LOST Season 5 *spoilers abound*

[Ganner_Rhysode]

This episode was FANTASTIC!! Suspense from the first to the last second, tear-jerking moments (Jin & Sawyer+Co. meeting / Faraday & Charlotte…), and finally some loose ends tied up. And at what an neck-breaking pace it was, in comparisson to other Lost-episodes!! Simply fantastic.

[Senshi Mizaka]

I'm sure that alot of people called that revelation about Charlotte, but I wasn't expecting her to be the same case as Ben (Being part of Dharma). And from all the speculations, I was sorta expecting Ms. Hawking being Faraday's mother.

[Tizoc]

A lot of stuff don't make sense from this episode; is going back to the island a good idea or not? Why does Ben want them to come back? Why must they NOT come back?
How did the ruins make Danielle's team go whacko?
From what Juliet told Dan about NOT coming back to the island, it seems as if the past or future CANNOT be changed, this is pretty scary.
….also anyone else have a feeling that Claire and Jack's father went to the temple?
Why was the well sealed off but the rope was left?
Finally why in the heck was Hawkings fine with the few people that Ben brought?

Gotta say the return of the smoke monster was fucking epic! ...and Jin was awesome in this episode! However...I would have rather he stayed dead ^_^;;;;;;;;

[Tizoc]

"Is a thumb really a finger?"
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Anyone here watched Fringe? I hear its an easy to understand version of LOST.

[rusashi]

Fringe is boring. It had like, one continuing plot line, which I admit was pretty good, but aside from that there's mostly stand alone science fiction stories.

I like Supernatural better if I'm gonna get some cool plot lines and every once and a while some continuing plot.

[Tizoc]

I'll watch both then ^_^

[mkoopman]

@Tizoc:

Why was the well sealed off but the rope was left?

The rope was still there in the ground for the same reason that the losties could keep that boat after a flash.

It seems that whatever they're touching comes with them.
Which is why:
A. The rope was still there in Sawyers hands when a flash came, albeit stuck in the ground
B. The rope disappeared for Locke and he fell and whatever happened (is that bone sticking out of his leg? Or just a stick impaled into him? I couldn't tell.)

[Tizoc]

^If it was his bone then fucking OW! …and thanks for clearing up the rope thing totally forgot about that.

[Zkaiser]

John MOTHERFUCKING Locke is so goddamn manly that he KILLED HIMSELF and MOVED AN ISLAND to get his COMRADES who ESCAPED the island back to it. He doesn't take SHIT from ANYBODY and even though he had his KIDNEY STOLEN BY HIS FATHER and was THROWN OUT OF AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING BY SAID FATHER he survived as a cripple until he just fucking DECIDED that he could walk again and GOD had to BOW DOWN and let him do so.

[Selph]

john locke's fake last name (Jeremy Bentham) happens to be Bon Clay's real name. Coincidence? Will Jeremy Bentham be an okama?

[DartG]

Daniels shocked/huh?/wtf face is pretty awesome how he turns his head a bit, but his eyes stay locked on his target.

[JulieYBM]

@Zkaiser:

John MOTHERFUCKING Locke is so goddamn manly that he KILLED HIMSELF and MOVED AN ISLAND to get his COMRADES who ESCAPED the island back to it. He doesn't take SHIT from ANYBODY and even though he had his KIDNEY STOLEN BY HIS FATHER and was THROWN OUT OF AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING BY SAID FATHER he survived as a cripple until he just fucking DECIDED that he could walk again and GOD had to BOW DOWN and let him do so.

I take it he's joined the club of people stronger than Superman (MacGuyver, Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris…Son Gokû)?

[Tizoc]

@Yuugi's:

I take it he's joined the club of people stronger than Superman (MacGuyver, Jack Bauer, Chuck Norris…Son Gokû)?

…and Batman.
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[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

@Tizoc:

A lot of stuff don't make sense from this episode; is going back to the island a good idea or not? Why does Ben want them to come back? Why must they NOT come back?
How did the ruins make Danielle's team go whacko?
From what Juliet told Dan about NOT coming back to the island, it seems as if the past or future CANNOT be changed, this is pretty scary.
….also anyone else have a feeling that Claire and Jack's father went to the temple?
Why was the well sealed off but the rope was left?
Finally why in the heck was Hawkings fine with the few people that Ben brought?

Gotta say the return of the smoke monster was fucking epic! ...and Jin was awesome in this episode! However...I would have rather he stayed dead ^_^;;;;;;;;

That is also something I find interesting: Is the island a good or evil entity - or is there a battle of those forces on the island: questions i have:
-Was the opening of the hatch a good or evil thing? : Why was Walt against it? - Are Walt, Rose and others used by the good part and Locke, Eko and others by the evil side??
Can healing powers really be used by the evil faction and why must there be sacrifices (like Boone, ..)….

