Ramblings of a Zoro fanboy? Unthinkable.
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Lol yeah Zoro surpassing Luffy is pretty out there, to say the least.
I've said for a long time that I expect Zoro to have kingbition, though, and this chapter encourages me.
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@Myu:
Sovereign Haki… If we go by the logic only the strong willed holds this power. I want Zoro to have it too. And maybe surpass Luffy at that haki line.
I mean, why not? We all know the things Zoro have done and withstand. I actually think Zoro's will power surpasses Luffy's. But he is lacking that Haki DNA anyways so it goes kind of to waste.It should have been some kind of DNA. By DNA, i don't mean in users' cells literally. But as a some kind of gift that you can't achieve it even if you are more strong willed than CoC users.
I think you are ignoring the things Luffy has done, especially in Impel Down…
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Zoro was the perect candidate for CoC and now he most likely has it. But lol at him surpassing Luffy with it. He still will lean towards CoO most I think
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Well I definitely wouldn't argue against Zoro having more willpower than Luffy, its just who he is. He is the only member of the crew who consistently trains at every opportunity as well as the one whose gone through the most life threatening battles(besides maybe Usopp). I always get the feeling that with luffy its his carefree attitude that everything will turn out okay that makes him push through rather than 'I won't die because I have a dream.' (Oops I rambled off topic)
Anyways I do not think Zoro would ever be able to surpass Luffy with CoC because i feel that CoC depends more one Luffy's carefree strength of not doubting than pure willpower. I say this because of the other characters who use it, namely Hancock who never doubts herself because she firmly believes herself better than all men.
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After Luffy's feats of willpower through Impel Down and the war I don't see how anyone would think that Zoro has MORE than Luffy. Just… no. Equal, possibly, Zoro at Thriller Bark is not to be taken lightly, but there is no way that he surpasses his captain. I feel that Luffy in moments like this:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-6/one-piece/chapter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-7/one-piece/chapter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-8/one-piece/chapter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-9/one-piece/chapter-208.htmlIs pretty much at the highest level of pure determination and resolve as we'll ever like to see in OP. And I think that's Oda's intention.
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I'll be biased; Luffy feats of willpower > Zoro.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2645-5/one-piece/chapter-538.html and http://www.mangareader.net/103-2645-19/one-piece/chapter-538.html
vs.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2592-19/one-piece/chapter-485.html
What enamores our Zoro fanboys, is the fact that while luffy either coughs, yells or grunts. Zoro has this epic line that makes him seem über-aweomse, which is true. But in bare feats it doesn't add up.
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Also in terms of this scene: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2592-19/one-piece/chapter-485.html Luffy suffered through it before Zoro did…
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This forum should not allow blind comments like this. No fucking one can't talk to me in a irritative way that i don't want to and with a nonsense that doesn't add a shit to conversation!
Willpower is something can't be measured. Being how strong is like that too. Zoro is stronger than Luffy and can cut his haki armored hands and legs like sticks! What up?
Of course, Luffy is building to be the Pirate King. So him standing on the top what this manga will be finished with. But up until now, in my point of view, things have been shown to us makes me believe Zoro's willpower do stands not one bit lower to Luffy's.
Luffy's determination is something coming from ignorance. And ignorance bliss. Always saying he is going to be Pirate King is nice and you have to make yourself crystal clear on that decision to achieve it. But… That is not willpower my friends. That is a bliss coming from the ignorance. Say Akainu was there instead of Croco's place. Luffy would again have say the same things but the outcome would have been different.
So i'm taking the will power as one's strength in him or herself to struggle. When Luffy had lost Ace and was in Amazon Lily, what happened to his willpower? So screaming things does not count. You can be crushed either way.Things in Impel Down was astonishing for me too I have to say. Made me admire Luffy much much more. And it makes a nice score on Luffy's board. But, again, things this manga showed us so far clearly gives me the fact Zoro doesn't stand anywhere lower to Luffy in will power.
Yeah, yeah, i know. Luffy ganabe Payeyt KiynQ… Of course Oda will make him stay on top. But again, things so far, Zoro rules when it comes to will power.And you want facts? All the suffering and pain that made Luffy unconscious, added with what Zoro endured in Thriller Bark to the point where Kuma inflicted Luffy's damage, wasn't able to knock out the person who made his fanboy. Zoro is the King alright.
