This is just me throwing a question out there. Given Asura's demonic tone and the setting of enies lobby anyone feel like it might have been appreicated more if it had been used in a "darker" toned arc, like say Thriller bark? I just feel it would have fit better and givin how oda tends to have things planned out months and years in advance it seems like he could have come up with something else for kaku and saved that for one more arc. What do you think?
Thriller bark and asura
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@Yonkou#3:
This is just me throwing a question out there. Given Asura's demonic tone and the setting of enies lobby anyone feel like it might have been appreicated more if it had been used in a "darker" toned arc, like say Thriller bark? I just feel it would have fit better and givin how oda tends to have things planned out months and years in advance it seems like he could have come up with something else for kaku and saved that for one more arc. What do you think?
really the question is why didn't he use ashura in tb when he gained his 3rd sword sanji used his fire leg but Zoro neither used ashura or the breathe technique on odz and only failed when using the breathe technique on kuma.
i think the idea of Zoro not mastering the sword properly was the main reason why Zoro didn't use ashura in tb
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also i think that ashura is well placed just before we get any idea of haki etc
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really the question is why didn't he use ashura in tb when he gained his 3rd sword sanji used his fire leg but Zoro neither used ashura or the breathe technique on odz and only failed when using the breathe technique on kuma.
i think the idea of Zoro not mastering the sword properly was the main reason why Zoro didn't use ashura in tb
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also i think that ashura is well placed just before we get any idea of haki etc
That's YOUR question. Not mine silly. :P
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@Yonkou#3:
That's YOUR question. Not mine silly. :P
im awnsering your question with another question -
Asura is just a illusion, a manifestation of Zoro's aura. It is probably used so that the enemy doesn't know which swords are the real ones, thus making him waste time to dodge false attacks while Zoro strikes very fast.
Maybe it is not that useful against a really well-trained swordsman, like Ryuuma (and I doubt Asura would fool someone as Mihawk). Against someone as big as Odz, it does not seem to be very effective either.
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Asura is just a illusion, a manifestation of Zoro's aura.
Ashura is Zoros menacing spirit and his “killing intent”:
A thoroughly polished sword technique and a menacing spirit!! The enemy confronting Zoro sees that fierce three-headed six-handed god!! His strength… enough to overwhelm the enemy with “killing intent” alone!!
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I don't think i'll ever appreciate it. it simply sucks.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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Better than Lambo's cow ass.:getlost:
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Asura is just a illusion, a manifestation of Zoro's aura. It is probably used so that the enemy doesn't know which swords are the real ones, thus making him waste time to dodge false attacks while Zoro strikes very fast.
Maybe it is not that useful against a really well-trained swordsman, like Ryuuma (and I doubt Asura would fool someone as Mihawk). Against someone as big as Odz, it does not seem to be very effective either.
Q: If it's just an illusion to mask your movements then why would he use it on a robot who was heing hurled at him and wouldn't be able to block anyway?
A: Asura=More attacking power.
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Q: If it's just an illusion to mask your movements then why would he use it on a robot who was heing hurled at him and wouldn't be able to block anyway?
A: Asura=More attacking power.
yeah it seems it gives him some kind of attacking power but it has been stated as an illusion, they've already changed Asura a bit as it was only supposed to let your opponent see it, maybe he has developed it?
"If you cannot stand his pain, you are not worth his head." -Bartholomew Kuma
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yeah it seems it gives him some kind of attacking power but it has been stated as an illusion, they've already changed Asura a bit as it was only supposed to let your opponent see it, maybe he has developed it?
Where was it said that only his opponent could see it? I'm pretty sure that Kaku merely made an assumption and it's been proved wrong now.
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Yeah, it never said it was an illusion, just a technique that confused his opponent. Everyone took that and came to the assumption that confusion was its only power, mainly because people don't like the thought of Zoro growing arms.
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Now i think about it, Zoro has DF disease. He can use the abilities of those who have been around him for a long time.
Luffy = Blowing Up Arms = Gorilla Arms.
Robin = More Arms and Legs = Asura.and next we'll either see him come back from the dead or turn into a reindeer. COOL!
