The Pacifistas

Hattori

However, you're implying here that Drake never thought that the Kuma he's fighting is the original one until he saw it bleeding. I think, given the fact that Drake's a supernova and quite knowledgeable about the secrets of the marines, he should be able to tell which is the original and which is not immediately.

Uh… How was I implying that? You only got to that conclusion because you apparently think that the one fighting alongside Kizaru is the real one (correct me if I'm wrong; I bolded the line that implies this), which is highly unlikely since the Shichibukai should be gathering to fight Whitebeard soon

Elric

@Hattori:

which is highly unlikely since the Shichibukai should be gathering to fight Whitebeard soon

Maybe there gathering in the area?

Hattori

@Elric:

Maybe there gathering in the area?

That's also a possibility, though I would think if the Shichibukai are gathering up for something this important they wouldn't start running stopping random pirates, especially since Kizaru is evidently more than enough

Elric

@Hattori:

That's also a possibility, though I would think if the Shichibukai are gathering up for something this important they wouldn't start running stopping random pirates

Those are some of the highest bounties of the first half of the grand line. You'd be one weak ass Bushikaki not to collect them.

@Hattori:

especially since Kizaru is evidently more than enough

That's not exactly a reasonable thing to say considering we're talking about Kizaru's military escort here. Evidently Kizaru didn't come alone and the real Kuma has obviously more use for some cash than a remote-controlled Kumabot. I say the one with Kizaru is the real thing and acting as the Kumabot squad's commander.

Hattori

@Elric:

Those are some of the highest bounties of the first half of the grand line. You'd be one hell of a weak Bushikaki not to collect them.

Perhaps you're forgetting the reason why Kizaru even showed up? If it weren't for Luffy punching a noble an admiral wouldn't even be here right now; I think it's safe to say Kizaru did NOT come here because of the high bounty pirates docking there at the time

@Elric:

That's not exactly a reasonable thing to say considering we're talking about Kizaru's military escort here. Evidently Kizaru didn't come alone and the real Kuma has obviously more use for some cash than a remote-controlled Kumabot. I say the one with Kizaru is the real thing and acting as the Kumabot squad's commander.

Nope, the Kuma with Kizaru is in fact another Kumabot, as seen here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/509/08/
If you didn't catch it, you can see he doesn't have the paws on his hands

The one fighting Kid and Law is probably a clone too, since when Sentoumaru calls Kizaru he says that both have already seperated, implying that the Kumabot they were up against was defeated

So unless there's another Kuma running around the island somewhere, it's safe to say none of these are the real one

Elric

@Hattori:

Perhaps you're forgetting the reason why Kizaru even showed up? If it weren't for Luffy punching a noble an admiral wouldn't even be here right now; I think it's safe to say Kizaru did NOT come here because of the high bounty pirates docking there at the time

I was explaining why KUMA has a reason to be there.

@Hattori:

Nope, the Kuma with Kizaru is in fact another Kumabot, as seen here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/509/08/
If you didn't catch it, you can see he doesn't have the paws on his hands

Damn! I can't believe I missed that.

Hattori

@Elric:

I was explaining why KUMA has a reason to be there.

Well, if even Doflamingo is going to the gathering (him being pretty disobedient as seen in past chapters), and not to mention Kuma being the most obedient Shichibukai, unless the World Government gave him permission to leave I really don't see him going out of his way just so he can make a few quick bucks (or belis, whatever)

And considering the World Government seems to think Kizaru is more than enough, which he obviously is, I don't see them letting Kuma leave any time soon, especially when such an important event is about to take place

Not only that, but the reasons from my previous post still apply since Kizaru brought the Kumabots WITH him, so any reason that Kizaru is here is also Kuma's reason of being there

Elric

@Hattori:

And considering the World Government seems to think Kizaru is more than enough, which he obviously is

That again o_O ? Err, as I said before if Kizaru was alone we wouldn't even have this conversation. Can you believe this guy^^

Hattori

@Elric:

That again o_O ? Err, as I said before if Kizaru was alone we wouldn't even have this conversation. Can you believe this guy^^

OK then, scratch that part, the rest of my post still applies (kinda funny how you didn't bother responding to the the rest of it)

If we're going to assume that the Kumabots are indeed the special troops Kizaru was said to be bringing, any reason the Kumabots or the real Kuma would be on the island is the same reason Kizaru is here, which is NOT collecting the bounties

This is just my own opinion, but I think the reason Kizaru brought the Kuma troops wasn't because he couldn't do it alone, rather he brought them so he can get the job done quicker as the nine crews are scattered across the whole island

Elric

@Hattori:

OK then, scratch that part, the rest of my post still applies (kinda funny how you didn't bother responding to the the rest of it)

What's there to respond to? If Kuma would or absolutely would not accompany Kizaru is just speculation and can't be used to decide whether or not the real Kuma is at Kizaru's side.