And out of the blue. I was checking some old chapters. Look to the man who was ensnared by a chain. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2597-11/one-piece/chapter-490.html
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@Myu:
This forum should not allow blind comments like this. No fucking one can't talk to me in a irritative way that i don't want to and with a nonsense that doesn't add a shit to conversation!
Willpower is something can't be measured. Being how strong is like that too. Zoro is stronger than Luffy and can cut his haki armored hands and legs like sticks! What up?
Of course, Luffy is building to be the Pirate King. So him standing on the top what this manga will be finished with. But up until now, in my point of view, things have been shown to us makes me believe Zoro's willpower do stands not one bit lower to Luffy's.
Luffy's determination is something coming from ignorance. And ignorance bliss. Always saying he is going to be Pirate King is nice and you have to make yourself crystal clear on that decision to achieve it. But… That is not willpower my friends. That is a bliss coming from the ignorance. Say Akainu was there instead of Croco's place. Luffy would again have say the same things but the outcome would have been different.
So i'm taking the will power as one's strength in him or herself to struggle. When Luffy had lost Ace and was in Amazon Lily, what happened to his willpower? So screaming things does not count. You can be crushed either way.Things in Impel Down was astonishing for me too I have to say. Made me admire Luffy much much more. And it makes a nice score on Luffy's board. But, again, things this manga showed us so far clearly gives me the fact Zoro doesn't stand anywhere lower to Luffy in will power.
Yeah, yeah, i know. Luffy ganabe Payeyt KiynQ… Of course Oda will make him stay on top. But again, things so far, Zoro rules when it comes to will power.And you want facts? All the suffering and pain that made Luffy unconscious, added with what Zoro endured in Thriller Bark to the point where Kuma inflicted Luffy's damage, wasn't able to knock out the person who made his fanboy. Zoro is the King alright.
And out of the blue. I was checking some old chapters. Look to the man who was ensnared by a chain. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2597-11/one-piece/chapter-490.html
Just saying these things doesn't prove anything about Zoro having more will power than Luffy. Lifting weights doesn't mean he has great will power… Endurence, power and will power are all different things. No one is saying that Zoro is weak willed. I don't even think that he is necessarily weaker than Luffy, just different. Also the Akainu vs Croc comparison makes no sense. Lets say that Zoro had to fight Akainu in stead of Mr 1, the out come would have been different too...
Also thinking Luffy is ignorant is an interesting opinion because he notices things don't work and doesn't try them again. For example with Smoker when he met him in Alabasta for the second time he knew that he couldn't fight him so he ran away, which isn't ignorant. He knew that using water to coat his hands and legs would allow him harm Croc, which isn't ignorant. In terms of declaring himself pirate king he isn't ignorant, he's just confident. He is especially not ignorant once he Ace dies and he says he is weak, that's very self reflexive and is a moment of clarity for Luffy. He knows what he wants and goes for it, that has nothing to do with being ignorant.
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@Doke:
Just saying these things doesn't prove anything about Zoro having more will power than Luffy. Lifting weights doesn't mean he has great will power… Endurence, power and will power are all different things. No one is saying that Zoro is weak willed. I don't even think that he is necessarily weaker than Luffy, just different. Also the Akainu vs Croc comparison makes no sense. Lets say that Zoro had to fight Akainu in stead of Mr 1, the out come would have been different too...
Also thinking Luffy is ignorant is an interesting opinion because he notices things don't work and doesn't try them again. For example with Smoker when he met him in Alabasta for the second time he knew that he couldn't fight him so he ran away, which isn't ignorant. He knew that using water to coat his hands and legs would allow him harm Croc, which isn't ignorant. In terms of declaring himself pirate king he isn't ignorant, he's just confident. He is especially not ignorant once he Ace dies and he says he is weak, that's very self reflexive and is a moment of clarity for Luffy. He knows what he wants and goes for it, that has nothing to do with being ignorant.
