve to be handle accordingly which I did. don't even bring up rude…..

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                                                                            Because 11 years into the manga is "early" in the journey.

                                                                            Honestly. Jesus christ.

                                                                            Originally Posted by Wagomu

                                                                            There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.

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                                                                              Honestly. Jesus christ.

                                                                              11 years and just now they reach the halfway point.

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                                                                                @Yonkou#3:

                                                                                That wasnt the point i was argueing. This dude has been flipping off on threads all day.He flipped out on me cuz i said i didnt like the new chap eariler and after 4 posts of trying to calm him down he was still bitching. His first responce to wanze was unnesecarily rude and thus in order to prevent his being a douche again, the GTFO was sent.

                                                                                Look. You're probably a nice enough guy. But I cannot stand any more of this crap. The off-topic image macros you've been posting as retorts to this guy are, let's face it, idiotic at best. Honestly I would guess you are about 16 which would explain your poor judgement in dealing with nuissances like they were adversaries.
                                                                                You fail to heed your own advice, and now you truly are being publicly trounced by a moron. A moron who cannot spell or grammatically construct a sentence to save his life. But he is able to post on topic, even while obviously baiting the holy fuck out of you, while all you can focus on is getting in the last word which you are not even close to achieving. The owning you are dealing yourself at this point is starting to approach massive proportions.

                                                                                You seem like you need some help with this:

                                                                                Give it up this week. This is an entirely trivial forum, and you should not waste so much energy getting worked up about percieved slights. Take a few days and try again next week. Here's a protip – ignore the monkey. Don't descend to apologetics or try to save face with another image macro. Don't. Your recent posts have been increasingly irrelevant and now it's obvious you are taking things way too personally.

                                                                                Walk it off. It's ok. You're ok. The sanji avatar = douche comment which seemed to provoke you was uncalled for, but easy enough to let slide.

                                                                                Oh, this thread whinging about old people? It's fucking stupid. That's ok too. People are entitled to delude themslves that this manga will go on for 20 more years if they want.

                                                                                I said the Old Men, they got allll the money.
                                                                                And a young man...
                                                                                Ain't got nuthin in the world the days, I say.

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                                                                                  With age comes experience.

                                                                                  Someone probably said that already, but oh well.

                                                                                  Bye.

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                                                                                    shame on you all.

                                                                                    this thread could've had a nice long discussion going, but you all have to taint it and turn it into a macrofest with name-calling.

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