If haki does become a major factor my guess is that luffy, zoro, and sanji will all have rare types…. I hope sanji learns it at least because I'm sure zoro will learn it probably allowing him to rip kuma apart but I personally don't want everyone using it it would get a little ehh... tedious but I do like the idea if it really makes a person a lot stronger I wonder if luffy's punches will be stronger than gear 3rd (currently) and just imagine a gomu gomu no gigant jet bazooka with haki
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Im almost positive that Sanji and Zoro have haki. Examples Zoro's Asura ability and Sanji's Diable Jambe.
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Or maybe it's just that having a very powerful will gives you more of a potential as far as spirit power goes. Sort of like an amplifier for the spirit energy.
This is what I believe. So far the people we've seen using Haki have been strong willed people. There are literary reasons for this as well but I'm texting this so I'm not going to go into detail.
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Yeah and Zoro has a strong will too. I believe he has haki as well. It allows him to withstand wounds that would kill.
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What about Usopps spirit? He never touched Perona and she started foaming at the mouth. Well maybe he did touch her, but not very hard thats for sure. Look at how intense Usopp is, he may have released something after all.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/466/11/
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^ shes just terribly frightened. Haki can make one foam doesnt mean everyone foaming is being haki-ed
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Yeah, I'd say she was just more overwhelmed of being bashed by a 10 ton hammer than being overwhelmed by Usopp himself.
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Usopp kind of just screams of having an insane aura one day. He may not be the strongest Strawhat but he'll have one of the more powerful auras, due to his ambition to become a true warrior of the sea and what not.
I wouldn't be surprised if Usopp used his aura to take care of Perona.
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well I'm sure if usopp's lies were actually true he'd have tremedous haki… unfortunately they aren't
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I'm sticking with Usopp unleashed his spirit on her. Yeah she was afraid of the hammer but I'm still not convinced it was just that. Only because in the series so far no one has been so scared that they foamed at the mouth. All foaming has been a result of someones spirit burst right?
Once she assumed he was super strong she could barely contain herself. Usopp will develop some kind of lying spirit, and opponents will be believe his outlandish lies and become overwhelmed in battle. By the end of the story that is.
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@LongFist:
I'm sticking with Usopp unleashed his spirit on her. Yeah she was afraid of the hammer but I'm still not convinced it was just that. Only because in the series so far no one has been so scared that they foamed at the mouth. All foaming has been a result of someones spirit burst right?
Once she assumed he was super strong she could barely contain herself. Usopp will develop some kind of lying spirit, and opponents will be believe his outlandish lies and become overwhelmed in battle. By the end of the story that is.
On the first page we can see Ms. Friday foaming at the mouth after having her face crushed by Zoro.
Anyways, I refuse to believe Usopp has the "King's Disposition". She was most likely just passing out from the impending impact of the hammer itself, not any spirit burst coming from Usopp. She believed in his strength to hold a 10 ton hammer, but she didn't pass out because of her belief in his lie that he was strong, but because of that 10 ton hammer about to cave her skull in. She was passing out because of the situation itself.
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I'm with Dabig.
Something as insignificant as Perona's defeat will not be Haki.
Now Zoro's Breathing is important enough to be a Haki based technique and Mantra as well. Rokushiki is questionable, but Kami-e makes a good argument. They are all big enough to be brought back as Haki since they had a large impact on the story at the end of the day. -
I totally agree with Zoro's being able to hear the breath of things as haki.
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but does anyone think this is haki?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/7/17/
Here, we have both ambition and also an emotional outburst. Also, we can also see that Coby's eyes and the marine's eyes are shown in their own panels kinda lke most of the times haki is used. So what do you ppl have to say about this?
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I believe that haki is different from ordinary willpower. I feel that only those with phenomenal strength in the first place posess it. Just cause you have a strong will doesn't necessarily mean you have haki. Just like not every being who was close to super saiyan strength was a super saiyan.
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^ But that will not explain how Hancock or the rest of the Amazonians for that matter coughMargaretcough have Haki. Personally, I don't think they (most of them atleast) have super strength. IMHO, their strength is due to their DF ablities and haki usage.
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I believe that haki is different from ordinary willpower. I feel that only those with phenomenal strength in the first place posess it. Just cause you have a strong will doesn't necessarily mean you have haki. Just like not every being who was close to super saiyan strength was a super saiyan.