Zoro lifting lifts was a something out of the blue and was out of my theme of the message. Thats why i wrote it as a minitext…
Ofcourse in Zoro's case too Akainu example would be the same but thing that i'm trying to say is, wandering around saying you're gonna be the pirate king and beat your opponent doesn't count as will power.
What happened on Amazing Lily was nothing about Luffy's inself. It was just a reality punch to the head. That point there wasn't anything to ignore. -
This guy is even more hardcore than me…
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This guy is even more hardcore than me…
Yeah but then he types crap like this and expects to be taken seriously.
Willpower is something can't be measured. Being how strong is like that too. Zoro is stronger than Luffy and can cut his haki armored hands and legs like sticks! What up?
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The dude's hilarious.
Not in a good way, but hey. /popcorn
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The dude's hilarious.
Not in a good way, but hey. /popcorn
Would you share your popcorn?
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Yeah but then he types crap like this and expects to be taken seriously.
I seriously doubt you guys. That was because you called me a fanboy. That was sarcasm.
What is taken to be seriously and what is not is easy to spot.
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@Myu:
I seriously doubt you guys. That was because you called me a fanboy. That was sarcasm.
What is taken to be seriously and what is not is easy to spot.
Once again, this manga so far, makes me believe Zoro's will power is not worse than Luffy's.I don't know how I could argue will power. All I know is that Zoro himself see's Luffy as (for lack of a better word) superior. Be it will power, physical strength or what ever, his words to Kuma let me know that without Luffy, Zoro knows he won't accomplish anything. I mean yeah theoretically he could still accomplish his dream, but those were Zoro's words not mine.
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I don't know how I could argue will power. All I know is that Zoro himself see's Luffy as (for lack of a better word) superior. Be it will power, physical strength or what ever, his words to Kuma let me know that without Luffy, Zoro knows he won't accomplish anything. I mean yeah theoretically he could still accomplish his dream, but those were Zoro's words not mine.
I don't really think that's what Zoro was saying in that scene. Rather than "I need Luffy's help to achieve my ambition," he was more like: "If I can't even manage to do this (protect Luffy) then how can I possibly be worthy of achieving my own ambition?" Both Zoro and Luffy have been down this road in other situations. It's not that the the cost of failure (the loss of a friend) is necessarily too high, it's that the act of failing might be emblematic of a deeper fault within themselves that could prevent them from achieving their dreams.
As for Zoro seeing Luffy as superior, I think a better way of phrasing it is that Zoro sees something in Luffy that's worthy of his admiration. You can admire someone and want to devote yourself to their cause without feeling that you are inferior to them. In effect, Zoro has rolled his dream into Luffy's–helping to make Luffy the Pirate King is part of how he will prove himself the World's Greatest Swordsman.
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@Doke:
Just saying these things doesn't prove anything about Zoro having more will power than Luffy. Lifting weights doesn't mean he has great will power… Endurence, power and will power are all different things. No one is saying that Zoro is weak willed. I don't even think that he is necessarily weaker than Luffy, just different. Also the Akainu vs Croc comparison makes no sense. Lets say that Zoro had to fight Akainu in stead of Mr 1, the out come would have been different too...
You can't say training as hard as Zoro does doesn't require willpower. It does show how determined and serious Zoro is. Ok it may look like fanservice to show Zoro training with gigantic weights and all, but it's more than just that.
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You can't say training as hard as Zoro does doesn't require willpower. It does show how determined and serious Zoro is. Ok it may look like fanservice to show Zoro training with gigantic lifts and all, but it's more than just that.
I think Zoro has great determination and will power, but there isn't an inherent correlation between lifting weights and will power…
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I don't really think that's what Zoro was saying in that scene. Rather than "I need Luffy's help to achieve my ambition," he was more like: "If I can't even manage to do this (protect Luffy) then how can I possibly be worthy of achieving my own ambition?" Both Zoro and Luffy have been down this road in other situations. It's not that the the cost of failure (the loss of a friend) is necessarily too high, it's that the act of failing might be emblematic of a deeper fault within themselves that could prevent them from achieving their dreams.
As for Zoro seeing Luffy as superior, I think a better way of phrasing it is that Zoro sees something in Luffy that's worthy of his admiration. You can admire someone and want to devote yourself to their cause without feeling that you are inferior to them. In effect, Zoro has rolled his dream into Luffy's–helping to make Luffy the Pirate King is part of how he will prove himself the World's Greatest Swordsman.
