LOST Season 5 *spoilers abound*

Nobodyman

! Oh for God's sake. Locke gets a hood cliche? He's not Obi-wan Kenobi!

Senshi Mizaka

Wow…

! Widmore used to be the leader of the Others?! Just him being one of them was enough of a shocker, but I'm surprised at how much he knows about the Island. Just whose side is he on, anyway?

rusashi

can't say this episodes really doing it for me.

Nobodyman

! Holy Crap! They killed…uh, whats-his-name (the black guy)

rusashi

yep.. that wasn't a very good episode. You'd think a series that was written with an ending in mind, it wouldn't be getting worse as it got nearer to the end.

Senshi Mizaka

I really didn't see the part coming with

! Ben strangling Locke and making it look like a suicide.

To be honest, I really don't know what to say about Widmore's position anymore after tonight's episode.

mkoopman

I have no idea why, but Jacks confrontation of Locke in the hospital in this episode struck me as one of the best scenes I've seen from this show in a long, long time.

Also, really surprised that Abbadon got shot and probably killed like that. There's been a decent amount of hype about him for a while now, just for him to go out like that? I was shocked, honestly.

Greg

Looks like the island wasn't the only thing John got back on track when he spun that wheel.

Good God, the difference between the last two week's sloppy romps and this was like night and day!

You have STELLAR acting. A slowly building story with emotion, some action, some heebie-jeebies and top it off LOCKE VS JACK AND LOCKE VS BEN is a twofer!!!!!

Jeeeesus CHRIST!

And now I just don't know what the FUCK Ben was thinking. Previously I would just as well thought he killed Locke because he knew he needed to die but does this mean the entire time Ben's lines to Locke about needing him have just been so that he could use him at that particular moment in time???? If so, BRAVO!!!!! Seriously. I bet when he goes to see Hawking she tells him he needs Locke and he realizes he fucked up. Amazing.

Wow. Just wow. LOST is back for me. I hope they keep it up.

I don't know how much people have thought about this but with continual shots of lockes foot throughout the episode and Ben and Widmore's insistance of how important Locke is is important here. This could be seen also with the pose Ben left Locke in for a supposed suicide, would it not be somewhat logical that John Locke is indeed the 4 toed statue and that those weren't sandals on the statue but in fact John's cast.

I don't know how logical it could be but i've been thinking it was Locke since the end of season 3 and this seemed to add little snippets of info to justify my thoughts.

Tizoc

I'll get back to our discussion later on Greg, but this ep. ….for some reason I didn't like how fast it went. Abadon & Whitmore seem to want to utilize ANYTHING that can help them reclaim the island. ...and war? Fucking hell if its another heaven vs. hell or some BS like that it'd better be good.
Ben killing Locke, I think he actually WANTED Locke to die but not before he got some info from him.
Locke being honest with the new survivors is a great concept IMO, but do you think he took Walt's dream into consideration?

I think this just comes down to Ben wanting to be the leader of the island
EDIT: Oh and why weren't there cameras when Ben landed there when he turned the wheel.

Nobodyman

Agreed Greg, this really was a fantastic episode.

It seems to that the reason Ben killed Locke was because he mentioned Hawkins. If Ben was planning to kill Locke before that he would've just let him commit suicide, but no something set him off and I'm sure it was that. The question is, why? I wonder why Locke can't (or shouldn't have) known about Hawkins. Curiouser and curiouser.

And yeah, the Jack/Locke scene was epic.

Senshi Mizaka

To be honest, it took me awhile to figure out that Locke, Ben, and the 316 survivors were actually on the island where the Hydra is. So, I guess its safe to assume that Sun and Sayid are on the island with the rest of the Oceanic 6.

The idea of new survivors on the island really didn't click well with me at first. But now, I think it's a great way of breathing new life into the show.

Greg

EDIT: Oh and why weren't there cameras when Ben landed there when he turned the wheel.

