No idea, wasn't a member back then, but I don't recall Enel ever turning into lightening completely when fighting Luffy either, for what that's worth, and the argument about Ace does in part involve whether he was in solid form or not at the time of the impact…
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Well since the anime ep was written a good long time after the actual events transpired in the manga, I would have to guess the writers of the ep knew about haki when they wrote their anime adaptation (I would be horrified to learn that they didn't, if that were the case, actually), and it was not my intention to imply otherwise in my posts, so I'm not sure what your point is to be frank. But thank you, lol.
Sorry yeah I misread your mention of Anime - it's 3am here - comprehension fails on me.
But to answer your claims, no, in my understanding of both Rayleigh's explanation to Luffy and the doctor's quick little blurb to Cody, haki needs to be awakened by either trauma or training, and not everyone can do it no matter how hard they train. So while it may exist in all people in varying degrees, not everyone can harness it.
My understanding was it can sometimes be awakened by high stress situations but can be pulled out of people.
Like how CP9 trained.
Most people would go through never awakening it because most people avoid situations that would put them in that situation. I also think that Garps training was designed to awaken Haki in Coby and possibly Helmeppo (spelling)
I think if anyone is angry about Haki now they will be positively fuming with some more exposition and demonstration of abilities.
Was there such a debate when Luffy was able to hit Enel without haki?
I believe because Luffy is non conductive and made of Rubber - Enel's logia state of Electricity could not be performed. A tiny amount of water was enough to make all of Croc solid - so therefor it can be argued that Luffy being 100% rubber could nulify his Logia state.
I don't think the argument would have applied back then the only thing we knew of was Mantra - which would have been assumed as being only Sky Island. To my knowledge Haki hadn't been mentioned at all back then - and even the reference from Shanks would have been argued to be something else.
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I don't believe CoC is life return.
I'm not sure what it's going to be like until we see more fighting.
I didnt mean it was life return.I said one of the abiulities is life return.Read it and understand
I don't think it's possible to activate Gear 2nd for only one part of the body… It's about blood circulation, you know.
It is with lifereturn.My theory explains why.
looks like no one like theories here on arlong park.
@Cymelion:I believe they're speculating/fanfic writting - I'll admit I stopped reading the post shortly into it and just scanned the rest lol
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I didnt mean it was life return.I said one of the abiulities is life return.Read it and understand
It's 6am in the morning I have done a 12 hour night shift on bugger all sleep - sorry my comprehension is going to be severely limited at this time.
It is with lifereturn.My theory explains why.
looks like no one like theories here on arlong park.Lifereturn may (emphasis on may) be associated with CoC but then you question why others without CoC are able to perform Lifereturn. If you are implying that CoC is able to enhance Lifereturn then I would say maybe - but lets see a little more exposition about what CoC is capable of first - maybe some SBS's
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I tried mate - but it is just too hard to get to the meat of the statement/argument - a lot of it is opinion or what you hope to happen - which is fine that is how forums are meant to work. Thing is I am not judging you on it or calling you out either I am just a tired man trying to stay alert at work and that post was having the opposite effect.
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No idea, wasn't a member back then, but I don't recall Enel ever turning into lightening completely when fighting Luffy either, for what that's worth, and the argument about Ace does in part involve whether he was in solid form or not at the time of the impact…
A logia's default state is in their element so it's not really necessary. However, if an example is really needed we have Ener using 200 Million Volt: Lightning God. It visibly shows Ener as an full on lightningman yet he was struck just the same because of Luffy being able to actually hit him.
The situation with Ace getting punched through by Sakazuki is similar in that the former's abilities as a Power User were forcibly canceled out. Whether the Armament Aspect was utilized or not in that hit the result would have been the same, but the way magmaman went on about the superiority of his Devil Fruit leans toward Ambition not being used.
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Haki exists, but fuc* it, there is more to One Piece than that. Haki exists as a natural equalizer in battle, to overcome the concepts of unnatural strength and devil fruits in One Piece. So not everything such be linked back to it, gosh.
