Chapter 508 "Isle of Carnage" Discussion
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Monsterous growth (+4/+4) costs 1 green and one colourless though. (I know because I went and doublechecked before posting that)
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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(What he really did was pull out his magic the gathering deck, took out one green and one colourless mana and tapped them for the spell.)
lol. Some of my friends used to play that when we were younger. hehe.
Yeah. The monstrous growth is it.
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As my wife says so often:
NERDS!!rofl she's probably right to :silly:
edit: btw to keep it on subject a little bit, I don't think the change in size of Urouge is the effect of a devils fruit. It's probably just a short powerup like Luffy's gears.
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Ohhh, I like the way you think. That certainly would make fighting Capone more interesting. Most attacks would be reduced to small pokes and scratches.
To be honest, most upper tier fighters can destroy armies and armies of fodder. I'd like to see Capone's special abilities and how he deals with a strong individual who can easily dismantle his "fodder army."
Mybe that is a testemant to him not being upper tier?
He has a low bounty, that could be to conserving in fights and in public, or just running from them. -___-
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I'm proud to say that I had to go look at my brothers cards.
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You are aware that it's not possible unless he's a stick figure right? Those
roomsmajestic halls that are visible through the openings are far too big to be a special suit on a normal person. there is also the fact that a door is opened in that scarf or whatever it is he has around his neck and that we can see his underlings inside his right eye.Besides that shrink power seems to automatically affects anything within a certain radius from Bege.
I don't know, I just figured that it was his suit because with his coat and everything being so bulgy, that the explanation would be a custom suit decked with a castle like interior. As for his crew inside his right eye; this is Oda we're talking about who has time and again defied physics and biology with even normal characters' actions, whose to say he doesn't realize that human eyes are not hollow, lol.
I do agree that his shrink powers are radius based (which probably means he can't just shrink his enemies and stomp on them) but I doubt they're automatic because in the restaurant scene the waiter/crewmemmber got pretty close to him without shrinking and since Bebe can shrinks inanimate objects like cannons and weapons that would mean he could never sit on a chair if his powers were automatic since he'd instantly shrink it! I'm not against the possibly that his body may not be normal to account for the castle-ness, but I think it can be boiled down to something as simple as shrink powers.
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Maybe he had to "touch" the person who he is gonna deal Damage too. I think the Person wo gain the Kick, was the guy in chapter 508, wo meet Hawkins… damn, bad english, i hope u know what i mean >_<
PropheT – excellent!I was wondering if he or his crew had to come into contact with victims first, but didn't have the time to research it myself. If you're right -- and contact's a condition of his power -- then we might be able to predict who his next victims are, based on who he meets before he leaves the island.
Now it's clear why he has a reputation for killing innocent civilians, yes?
(Because he's more likely to interact with them on a daily basis than with high ranking pirates or Marines -- though there's no shortage of either on the archipelago currently, which should make his victim choices that much more interesting. Since the Mugiwara have to mill around for three days, and they planned to split up, the odds of at least one of them encountering him are pretty high -- assuming they can defeat the Kuma-bot).
@Green:
Hm, now that there is a Kuma Korps running around, it seems that Kuma isn't a loner anymore, he's got a sort of "crew" of his own.
Which means that of all the Shichibukai we've seen, Mihawk is the only one operating without a crew. Well, at least till we see the last one, that is.Interesting point – and hey, that's more proof that the "urban legend" of Shichibukai abandoning their crews ... is just that: an urban legend. Another possibility though (credit to Throes for this idea) is that the WG built Kuma-bots without Kuma's knowledge and/or consent.
Personally. I get the feeling that the Strawhats will annihilate the Kuma they are currently facing, which will leave them somewhat baffled. Then when they realize there is more than one we will get the answer we all are wanting about the Kuma's.
Well, judging by Zoro's response, he's already suspicious about if this is Kuma or not – because the real Kuma, as he remembers him, was a tough bastard who kept his promises -- whereas this Kuma-bot is just a tough bastard. If this is the real Kuma, then he's uncharacteristically broken his deal with Zoro by firing at Luffy and the crew, but if he's a clone or replica, the deal doesn't matter, because it only applied to the real Kuma.
I mean, they MADE these guys ~~ and MADE them able to closely match the best of the Rookies …. Not exactly balanced right? So we shouldn't underestimate the Kuma's just yet.
Yep. I think you're right about the upgrades and the test runs.
These guys have the words "recurring nightmare" written all over them."Over-thinking,
over-analyzing …"
......-- Tool (from Lateralus)
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@Preston:
I don't know, I just figured that it was his suit because with his coat and everything being so bulgy, that the explanation would be a custom suit decked with a castle like interior. As for his crew inside his right eye; this is Oda we're talking about who has time and again defied physics and biology with even normal characters' actions, whose to say he doesn't realize that human eyes are not hollow, lol.
I do agree that his shrink powers are radius based (which probably means he can't just shrink his enemies and stomp on them) but I doubt they're automatic because in the restaurant scene the waiter/crewmemmber got pretty close to him without shrinking and since Bebe can shrinks inanimate objects like cannons and weapons that would mean he could never sit on a chair if his powers were automatic since he'd instantly shrink it! I'm not against the possibly that his body may not be normal to account for the castle-ness, but I think it can be boiled down to something as simple as shrink powers.