Because Ben landed some 9 months after the Oceanic 6. After that we know Widmore was investigating Ben and Sayid was working for him along with a number of other individuals. Not to mention we literally SEE Widmore torturing one of Ben's people in the VHS he showed Locke. He probably got the information on the location after Ben arrived and set up that location.

It seems to that the reason Ben killed Locke was because he mentioned Hawkins. If Ben was planning to kill Locke before that he would've just let him commit suicide, but no something set him off and I'm sure it was that. The question is, why? I wonder why Locke can't (or shouldn't have) known about Hawkins.

I don't think it's because he knew Hawking, I think it's because he just needed Locke to get Hawking's location and he couldn't let him die before he got that info.

And even while he killed him…I totally could have understood it. It was his final line that blew my fucking mind. He wanted Locke to freaking stay dead. WTF. Then he goes to see Hawkings and she tells him he's necessary.

WHAT THE FACK. That means BEN SCREWED UP. Which is amazing since that rarely happens.

Fucking hell if its another heaven vs. hell or some BS like that it'd better be good.

Nah, I don't think it's going to go that route. It's not that contrived. It wouldn't limit itself to just one religion's view of the afterlife.

A battle for control or protection of a deity by people? Now that I can see.

Nobodyman

@Greg:

WHAT THE FACK. That means BEN SCREWED UP. Which is amazing since that rarely happens.

Oh, you mean like when he got caught in that net? Or when he let Alex die? Or when he got the sh*t beat out of him last episode? Not that Ben isn't badass, I'm just saying.

Refii

This episode was good enough that I had to watch it twice to get the full scope of the story.

However, coincidentally this is what is killing the series for me, I can't follow all this messed up filming. Nothing is in order, and it makes Pulp Fiction look like a straightforward movie.

Also, I am still pissed off that John Locke killed himself, and before you jump down my throat, yes he did kill himself. The only reason it wasn't his own hands that did the deed was because once again he was a pawn and he trusted Ben whom he knew as the enemy. If Ben hadn't walked in he was ready to kill himself, by trusting the man that shot him, he once again killed himself.

I sometimes forget that Ben used to be tied up and John was nice to him relatively. I'd rather kill Sawyer or Sayid myself if I were Ben.
But motives are motives, and the Others need a leader.

Greg

Oh, you mean like when he got caught in that net? Or when he let Alex die? Or when he got the sh*t beat out of him last episode? Not that Ben isn't badass, I'm just saying.

Right, the net was when he first appeared in Season 2. He got beat up by Jack at the end of Season 3 when he failed to protect the island. He let Alex die in Season 4. And besides being bloodied, we don't know whether he failed or not yet.

So he's screwed up once a season. As I said, rarely.

However, coincidentally this is what is killing the series for me, I can't follow all this messed up filming. Nothing is in order, and it makes Pulp Fiction look like a straightforward movie.

Hrm? But this episode was in order. Not the scenes on the island mind you, but Locke's adventures as Jeremy Bentham were fairly straightforward A to B.

I do know what you mean though. However, it's that very same reason I love LOST. I've seen it so many times and know exactly who should be where and when that it really doesn't phase me, I'm just impressed that they can construct a story that solid.

Which was certainly not the case two weeks back.

Also, I am still pissed off that John Locke killed himself, and before you jump down my throat, yes he did kill himself. The only reason it wasn't his own hands that did the deed was because once again he was a pawn and he trusted Ben whom he knew as the enemy. If Ben hadn't walked in he was ready to kill himself, by trusting the man that shot him, he once again killed himself.

He sure did. I don't have a problem with it though. I think they made a very clear and deliberate destruction of John's life.

He starts out being reassured that he's 'special', then he's returned to a wheelchair. He starts to see the O6 (plus some) and it's no coincidence that each one chips away at some part of him. Sayid telling him he should basically grow up and help the real world. He's forced to lie to Walt. Kate calls him obssessed. Hurley doesn't trust him and it culminates in Jack telling him he's a lonely old useless man.

Ow.

And to top it off, the one person, the one human being that might have held him back, is dead.

He's alone.

And if you note how many times this poor guy has been told he's special, resigned to killing himself, become a leader, thought he was crazy and so forth, that's gotta fuck you up.