Though there is no way to determine whether or not haki was used by Akainu to kill Ace, it is blantantly obviously that Akainu knew that his ability would hurt Ace, especially if Ace lowered his defence. It points to him not needing haki at all because Akainu knew Ace's weakness – his self-sacrifice for the people associated with him, whether it be foolishly defending Roger's name, or fighting to protect his adopted brothers, or blinding fighting to protect Whitebeard's name. The moment Akainu went after Luffy, it was game over; Ace didn't even defend. Once Akainu fire overcame Ace's natural defence, it was like he wasn't Logia at all; yes, it would seem that Ace's fire prevent him from dying immediately, but it was still like a normal human being burned by fire.
Likewise, Luffy's attack does the same thing to Enel. Once the punch hit him, it was like he lost all control of his powers, and his natural defence became nil for a short time after the contact.
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A logia's default state is in their element so it's not really necessary. However, if an example is really needed we have Ener using 200 Million Volt: Lightning God. It visibly shows Ener as an full on lightningman yet he was struck just the same because of Luffy being able to actually hit him.
The situation with Ace getting punched through by Sakazuki is similar in that the former's abilities as a Power User were forcibly canceled out. Whether the Armament Aspect was utilized or not in that hit the result would have been the same, but the way magmaman went on about the superiority of his Devil Fruit leans toward Ambition not being used.
Thank you Vanessa. You are the first person to actually give me a logical reason why Akainu didn't use haki rather than just saying not.
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If a logia's default state is their element the how do you explain Luffy slamming Ace and Smoker through a couple of walls in Arabasta? If their default state is their elements then: 1.Luffy would have gone though them and 2. They would not have gone through the walls.
Wait, was this only in the anime? If so ignore it I have not read that part of the manga.
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A gag.
It's the same reason Nami can hurt Luffy with her punches.
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Yeah I know it was a gag, I just thought that their default state was like a normal person, but they become their element when they use their power otherwise logias would have trouble holding things.
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Like how Smoker holds his jutte, Ener with his spear or Ace holding that letter in his coverstory?
Feel free to disagree if you want but to me, what you're talking about, seems more like one those "it just works" things like clothing inheriting the properties of whatever Devil Fruit to avoid having naked people running around.
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A logia's default state is in their element so it's not really necessary. However, if an example is really needed we have Ener using 200 Million Volt: Lightning God. It visibly shows Ener as an full on lightningman yet he was struck just the same because of Luffy being able to actually hit him.
Logia's natural state is not their elemental form, at least not in the same way that Luffy's body naturally has rubber properties. Logias are able to completely turn off their intangibility (as Caribou did to hide his power), and when submersed in water logias revert to a normal human body (Smoker being rescued in Arabasta). I always thought that they trained their bodies to use the power reflexively or something. This doesn't really affect rest of Vanessa's analysis. Akainu made to blatantly clear that his DF powers were superior to Ace's and based on passed matches of logias and their weaknesses it would unnecessary for Akainu to use haki. Also COA has never be shown to do damage other than that which could be done by physical objects. All known COA attacks have be some variation of squeezing, cutting, or smashing. If Akainu did use COA, it is the first time we have see a haki attack burn.
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Ener remaining a lightningman even while asleep(Kamakiri attacking him) and dead(Wiper's Reject Dial) would disagree.
Throw in Ace having to remake Oars III's hat multiple times due to burning it helps too.
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Number 7 and Vanessa, I've given this a lot of thought (LOL–yes I have no life at the moment) just because Akainu made it clear that he thought his power was superior to Ace's doesn't really mean much. People in those sorts of situations talk trash to each other as a matter course in trying to gain the psychological advantage. He was already talking trash about the WB pirates and WB himself, talking trash about Ace's power isn't much of a stretch from there. Really, that in and of itself isn't much proof that he didn't use CoA. Furthermore, along the lines of this actual argument, Akainu's comment here to Ace saying "Just because we are both logia you got careless?" could be a simple part of his statement of superiority, or it could be talking about the need to develop other skills aside from being a logia. I feel the need to ask how Akainu could possibly know for sure that his was the superior logia if he'd never fought Ace prior to that moment, and the fruit couldn't have existed any earlier than 50 years prior to Ace eating it? Akainu doesn't appear to be over 50, so his chances of having encountered the fire fruit previously seem pretty slim. Further, from this pic it seems pretty clear that Ace was indeed at least partially in his fire form. So why did he manage to overcome Ace? The explanation that his magma smothered Ace's fire could be the answer, and certainly seems the most logical answer if CoA wasn't used, but again I stand by the idea that there is still a chance that CoA could have been used, sicne it was never stated one way or another (yet at least). Furthermore, the initial attack was meant for Luffy, who Akainu had just witnessed not too long before that moment using CoC, so I maintain (in the face of the embarrasingly little we know about it) that Akainu may have used CoA just in case in his intended attack against an unknown quantity, eg Luffy–not Ace.