These kind of posts always irritate the crap out of me… They make me say, "dammit why can't I express my thought this well!"
Edit: but then after a little while I remember, it's cause I'm not that smart.
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@Doke:
I think Zoro has great determination and will power, but there isn't an inherent correlation between lifting weights and will power…
the point isnt that he's lifting gigantic weights. its that he's lifting any weights at all. Zoro trains around the clock, while Luffy just goofs around
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the point isnt that he's lifting gigantic weights. its that he's lifting any weights at all. Zoro trains around the clock, while Luffy just goofs around
Actually there is still no correlation between weightlifting and willpower. Luffy goofing off is the point that doesn't relate to the conversation. DUH!
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Go lift some like Zoro does, then, we'll see if you don't need some will… Zoro trains very hard and has always done so. How can you say it doesn't require willpower ?
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it requires willpower to consistently train every day. It does not require willpower to goof around -.-
What Luffy has is called rage. A.k.a he just wants to "butobasu" beat people up cus he's angry at what they've done. Apart from once in a while where he decides to beat someone up, Luffy can be considered one of the laziest characters in the series.
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It doesn't take much willpower to consistently train every day once you've formed the habit.
What does require lots of willpower is pushing yourself beyond your limits (like, say, fighting a war after nearly dying), which is something Zoro obviously doesn't do with just his weights considering he never struggles with them.
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It doesn't take much willpower to consistently train every day once you've formed the habit.
What does require lots of willpower is pushing yourself beyond your limits (like, say, fighting a war after nearly dying), which is something Zoro obviously doesn't do with just his weights considering he never struggles with them.
Well, he does push his limits too, in his fights. The fact that he trains just adds to his merit. No one said it was his principal willpower-needing deed.
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An example of willpower and being lazy.
I never said Zoro doesn't have willpower or extreme determination, but just that in general lifting weights has nothing to do with willpower.
PS if you wanna use Japanese Romanizationr please spell them correctly. Iits not "butobasu" its "buttobasu."
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It doesn't take much willpower to consistently train every day once you've formed the habit.
What does require lots of willpower is pushing yourself beyond your limits (like, say, fighting a war after nearly dying), which is something Zoro obviously doesn't do with just his weights considering he never struggles with them.
Now that's a bit unfair, Zoro always pushed himself to, and past, his limits. Tell me he's not pushing himself here.
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Now that's a bit unfair, Zoro always pushed himself to, and past, his limits. Tell me he's not pushing himself here.
Of course he's pushing himself, but not up to and past his limits. That's what happens during fights, which has been both Luffy and Zoro's main sources of growth IMO. I don't really consider Zoro's weight-lifting to have as much impact as the rest of you, I guess.
If it does, I guess it makes Luffy's feats of strength all the more impressive because he does them out of pure natural strength and willpower, seeing as he doesn't lift any weights …
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It doesn't take much willpower to consistently train every day once you've formed the habit.
What does require lots of willpower is pushing yourself beyond your limits (like, say, fighting a war after nearly dying), which is something Zoro obviously doesn't do with just his weights considering he never struggles with them.
zoro is more often close to death and still fighting than ruffy. also he took all of ruffys pain at thriller bark. now say that doesnt require willpower.
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Fanboys are hard to discuss with
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zoro is more often close to death and still fighting than ruffy. also he took all of ruffys pain at thriller bark. now say that doesnt require willpower.
More often closer to death and still fighting than Luffy? ….No, I'm pretty sure he's not.
Ok, now say what any of that has to do with my post that was making statements regarding his weightlifting?
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I think Luffy has so much willpower that it manifests as physical force. That's why he never seemingly has to train constantly.
In the real world, muscles are delimited by the brain so that muscles don't destroy themselves when contracting forcefully. Also in the real world, willpower is limited, and cannot transfer "intention" outside of nerve signals. The brain will never willfully surpass muscular limitations. If muscles do surpass their limitations, it is by external factors (forceful tearing) or internal foreign factors (diseases like tetanus), but never by willpower.