I totally bought it.

Besides, he needed to die anyway.

JulieYBM

Good thing the Dragonballs were gathered. The Island…is Shenlong!!

I've not really had any problems with this season, although I do agree it is moving a very quick pace, which I regret highly. I wish it could have moved a little slower in a few places, but alas...

rusashi

I was always curious what everyone around here thought the Island actually was?

I'm pretty set on it being some kind of purgatory due to a couple of things (reanimating the dead, the time traveling because people are already dead, the Island pulling back the people who weren't supposed to leave, not being able to have a child without someone else dying, etc)

but I'll probably either be underwhelmed or wayyyyy overwhelmed by what it actually is

RuNa

@Tizoc:

Speaking of Frank, am I the only one who disliked his shaved face? He no longer sexy man!

I almost didn't recognize him shaved. I don't like it.

My brother met him in real life (when he looked like his S4 counterpart). His friend acted in an independent film with him.

Greg

So evidently there's going to be at least one clip show during the run.

That's fucking bullshit if you ask me (and I know you didn't). They delay the run because it's supposed to run straight through. Make good on your goddamn promise.

I know it's one week, that's not the issue. It's the fact that they delay the show so much to address this issue and here they are with it still.

Bull.

RuNa

Greg, I know you are in Japan right now so you probably did not know this but they are dumbing LOST down for the casual viewers.

Before EVERY new episode, they either show a previous episode with little subtitle/footnotes explaining what's going on or have a whole segment where Cuse and Lindeloff explain what's going on in the show. It's a good thing they don't do it in current episodes, but it is pretty annoying when you have to watch it.

For example, one of the Season 4 episodes had an extended clip that you could ONLY see during one of those "casual friendly" episodes. I had to sit through 35 minutes of bullcrap just to see 2 extra minutes of footage that I could have seen when the Blu-ray came out (which I have now anyway).

As for the clipshows, I'm pretty sure those don't count towards the episode total. Remember, they cut-off episodes BEFORE the strike so that they could extend LOST into a 6th season.

Greg

They don't count towards the total # but it's absurd that they hold LOST back until January/February to show the season straight through and well…

Nobodyman

It's wednesday!

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.....and it's closer still

rusashi

! YESSSSS THE FUCKIN STATUE
! oh wait Locke moved the island
! IOGHSLPGHJAILGHFAKGH AOMGY

Nobodyman

! Damn! And Sawyer's the new leader of Dharma? And where did those other guys come from?

Senshi Mizaka

I, too had a freak-out moment after seeing

! The statue, even though we could never really see what it looked like from the front.
! Didn't call Sawyer being there until we heard his voice, though.
Edit:I was pretty sure that..
! Amy was Charlotte's mother. Oh well. I just hope we out more about her life on the island, if we ever see her again.

Nobodyman

! Holy crap! SawyerxJuilet.

Senshi Mizaka

I'm a bit bummed that Lost is taking a break next week, especially when we've got so much happening. Still, this episode was effing brilliant as always. The island being stuck in the 70's really shattered my expectations, in a good way.

rusashi

I think this episode was my favorite of the season.

What did Horace do before exactly? He was the one who appeared to Locke a few times right?

Senshi Mizaka

@rusashi:

I think this episode was my favorite of the season.

What did Horace do before exactly? He was the one who appeared to Locke a few times right?

He was in Ben's flashback, too, and was there when his mother died giving birth to him. I think he mentioned that he was a mathematician or something among those lines.

Greg

Yup. Lost is definitely back in form.

Tizoc

Greg feel free to mock me for being a lazy-ass.
@Greg:

I entirely agree. Charlotte's story is far from done and EXCELLENT connection with her and Korean. Now it makes sense.

BUT

That is not my qualm with the scene. It's how they couldn't decide what they wanted it to be.

"Do we be emotional? Do we do it fast? AAAAH FUUUCK!!!!!", and they just scribbled some stuff with their eyes closed. If it's going to be more emotional in retrospect, they should have spent more time on it and made it less cheap.