Sorry, I phrased that oddly. I meant automatic while active, in the sense he doesnt have to choose to shrink the cannonball when it enters his aura or whatever, not that his power was always active.
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I still have to gather my thoughts on this chapter so I'll just make a passing comment for now.
Page 12, bottom right hand corner image of Hawkins' crew.
Hawkins has a CAT as a nakama! XD
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Well, judging by Zoro's response, he's already suspicious about if this is Kuma or not
Well, I would say if anything they feel that something is merely different. They have no reason to think or even believe that there is more than one Kuma, let alone think it is possible. Once / If they defeat this one, I would expect Zoro to say something along the lines of "For some reason he was not the same as he was last time, as if it were not the same person" ~~ confused of course. Which is what I meant. They would be confused, and know nothing conclusive (much like us), which would lead to their learning the total truth (at the same time as we do). I think that makes what I was saying a little clearer?
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Im impressed by Capones way of fighting, you can never predict his attacks cause you cant see what theyre doing inside of him, and he can attack from pretty much everywhere on his body and send out minions to distract/attack opponents. Also with him being a castle and all does that mean hes sort of made of stone ?
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Well, I would say if anything they feel that something is merely different. They have no reason to think or even believe that there is more than one Kuma, let alone think it is possible. Once / If they defeat this one, I would expect Zoro to say something along the lines of "For some reason he was not the same as he was last time, as if it were not the same person" ~~ confused of course. Which is what I meant. They would be confused, and know nothing conclusive (much like us), which would lead to their learning the total truth (at the same time as we do). I think that makes what I was saying a little clearer?
Ummm, … yes?
sweatWell, I think I get what you're saying, and I agree – it might be beyond Zoro at the moment to think of this guy as a clone. What he may be thinking is: "Kuma said he was 'incomplete' -- so is this his 'complete' form? And in becoming 'complete' did he forget or ignore the deal we made?"
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Wow. Just read it. Well, I heard of the theories of Kuma clones but I really wasn't sure of it. Seeing him fight Law and Kidd really did raise suspicians but here we see two Kuma's in different places at different times and that's not counting the one that we previously saw fighting. Now, the one that is fighting the SH is most definitely not the real Kuma, and I'm pretty sure the one that Drake knocked down isn't him either.
It would make sense now. Kuma, being "the mos obediant Shichibukai" and him being the one guy out of ALL of the Shichibukai that troubled Gecko Moria the most. Now Doflamingo, Mihawk or any other. It was Kuma. It seems like Kuma clones are used to help keep things under control when the real one is doing more important things, like fighting the Whitebeard Pirates.
EDIT: Also, seeing Bege's ability is pretty cool. I would have never actually guessed that. It's also cool to see the other Supernova's in action. This was a great chapter!
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The deal was only for Thriller Bark. It would be boring if Kuma mustn’t attack, because of a promise. Further the deal was Zoro’s head for Luffy’s. Because of that Kuma don’t brake a promise because Zoro lives. Kuma was only nice at this moment. Nobody knows how nice the real Kuma in the next meeting is.
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Hawkins has a CAT as a nakama! XD
Oh yeah! Suddenly Chopper doesn't seem so strange…...?
Sorry, bored with my last few minutes at work…...@__Dinty__: Yeah….sorry. I guess I didn't really make anything clear. I know what I mean, but apparently I don't know how to type out what I mean. I will go commit Seppuku now.
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Only the Top-Tier Novas have animal Nakama.
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to me apooo has a zoan df.. ? frog ? salamander ? toad ?
it seems he also has an animal as nakama:
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Yeah I had a friend help me translate that part since the Franky House scan was confusing. He means with only ten dolls it would be unwise to face an Admiral, in which case your theory makes more sense…...ugh. Translations.
cnet updated his trans and changed "ten men" to "ten dolls".
Well, the real Kuma being the one with the Devil Fruit and all, it is not all that far fetched to assume he is the most advanced ~~ and the most powerful. Offensive and Defensive. So perhaps harder. Perhaps.Kuma-Squad #1 of course!
Well while i understand that Kuma has the devil fruit and a personality. There's nothing to say he was built any differently. We know he's the prototype and while it's possible they toned down his offensive and defensive ability. right now there's nothing to say so for sure. all in all, i actually suspect the Pacifista the mugiwara are fighting now, will either blow up at the beginning of the next chapter or with Luffy's first punch.
so what your saying is ur surprised franky at full power could hurt kuma than a weak sanji n Zoro???
Basically yeah, i kinda figured that a Sanji or Zoro on their death bed was stronger than any of the second tier fighters (Robin, Franky or Brooke).
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to me apooo has a zoan df.. ? frog ? salamander ? toad ?
it seems he also has an animal as nakama:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/14/apoo already has those long arms. he may be one of the few novas who doesnt have a fruit.