Hattori

@Elric:

What's there to respond to?

Well, assuming you still disagree with me it'd help if you responded with a counter so I can see your point of view on the subject

Elric

That depends on what we're talking about. What would this potentially disagreeable statement of yours be?

Hattori

Uh… weren't we kinda disagreeing on whether Kuma has a reason to be on the island? Or have you suddenly forgotten what we were talking about in the last what, 10 posts?

Elric

We were but who cares about that? It's just speculation. We can't know if Kizaru went to Garp's for a cup of tea, coincidentally met Kuma and decided to share the fun with him or not.

Hattori

So you're just gonna give up? Bah whatever, suit yourself

Elric

Well, it might just be me but arguing over whether or not Kuma could have been there when it's already proven that he's not seems kinda nerdy.

Hattori

The last thing you need to worry about when posting on an internet forum dedicated to a Japanese comic series with pirates that can perform magic by eating demonic fruit is sounding nerdy

estarapapax

@Hattori:

Uh… How was I implying that? You only got to that conclusion because you apparently think that the one fighting alongside Kizaru is the real one (correct me if I'm wrong; I bolded the line that implies this), which is highly unlikely since the Shichibukai should be gathering to fight Whitebeard soon

I got no conclusion like that. Rather, that's what I thought you are implying. In your 1st post that I quoted, you concluded that the Kumabots are probably full-robots. That's why I thought you're saying that the one fighting them is the real one since it bled.

Hattori

@estarapapax:

I got no conclusion like that. Rather, that's what I thought you are implying. In your 1st post that I quoted, you concluded that the Kumabots are probably full-robots. That's why I thought you're saying that the one fighting them is the real one since it bled.

OK, so to clear up confusion, what I was saying is that to me it seems that Drake is surprised to see the clone bleed, implying that it's a full robot since I would kinda be surprised too if a robot standing in front of me suddenly started bleeding

estarapapax

^So the Kumabots are not full robots.

estarapapax

@Angel:

Its not on the moon.

The Spaceys travelled to the moon after something blew up on the moon itself and gave the guy who made them a heart attack.

I just relized it. :sad:

Hattori

@estarapapax:

So the Kumabots are not full robots.

Again… where the hell are you getting this from my post?

Zkaiser

The Kumabots aren't full robots, they are cyborgs crafted from the clones of Bartholomew Kuma and robotic armaments.@Zkaiser:

I think what Drake's comment implied was that he (Drake) was surprised that the pacifistas are still cyborgs, mean that he thought that they would be full robot by now. Which, to me, means that the pacifistas have to be cyborgs because there is an aspect about the human flesh which allows the pacifista to function that Vegapunk has yet to overcome in their creation.

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Kishido

But if they are clones so why they didn't have the DF…? Oda explain this please

Yangzter027

Maybe there not clones…just made ta look like Kuma so that pirates think its Kuma when its only a clone?..:blink:

Hattori

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Zkaiser

@KiShiDo:

But if they are clones so why they didn't have the DF…? Oda explain this please

When you clone a person they don't get the same exact things just the body. If you were to clone a person who used steroids you're going to get the scrawny version of the person. That's how I see this.

Lordzeb

the fact that they are actually Clones has not been confirmed i dunno why your saying it like fact especially on this forum where half the ppl didn't believe Kizaru was a Loggia until he blew up and even then ppl where doubting whether or not it was the light light fruit.:getlost:

We only know that they are cyborgs that bare a strong resemblance to Kuma. For all we know the outer aesthetics could all be robotic parts. We do know they bleed, they bleed blood by the way. They have an emulation of Kizarus laser built into their bodies as well. Not his DF just his laser ability replicated. We also know they are made of something tougher than steel which is really perplexing me. Zoro seems about to slash them but not slice through them. Thats really all we know.