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Ener remaining a lightningman even while asleep(Kamakiri attacking him) and dead(Wiper's Reject Dial) would disagree.
Throw in Ace having to remake Oars III's hat multiple times due to burning it helps too.
This statement here by Franky makes it seem like, a logia user can control being in his ability form or not.
"He took that attack earlier on purpose"
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or maybe it just goes to say how untrained smoker, enel and Ace are with their logia fruits.
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Yes, Caribou took the attack, it's not really anything new. We've seen Kuzan do a similar thing, albeit not for feigning weakness, back at Long Ring Long Island to Luffy's Gomu Gomu Bullet.
And if you're seriously suggesting Caribou is more adept than the three you've stated…wow.
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Number 7 and Vanessa, I've given this a lot of thought (LOL–yes I have no life at the moment) just because Akainu made it clear that he thought his power was superior to Ace's doesn't really mean much. People in those sorts of situations talk trash to each other as a matter course in trying to gain the psychological advantage. He was already talking trash about the WB pirates and WB himself, talking trash about Ace's power isn't much of a stretch from there. Really, that in and of itself isn't much proof that he didn't use CoA. Furthermore, along the lines of this actual argument, Akainu's comment here to Ace saying "Just because we are both logia you got careless?" could be a simple part of his statement of superiority, or it could be talking about the need to develop other skills aside from being a logia. I feel the need to ask how Akainu could possibly know for sure that his was the superior logia if he'd never fought Ace prior to that moment, and the fruit couldn't have existed any earlier than 50 years prior to Ace eating it? Akainu doesn't appear to be over 50, so his chances of having encountered the fire fruit previously seem pretty slim. Further, from this pic it seems pretty clear that Ace was indeed at least partially in his fire form. So why did he manage to overcome Ace? The explanation that his magma smothered Ace's fire could be the answer, and certainly seems the most logical answer if CoA wasn't used, but again I stand by the idea that there is still a chance that CoA could have been used, sicne it was never stated one way or another (yet at least). Furthermore, the initial attack was meant for Luffy, who Akainu had just witnessed not too long before that moment using CoC, so I maintain (in the face of the embarrasingly little we know about it) that Akainu may have used CoA just in case in his intended attack against an unknown quantity, eg Luffy–not Ace.
While I doubt he did utilize the Armament Aspect I'm not really disregarding what you're suggesting; I just wouldn't recommend using "hey it could have been used" as an argument". Also I just figure had Ambition been involved dialogue like what happened with Luffy against Marigold and Sandersonia would have been put in, but that's kind of a flimsy example to be honest so don't take it too seriously.
My point really had more to do with why exactly Ace was burned as a result of Sakazuki's attacks since Ambition doesn't negate any changes done to a Power User's body. It's why I mentioned that no matter whether it was used or not, the result would have been the same.
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Yes, Caribou took the attack, it's not really anything new. We've seen Kuzan do a similar thing, albeit not for feigning weakness, back at Long Ring Long Island to Luffy's Gomu Gomu Bullet.
And if you're seriously suggesting Caribou is more adept than the three you've stated…wow.
No i do not think Caribou is a better Logia user than the one's i have stated but am trying to argue against what you said about them being in their logia state all the time(default state)…
or am just misunderstanding what your trying to say.
i was getting the impression that you were saying logias cannot turn off their ability
Are you trying to Say The following, correct me if there's something that needs it.
A. Logia users are in Ability form all the time but can Turn it off. (example Aoi kiji and Caribou) some need training to control it well.(Ace) Burning oars hat.
B. Logia users are in human form all the time and must activate their powers. (which means they can be caught off guard and attacked when not in ability mode.)
or if its something else please do explain.