Well I hope someone understands.

[Yoska]

^Lost is not a Sunday morning kids cartoon show with a clear cut between good and evil. I'm pretty sure there isn't even a cut between the two anyway.

To be honest this episode didn't do it for me. Too plot driven, I suppose.

[Tizoc]

OK, how about Order and Chaos instead of Good and Evil?

[Greg]

Seems to be Christian is a villain.

I will always hold on the belief that Ben has been and always will be a hero. He has some Freudian issues but he does the shit he does for something much bigger and better.

Claire doesn't want the baby back which she probably determined from hanging out with her dad who she eventually found out to be an instrument of evil.

Christian says they ALL need to go back. Ben is satisfied with a few. Hmm…

Plus Jacob tells Locke, "Help me."

Christian sounds like a bastard. I don't like it.

[Tizoc]

Oh yeah we HAVE established that the case of the flashes could be because the wheel was out of axis right?

[Nobodyman]

@Greg:

I will always hold on the belief that Ben has been and always will be a hero. He has some Freudian issues but he does the shit he does for something much bigger and better.

I'm kinda surprised you would say that, especially after he shot Locke (your fav character right?). But yeah, he could very well be the good guy in all this, but at this point I'm not sure who to trust. Let's just say I'm much more favorable to Ben than I was in past seasons.

Also, I'm wondering where, and what the f*ck Claire is doing.

[Greg]

I'm kinda surprised you would say that, especially after he shot Locke (your fav character right?).

My favorite is Sawyer. I have a hard on for him. But Locke is fucking amazing.

But him shooting Locke may not be a villainous act. From our POV yes okay, maybe it seems like an evil thing, but he had his reasons. Keep in mind Ben, Richard and Juliet, despite being a comfy presence on the show now, they have a much MUCH better idea of exactly what's transpiring and why so when they do something, esp. Ben, it's usually for a reason.

Then maybe he was just incredibly jealous of Locke and was pissed, but either way, it seems he knew his shooting John wouldn't kill him and only delay him. Remember, the very next season he was telling John to stay close to him so he would be safe from the Freighties.

I guess this comes down to me trusting him from Season 2's finale. He IS one of the good guys.

[rusashi]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!

oh my god.

[Senshi Mizaka]

Have you had your share of awesome while watching tonight's LOST? It's only been 5 minutes, and I know I have.

! I loved the throwback to the pilot episode with Jack waking up in the jungle wearing a suit. And it's quite surprising to see a Dharma station that's off-island.

[rusashi]

! for a second I thought we were going to have some kind of mindfuck where Jack showing up on the island the second time was at the same time as when he showed up on the island the first time, then I heard Hurley scream his name. But still this has already surpassed many of the episodes of the series.
! and Locke being Jacob is starting to seem more and more likely.

[Senshi Mizaka]

Oh-ho, it only gets better!

! I was secretly hoping that we'd be seeing Frank again!

But still, this leaves some questions to answer.

! Just why is Sayid on the plane, too?
! Where the hell Aaron?

[myogatheflea]

Holy shit that episode rocked! Ben getting pummeled, Frank's epic return, and finally Jin at the end. Fucking brilliant!

[Senshi Mizaka]

Yeah, Jin in the Dharma suit really took me by surprise, too. If this season keeps the quality story-writing, I'm sure that the finale might surpass "Through the Looking Glass".

[Nobodyman]

Holy Snap! This may be the best episode so far this season! Reasons this episode rocked:

-Throwback to the first episode with the opening scene
-Ben gets beat up (what the hell happened to him?)
-Return of Lapidus
-I can tell that Hispanic guy is gonna be important
-Jin in Dharma outfit? WTF?

Next week's episode looks good. Locke's death.

[rusashi]

The best part? The rest of the season may return to flashbacks, Ben, Kate, Sayid and Hurley all have space to be filled in. Fuck this show is amazing. May also wind up getting flashbacks for the two new characters, and Lapidus.

[Tizoc]

This episode was meh; I was totally not mindfucked when I saw Kate or Hurley.
The way Ms. Hawkings acted in this ep. was too…uninteresting. Plus I fucking hated how they showed Ben having been beat up without being to WTF he did, nor how Hurley and Saeed got on the plane.
The bibilical reference from Ben wasn't all that impressive, it was like thrown in there for the heck of it.
Now the shoes; THAT I loled at.
Oh and Y the Last Man! HURLEY WAS READING Y THE LAST MAN!!!!! IN SPANISH!!!!!!!!
This book's like the comic book version of LOST, only less annoying when it comes to mysteries, but awesome overall.

Oh and that Persian/Arabian dude that gave his condolences to Jack...he must've survived, I have a feeling he has, him and the policewoman that was with Saeed.
Also shouldn't Aaron have come with them as well?