I dunno I feel that the shortness of this scene in due to the small ep. count for this Season and the next. Furthermore, the connection between Daniel and Charollete may be expanded in future episodes, so that when we come back to it, it'll have a much bigger impact.
I once bring up the fact that in these 2 seasons they aim to wrap all the mysteries and resolve some stuff so sadly this scene was rushed.

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He didn't need to say a thing, they basically ruined a GREAT scene by adding an explanation to their joke. He might as well have looked directly into the camera while he was saying it and raped the 4th Wall up the ass.

Question- How many episodes of LOST involved heavy rain? Try to recall them. It is possible that Sawyer doesn't like heavy rainfall. Furthermore, where the hell are they gonna stay til the rain finishes, and also there's the chance of getting sick from the rain and they don't have any medical supplies and such.
Furthermore, it's prob. just Sawyer's personality, all the shit they've went through and then they're getting chased and shot at, and then the FIRST good thing to happen to them and only to have to just 'suck it up' and move on? Come on, Sawyer's had ENOUGH of sucking it up, that's why he complained about the rain.

I was being sardonic. LOST is a TV show. But when you look at the other piles of horse shit on TV, LOST is (typically) way more than a 'TV show'.

That's taking it too far mate, are you saying that shows like The Shield, Dexter, Battle Star Galactica, etc. are crap?
Hell I can find some people who are fans of those shows that find LOST crap, but I just chock it up to them not understanding how much of a good show LOST is.

In some ways I think it's redefined what a TV show can be. To find a show that doesn't dumb down its content JUST to appeal to the masses or actually gasp has a stone canon that it follows, a result of creating the story with the ending in mind, is amazing. And for it to last SIX seasons? Come on. Twin Peaks broke a fuck load of barriers and even that only went 2 seasons before people that 'didn't get it' tuned out.

I agree, but there may always be another show that surpasses LOST even if not in the same method of execution. It's like how some people praise the Watchmen comic book series, but it is simply one among MANY other series that are just as good or even better.

LOST makes it hard to watch other television programs. I have a feeling after it and Prison Break (a shadow of its former self) are gone all I'll have left is my guilty pleasure in Desperate Housewives and the NEVER-EVER-NEVER changing world of House.

Doesn't make it hard for me, I only saw a little of Ep. 1 of Dexter and I am really psyched for it. …and Desperate Housewives?! You seriously watch that?!

But didn't we get that here? We see Sayid apprehended for some reason. We know that Hurley has 'spoken' to somebody or something that isn't Ben that forced him to get himself out of jail (I'll give you one guess). Ben is bloody for some reason and no Desmond or Penny in sight. And Kate…wow.

Its the execution, when Dan and co. were first shown we at least got tidbits before they were shown sent to the Island, now had they done that in the next episode, it would've been fine and dandy, but delaying it for shock value…I dunno I feel like some of LOST's recent shock value things aren't as shocking as they are supposed to be

But…that's my point. We're going to see how they got on the plane. It's going to be told by flashbacks. They wanted to show us the end result so we just go, "WTF!? Hurley is supposed to be in jail!!!" Mark my words, we'll see EXACTLY what happened to the Oceanic 6 + Ben, Locke, Desmond, Penny probably not Frank though. I haven't read spoilers, I just know that's exactly what they're going to do.

I fear they won't mind fuck me much though, well maybe except Ben

As for religious themes in the show, believe me, religion and faith is the very center of LOST.

To me it is time travel: The reasons the first plane that had Jack and co. crashed is so that they would eventually go back to the past and MAKE the future, I can tell right now that when they meet Ben they will tell him to kill the Dharam people. I can just feel it.

…and the island, it could be Atlantis but after seeing Ep. 8....

Tizoc

So Ep. 8? …didn't like it much, but the first 2 mins. TOTALLY mindfucked me!
THE STATUE! If we find more info on the statue we will know the TRUE origin of the island, heck it may even have been a part of land that got separated and became an island!