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After a little more research i have to agree that logia's are in ability form all the time unless they deactivate.
Enel incident is one also Kizaru when he first appears. he is shoot by Random Pirates While kizaru is unaware.Now I have a better understanding of logia user.
Now Lets Discuss Haki.
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What I'm saying is this@AppleSauce:
A. Logia users are in Ability form all the time
but can Turn it off. (example Aoi kiji and Caribou) some need training to control it well.(Ace) Burning oars hat.so without the turning off part.
Using Teach as an example: permanently becoming a gravityman is why he always takes more damage than normal from any attacks sent his way. Simply "shutting it off" isn't an option since otherwise he'd be doing just that and not getting hurt so much in spite of having really high endurance.
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As for getting back to Ambition? Well I remember there was an earlier discussion on how not everyone is capable of utilizing the two main Aspects(Armament and Observation), but the problem with that thinking is it's contradicted by Amazon Lily. We were told that all Kuja are capable of it so I'm guessing that there is in fact a method of bringing it out for usage regardless of how "weak" someone may be.The rarity of it outside of this particular island has more to do with a lack of knowledge in general about Ambition. So I don't really believe in the whole "some just can't do it" I've seen written by others outside of a very rare exception.
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What the heck are you on about? Who exactly said anything different? Maybe if you quoted posts, your comment would make more sense, but right at the moment it doesn't, really…
But to answer your claims, no, in my understanding of both Rayleigh's explanation to Luffy and the doctor's quick little blurb to Cody, haki needs to be awakened by either trauma or training, and not everyone can do it no matter how hard they train. So while it may exist in all people in varying degrees, not everyone can harness it.
Sorry, was too lazy to quote some guy that said something like Haki being only for a few select, something that is not true regarding CoA and CoO.
haki needs to be awakened by either trauma or training, and not everyone can do it no matter how hard they train
I don't think so, the only thing that can't be trained or awakened is CoC, but the other two can be trained by any human being and the necessity of passing thru some trauma was never stated as a must, but rather as another mean to reach the awakening.
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What I'm saying is thisso without the turning off part.
Using Teach as an example: permanently becoming a gravityman is why he always takes more damage than normal from any attacks sent his way. Simply "shutting it off" isn't an option since otherwise he'd be doing just that and not getting hurt so much in spite of having really high endurance.
Well Teach is a whole another Topic…
concerning The other logia users though, They have to train their Power which allows them to Turn it off, like we have Caribou and Aoi kiji do.
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Ener remaining a lightningman even while asleep(Kamakiri attacking him) and dead(Wiper's Reject Dial) would disagree.
Throw in Ace having to remake Oars III's hat multiple times due to burning it helps too.
Ener restarted his heart after Wiper's attack, he didn't magically resurrect because he was made of lightning. Ace constantly turns into fire to avoid attacks and burn stuff so i think it is safe assume he accidental lights things on fire once in a while regardless of how his power functions. These two points don't really help either argument. Ener's ability to avoid attacks while supposedly asleep and in general, most logias' ability to aviod attacks they shouldn't have expected probably implies that the action of allowing attacks to pass through is not one that they consciously activate. Whether this ability to allow attacks to pass through is something that must be trained or not remains to be seen. I have always justified Smoker getting hit by Luffy by assuming that it was necessary for logias to train their ability but if that is just considered a "gag" then there is not much evidence to support this case and perhaps the simpler solution that "logias are naturally like that" is the better one. Regardless what I said in my last post is true, logias' defensive ability functions differently than Luffy's entirely passive defensive ability.
@I survived the buster call Oda has never had a character lie about the specifics of his DF powers no matter how much of a trash talking arrogant jerk he is so it would be logical to accept that "Lava beats Fire" is true. Of course it is possible that Akainu still used haki but there is no real evidence to suggest he did since, like Vanessa said, the outcome is the same. -
Ener remaining a lightningman even while asleep(Kamakiri attacking him) and dead(Wiper's Reject Dial) would disagree.
Throw in Ace having to remake Oars III's hat multiple times due to burning it helps too.
I dunno, I figured Enel's case being "lol imma AFK with my buffs on" thing.
As for Ace, well it's Ace. He hasn't had his fruit that long, I can understand if he still had problems with his phasing control.