Oh and from the looks of Jin and the condition of the car, the guys must've went back in time....

[Tizoc]

Obligatory double post-

! HOLY SNAPS!!!!
Charlotte learned Korean from Jin, that's how she knew that if Sun returns to the island she will die!
This clinches it: THE FUTURE CANNOT BE CHANGED!
….but will it?

EDIT: Lostpedia's got some whack theories

! Like Ben killing Penny, which actually reminds me of something…
Isn't Ben being a hypocrite? Alex was never his daughter but he keeps insisting that she is, the only way this could be true is if he was the biological father and not Robert

Ep. still felt meh to me, and I once again bring up the wheel theory I wrote >o>, it was discussed right?

[Yoska]

@Tizoc:

Oh and Y the Last Man! HURLEY WAS READING Y THE LAST MAN!!!!! IN SPANISH!!!!!!!!
This book's like the comic book version of LOST, only less annoying when it comes to mysteries, but awesome overall.

I believe Brian K. Vaughan has written and produced couple Lost episodes. But, yeah, I'm a big fan of Y too. Probably one of the all time favourites comics, really.

And totally. That guy giving his condolences must be a new survivor.

I liked this one. I'm glad everybody are finally back on the island again. It just doesn't feel like Lost without the tropical setting.

[Tizoc]

To me it ain't much of LOST if I don't see any of Sawyer's sexiness in an ep., hopefully we get more of Sawyer now.
Sawyer, redefining Sexy since 2004.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Ooooh god what an episode.

I liked everything and it seems like the next one will be even more epic wow.

-One of my favourite actor is on the show "said taghmaoui" , the condolences-guy, I hope that he' ll get some great role on the island (little to know fact: he played in Vantage point with matthew fox).

-@Tizoc:

Obligatory double post-

! HOLY SNAPS!!!!
Charlotte learned Korean from Jin, that's how she knew that if Sun returns to the island she will die!
This clinches it: THE FUTURE CANNOT BE CHANGED!
….but will it?

EDIT: Lostpedia's got some whack theories

! Like Ben killing Penny, which actually reminds me of something…
Isn't Ben being a hypocrite? Alex was never his daughter but he keeps insisting that she is, the only way this could be true is if he was the biological father and not Robert

Ep. still felt meh to me, and I once again bring up the wheel theory I wrote >o>, it was discussed right?

! I also immediatelly thought the same Jin had to learn Korean to Charlotte.
And as for Ben, it was obvious to me that he went to kill Penny - he even told Jack he made a promise to a friend (widmore in this case) - and I don't see why he's an hypocrit about this. He was like a father to Alex, even if he's not the bioligical father. I can totally understand his love for his adopted daughter.
! I can see Desmond wanting to go back to the island now to take revenge on Ben.

-It seems our guys went back into time travel mode as soon as they were in the vicinity of the island , but I think the rest of the plane really will crash on the island in the present time - we'll see what that will mean.

And last but not least I was thinking about why desmond remembered faradays warning only after 3 years and I think I foud the answer: Ben was also sent 3 years in the future when he turned the wheel , so I think that the whole island travelled 3 years into the future to that place between LA and Guam , and the moment Faraday spoke with Desmond it was like that time in the flow of time , blah I am a terrible explainer, bof I hope someone understands this.

[DartG]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

he played in Vantage point with matthew fox).

I was trying to figure that out right after the episode. I was sitting there thinking, WHY have I seen this guy before.. Thanks for that.

! I'm really hoping that's Charlies guitar.

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

"How can you read?

My mother taught me."

Best line of the episode for me.

Oh wait, "We're not going to Guam, are we?" was also pretty good.

[JulieYBM]

But…didn't his mom die when he was born?

[Nobodyman]

@Yuugi's:

But…didn't his mom die when he was born?

Figure of speech. Give him a break (excellent point though) I actually liked his line in regard to other passengers on the plane.

"Who cares?"

LOL. He's so heartless.

[Tizoc]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

! I also immediatelly thought the same Jin had to learn Korean to Charlotte.
And as for Ben, it was obvious to me that he went to kill Penny - he even told Jack he made a promise to a friend (widmore in this case) - and I don't see why he's an hypocrit about this. He was like a father to Alex, even if he's not the bioligical father. I can totally understand his love for his adopted daughter.
! I can see Desmond wanting to go back to the island now to take revenge on Ben.