However, in One Piece, willpower can cause the body to surpass ordinary boundaries. Thus, Zoro is always exercising his willpower in lifting ridiculous quantities of weight. However, I think Luffy evidently has stronger willpower because he normally never trains, but is able to defeat many of his strongest enemies.
Zoro also has strong willpower, but he trains anyway. I have a few theories about it: 1. Zoro trains to enhance his willpower. 2. Zoro trains because he is never satisfied or has concern about his current strength level. 3. He trains to alleviate boredom.
Zoro could enhance his willpower by pushing himself beyond normal limits in amount of weight lifted or by number of reps. I don't thing he pushes himself as far as some of his battles have simply because he gets injured when pushed that far, and it is be burdensome on his crewmates to take care of him after injury.
Zoro also could train because he feels he isn't strong enough to defeat all upcoming opponents. This would imply insecurity about his own abilities, and he copes by dealing with them directly, by training.
Zoro could also train because he isn't interested in doing anything else other than training when he's on board the ship. I would favor this explanation because Zoro seems less weak, and fits best with the behaviors of Luffy and Sanji, who don't seem to train excessively but are super strong nonetheless.As for what Haki has to do with training, I guess it depends on what kind of training. I don't see lifting weights as the kind to unleash Haki. I think the kind where your immensely stronger trainer beats you down, and you get up, would be more likely to develop Haki.
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Of course he's pushing himself, but not up to and past his limits. That's what happens during fights, which has been both Luffy and Zoro's main sources of growth IMO. I don't really consider Zoro's weight-lifting to have as much impact as the rest of you, I guess.
If it does, I guess it makes Luffy's feats of strength all the more impressive because he does them out of pure natural strength and willpower, seeing as he doesn't lift any weights …
I'm mostly in agreement with you, I was just saying that claiming that he never struggles with them is a bit unfair.
I think that all the training Zoro is shown doing in the manga is to show and to stay true to Zoro's personality, that's why it's in the manga at all. It's not about strength or willpower, it's just a device.
I could elaborate on what Zoro's personality is and a bunch of other stuff, but I'm not very good at that, so I'll leave it up to you guys to decide what Oda is trying to tell us about Zoro's personality.
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I'm mostly in agreement with you, I was just saying that claiming that he never struggles with them is a bit unfair.
I think that all the training Zoro is shown doing in the manga is to show and to stay true to Zoro's personality, that's why it's in the manga at all. It's not about strength or willpower, it's just a device.
I could elaborate on what Zoro's personality is and a bunch of other stuff, but I'm not very good at that, so I'll leave it up to you guys to decide what Oda is trying to tell us about Zoro's personality.
Well, one difference in their personalities has always been confidence in their abilities. We know both of them have been wanting to get stronger ever since they were children, but Luffy became so strong by the time he first set out that he never really doubted himself before. In the beginning we always saw Luffy saying he was strong etc., and he was able to back it up.
Difference between the two is that Zoro experienced his earth-shattering defeat against Mihawk, forcing him to face "the world" much earlier than Luffy, thus making him obsess about becoming even stronger whereas Luffy felt confident in himself up until losing his crew and brother. From the look of it, Luffy now seems to have gained his confidence back.. and we'll just have to see if Zoro still trains a lot during his off-time. -
Well, one difference in their personalities has always been confidence in their abilities. We know both of them have been wanting to get stronger ever since they were children, but Luffy became so strong by the time he first set out that he never really doubted himself before. In the beginning we always saw Luffy saying he was strong etc., and he was able to back it up.
Difference between the two is that Zoro experienced his earth-shattering defeat against Mihawk, forcing him to face "the world" much earlier than Luffy, thus making him obsess about becoming even stronger whereas Luffy felt confident in himself up until losing his crew and brother. From the look of it, Luffy now seems to have gained his confidence back.. and we'll just have to see if Zoro still trains a lot during his off-time.If you want to compare their two world breaking trauma then one could argue that Luffy has less willpower than Zoro, since after Zoro's defeat to Mihawk, the 1st statement he made was one of absolution of his goal. Giving up has never been an option for him. Without Jinbe nearby, Luffy would have quit being a pirate.