...but really this ep. was MEH, and did Juliet use BOTH James and Sawyer when refering to Sawyer? Really? ...and when she told Dan to stop, good cosmos WOULD IT KILL YOU TO SHOW SOME MORE EMOTION YOU SLUTTY WHORE?!
Oh and emo-Dan, WTF ugh!
Where's Miles? I wonder if he is a member of the hostiles.
Saywer bringing up the Black Rock was freaking neat BTW.
Horace is pretty odd IMO, and that Ankh that Amy had...
Very little reveals, too much unnecessary character focus

Nobodyman

Did anybody else think that Sawyer seemed really mature in this episode? I guess three years on the island (and working with Dharma) did him some good.

rusashi

Everyone seems to agree the Island is Egyptian in origin now. There's been plenty of hints over the past few episodes, but I'm really shocked it's Egyptian. Of course there could still be a curveball somehow, but I think at least Richard's people are Egyptian.

Senshi Mizaka

@Nobodyman:

Did anybody else think that Sawyer seemed really mature in this episode? I guess three years on the island (and working with Dharma) did him some good.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. But, I like that we still see some of his "Redneck jackass" traits are still there.

Greg

I dunno I feel that the shortness of this scene in due to the small ep. count for this Season and the next.

I certainly agree with that. Doesn't take away from the cheapness.

Furthermore, the connection between Daniel and Charollete may be expanded in future episodes, so that when we come back to it, it'll have a much bigger impact.

Hm? Didn't I address this though? Even if that's the case, and I think it is, the scene was far too short and handled shoddily to have impact despite any relationship they form. The rushed "Sad Lost" music is really the clincher.

Question- How many episodes of LOST involved heavy rain? Try to recall them. It is possible that Sawyer doesn't like heavy rainfall.

Okay hold up.

I think somehow you're misunderstanding my complaint.

I know they're in danger.

In fact, they're in far more danger than they were moments ago.

But what does that have to do with Sawyer not liking rain or not or scenes with heavy rainfall?

My complaint is, his line was basically EXPLAINING a punch line. And when you EXPLAIN a punch line, the joke ceases to be funny. That's not Sawyer. It was a stupid writing choice.

Obviously what he just said, "THANK YOU GOD!", contradicts their current situation. It would have been far better if they had him just hold his pose and then grow a Sawyer Pout Face and start paddling.

That's taking it too far mate, are you saying that shows like The Shield, Dexter, Battle Star Galactica, etc. are crap?

American Idol

Big Brother

Heroes

Knight Rider

Fringe

The Nine

Terminator

The OC

Dancing With The Stars

Survivor

The Bachelor

Wife Swap

Any Fox or UPN (or whatever it is now) 3-camera sitcom.

The Gilmore Girls

Cane

Kyle XY

and yes, I would even argue that some of the shows critics hail as being genius, pale in comparison to some of Lost's Seasons 1-3 writing. Those which I've never seen I cannot compare but it remains, LOST is better than any TV I've ever seen and it single-handedly renewed my interest in television series, something I'd completelygiven up on for years.

I agree, but there may always be another show that surpasses LOST even if not in the same method of execution.

I don't recall saying there couldn't be

I think you're taking my sarcasm a bit far. My point was, LOST is head and shoulders above what is mostly a sea of bland. And therefore I hold it to more strict standards. Just as I do OP. Fin.

Doesn't make it hard for me

It goes without stating, that's just how it affects me. I'll watch most any other show and pick apart poor writing, scenes that show the story was thought through in advance, etc. Maybe there are shows that don't exhibit those qualities. I don't profess to be some TV nerd or aficionado but those that I have seen have all rubbed me the wrong way.

…and Desperate Housewives?! You seriously watch that?!

I love Desperate Housewives but for entirely different reasons than why I love LOST. Desperate Housewives is like watching a parody of my young life.

Its the execution, when Dan and co. were first shown we at least got tidbits before they were shown sent to the Island, now had they done that in the next episode, it would've been fine and dandy, but delaying it for shock value…I dunno I feel like some of LOST's recent shock value things aren't as shocking as they are supposed to be

Some yes, some no.