! OK maybe selfish is the proper word, BUT Alex herself never loved him, and disliked much of the stuff he did. If Ben did kill Penny in revenge of Alex, and Alex somehow returns to life and finds out what he's done, she'll hate him even more. Then again maybe there is more to Alex that Ben knows…

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

@Tizoc:

! OK maybe selfish is the proper word, BUT Alex herself never loved him, and disliked much of the stuff he did. If Ben did kill Penny in revenge of Alex, and Alex somehow returns to life and finds out what he's done, she'll hate him even more. Then again maybe there is more to Alex that Ben knows…

Not really I don't think Alex didn't love Ben , it seemed to me like she had normal teenage-behaviour towards parents.
And you clearly saw how she loved him and relied on her father just before she was shot. So to me it was a perfectly normal and sane father-daughter relationship.

[Tizoc]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

Not really I don't think Alex didn't love Ben , it seemed to me like she had normal teenage-behaviour towards parents.
And you clearly saw how she loved him and relied on her father just before she was shot. So to me it was a perfectly normal and sane father-daughter relationship.

I dunno, she only listened to Ben, because even though she hated him and didn't like the stuff he did, she knows he cares about her, plus knows more about the island so she could trust him on that.

[Refii]

This was the worst episode of Lost in its run.
Mrs Hawkins logic is ridiculous and any simpleton would simply have walked out. She begins explaining the science of the island and continues to use faith as her excuse for them going back. That was my biggest problem with her, however the bad acting and retarded logic extended to just about everything that came out of her mouth.

I really wish Dexter was a character on this show so that he could chop her up and send her to the island.

The characters really are turning into pawns the more the show progresses, they're willing to go back to the island with mere threats on their lives and the lives of those they love (Aaron). On the Island they had to sacrifice far more, but the pressures of society force them to give a shit about what others will think (staying out of jail and other cultural constraints that chain our protagonists).

Kate would have shot those lawyers on the island, Sun would have done the same to Ben and Widmore and started her own investigation to get back to the island. She has both the resources and economic funds to do what Widmore has done.
She just left her son with her mother like that? I can understand loving your husband, but not loving your infant baby is extremely un-mothering and un-natural behavior.
Ben… Ben if he killed Penny is a duche, and I hope he dies. He's been stringing everyone along so he can go back on his precious island where he is God. Because back in society he is just a weirdo that cannot fit in.

@Nobodyman:

Figure of speech. Give him a break (excellent point though) I actually liked his line in regard to other passengers on the plane.

"Who cares?"

LOL. He's so heartless.

This is absurd, fans like you ruin this show.
The show has never EVER been about flash and bad-assery, to state "who cares about the rest of the passangers" is blatant irresponsibility towards 5 seasons of Lost. No passanger on the original flight was forgotten, at the very least most of them mattered, now because there are not enough episodes to worry about them does not constitute justification for their sacrifice. Nor the crew's sacrifice of the flight-stewardess. What the #@@ were they thinking? Since when did they become animals?

This episode was terrible, I honestly want an educated response about why I am mistaken from someone like Greg, because I am severly dissapointed in the writers. This isn't "Fuck Charlie died, I hate lost" bad, this is ".. Why did I waste 10 hours downloading this and an hour watching this garbage?"

[Tizoc]

@Refii:

This was the worst episode of Lost in its run.
Mrs Hawkins logic is ridiculous and any simpleton would simply have walked out. She begins explaining the science of the island and continues to use faith as her excuse for them going back. That was my biggest problem with her, however the bad acting and retarded logic extended to just about everything that came out of her mouth.

I'ma agree with you there I do believe you mentioned my main reason for disliking her in this ep.
…BUT you have to take into consideration, that the gang had underwent a lot of bizarre stuff on the island, so Hawkings telling it to them casually would make sense, by now they should've gotten used to freaky stuff happening around them

I really wish Dexter was a character on this show so that he could chop her up and send her to the island.

I really wish I could spare some time to watch Season 1, then 2 then 3, Dexter feels oh so sexy.

Ben… Ben if he killed Penny is a duche, and I hope he dies. He's been stringing everyone along so he can go back on his precious island where he is God. Because back in society he is just a weirdo that cannot fit in.

Totally agree with you there, just look at everything Ben was when he was on the island. I am still confused about why he shot Locke, then when Locke came back, he wasn't acting like he was when he shot him, and then when he went to turn the wheel to move the island, he tells Locke that he is sorry for all he did to him. Now I could understand why Locke himself would forgive him, but Ben's actions…they just don't fit sometimes.

This episode was terrible, I honestly want an educated response about why I am mistaken from someone like Greg, because I am severly dissapointed in the writers. This isn't "Fuck Charlie died, I hate lost" bad, this is ".. Why did I waste 10 hours downloading this and an hour watching this garbage?"

I still hold that this ep. sucked, BUT it did offer some interesting stuff to consider about the whole plot in general.
Oh and I took….nearly an hour or so to DL this ep. ^^;;;;;, benefits of knowing where to Direct DL from ^^;;;;;;;;
BTW your last sentence is ummm, let's just say it may eliminate the credibility of why you found this ep. to be pretty bad...