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I dunno, I figured Enel's case being "lol imma AFK with my buffs on" thing.
As for Ace, well it's Ace. He hasn't had his fruit that long, I can understand if he still had problems with his phasing control.
True Ace isn't as good as enel or the admirals with his fruit, but His powers are always on.
A logia user default state is Ability mode on.
off course they can choose to turn it off though…
but my point is you CAN'T catch them off guard, unless haki, blackbeard, or your main weakness comes into play
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True Ace isn't as good as enel or the admirals with his fruit, but His powers are always on.
A logia user default state is Ability mode on.
off course they can choose to turn it off though…
but my point is you CAN'T catch them off guard, unless haki, blackbeard, or your main weakness comes into play
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Smoker was even starting to use his DF not to mention he was prepared for a Battle.
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Whenever somebody brings up the Alabasta scene, I just think Luffy's ambition for food must've been really great.
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Smoker was even starting to use his DF not to mention he was prepared for a Battle.
But Later…. :
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Like Vanessa said earlier it was a gag…
Picture 2 is also another perfect example of logias default state being with their ability on.
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Like Vanessa said earlier it was a gag…
Picture 2 is also another perfect example of logias default state being with their ability on.
It showed that a Logia can be trained to the point of having their ability on in their Default state.
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It showed that a Logia can be trained to the point of having their ability on in their Default state.
Whats more interessting, its that The Admirals have trained their Logia even More…they can make Haki attacks goes throught them without being injured.Vanessa previous post.
Ener remaining a lightningman even while asleep(Kamakiri attacking him) and dead(Wiper's Reject Dial) would disagree.
Throw in Ace having to remake Oars III's hat multiple times due to burning it helps too.
also all the previous examples show more to the point that a logias default state is in their ability.
Yes they need training with it to control it better. But it still doesn't change the fact that they are in their ability mode.
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I have searched everywhere and I couldn't find the answer so could someone please enlighten me about the relationship between COA haki and logia fruit users?
I always get confused when Aokiji is stabbed by Whitebeard during the war and when Akainu is attacked by Marco and Vista.
Please also tell me whether is is fact or just speculation. thank you
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I have searched everywhere and I couldn't find the answer so could someone please enlighten me about the relationship between COA haki and logia fruit users?
I always get confused when Aokiji is stabbed by Whitebeard during the war and when Akainu is attacked by Marco and Vista.
Please also tell me whether is is fact or just speculation. thank you
All right: Although it looked like Whitebeard stabbed him, Aokiji was able to seperates his body before the blow struck. Some fodder thought it was Haki, but the strike might not have been.
With Akainu, although Marco & Vista attacked him succesfully with Haki, Akainu used his armor to defend himself, and as such neither really hurt him.
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I think Logias have 4 states:
1. human form but powers on. Thus the user turns into element when hit.
2. completely human. They do not show their powers whatsoever.
3. elemental-man form. They may still show partial human appearance but their powers are manifesting as their elements and affecting the environment.
4. completely elemental form. The users are formless and composed completely of elements.Everytime the logias are hit with their weaknesses they revert to complete human form automatically. CoA can also force logias into complete human form. I think it may not work 100% of the time if the logia user also has Haki.
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Now, when you slice the neck of a logia user with a Haki-imbued weapon, what happens?
We saw that Akainu didn't die from that… Did he use Haki too so Vista's and Marco's Hakis were uneffective ?
Does it work like "health points" in games ? Like, if you cut Kizaru in half with your Haki-imbued weapon, he just loses some of these "HP" :ninja:
Maybe Haki isn't that effective, after all... Using the element's weakness seems better since Akainu killed Ace pretty easily. (Because magma can smother fire or something... and Ace wanted to stop the attack after all)I think a logia DF protects its user unless this one is exposed to seastone or his element's weakness, even if Haki makes others able to hit the user.
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haki isnt really a one hit finishing move,the base strength of people still matters.
it wouldnt be possible that when we have common army guys surviving bombs ,the navy admirals wouldnt be able to take on haki attacks and survive them with bleeding only.aokiji escaped that haki slice of shirohige,kizaru got cut by rayleigh and bled , akainu bled too i think from the haki attacks. but thats it, they just bled because of their immense physical strength/stamina
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I find it exceptionally significant that Rayleigh is easily able to hurt Kizaru.