I can't really tell from your most recent posts, you are stating that Zoro never pushes himself past his limits? If so, then his displays at Thriller Bark and Arlong Park would put that issue to rest
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If you want to compare their two world breaking trauma then one could argue that Luffy has less willpower than Zoro, since after Zoro's defeat to Mihawk, the 1st statement he made was one of absolution of his goal. Giving up has never been an option for him. Without Jinbe nearby, Luffy would have quit being a pirate.
I can't really tell from your most recent posts, you are stating that Zoro never pushes himself past his limits? If so, then his displays at Thriller Bark and Arlong Park would put that issue to rest
Once again, I was saying he doesn't push himself past his limits with his weightlifting. If/when he does, it's through fighting, just like the "lazy Luffy".
And of course Zoro didn't react as strongly as Luffy, but simply being defeated wouldn't prompt Luffy to want to stop being a pirate either - after he utterly lost to Aokiji he instead developed a new technique. I just used Mihawk as an example because of the big wall he was, but obviously Luffy's wall was that much higher and hit him way harder than just a defeat.
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If you want to compare their two world breaking trauma then one could argue that Luffy has less willpower than Zoro, since after Zoro's defeat to Mihawk, the 1st statement he made was one of absolution of his goal. Giving up has never been an option for him. Without Jinbe nearby, Luffy would have quit being a pirate.
Hardly. Luffy didn't just realize that lots of people could kick his ass, he had his brother die in his arms in a most gruesome way. It's not as if Luffy was anguishing over being defeated, it was over Ace's death and how powerless he was to stop it. Luffy has the "I need to be the strongest to protect others" angle to him a bit more than Zoro so it's no surprise that he virtually breaks down when he actually fails to do that and the person dies.
I think Luffy and Zoro probably have equally strong wills. From all I can tell neither would break under the other's. Oda has given both of them such incredible showings that it wouldn't be fair to say that one of them has an outright stronger will.
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yall take things to literally. Luffy has COC and Zoro doesn't. Rayleigh never said anyone could have it. If so the the guy waiting in fog for 50 years would have it.
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Once again, I was saying he doesn't push himself past his limits with his weightlifting. If/when he does, it's through fighting, just like the "lazy Luffy".
And of course Zoro didn't react as strongly as Luffy, but simply being defeated wouldn't prompt Luffy to want to stop being a pirate either - after he utterly lost to Aokiji he instead developed a new technique. I just used Mihawk as an example because of the big wall he was, but obviously Luffy's wall was that much higher and hit him way harder than just a defeat.
Aokiji wasn't a manifestation of his dream. When slapped in the face by a dream halting circumstance, Luffy wanted to quit. Don't ignore that fact.
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Aokiji wasn't a manifestation of his dream. When slapped in the face by a dream halting circumstance, Luffy wanted to quit. Don't ignore that fact.
In turn, don't ignore the fact that Luffy's dream doesn't boil down to one man. But say Mihawk was less than friendly and Zoro had to watch him take everybody out, including Luffy…. you don't think he'd despair? Or if Kuma did the same at Thriller Bark?
Also, out of curiosity, when did he say he wanted to quit?
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In turn, don't ignore the fact that Luffy's dream doesn't boil down to one man. But say Mihawk was less than friendly and Zoro had to watch him take everybody out, including Luffy…. you don't think he'd despair? Or if Kuma did the same at Thriller Bark?
Also, out of curiosity, when did he say he wanted to quit?
He would most definitely despair but I don't believe that he would behave the same as Luffy.
I actually went to go and check myself and it seems that I was slightly mistaken. It was only heavily insinuated that he wanted to quit. The words were never spoken by anyone like I remembered. Chapter 590 is were I came to my conclusion.
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He would most definitely despair but I don't believe that he would behave the same as Luffy.
I actually went to go and check myself and it seems that I was slightly mistaken. It was only heavily insinuated that he wanted to quit. The words were never spoken by anyone like I remembered. Chapter 590 is were I came to my conclusion.
It no where near the same thing zoro lost a fight and then he promise luffy to get stronger so he had someone there for him .
Luffy lost allot of fights and then get right back up and keep on going but your brother dying in your arms is way more heavy than losing a fight .