[rusashi]

I don't feel like actually putting in all the effort that Greg puts into his posts, but this episode was far from horrible.

Lost usually has a science vs faith type of conflict. Eloise pretty much united the two. There were things that weren't amazing, but there were things that made the episode great.

This was the worst episode of Lost in its run.
Mrs Hawkins logic is ridiculous and any simpleton would simply have walked out. She begins explaining the science of the island and continues to use faith as her excuse for them going back. That was my biggest problem with her, however the bad acting and retarded logic extended to just about everything that came out of her mouth.

Of course they're going to listen to her, who else are they going to listen to? There's things about the Oceanic 6 that we don't know yet. Next week is sure to fill in some of the blanks. They all have reasons above that we know why they're going back to the Island. We'll get flashbacks for Kate/Sun/Sayid/Hurley to fill us in on why they went to the airport, and how they got there.

The show has never EVER been about flash and bad-assery, to state "who cares about the rest of the passangers" is blatant irresponsibility towards 5 seasons of Lost. No passanger on the original flight was forgotten, at the very least most of them mattered, now because there are not enough episodes to worry about them does not constitute justification for their sacrifice. Nor the crew's sacrifice of the flight-stewardess. What the #@@ were they thinking? Since when did they become animals?

All of the passengers probably survived. Who says they didn't? The two characters in first class will probably turn into semi-main characters. The series was written with the concept of what the Island is from the end to the beginning, it's not like they're making shit up as they go along. They know what they're doing, now sit back and enjoy the ride that is next weeks episode.

[Refii]

@Tizoc:

BTW your last sentence is ummm, let's just say it may eliminate the credibility of why you found this ep. to be pretty bad…

My point in that sentence is for people that have read my gripes with this show before. This episode wasn't something that stylistically did not agree with me (aka killing off my favorite character), it was how apathetic the entire cast seemed at everything going on around them.

It was like they were riding in the back seat the whole time. I honestly felt Ben could have walked up to Jack and said "Here this is poison, drink it" and he would have done it.

John Lock committed suicide ffs! This whole time we assumed that in order to leave the island, the trip would kill him (loss of blood or his broken legs or he's just not meant to leave the island alive)… now we find out he makes it back to the real world and he hangs himself ...I don't know maybe I'm the weird one.

[Greg]

Okay hands up those of you who think this show is going way too fucking fast for its own good.

Darlton have succumbed to the masses and their own self-imposed deadline and it's not a good thing.

I take no issue with the explanations. Lost has been science VS faith from day 1. They couldn't have made it any clearer with a doctor going to head with a paraplegic that could walk after a plane crash. There have been hints of it along the way in big ways and in small just as have the time elements. Lost is going to address religion. Not Christianity. Not Buddhism. Not State Taoism. Not Judiasm. Nor any faith directly. It's going to address religion as religion and a big part of that revolves around faith.

However.

That aside, Ms. Hawkin's scene was one of the most horrific scenes the series has offered.

There is a reason for this.

We are on the cusp of getting all the answers and knowing everything. After 4.5 years of tiny hints scattered about like crumbs, they're starting to tell us things bluntly but they can't give out just every detail quite yet which is why some of it seems…odd. She's explaining things somewhat matter-of-factly but things probably aren't quite that simple. There are still things we have yet to learn that in retrospect will help make some of that make sense but I must say, it was definitely WAY TOO GODDAMN FAST!

No really. Who the FUCK thought it was going to be a good idea to stick LOST on permanent fast forward? After dicking around with Hurley's family for an episode (which I totally don't mind) and then showing us our jungle buddies wandering through the island randomly, we suddenly get two MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR developmental episodes that were so packed with shit happening it ceased to be interesting and seemed more like they were just vomitting the answers for answers sake.

This bullshit would not have happened if there were more episodes.

I like LOST BECAUSE it's slow, because it's methodical and because it takes a good long look at what makes our characters tick. Now it's like they're just doing things for the sole purpose of wrapping up loose ends because they HAVE to, not because they want to.

Charlotte's death? WHO GIVES A FUCK!? She was around for like MAYBE and hour and a half of screentime total. And yet they had the stones to:

1. Attempt to give her a dramatic send-off.
2. During said attempt they added a LAUGHLY rushed version of their "Someone Just Died So We're Sad M'kay?" music.

Also, this just randomly came to mind but, why is Miles suddenly a fucking idiot?

"How'd Charlotte know this was here?"

JACKASS WRITER!!!! Miles was the first person to SAY to Charlotte it wasn't her first time there. For Chrissake!