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Now i think about it, Zoro has DF disease. He can use the abilities of those who have been around him for a long time.
Luffy = Blowing Up Arms = Gorilla Arms.
Robin = More Arms and Legs = Asura.and next we'll either see him come back from the dead or turn into a reindeer. COOL!
Lol, more likely he'll get more projectile attacks or upgrade his current one.
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Now i think about it, Zoro has DF disease. He can use the abilities of those who have been around him for a long time.
Luffy = Blowing Up Arms = Gorilla Arms.
Robin = More Arms and Legs = Asura.and next we'll either see him come back from the dead or turn into a reindeer. COOL!
u really have a problem with Zoro's new technique
the extra limbs that we see are illsions so they are not real do u understand thatthey are just to confuse so wats the big problem you see with using aura in this way
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So no one has a actual opinion about my question?
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@Yonkou#3:
So no one has a actual opinion about my question?
The anime crew and Oda came together and decided that the dark-violet aura they wanted to use for the move would go to waste on the background of thriller bark's color scheme. Simply a matter of planning ahead.
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Oh! Yeah, it probably would've fit in better at Thriller Bark but there lies the problem. It would've fit in. The strawhats were supposed to be the oddballs and if they all started whipping out halloween attacks the arc wouldn't have felt right. Also when Asura was used it was completely random no one would have thought that he would pull out a such a demonic attack in the midst of a zoo. So I think it's perfect where it is
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I don't think i'll ever appreciate it. it simply sucks.
No it doesn't!
It isn't a multiplieing limbs move like Robin's DF. It's just an Illusion!!!
Well so what kind of new moves did you like instead?
Gear 2/Gear 3??? It isn't lgic as well same for Diable Jambe… but you forget that this is a manga.
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yeah it seems it gives him some kind of attacking power but it has been stated as an illusion, they've already changed Asura a bit as it was only supposed to let your opponent see it, maybe he has developed it?
Q: If it's just an illusion to mask your movements then why would he use it on a robot who was heing hurled at him and wouldn't be able to block anyway?
A: Asura=More attacking power.
Yeah, it never said it was an illusion, just a technique that confused his opponent. Everyone took that and came to the assumption that confusion was its only power, mainly because people don't like the thought of Zoro growing arms.
I don't think it is an illusion.
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It's stated in the Yellow DB facepalm
Or did he steal replicas of his swords as well…
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Why can't the swords be soullusions as well. I'm not saying that his body morphed and that he grew new flesh and bones and stuff. I'm saying that he is creating extra limbs made of demonic intent. Like a physical soul. Two of the arms are real and the other four aren't, but they all have the same attacking power.
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crap, another discussion about what kind of attack Asura is? ::backs out slowly::
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Well but it i tated that it' an illusion to confuse the opponent that he doesn't know which is the real one and that Zoro could crush the defense.
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No it doesn't!
It isn't a multiplieing limbs move like Robin's DF. It's just an Illusion!!!
Well so what kind of new moves did you like instead?
Gear 2/Gear 3??? It isn't lgic as well same for Diable Jambe… but you forget that this is a manga.
Gear Third is simply Gomu Gomu no Fuusen on crack. While Gear Second is simple logic.
Diable Jump is actually quite suckish too. It's seen no development what so ever and it's not exactly amping up the damage either. That said, it's no where near as Asura.
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crap, another discussion about what kind of attack Asura is? ::backs out slowly::
Grabs him by the neck NOO! Help me steer the convo back in the right direction!
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@Yonkou#3:
Grabs him by the neck NOO! Help me steer the convo back in the right direction!
I'll help you!
I was supposed to answer yesterday but our PC went ballistic and I wasn't able to post. Meh.I've read in one of his SBS that he doesn't actually plan specific details for the series, he just have general ideas of what he wants to be in there. Actually, he's really not that OC as what you may think. In fact, in High School, all the idea of One Piece he has is that "I want an anime with a pirate theme". So, yeah, he's not a stickler for details.
However, if Oda suddenly became OC and planned out One Piece years before, I'd like to think that Zoro will still use his Asura in Enies Lobby. The situation called for a new technique to beat the CP9. And after having been beaten to a pulp by Eneru, he needed to prove that he's not gonna be taken down that easily again.