I believe that could be partly true for the Haoushoku haki. To make it rare and reserved for the upper echelon and special types, you need other requirements to utilize it that go beyond willpower. Or maybe it's just a birthright and the ones who use it are destined to be strong anyways.
A strong willpower, however, lets you not get knocked on your ass in front of someone who has that type of haki.
^ But that will not explain how Hancock or the rest of the Amazonians for that matter coughMargaretcough have Haki. Personally, I don't think they (most of them atleast) have super strength. IMHO, their strength is due to their DF ablities and haki usage.
They possess some different type of haki that seems like something people could actually be taught and learned. Some lower-level form of using your spirit/will/whatever that is purely for enhancing techniques, strength, defense, imbuing other objects with said spirit/will/whatever, etc.
Maybe this kind of haki requires a fighting, warrior's spirit and drive to use. Which explains why even the lower ranking amazons (Margaret and her pals not onboard Hancock's ship) can use it–being that Oda's captions stated all these women are strong, physical beasts.
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I think your'e right on that one. Haki is a type of willpower that doubles as an advanced form of spirit energy and that you need to be born with. It's like for example how everybody in Yu-yu-hakusho human wise have spirit energy but not every human can utilize it to it's highest potential cause it's not advanced enough.
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I believe that could be partly true for the Haoushoku haki. To make it rare and reserved for the upper echelon and special types, you need other requirements to utilize it that go beyond willpower. Or maybe it's just a birthright and the ones who use it are destined to be strong anyways.
A strong willpower, however, lets you not get knocked on your ass in front of someone who has that type of haki.
They possess some different type of haki that seems like something people could actually be taught and learned. Some lower-level form of using your spirit/will/whatever that is purely for enhancing techniques, strength, defense, imbuing other objects with said spirit/will/whatever, etc.
Maybe this kind of haki requires a fighting, warrior's spirit and drive to use. Which explains why even the lower ranking amazons (Margaret and her pals not onboard Hancock's ship) can use it–being that Oda's captions stated all these women are strong, physical beasts.
Same with the priests in skypea if we assume that mantra is "haki".
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But if it was true for the preists of Skypea then that's pretty sad considereing the straw hats were able to hand them their rears.
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I never understand what you are talking about. It seems you are allways leaveing out >50% of your trail of thought.
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Your'e exactly right.
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I have no idea where to put this… but...
Do you guys think Moria, Crocodile, and Lucci knew Haki? Eneru I think knew it (I'm positive mantra is a type of haki, as displayed by one of Hancock's sisters).
If so, why did 2 of the freaking shichibukai not know haki? I find that ridiculous... were they using it just we didn't know?
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I have no idea where to put this… but...
Do you guys think Moria, Crocodile, and Lucci knew Haki? Eneru I think knew it (I'm positive mantra is a type of haki, as displayed by one of Hancock's sisters).
If so, why did 2 of the freaking shichibukai not know haki? I find that ridiculous... were they using it just we didn't know?
Just maybe its something you can't learn and have to be born with and develop, so them knowing about it wouldn't matter. Or maybe the types of haki they had were useless so they never pursued in becoming a strong user of it.
Or kinda going off what Hatchi said maybe the technique itself is really that rare/secretive and only a few amount of ppl know about it and can use it. So secretive/cryptic that even some shichibukai don't know much about it. It'd also explain ppl like Luffy going around using it not knowing what it was.
When it comes to the shichi to them if they knew about it was probably just some legendary fighting technique that they felt they didn't need to attain their goals or it would just take too long to learn it or find someone who would teach them.
Not for nothing we know Shanks has haki and he still got that mean scar from BB who didn't even bother to use it in his fight against Ace, if he even has it.
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but didn't everyone at amazon lily know haki. what r the chances they were all born with it.