Also, was it me or was Sawyer's, "Thank you God!…....I TAKE THAT BACK!", forced or what? I feel like the writers are talking down to me. No shit guys. He went from thinking he was being saved to a maelstrom at sea in the middle of the night, a shot of him being grumpy and starting to paddle would have been superb but no, you had to show how clever the reversal of the situation was. There should have been a subtitle at the bottom of the screen, Get it?

They better drop this act fucking fast and get back on track because now, at the most important time in the series, they could easily destroy the most emotional and fascinating moments by rushing. LOST could cease being LOST and end up a TV show.

Okay, now that's dealt with. About this episode.

Guys....

Come on....

I mean I know they've been tripping over themselves for two VERY important episodes but what show is this?

Plus I fucking hated how they showed Ben having been beat up without being to WTF he did, nor how Hurley and Saeed got on the plane.

Come on dude. This is LOST. Do you think they're going to let us go without seeing what transpired? I mean, this is the only show where you can still be a main character after you die.

They didn't show us because they didn't want to for WTF moments. Most of which involved us seeing people that, no way in fucking hell should have been together, were suddenly all gathered in one spot.

At first I thought Ben broke Hurley out of prison but when Hugo was surprised to see him I instantly realized exactly what caused Hurley to join. Sayid I'm not sure but Ben could easily have set him up as a terrorist needing transport to Asia. Frank is science VS faith. Kate is WTF. And Jack, well, I'm sure we'll find out when we find out exactly what Locke said to him before he died.

Anyway, it's clear we're going to find out exactly what happened during this episode. Probably sooner rather than later.

Um regarding Jack being amazed at everyone being together. I dunno if it was the writing or his acting. More like a twisted combination I think. But neither was really interesting or believable. Necessary? Yes. Because we needed to see the shift in Jack from denying what's going on before his eyes to becoming Neo but I didn't buy it. Nor did I buy Kate's, "We're just riding a plane.", or whatever she said. That was just fucking stupid.

Also, is it me or are they shovelling out less money for LOST despite the decreased episode count? That plane warp or whatever scene was fucking weak. Made the pilot look like a goddamn Michael Bay romp. So was Jack waking up in the jungle. When they used the footage from episode 1 at the very start you could identify the switch in film quality. It wouldn't have bothered me if they reshot his eye closeup but it totally distracts the careful viewer from the scene.

Oh and what was with the One Piece bullshit they pulled at the end with the neverending recap? Was anybody else looking around the room trying to figure out how/why that went on so fucking long? They've done that before, showing an intro then going back to it. Like Carl (Karl?) in the boat but they usually cut it down to like nothing. Here it felt like they were purposely spinning their wheels which I wouldn't have cared about so much if not for rushing the rest of the production!

Jack with grandpa Jack was dumb as fuck.

Why in the HELL would a grieving wife send her husband's belongings to her in-law? That whole bit was unecessary. So unecessary it better end up being important.

Was it just me or did the start of the episode say "46 hours earlier" then not long after that (certainly not 10 hours) Ms. Hawking said '36 hours' were left? Who are you? And what have you done with my meticulously attentive to detail LOST?!

And one more dig.

The butcher asks Jack, "What in the bag?"

Yeah. I ask people what they carry around in their personal belongings all the time. Now, I could see this line as relevant IF she pursued the matter and/or wanted to make sure he wasn't going to do anything to 'harm' John but no, she just lets it go. HUH!? The reason for this line was, again, the Writers winking at us, "See look! Jack brought a bag! Wonder what's inside?!", yeah thanks cock-polishers. I needed to be told that, your show of how clever you are comes with the sacrfice of ANY BELEVABILITY. I only forgave this stupidity due to the incredible 'conversation' between Jack and Jeremy Deadtham.

All in all my favorite part of the episode was that we got an explanation for Christian's funeral footwear fashion.

[rusashi]

you guys look way too into this show, it's just a TV show. It's still good TV, better then 99% of what else is out there.

Look at the other Lost wannabees and what they've become. Heroes and Prison Break. Lost is nowhere near the horrible television that both have became.

[Refii]

Did you enjoy the Matrix?
Did you enjoy Matrix 2 and 3?

When you make a show like Lost or Prison Break, but more-so Lost because we knew there was an expiration date for Lost, the creators explicitly stated "I will not write more than 6 seasons."
You don't drop an episode like this during sweeps. Any other show would be canceled after an episode like this, but because it is "lost" or "heroes," we allow room for mistakes.

Writing an episode that ignores ideas built up for the past seasons, pissed fans off, especially when they've been following the show for 5 seasons and did not simply sit and watch 4 seasons in a week. An episode that only come out once a week should be better quality.
I know shows that come out once a day and have better quality writing than the particular episode.

This is the same problem people have with athletes that do not play certain games because they do not feel a need to play. For example a game where Kobe plays 20 minutes with 2-14 shooting, no assists, 2 rebounds and 5 turnovers. It's unprofessional; (I'm not referring to if he is injured).