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I'll help you!
I was supposed to answer yesterday but our PC went ballistic and I wasn't able to post. Meh.I've read in one of his SBS that he doesn't actually plan specific details for the series, he just have general ideas of what he wants to be in there. Actually, he's really not that OC as what you may think. In fact, in High School, all the idea of One Piece he has is that "I want an anime with a pirate theme". So, yeah, he's not a stickler for details.
However, if Oda suddenly became OC and planned out One Piece years before, I'd like to think that Zoro will still use his Asura in Enies Lobby. The situation called for a new technique to beat the CP9. And after having been beaten to a pulp by Eneru, he needed to prove that he's not gonna be taken down that easily again.
Bows Arigato. Still he knew his next arc was gonna be dark themed when he was writing enies lobby, he could have decided it then. I mean his fight with kaku wasnt all that great to begin with. That lame ass move really killed it. I wouldn't have minded if he beat Kaku with the arm pumping move or even a new random technique. Given that Ryumma was
A. Oda own character
B. Supposed to be legendary
C. A supposed user of the "Power of destruction."He went down kinda easy. Now i know that battle wasnt actually easy. As it was stated by Zoro that his swords were almost broken. But i mean it was 1 chap and he won with a admittedly cool move but one that could definetly have been used better. I realize that in order for brook to get his shadow back Ryumma needed to be destroyed and the fire move was a perfect way to do it, but he just as easily could have destroyed Ryumma with Asura. Imagine this.
Ryumma and zoro on the roof, both panting, both showing no opening. Ryumma rushes at Zoro with Hatzugiri as Zoro hears the "breath" of Ryumma.
Zoro: Is this a legendary fighters strength? Amazing. I can hear his "breath", even though he's not alive.
(Demonic aura appears)
Ryumma: 3 verse humming…
Zoro: (Grows the 4 arms and 2 heads) I can hear your soul Samurai... Rest in peace. Asura one mist silver!(They clash and 9 slashes appears across Ryumma who then bursts into flames or breaks in pieces)
I know that was like fanfic style, but after i started i got into it. The point is though that it would have been cooler for Zoro to use taht against a legendary samurai who has seen everything. Since he wouldnt have seen anything liek taht before. Rather than a government assasin, who from what i saw relied more on his strength than actual skill with a sword.
OOC: Whos that girl in your pic doctor? She's cute.
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@Yonkou#3:
Bows Arigato. Still he knew his next arc was gonna be dark themed when he was writing enies lobby, he could have decided it then.
Haha. No prob.
But, I'm not sure with him, Oda that is, knowing that his next arc will be dark themed. Maybe he did, but then again, maybe he did not.I mean his fight with kaku wasnt all that great to begin with. That lame ass move really killed it. I wouldn't have minded if he beat Kaku with the arm pumping move or even a new random technique. Given that Ryumma was
A. Oda own character
B. Supposed to be legendary
C. A supposed user of the "Power of destruction."He went down kinda easy. Now i know that battle wasnt actually easy. As it was stated by Zoro that his swords were almost broken. But i mean it was 1 chap and he won with a admittedly cool move but one that could definetly have been used better. I realize that in order for brook to get his shadow back Ryumma needed to be destroyed and the fire move was a perfect way to do it, but he just as easily could have destroyed Ryumma with Asura. Imagine this.
Ryumma and zoro on the roof, both panting, both showing no opening. Ryumma rushes at Zoro with Hatzugiri as Zoro hears the "breath" of Ryumma.
Zoro: Is this a legendary fighters strength? Amazing. I can hear his "breath", even though he's not alive.
(Demonic aura appears)
Ryumma: 3 verse humming…
Zoro: (Grows the 4 arms and 2 heads) I can hear your soul Samurai... Rest in peace. Asura one mist silver!(They clash and 9 slashes appears across Ryumma who then bursts into flames or breaks in pieces)
I know that was like fanfic style, but after i started i got into it. The point is though that it would have been cooler for Zoro to use taht against a legendary samurai who has seen everything. Since he wouldnt have seen anything liek taht before. Rather than a government assasin, who from what i saw relied more on his strength than actual skill with a sword.