Now in the war, we've seen Whitebeard, a well-known haki user, unsuccessfully hurt any of the admirals until he peaked in his rage. I gathered a few ideas from this. First, he fought with heavy injuries on top of his medical condition. That's gotta interfere with his concentration. Second, haki has got to be positively related to life force. It's more of a hunch, since the thing is called Ambition, after all. Anyway, Whitebeard had loads of handicaps and his crew couldn't hold a candle to his power even with that. The previous sentence says Whitebeard is strong, but when you look at it from the top of the world, he is crippled, like a whale in a small lake.
As I just said, Marco, Jozu and Vista, the three strongest commanders under WB, couldn't hold a match to Oyaji (WB). Even an injured Akainu can just brush off their Haki attacks. I doubt the battles are portrayed like a role-playing game where as long as your HP is above 0, you can smack stuff just as hard at 1 hp as full hp.
Now Jozu did hit Aokiji pretty hard, but Aokiji was concentrating on WB. He broke Jozu later on.
And finally, what about Rayleigh, and Shanks and crew for that matter. I believe that Rayleigh's master of CoO proved to be his most effective weapon, even though it isn't offensive. He easily predicted Kizaru's actions, and thus hurt him. Whitebeard took hits from admirals, received damage, lost concentration and strength, and ultimately lost. Rayleigh took no hits and held Kizaru at bay. Shanks, whom I believe learned Haki from Rayleigh, would fight much the same. I also believe he taught his entire crew Rayleigh-style haki fighting. So when he said he'll take on the entire Marine force if the war didn't end, even the admirals obeyed politely.
I've also seen people post as if all CoA usage is the same. They are absolutely wrong. Marco has CoA, but Admirals have even stronger CoA. WB CoA is monstrous, but he's fighting with too many drawbacks. However, it's possible that if he was in his prime he'd walk right over to the scaffold, smash it, and save Ace, all the while the marine throwing all they've got, and it'll look like frail elderly folk from a nursing home trying to throw mashed potatoes and apple sauce at an MMA all-star wearing stain-proof gear. All the WB commanders have to do is guard his ship.
I hope my argument is clear. And sorry for the lateness, but, Hi. :ninja:
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The only Haki-related attack that didn't work on Admirals during the war is slashing attack…
But punch and kicks works....Does this mean Zoro will have a handicap if he fought an Admiral?
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The only Haki-related attack that didn't work on Admirals during the war is slashing attack…
But punch and kicks works....Does this mean Zoro will have a handicap if he fought an Admiral?
Don't worry about that, Rayleigh was able to hit Kizaru with his sword. Marco & Vista failed for some unknown reason that isn't entirely clear yet and will hopefully be thoroughly explained in the future, but it most definitely had nothing to do with them using cutting attacks.
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well For Marco and Vista Attack on Akainu..I think Akainu used his COA to block theirs and thats why Akainu took no damage? As for Rayleigh slash on Kizaru..I think Rayleigh COA is stronger than Kizaru and thats why he got hurt..
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Forgive me if this has be brought up in the past.
I found myself tired of studying and so i began to watch the episode 397 of one piece.
Haki is a rather puzzling thing, so it baffled me when gramps(rayleigh) was able to use haki on specific targets?(seeing as camie is just a normal person the haki should have knocked her unconscious along with the guards).My question is, is haki perplex and unstable? is it possible to pick specific targets with an AOE(area of effect)haki? if so would it require extreme mastery of haki to conduct this? would it be safe to assert that rayleigh has full complete control over his haki? If not enlighten me a bit, as i have not read this tread in full, so my knowledge of haki is lacking.
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Rayleigh said that CoA and CoO can be strengthened. Maybe marco and vista weren't strong enough to completely solidify Akainu, or Akainu has trained himself to be resistant to that Haki. Logias like Smoker and Ace who know little about Haki and only just recently learned how to reflexively become intangible obviously don't have resistance to CoA attacks which is why they were solidified completely when they were hit by hancock and Whitebeard, respectively. I'm sure Oda will have someone explain this further since it was left unexplained how WB was unable kill aokiji when he impaled him. Right now we know the basics. I have a theory that WB didn't use his CoA fully against Aokiji either because he didn't have killing intent or perhaps because it takes effort to bring out his full CoA. When he fought Akainu he was pissed so he most likely went all out with his CoA and that's probably why he could land blows on Akainu.