[Greg]

Weeeeell I dunno if any other show would be cancelled, but maybe you were exaggerating on purpose.

Prison Break has had some major stinkers in its run and this past episode didn't even touch their level of inept writing.

However, these past two episodes have been extremely rushed. I have a feeling the reason is to get us to where the writers want us and they'll step off the gas but I found myself agreeing with IGN (amazing I know) that even though these were huge episodes they both kind of dropped with the impact of a feather and were even insulting.

Again, I wouldn't be so disappointed if I didn't hold the show to such high standards.

For people that just want, "THE ANSWERS OMFG", I'm sure they're great but I'm less interested in getting the answers and seeing the characters interact.

Also, I don't think we should be worried about the other passengers.

Hey you know what'd be freaky? If those other passengers ended up being Others ^o^

[Tizoc]

@Greg:

Okay hands up those of you who think this show is going way too fucking fast for its own good.

Darlton have succumbed to the masses and their own self-imposed deadline and it's not a good thing.

I felt that only in this ep., but I guess this is what happens when most of the previous eps. were slow paced and at times added more confusing stuff than it should. (Avoids the urge of putting the blame on Jeph Loeb)

I take no issue with the explanations. Lost has been science VS faith from day 1. They couldn't have made it any clearer with a doctor going to head with a paraplegic that could walk after a plane crash.

Not to mention that punching on the chests of people who are thought to be dead can bring them back to life

There have been hints of it along the way in big ways and in small just as have the time elements. Lost is going to address religion. Not Christianity. Not Buddhism. Not State Taoism. Not Judiasm. Nor any faith directly. It's going to address religion as religion and a big part of that revolves around faith.

I….never saw it as that. I do have an idea of what it address but I can't think of the proper words to put it in. Then again I'm mainly waiting for the series to end to see if I'm on the right track.

After dicking around with Hurley's family for an episode (which I totally don't mind) and then showing us our jungle buddies wandering through the island randomly, we suddenly get two MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR developmental episodes that were so packed with shit happening it ceased to be interesting and seemed more like they were just vomitting the answers for answers sake.

Sorry I kinda don't understand this paragraph very well, but one thing I was hoping they would be done with is Hurley's character development, but I think is a jab as to how no matter how much a person's life changes there may be something to make them feel down with their life.

This bullshit would not have happened if there were more episodes.

I kinda agree with you on that.

I like LOST BECAUSE it's slow, because it's methodical and because it takes a good long look at what makes our characters tick. Now it's like they're just doing things for the sole purpose of wrapping up loose ends because they HAVE to, not because they want to.

That can happen to various series, its the same with Lost. As much as I don't mind some stuff not explained and left ambiguous, the thing with LOST is that everything is connected.

Charlotte's death? WHO GIVES A FUCK!? She was around for like MAYBE and hour and a half of screentime total. And yet they had the stones to:

1. Attempt to give her a dramatic send-off.
2. During said attempt they added a LAUGHLY rushed version of their "Someone Just Died So We're Sad M'kay?" music.

I think when we see the gang's escapade in the past, we'd actually feel more about this scene, I mean how else could Charlotte have learned Korean?

Also, this just randomly came to mind but, why is Miles suddenly a fucking idiot?

"How'd Charlotte know this was here?"

JACKASS WRITER!!!! Miles was the first person to SAY to Charlotte it wasn't her first time there. For Chrissake!

Actually what if this is just a coverup for something we'll see in later episodes? Despite being on the island, Juliet never knew about some of the stuff on it, so maybe the same goes for Charolette?

Also, was it me or was Sawyer's, "Thank you God!…....I TAKE THAT BACK!", forced or what? I feel like the writers are talking down to me. No shit guys. He went from thinking he was being saved to a maelstrom at sea in the middle of the night, a shot of him being grumpy and starting to paddle would have been superb but no, you had to show how clever the reversal of the situation was. There should have been a subtitle at the bottom of the screen, Get it?

Did Sawyer really dislike the rain on the island? Consider the times when it was raining on the island, I believe there were very few of them.
I do feel it is forced, but that line was the most humorous one I've seen in the series in a long time.

They better drop this act fucking fast and get back on track because now, at the most important time in the series, they could easily destroy the most emotional and fascinating moments by rushing. LOST could cease being LOST and end up a TV show.

…but in the end it is a TV show, I know how highly you regard it, but being a TV show isn't bad, its an accomplishment as a TV show is what matters.

Come on dude. This is LOST. Do you think they're going to let us go without seeing what transpired? I mean, this is the only show where you can still be a main character after you die.

My main gripe about it is, if you look back at when Daniel and co. were introduced you at least got some short scenes that somewhat gave a reason for their inclusion, then in a later episode you find out who gathered them.