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but didn't everyone at amazon lily know haki. what r the chances they were all born with it.
if it's genetic then very high
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this may sound stupid but the haki imbued arrows were very strong right?
so perhaps the unbreakable poneglyphs have a large amount of haki placed on them to make it as hard as it is…............unlikely but perhaps there's a link? -
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this may sound stupid but the haki imbued arrows were very strong right?
so perhaps the unbreakable poneglyphs have a large amount of haki placed on them to make it as hard as it is…............unlikely but perhaps there's a link?its possible but im guessing the poneglyghs talk about the use of haki as an ultimate weapon
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….........ok now i feel bad
i thought hard about haki and mantra theory....but it turned out to be nothing new..... T.Tcancel that thread in general One piece
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Some of them called it "ambitious"here, but it really means more than ambitious..
arrogant and the ability that makes you fears. (like king/god)i think it is the absolute intensity you can produce ATM
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After reading this chapter now I'm REALLY curious. Luffy has the exact same type of Haki as Hancock. Oda would never have created this link for no reason ? What's their connection. The obvious theory would be mother-son, but it could be something more subtle than that.
It would make sense that she would pass on the '1 in a million' trait of King Haki to her offspring. What makes me even more curious is why Oda gave hancock king haki too. Luffy also recognised osmething on her back, and is immune to her charms. It's making more and more sense that she is Luffy's mother/relative.
Will she train luffy in haki ? Are they related somehow ? oooooooh can't wait for the next chapter !!!
on this topic i think she is a D.
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I've never heard this possibility mentioned before, but isn't it possible the 3 sisters just imbued all the weapons with Haki and gave them to the warriors?
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No. Not only do we see Margaret imbue her arrows with Haki, but during the arena match some of the Amazon's note how impressive Luffy was for defeating Bacura because Luffy "isn't even using Haki". Also, in the following chapter Sandersonia makes a comment that "all outsiders" are weak because they cannot use Haki.
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No. Not only do we see Margaret imbue her arrows with Haki, but during the arena match some of the Amazon's note how impressive Luffy was for defeating Bacura because Luffy "isn't even using Haki". Also, in the following chapter Sandersonia makes a comment that "all outsiders" are weak because they cannot use Haki.
that fight with the sisters is one of my favorite in the whole manga, i was a wet drooling mess:wub: … i am a kid buu fanatic
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@John:
this may sound stupid but the haki imbued arrows were very strong right?
so perhaps the unbreakable poneglyphs have a large amount of haki placed on them to make it as hard as it is…............unlikely but perhaps there's a link?That may be true… But let's hope it's not going to be a HxH referrence...
Please Oda! Be original
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That may be true… But let's hope it's not going to be a HxH referrence...
Please Oda! Be original
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:ninja:or you could say that it requires haki to write it, or lock in your writing like
gol d roger did.requires no origionality
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nah i think the whole of amazone lily is able to use haki
it's bucase magaret said that outsiders who cannot use haki are weak, and amazone lily has been femal warrier country for centuriesbut that does not solve the problem of wheather haki is intertable or learned, since grany nyon siad that luffy was born under a star (meaning luffy was born with great haki), it implies that haki is fated, or inherted
but even though people of amazone lily all learned how to use haki, they were all blood-related in the end anyway (being usch an isolated island), so it doesn't prove that haki can be learned
i think Boa hancock is luffy's Haki teacher, that's why she have the same "king Haki" like luffy, so she can teach him in most effective 'king haki" manner. i won't be suprised if Shanks have the "king's haki' too, and he become the teacher.
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but how can hancock be a teacher of something she can't even control herself???
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but how can hancock be a teacher of something she can't even control herself???
She said she hasn't mastered it. But maybe she can atleast teach him the basics. I'm sure she has more control over her haki than Luffy has.
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Hancock said Luffy hasn't mastered Haki yet. Some translations made it appear that she said that she hasn't mastered it, but she was talking about Luffy. (see Stephen's trans).
About haki, I think it's a trained ability, but some people have more potential than others. So, not everyone can have a powerful haki, but anyone could in theory learn a little of it.
And, quoting what I said in other thread:
In my opinion (not fact-based, just speculation), a lot of "special effects" in OP are haki-related but used by people who were trained to understand just those effects, not the entire haki-concept. Mantra, flying cuts, "Hear the Voice of All Things", some parts of Rokushiki (Tekkai, Rankyaku and Geppou in particular), Life Returns and other abilities are based on Haki, but their users don't know the concept of Haki and are trained to use only those specific powers.