In luffy mind Ace dying and him not able to protect him was worst than losing his own life . -
@Doke:
An example of willpower and being lazy.
I never said Zoro doesn't have willpower or extreme determination, but just that in general lifting weights has nothing to do with willpower.
PS if you wanna use Japanese Romanizationr please spell them correctly. Iits not "butobasu" its "buttobasu."
If you think lifting weights dusnt require willpower, you obviously don't lift weights. And who cares if i missed a t in the romaji, dont be such a pseudo-spelling Nazi, you know what i meant.
Daily training and pushing yourself without needing an external danger to motivate you is what real willpower is. If just powering up last-minute and defeating your enemies can be considered willpower, then Ichigo from Bleach would have the most willpower ever.
Anyone who says that Zoro isnt pushing his limits is seriously stupid. Do you see him lifting less and less weights and taking it easier each time he works out? Every time Oda depicts Zoro training, he's always showing how Zoro desires to continue to improve himself and increase his limits.
Luffy, on the other hand, doesn't push his own limits. He waits until mortal danger and someone else to push his limits for him. The exception to this is his 2-year (presumably he was training the whole time) training with Rayleigh. I would say that post-TS Luffy definitely developed some serious willpower. However, for the vast majority of the series, he was just goofing around until he decided to beat someone up.
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"Anyone who says that Zoro isnt pushing his limits is seriously stupid."
"Luffy, on the other hand, doesn't push his own limits."
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If you think lifting weights dusnt require willpower, you obviously don't lift weights. And who cares if i missed a t in the romaji, dont be such a pseudo-spelling Nazi, you know what i meant.
Daily training and pushing yourself without needing an external danger to motivate you is what real willpower is. If just powering up last-minute and defeating your enemies can be considered willpower, then Ichigo from Bleach would have the most willpower ever.
Anyone who says that Zoro isnt pushing his limits is seriously stupid. Do you see him lifting less and less weights and taking it easier each time he works out? Every time Oda depicts Zoro training, he's always showing how Zoro desires to continue to improve himself and increase his limits.
Luffy, on the other hand, doesn't push his own limits. He waits until mortal danger and someone else to push his limits for him. The exception to this is his 2-year (presumably he was training the whole time) training with Rayleigh. I would say that post-TS Luffy definitely developed some serious willpower. However, for the vast majority of the series, he was just goofing around until he decided to beat someone up.
yeah zoro lifts weights and that might take some willpower but that is nothing compare to luffy .
Who almost got kill countless time by garp when he was young for training when it comes to will power .
Trying to win or save your own life is going to make you much stronger that lifting weights .
Luffy can goofing around all he want because when the time come he has the willpower to get over anything but as SB and the War shows you need more than that .
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Apropos to absolutely nothing at all, and completely off topic, I suppose, I found this piece of random info and thought it was funny:
Bouhaki, from Egypt around 2,000 B.C., was the the first domestic cat to be given a name. ("bou" meant "house").
I wonder what the "haki" part meant–seems as though it might be "cat." LOL.
And to get back on topic, I would suggest that being obsessive about working out could mean strong self will and thus great chance for haki (I won't get into whose is stronger) but it could just mean obsessive behavior, lol. People have been known to be addicted to working out...
FTR though, I believe Zoro will have Kingbition by the end, just like Rayleigh.
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I personally dont see all the Strawhats getting Haki as it would downgrade the imporatance of Haki as a rare ability.Theres alos the fact that all the strawhats will need adequate training should they get it-thus I only see a few of them obtaining it namely-The Monster Trio and Robin.This four have already been hinted at having it and i think its fitting.As for Franky,Usopp,Nami,Brook they could always add seastone to their weapons and be good to go against Logias.Chopper is a bit iffy though
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Haki isn't necessarily all that rare, it's implied that while everyone has it, not many people have the talent to activate it. For example, after the war, Coby said he had 'felt' everyone dying, which is Observation Haki.
Luffy has rare Haoshoku Haki, not because he's destined to, but because he wouldn't have gotten this far without it! I think Franky, Usopp, Nami, Brook, and Sanji (he doesn't have Haki) will find different ways to support their nakama against stronger enemies. It's revealed that Sanji used some of the CP9 techniques.