I think it's fairly obvious EXACTLY to whom Hurley met with. But even so, why would he go?

What I didn't like about 'shock value' is how they made it seem like Jack would be super amazed they were all together. I mean okay, MAYBE that was supposed to be his turning point. But still…

Anyway, I have to disagree and agree. The latter first. Some of the reasons won't be shocking. I already mentioned Hurley. Plus we have a pretty good idea what Ben did and what motivations that will give a certain character. The shock is in the details which is WHY they made it like that.

That's why LOST is amazing. They're writing for the 0.1% of viewers that analyze the series on a microscopic level.

I will use Ben's case as an example:

Layer 1 Fan: WTF!??? BEN IS BLOODY!!!! WHAT HAPPENED!!!????

This is the common viewer. They will be surprised when they find out WHAT Ben was doing.

Layer 2 Fan: spoiled not because I read a spoiler but because if it's right I don't want to possibly ruin anything for Layer 1 fans

! Holy fuck, Ben just killed Penny.

This fan will be surprised when

! They find out something to the tune of, Penny is still alive, he mistakenly killed Desmond OR Charlie instead, the circumstances which he killed her.

Layer 3 Fan:

! Woah, I guess this gives Desmond plenty of motivation to get back to the island to seek vengeance on his wife's killer but how can he get there if he wasn't on the plane, especially if Penny is dead/incapacitated. What will he do with Charlie? Will he seek out her Portugese-speaking friends to have them follow the old route back?

See? Three ENTIRELY different kinds of fans looking at the show from ENTIRELY different perspectives. Where do you find yourself? In this case I'm a Layer 3 and I think most of the time that's where I spend my time. Sometimes depending on which layer, the surprise can be a BIG payoff.

For instance, regarding Michael being Ben's man on the boat. I had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER so that surprised the SHIT out of me when I read a theory it might be him. I was obviously on Level 1 there. But when it comes to stuff like Annie where I make complex theories over the course of years that are debunked with a single episode, well I'm left with the fond memories of spinning threads in my own mind not to mention the surprise of being wrong.

Anyway, this was long and drawn out for a simple example but that's why I like what they did in THAT respect.

Yes, I completely agree some things will be underwhelming. I'm fondly reminded of the Season 2 finale where it was Desmond's boat and I was like, "Well no shit.", or the fact that they come out in the open in Season 5 and finally say, "It has to do with time.", well no shit. Or that Hurley was actually

! visited by Lizzy and/or Charlie who asked him to go back. They've kinda given us a hodgepodge of mysteries surrounding the characters and their reasons for returning. I think some will be predictable but let's say you KNOW why Hurley went back, doesn't that raise the question of why? No matter what he saw or heard, what could possibly make him manuever what SEEMS to be a prison break just to get back? That's where the fun lies for me.

But it stands, bad episode. Baaad episode.

To me it is time travel: The reasons the first plane that had Jack and co. crashed is so that they would eventually go back to the past and MAKE the future, I can tell right now that when they meet Ben they will tell him to kill the Dharam people. I can just feel it.

So after seeing a man with an Ankh, the return of Horace and a gigantic Egyptian-style figure are you still convinced it won't have anything to do with religion?

Now, I'm not saying what it has to be about to YOU, that I certainly can't define. But to deny the religious undertones from beliefs around the world infused in the show is like denying LOST is a TV show Have you ever LOSTpedia'd an episode before?

…and when she told Dan to stop, good cosmos WOULD IT KILL YOU TO SHOW SOME MORE EMOTION YOU SLUTTY WHORE?!

I agree with you on the Sawyer/James thing but this? I mean she saved his life. Actually I was impressed how they handled the scene. I'm gonna go nerd on you for a second but this shows skillful direction AND writing.

With this scene they showed that uh….Amy....was it? Wanted them to walk into the gate. It didn't matter if one person walked in first because the others would rush to help and succumb to it themselves. So that's 1 point for writing. So how did they deal with it to make them avoid seeing the barrier from a distance and worrying about it? They emerge from a thicket arguing amongst themselves. Of course the only one being spacey NOT concerned with the barrier or where he's going in particular, is the one person who's currently on a mind trip. That's another point for writing and direction. So Juliet calls out for him to stop.