Jarhead

@KiShiDo:

But if they are clones so why they didn't have the DF…? Oda explain this please

the reason why these kuma-clones dosn't have the paw-paw fruit is because there are not two of the same fruit

Zkaiser

@Lordzeb121:

the fact that they are actually Clones has not been confirmed i dunno why your saying it like fact especially on this forum where half the ppl didn't believe Kizaru was a Loggia until he blew up and even then ppl where doubting whether or not it was the light light fruit.:getlost:

We only know that they are cyborgs that bare a strong resemblance to Kuma. For all we know the outer aesthetics could all be robotic parts. We do know they bleed, they bleed blood by the way. They have an emulation of Kizarus laser built into their bodies as well. Not his DF just his laser ability replicated. We also know they are made of something tougher than steel which is really perplexing me. Zoro seems about to slash them but not slice through them. Thats really all we know.

@Zkaiser:

The Kumabots aren't full robots, they are cyborgs crafted from the clones of Bartholomew Kuma and robotic armaments.
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Did you miss this part?

Hattori

@Zkaiser:

Did you miss this part?

Either way you shouldn't go around stating stuff as if it was fact and then only stating it's speculation in spoiler tags

estarapapax

@Hattori:

Again… where the hell are you getting this from my post?

The fact it bled makes it not a full-robot. That's all I'm saying. You're like saying what Drake knew is that they're full robots, that's why he's surprised to see one of them bled. Apparently, if that's what he knows, he's wrong.

dinty

The thing that's confusing me most about the Kumabots is where the blood comes from. These guys are huge – larger than the average human. So if they really are modified humans, then the humans would have to have been stretched somehow, or be walking on stilts or something in order to realistically bleed where they've been bleeding.

Now, if it's a different situation, where a human is simply a pilot of a Kumabot (like the way that Moria briefly piloted Odz, from inside Odz' belly) then the blood thing is even more problematic, because if the human deep inside the mecha body was bleeding, then it would take practically a flood of blood to travel far enough through the body to seep out of the Kumabot at its mouth.

I third possibility is that the Kumabots, like the zombies, are patched together from human body parts and metal. It seemed reasonable for the zombies, because they were already dead, and bloodless, but if the Kumabots where made of living, bleeding human flesh ... No. -- that possibility just seems too macabre for Oda's style.

Mugiwara No Hermy

@dinty:

I third possibility is that the Kumabots, like the zombies, are patched together from human body parts and metal. It seemed reasonable for the zombies, because they were already dead, and bloodless, but if the Kumabots where made of living, bleeding human flesh … No. -- that possibility just seems too macabre for Oda's style.

This possiblity seems pretty accurate, if I may say so.

brennen.exe

Where is there a computer shown in One Piece…...?

m00n

@brennen.exe:

Where is there a computer shown in One Piece…...?

In Enel cover story

goes search the picture

/edit: here it is

!

brennen.exe

@m00n:

In Enel cover story
/edit: here it is

! http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000448/001.jpg

Yeah, I saw that in Elric's post…...............but I still don't see a computer. I see a Blackboard/Chalkboard, which is common in any science room, but no computer. I thought perhaps something else was in the picture I didn't notice?

Zkaiser

I guess they are talking about all that stuff in the background.

Hattori

@estarapapax:

The fact it bled makes it not a full-robot. That's all I'm saying. You're like saying what Drake knew is that they're full robots, that's why he's surprised to see one of them bled. Apparently, if that's what he knows, he's wrong.

Why does the fact that it bled make it not a full robot? We don't know what Vegapunk is capable of, we don't even know if it's real blood, and up till now they've been acting like robots, so you can't say that for sure

While it's completely possible that they aren't full robots, it's still not out of the question that they ARE full robots, after all they do act like they are and it'd seem kinda weird if they actually were clones of Kuma

Yangzter027

I think Kuma Clones bleedin would mean that they aren't complete/finished…I remember readin somewhere that ta Kuma Clone bleedin meant that they still required a human or somethin like that in order to build a clone in ta first place, kinda like an android...

DesertSpada

I still think that the blood is added for effect, and not that there are actual people mixed up in them. Franky is right about the real Kuma, but I don't think about the fakes.