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I'd like to discuss (or be directed to previous discussion on the matter, if that's better) Haki - Color of Armaments, most definitely - increasing the velocity of bullets. This very strongly seems to be the case, seeing as though Ben Beckman was able to threaten Kizaru by pointing his rifle at him, and people like Luffy and Zoro have been dodging bullets since forever – but how does it do that? And what implications does it carry for Haki in other situations? Like if you throw a punch or slash with a sword, will it be faster if you use Haki? If not, why, given that Haki can speed up bullets? Or if it can't, how could Beckman make Kizaru put up his hands by pointing a gun at him?
Yeah, a bunch of questions there. I don't really have any answers at all, myself, since I honestly don't understand how Armament Haki would (vastly) increase the speed of a bullet, but if anyone has some input I'd appreciate to here it. The reason I ask is because I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy about this whole thing, because it seems like Haki is on the path to being some kind of catch-all, super-boost to everything and anything, even to the point of somehow being able to swing a sword far faster if you use Haki, and I don't like the sound of that.
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Forgive me if this has be brought up in the past.
I found myself tired of studying and so i began to watch the episode 397 of one piece.
Haki is a rather puzzling thing, so it baffled me when gramps(rayleigh) was able to use haki on specific targets?(seeing as camie is just a normal person the haki should have knocked her unconscious along with the guards).My question is, is haki perplex and unstable? is it possible to pick specific targets with an AOE(area of effect)haki? if so would it require extreme mastery of haki to conduct this? would it be safe to assert that rayleigh has full complete control over his haki? If not enlighten me a bit, as i have not read this tread in full, so my knowledge of haki is lacking.
In chapter 597 (the last before the timeskip) Rayleigh tells Luffy not to use the king's haki before he mastered it because it would intimidate his friends/allies as well. We saw this demonstrated every time he used it before the timeskip. Every time Luffy used it after the timeskip, or when Rayleigh used it before, we've seen it only affect those its intended for. It's just a matter of learning to control it.
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Luffy's one regret is that his ambition beams are invisible.
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why cant someone like Mr.3 turn into his element? he would be mighty powerful if he used his fruit to its max soooo..
what if you had to use coa haki to turn completely into your logia substance? which would explain why akainu didnt get hurt very much because that could be the color he leans towards the most. -
why cant someone like Mr.3 turn into his element? he would be mighty powerful if he used his fruit to its max soooo..
what if you had to use coa haki to turn completely into your logia substance? which would explain why akainu didnt get hurt very much because that could be the color he leans towards the most.mr 3 is not a logia
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@Chopper:
mr 3 is not a logia
oh ok well yea i guess your right his fruit is a weird one but one more question in the anime kizaru was cut to pieces by the music guy how did he just regenerate like that?? do all logia types have some kind of healing property????
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oh ok well yea i guess your right his fruit is a weird one but one more question in the anime kizaru was cut to pieces by the music guy how did he just regenerate like that?? do all logia types have some kind of healing property????
Logia type users are made out of there element so he just turned into light and formed back together. Crocodile does this a lot if you want to see another example of it. And if you have any other questions about Devil Fruits, post them in the General Devil Fruit Disscusion thread.
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oh ok well yea i guess your right his fruit is a weird one but one more question in the anime kizaru was cut to pieces by the music guy how did he just regenerate like that?? do all logia types have some kind of healing property????
Remember this, they don't heal, they just put themselves back together again. If they got hit by Haki/weakness and exploded like that, they would piece themselves back together and still have their bruises.
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But it seems that if they got a lethal wound dealt with Haki, they don't die… (Like having your neck cut)
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But it seems that if they got a lethal wound dealt with Haki, they don't die… (Like having your neck cut)
I think they would die. We just havn't seen someone get Haki'd like that yet. Well it should have happened to Kizaru, now there was lethal blow!
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What about the blows dealt by Marco and Vista? :o