Awesome.

Why?

In that simple line we see Juliet showing that she recognizes the fence to be dangerous. This sends an important message to Amy because anybody wouldn't normally produce such a FIERCE reaction to something they've never seen before that just look like pillars.

With that line you've already set your characters in motion for a nifty cat and mouse game and they have exactly the motivation they needed for the following events.

That's thinking.

Where's Miles? I wonder if he is a member of the hostiles.

Indeed! Perhaps that's how he got his abilities?

Saywer bringing up the Black Rock was freaking neat BTW.

Hell yeah it was. I was waiting for them to give us a bitching con scene with the master at work and Sawyer chose his words perfectly. Also, did you notice how he manipulated Horace when they first met to get info about his current situation? That was awesome.

Very little reveals, too much unnecessary character focus

Perfect for me. I understand those who wish otherwise.

Everyone seems to agree the Island is Egyptian in origin now.

Or are Egyptians native to the island?

I mean, Ben did get put in the Sahara…

rusashi

I'm pretty sure if Richard's people are the native people of the island (meaning no one was there before them) then they're of ancient Egyptian descent (key hint, Richard's eyeliner.)

That would make the monster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit

and the Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat

Jacob, is Horus. Meanwhile his 4 sons would be, Locke, Walt (maybe Claire?), Christian and Horace.

I have no prior information about Egyptian mythology, but I'm interested in it now.

Greg

I'm pretty sure if Richard's people are the native people of the island (meaning no one was there before them) then they're of ancient Egyptian descent (key hint, Richard's eyeliner.)

Which is why I question, did they come from Egypt? Or did Egyptians come from the island?

This still fits in with my TOTAL BULLSHIT FANMADE THEORY that the island is the origin of life on our planet.

Senshi Mizaka

I'm pretty sure that the writers are done with the off-island flashbacks of the main characters who are still alive, unless they decide to do some for the Ajira survivors. I don't think they can say anymore about their pasts, with maybe a few exceptions. But who knows? If they do decide to do it, Caesar, or any of the other survivors could end up being interesting characters.

rusashi

I'm really not interested in any of the new passengers. Maybe they can have their own flashback episode, like how the freighter guys got theirs.

But Kate, Sayid, Sun, Ben and Hurley all should have flashbacks coming up.

Greg

I'm pretty sure that the writers are done with the off-island flashbacks of the main characters who are still alive, unless they decide to do some for the Ajira survivors.

Sorry. Gonna have to say that's not how it will be.

I don't usually say an idea is wrong but that's not how they're going to leave it. Hurley being in jail and then on the plane makes sense. Especially with a guitar.

It shall be explained.

Mugiwara_no_Ice

Great episode. I like Horace alot and I am a little surprised he is the leader of the DI, thought it would be Dr Marvin Candle.

Do anyone know how long the DI stayed on the island - it has to be longer then 20 years, but how would that coincide with rousseau's story.

@Greg:

Which is why I question, did they come from Egypt? Or did Egyptians come from the island?

This still fits in with my TOTAL BULLSHIT FANMADE THEORY that the island is the origin of life on our planet.

Wow , you guys just opened a whole new world to me.

But why would the others talk in Latin i.s.o. an ancient unknown language.

Refii

I just saw the episode… I fell in love with lost for the second time today.

Oh my fucking god, it was so amazingly awesome to see Sawyer find happiness.. I'll soon be reminded why I hated Kate all through the earlier seasons (for what a manipulative skank she is) in the next couple of episodes, but for this single episode..

Holy crap; the good writing was back.

Also, somehow: New plane crash survivors = ancient Egyptians.
If I remember my Egyptian mythology/history well (it's been some 15 years). the rulers were actually bald, and wore crowns/fake hair. Locke fits the image of the first pharaoh; all he needs is a beard.

goty

@Refii:

I just saw the episode… I fell in love with lost for the second time today.