Lordzeb

@Hattori:

Why does the fact that it bled make it not a full robot? We don't know what Vegapunk is capable of, we don't even know if it's real blood, and up till now they've been acting like robots, so you can't say that for sure

While it's completely possible that they aren't full robots, it's still not out of the question that they ARE full robots, after all they do act like they are and it'd seem kinda weird if they actually were clones of Kuma

Drake says the RED BLOOD comes out of them. Not fake blood. Not red colored oil or some other stuff. Oda could've said alot of things but he said RED BLOOD. Robots don't Bleed. I think that is evidence more than anything that they are not full robots as Kuma, Franky, and Drake have already said. What more proof do you need. They've SAID it in the manga. Its like your ignoring Oda completely and coming up with your own theory.

DesertSpada

Or it could be interpreted as he was surprised that blood came out of it at all, and even more so that the blood was red. It's an observation. It could be taken that he didn't expect that such a creation by Vegapunk would bleed at all, and once more that it's red.

Zkaiser

@DesertSpada:

Or it could be interpreted as he was surprised that blood came out of it at all, and even more so that the blood was red. It's an observation. It could be taken that he didn't expect that such a creation by Vegapunk would bleed at all, and once more that it's red.

The dude tasted the shit. It's blood. I'm all for crazy theories but you're stretching it too far. Drake said Blood. Franky said part-human. Dub name for Detective Conan.

DesertSpada

OK, understood. Just seems really weird, but I suppose it would make sense.

MasterLag

If they are full bots then the "blood" must be something that smells, tastes and looks like blood. And in a bot that kinda realistic blood could be useful for many things like cooling, repair, smoothing movements. And if vega is 500 years ahed it could be possible to maybe create nano machine blood cells… dunno :ninja:

Most likely they are cyborgs with artificial organs, which means they prolly got bigger hearts/cores... Also I think most of their outer layer is metal with a skin +flesh layer on it to well not freak ppl out and hide the fact that they are part machine....

The pictures with the hands, doenst pawkuma use gloves? :wassat:

Coolnerd89

It never needs explination… It's just Magic.
DF's=Magic
Death defying acts=Magic
Bleeding Robots=Magic
It's simple logic.

estarapapax

@Hattori:

Why does the fact that it bled make it not a full robot? We don't know what Vegapunk is capable of, we don't even know if it's real blood, and up till now they've been acting like robots, so you can't say that for sure

While it's completely possible that they aren't full robots, it's still not out of the question that they ARE full robots, after all they do act like they are and it'd seem kinda weird if they actually were clones of Kuma

I wonder how our message exchanges turned this way. You have concluded that the Kumabots are probably full-robots, right? How did you come up to that conclusion? The argument you're using in your original post is because Drake was surprised to see the blood. But how will that support your conclusion, that the Kumabots are probably full-robots? It seems to me, based on your posts, that Drake believes that the Kumabots are full-robots, that's why he is surprised to see the blood. You based your conclusion of the what is known by Drake. But he saw the blood. No blood comes out of full-robots.

To those people saying it may not be blood: what the hell are you thinking? One Piece is not Bleach. There's no Aizen who is master of deception. When Oda said it's red blood, we are surprised. Do you think Oda will surprise us again by revealing sometime "oh shit it's just ketchup, we're deceived."?

Praxis

The easist explanation is that they are cyborgs and not full robots. There is any number of methods to explain why they look like kuma. For starters it creats something people fear and wouldent ask too many questions. That and people generally wouldent be facing more then one of them at a time. So they would be less likely to catch onto the scheme.

As for why they have blood? If they are cyborgs then they need a minimum ammount of human components. While noted a macabre method would be frankenstien style, another method would be to extract the brain and the organs necessary to keep the brain from death. We dont know how little human is needed for being a cyborg. You typically need some form of blood to keep the human parts alive.

This whole clones thing is almost nonsense. I mean if we're introducing clones of kuma and then augmenting them with bits you open an entire other can of worms. Which is just tacky. Furthermore nothing says a clone gets the devil fruit. We dont even know if the dna of a person with a devil fruit is changed. If two devil fruit users produce a child that doesent mean that it gets a devil fruit. Its an attribute attached to them not transferable. We know too little about how devil fruits work, but its almost safe to say you cannot replicate them. The devil in them and all.

As for how the kuma cyborgs have lazer beam action. It could be kizaru is what powers them. He is a logia so perhaps part of him is powering all the kuma bots. We dont know that this couldent happen. Hell we dont know if the blood from a logia user retains its effects once it leaves the body. The most logical explanation for their power some huge ass battery aside (which kizaru or someone else powered) is they have a charge.

Ninjawar

kuma is gay rape by robin