Sorry, I don't really have an opinion on this one.
But, I do agree that Zoro and Ryuuma's fight could've been better if Zoro showed a cooler move that can compete with Asura's awesomeness. But, then again, Asura would be quickly forgotten and we'll focus more on Zoro's new technique. And Zoro used Asura again in the latest scanlated chapter, and I think he'll use it again later. So, Zoro using Asura in the EL arc instead of in the TB arc, wasn't a major drawback for me.
OOC: Whos that girl in your pic doctor? She's cute.
Who do you think she is?
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you guys do remember that Zoro only had 2 swords when he fought Ryuuma right?
also you do remember that Zoro pulled off what is arguably his strongest attack against Odz right? 3000 realms, the one he tried to pull off against Mihawk back in East Blue.
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@Yonkou#3:
OOC: Whos that girl in your pic doctor? She's cute.
Who do you think she is?
Guys please. No flirting in the manga section. Let's try to keep it clean, ok?
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@Kma:
you guys do remember that Zoro only had 2 swords when he fought Ryuuma right?
also you do remember that Zoro pulled off what is arguably his strongest attack against Odz right? 3000 realms, the one he tried to pull off against Mihawk back in East Blue.
Well since asura's supposed to be an illusion/spirit masnifest that woudlnt really affect the attack would it?
Guys please. No flirting in the manga section. Let's try to keep it clean, ok?
Hey who's that horrible monster in your pic elric?
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@Yonkou#3:
Well since asura's supposed to be an illusion/spirit masnifest that woudlnt really affect the attack would it?
Besides tricking/facking out his opponent, which will enable Zoro get a full blown shot at his enemy's vitals, not at all.
@Kma:
you guys do remember that Zoro only had 2 swords when he fought Ryuuma right?
also you do remember that Zoro pulled off what is arguably his strongest attack against Odz right? 3000 realms, the one he tried to pull off against Mihawk back in East Blue.
Nuff said, close thread.
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:wassat: Uhh… Yeah... So... Going back to the topic...
@Kma:
you guys do remember that Zoro only had 2 swords when he fought Ryuuma right?
also you do remember that Zoro pulled off what is arguably his strongest attack against Odz right? 3000 realms, the one he tried to pull off against Mihawk back in East Blue.
Yeah! I totally forgot about that. I just reread the TB arc and I feel stupid. Haha.
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I wonder why he didn't try Asura on Kuma though?! maybe he didn't have enough time? (Lasers and paws? oh my!). If it could break a massive rankakyu so easily, i'm sure it could have done some damage against his metal body
! Used it on a Kuma bot (or whatever) in shabondy and it seemed effective
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@Yonkou#3:
This is just me throwing a question out there. Given Asura's demonic tone and the setting of enies lobby anyone feel like it might have been appreicated more if it had been used in a "darker" toned arc, like say Thriller bark? I just feel it would have fit better and givin how oda tends to have things planned out months and years in advance it seems like he could have come up with something else for kaku and saved that for one more arc. What do you think?
Well, Zoro has been referred to as possessing a demon aura since he was first mentioned by Coby back in Chapter 3. Thriller Bark's main theme wasn't about demons, but more about ghosts, ghouls, chimeras… that sort of thing. I think it was also a testament that the dead is never a substitute for the living. The only thing remotely demonic in the arc was Moria, and that was in appearance only (Moria's character design, btw, is one of the best in the series in my opinion). Zoro's first named move in the series, even, was called Oni-Giri, or Demon Slice, and many of his moves mimic religious things. The way I see it, Asura is just one of many moves he'll learn on the road to beating Mihawk (and I still think his ultimate attack will be called Nirvana).
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
and I still think his ultimate attack will be called Nirvana.
That's when you use the sword hilt and knock em out good.
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I still don't understand why in the latest chapter Zoro's asura's aura didnt affect any of the strawhats
Or is it one of those plot holes that doesnt need a reason
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@123:
I still don't understand why in the latest chapter Zoro's asura's aura didnt affect any of the strawhats
Or is it one of those plot holes that doesnt need a reason
well they could see the ashura
but since hes not actually attacking them