Oh my fucking god, it was so amazingly awesome to see Sawyer find happiness.. I'll soon be reminded why I hated Kate all through the earlier seasons (for what a manipulative skank she is) in the next couple of episodes, but for this single episode...

Couldn't agree anymore. Not only my favorite episode this season, but the first in quite some time that i feel the urge to rewatch.
This is the genuine stuff what made Lost so amazing to begin: great character development and less pendulum rooms/constants/wacky scientists/ etc. It's the best Sawyer-centered episode since the epic The Long Con 3 years ago.

Greg

Wow , you guys just opened a whole new world to me.

But why would the others talk in Latin i.s.o. an ancient unknown language.

Not that my posts are so incredibly important that you need to savor every juicy detail but this goes back to something I've been saying since Season 3.

My COMPLETE BULLSHIT FANMADE THEORY that the island is the origin of life and there was an instance on the island that caused people to migrate (ie. teleport) away from it into Tunisia (right near the cradle of civilization) and populate the world.

Hence Latin, Egyptian stuff, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

Refii

@Greg:

Hence Latin, Egyptian stuff, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

If you stopped referring to it as Christianity and called it Judaism (since Christianity is a 'sect'/off-shoot of Judaism not the other way around), maybe it would be clearer.

But Latin is not. If they spoke Phoenician or Ancient Greek maybe, but Latin is a good 2000 years later than the cradle of civilization.
Also Buddha has to be born before his philosophies can become a religion…

It's a good theory, it just needs tweaking.

Greg

If you stopped referring to it as Christianity and called it Judaism (since Christianity is a 'sect'/off-shoot of Judaism not the other way around), maybe it would be clearer.

Doesn't make it less true that it's Christianity ^_^; It's just not as broad but I certainly didn't mean to exclude Jewish faith. I just didn't feel like including every single faith LOST has touched. The people at LOSTpedia have done a damn good job of that.

But Latin is not. If they spoke Phoenician or Ancient Greek maybe, but Latin is a good 2000 years later than the cradle of civilization. Also Buddha has to be born before his philosophies can become a religion…

Boy I can't win. I really hate to keep posting my theories on here but here we go again in completion.

The island is the source of human life. The island is also home to the one true deity, God, a Buddha, Laozi, whatever. They were all one thing.

These people worshipped this deity which is in reality not one singular faith, but all of them combined. In other words, the one true answer to religion.

So Buddha being born etc. has nothing to do with it. For whatever people based that character in history on, is based on a very ancient almost instinctual belief.

It was essentially everything melded together.

They lived in a paradise until a war or squabble or something broke them apart. Some had to be forced to leave, some remained. They were sent to the cradle of civilization and spread out into different areas of the world.

BASED ON WHAT THEY KNEW FROM THE ISLAND they showed different faiths, or even languages.

Some people kept spoken language records which they secretly held onto, some people created their own languages, etc. The historic facts don't really matter because the fact is, there's a good deal of 'history' that's bullshit and our knowledge of it is based on educated guesses. The writers can use that to their advantage and even if they chose not to, just the fact that people change over hundreds of years is more than enough to satisfy me.

The fact is, now that we have time and space travel possible, there is no limit as to what can or can't be explained SO LONG as it abides by their rules.

And I imagine those 'rules' are what they're going to set out to break.

Which probably won't make the all-powerful-universe too happy.

Anyway, tweak as you like. I think the theory BEGS to be tweaked, but a few historical things aren't really enough to dismiss it.

Mugiwara_no_Ice

So I didn't have to read the whole season 3 thread for this , thanks Greg for the little update. And I like this theory alot, it is amazing you came up with it in season 3.

@Greg:

So Buddha being born etc. has nothing to do with it. For whatever people based that character in history on, is based on a very ancient almost instinctual belief.

Heh this reminds me of a theory I wrote on the religion thread 'the god-gene' theory. It's a shame that thread was closed.

Nobodyman

Just thought I'd bump the thread because it's…

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