Until Oda gives us a full explanation about what Haki really is, that's how I consider it: Haki is putting your spirit to use in battle. You can imbue your weapon with "haki" to make it stronger (like Zoro cutting steel or Margaret imbuing her arrows), to better control your body (Tekkai, Life Returns or Sandersonia controlling her hair and making it hard as steel), to manipulate elements (like Rayleigh attacking Kizaru or Marigold extending flames to cover her own body without hurting herself) or even to manipulate the will of others ("King haki" and forms of hypnotism like Miss Goldenweek, and I believe that's what Hancock does to seduce people).
Remember: just an opinion, not fact.
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its possible but im guessing the poneglyghs talk about the use of haki as an ultimate weapon
how can this be when clover said from deciphering the poneglyphs he unravelled part of the void century, and stated that the stones were made to preserve the true intentions of the government that destroyed that once famous powerful empire over 500 years ago, this may even include ancient weapons used and all sorts but so far there was never any information relating to haki and the stones…........another thing that quashes your theory is that the ancients weapons were not haki, but physical weapons themselves, this can be seen by the blueprints franky had, also a carpenter/weapons engineer had them in his property, so unless franky knows about use of haki then i disagree, also when franky saw the blueprint as a child he wanted to make it at first so it must have been something physical and not mental
(there's quite a few mistakes in the above but you get the rough idea, from chapters and episodes i can deduce its very likely the weapons aren't related to haki)
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Haki is a good thing in the one piece world to balance the powers, but why does everybody have to relate everything to haki??!!
it's really getting on my nerves and i just can't stand this anymore.
There are good theories about what haki is, but not everything that is not fully explained is related to haki…it's not like the whole world revolves on haki and every little secret has something to do with it...edit: also oda is way more creative than explaining everything with haki...
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Haki is the only thing that allows the humans without df to be high level
think about it shanks wb both are the top of the best
yet both don't use df when im sure wb could have any fruit he wantedso why did they choose to go without the power? Not swimming is a useless reason when 3 admirals don't mind that (yes i assume the 3rd has a logia)
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i just hope that it's not a "chi" type of thing that was introduced in Dragonball
Oda is a fan of dragonball though
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I wonder if Zoro will also have Kokuma no Haha shoku Haki. Hmm…probably not. I can't see how to make a pun on sushi out of it.
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From what I have understood reading the manga all this time I believe that one thing is the Haki that improves the strenght of the characters and the weapons that they wear and another one is the burst of Haki that we have seen from Shanks, Luffy and Rayleigh. The first one seems to be someone that can be learned, the second one is an innate hability that grows with the time.
I am going to see something that can be shocking for a lot of people but I am sure that when Luffy will control his Haki then he will surpass Rayleigh in his current state. This is not something that I have invented, you can find this in the manga.
The most powerful user of this type of Haki is Shanks, he was able to KO with it some pirates from Shirohige´s ship and even to damage the ship with it, something that Rayleigh and Luffy never did with their bursts.
Rayleigh used the Haki in a place where the people is less powerful than the amazons, this is why I believe that Luffy+controled Haki will be more powerful than old man Rayleigh.
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perhaps but rayleigh did hold of an admiral so his haki (if he used it at all) won't be as weak as you might think
Also: it has never been said that Luffy and Shanks have the same type of Haki, for all we know Luffy's is even stronger then his. . .And don't forget the fact that he was the second in command of the pirate king. He is one of the strongest in the world and if he isn't anymore, he sure as well was
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Shanks knocked out all that were too weak on WB's ship using, his haki, but while strong, he didn't do it with the control of Rayleigh. Rayleigh did it to people in an auditorium and exempt the SH from it. Rayleigh is stronger than Shanks, although Whitebeard is still stronger.
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Rayleigh did it to everyone in the auditorium. The SH are not weak in spirit. Read more carefully.
Rayleigh is stronger than Shanks? Says who? Rayleigh is old. Shanks is in his prime. How are you making this comparison?
And how do you know Whitebeard is still stronger now? He's also old. He even has health issues. Who knows if he'll die in the middle of his next fight.
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In spirit, Shanks and Rayleigh are about the same, but Rayleigh has more experience and control. Whitebeard at one time fought evenly with Gol D. Roger, so he's stronger than Rayleigh, but just as experienced. So Shanks loses out both on experience and strength. But he still like 40ish. He's not getting weak yet, but not much stronger either.
Also, the fact that Ussop did not know what was going on shows that he felt nothing from Rayleigh's haki burst. That means haki never reached him.