They didn't show us because they didn't want to for WTF moments. Most of which involved us seeing people that, no way in fucking hell should have been together, were suddenly all gathered in one spot.

I personally think there were various scenes that could've been skipped/omitted to show the reasons how they got on the plane.

Speaking of Frank, am I the only one who disliked his shaved face? He no longer sexy man!

Jack with grandpa Jack was dumb as fuck.

I just want to be sure that his Grandfather was mentioned previously, cuz I feel they just recently decided to have him in it for Jack to get the shoes.

BTW I skimmed through the book Hurley was reading and uh…couldn't find anything that MIGHT be related to the events that had and may occur.

[Greg]

I think when we see the gang's escapade in the past, we'd actually feel more about this scene, I mean how else could Charlotte have learned Korean?

I entirely agree. Charlotte's story is far from done and EXCELLENT connection with her and Korean. Now it makes sense.

BUT

That is not my qualm with the scene. It's how they couldn't decide what they wanted it to be.

"Do we be emotional? Do we do it fast? AAAAH FUUUCK!!!!!", and they just scribbled some stuff with their eyes closed. If it's going to be more emotional in retrospect, they should have spent more time on it and made it less cheap.

Which begs the question, why bother making it hastened and cheap in the first place UNLESS it wasn't going to be that big of a deal?

Either choice results in something nasty and so it must endure my undying flame of rage.

Did Sawyer really dislike the rain on the island? Consider the times when it was raining on the island, I believe there were very few of them.

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I do feel it is forced, but that line was the most humorous one I've seen in the series in a long time.

He didn't need to say a thing, they basically ruined a GREAT scene by adding an explanation to their joke. He might as well have looked directly into the camera while he was saying it and raped the 4th Wall up the ass.

…but in the end it is a TV show, I know how highly you regard it, but being a TV show isn't bad, its an accomplishment as a TV show is what matters.

I was being sardonic. LOST is a TV show. But when you look at the other piles of horse shit on TV, LOST is (typically) way more than a 'TV show'. In some ways I think it's redefined what a TV show can be. To find a show that doesn't dumb down its content JUST to appeal to the masses or actually gasp has a stone canon that it follows, a result of creating the story with the ending in mind, is amazing. And for it to last SIX seasons? Come on. Twin Peaks broke a fuck load of barriers and even that only went 2 seasons before people that 'didn't get it' tuned out.

LOST makes it hard to watch other television programs. I have a feeling after it and Prison Break (a shadow of its former self) are gone all I'll have left is my guilty pleasure in Desperate Housewives and the NEVER-EVER-NEVER changing world of House. Christ, there's more story advancement in Simpsons but I'll be damned if I don't enjoy his clever quips.

My main gripe about it is, if you look back at when Daniel and co. were introduced you at least got some short scenes that somewhat gave a reason for their inclusion, then in a later episode you find out who gathered them.

But didn't we get that here? We see Sayid apprehended for some reason. We know that Hurley has 'spoken' to somebody or something that isn't Ben that forced him to get himself out of jail (I'll give you one guess). Ben is bloody for some reason and no Desmond or Penny in sight. And Kate…wow.

So yeah, we basically got our setup. It just wasn't that mysterious.

I personally think there were various scenes that could've been skipped/omitted to show the reasons how they got on the plane.

But…that's my point. We're going to see how they got on the plane. It's going to be told by flashbacks. They wanted to show us the end result so we just go, "WTF!? Hurley is supposed to be in jail!!!" Mark my words, we'll see EXACTLY what happened to the Oceanic 6 + Ben, Locke, Desmond, Penny probably not Frank though. I haven't read spoilers, I just know that's exactly what they're going to do.

I just want to be sure that his Grandfather was mentioned previously, cuz I feel they just recently decided to have him in it for Jack to get the shoes.

It'll make sense when we learn that Christian is the son of SATAN.
jk

As for religious themes in the show, believe me, religion and faith is the very center of LOST. Some of the themes are mere coincidence, some of them are on purpose.

If my theory is right, the Island will be home to the origin of all civilization and home to a society that worshipped their god but for some reasons, difference in beliefs perhaps, things didn't work out and the people split up, perhaps being sent to various places on earth like the Middle East or East Asia, the REAL cradle of civilization.

I mean, Ben got shot off to Africa right?

Anyway, with so many people going to various locations on earth and being separated by massive tracts of land, their religion changed over time and they worshipped in different ways.

Some formed Christianity, some formed Buddhism, etc. but all focused on generally similar themes.

This is why we've seen a hodgepodge of world religions on the island, because they all came from THERE.

When they called 'em Adam and Eve, they weren't kidding.

Anyway, that's how I've seen it since Season 3. Could easily be wrong as I was with Annie and Danielle.

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closer still.