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Now I wonder….that guy at the end, who I'm making a wild guess is Sentomouru, said that if Kizaru doesn't hurry up, then there won't be anyone left. Now, was that person talking about the Supernova's.....or the Kuma clones?
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Now I wonder….that guy at the end, who I'm making a wild guess is Sentomouru, said that if Kizaru doesn't hurry up, then there won't be anyone left. Now, was that person talking about the Supernova's.....or the Kuma clones?
Pretty sure he meant the Supernovae when he said there would be noone left.
Why would he be worried about the pirates getting defeated by the Kumabots?
Worried about? I was thinking more along the lines of being bored. He wants to fight them himself, and doesn't want the 'kuma bots" to steal all the glory and the fun.
edit: His initial comment alone about the Pirate not being able to make it in the New World is more than sufficient evidence to assume he at least is interested in strong fighters or the powerful. So, in conjunction with his ridiculous axe, he probably likes a good brawl.
Just to get you up to date. It was a ways back…....so, no worries =)
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Wow, Urouge went Xyber Huge. His bigness is perfection.
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Awesome chapter,I can't wait for Apoo to show his Devil fruit
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Oh, I see. Thanks for that!
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hmm
ive just had an idea
i think that those 2 little things coming out of hawkin's arms are the 2 people that he redirected the damage from kizaru's attacks to
coz one of the little voodoo things is smoking just like the guy that got hit by kizaru's finger lazer thingMmmm watcha say?
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hmm
ive just had an idea
i think that those 2 little things coming out of hawkin's arms are the 2 people that he redirected the damage from kizaru's attacks to
coz one of the little voodoo things is smoking just like the guy that got hit by kizaru's finger lazer thingWE MIGHT JUST HAVE A GENIUS ON OUR HANDS FOLKS!
Seriously, good eye kid
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WE MIGHT JUST HAVE A GENIUS ON OUR HANDS FOLKS!
Seriously, good eye kidyayay
lol
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I think the 'Kuma clones' are really robots with skin (before you bash, remember Franky). The prototype we know as Kuma is really the most advanced where he is the first to 'eat' a devil fruit. The devil fruit gave him a personality (sort of like weapons eating fruits). He went on his own, and the gvoernment placed a big bounty on his head to try and get someone to catch him. When the caught him, he was already greatly feared, so they made him on of the Shikcibukai (can't spell tonight). That is the story of Kuma…
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Sorry double posted…sorry...
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Chopper's human fruit is the only one I can think of that could possibly make a machine go meet up with Garp for tea and crackers.
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maybe kuma was once a supreme pirate but then he got really badly injured in a battle
the marines (mostly vegapunk) saved him on the condition that they could make clones of him and he would become an obedient shichibukai -
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I wonder how many Kuma copies there are in all?
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Some feedback on the Rookie action we got this chapter:
I agree with the earlier post about Capone's DF power. Oda has really reached a Jojo level of strange, creative powers. It's probably one of my favorites in the series now.
Hawkins' abilities look bizarre, too. I'd probably like him more if his design didn't make me think of a reject from the main cast of Kingdom Hearts.
It seems that Urouge relies solely on brute strength. And, I don't know what to say about Drake. But, the interaction between him and Kizaru is bound to be interesting, seeing as they seem to know each other from his past in the Marines.
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In case you didn't know, Hawkin's design is based off a drummer named Joyce Jordison.
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Don't know if this theory has been brought up before, but after this chapter, it's making me feel something different.
As far as we know, it seems that neither of the three Kumas appear to be the actual Shichibukai, or at the least that the Kuma fighting Kidd and Law could be the real one.
This brings me to my theory that these Kumas could just be used for a test to acquire data from Dr. Vegapunk. The Rookies are seemly now going to go all out against what they appear to be Shichibukai Kuma. Even Luffy said he wasn't going to hold anything back. Along with the Kuma clone taking Franky's Coup de Vent, Vegapunk's knowledge would definately have come up with something to record fight data from a machine.
But my one concern is Sentoumaru statement and hopefully finding out more in the next chapter.
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so, there are 2 kuma???
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Epic!!! Oda is freakin' creative. So many questions…
Did Kizaru used Rokushiki? It looked like he used Soru, Rankyaku, and Shigan in light-speed.
I know he has no reason to but, will Apoo help if Urouge, Hawkins, and Drake have trouble with Kizaru and the Kumabot? Seems like he is itching to fight too after all the commotion.
Also, is it established that Hawkins used a DF ability?
I would prefer him to be an actual Shaman or something like how Perona can control her "ghosts". -
Looking at the chapter there's one fighting Law and Kidd, one fighting Urouge, Hawkins, and Drake, and one fighting the SH. So right now, at least three. Of these, none of them might not be the real Kuma, or at least none of the ones that showed up in 508.
Kizaru just did a kick "at the speed of light". No Rokushiki shown/involved.
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Epic!!! Oda is freakin' creative. So many questions…
Did Kizaru used Rokushiki? It looked like he used Soru, Rankyaku, and Shigan in light-speed.
I know he has no reason to but, will Apoo help if Urouge, Hawkins, and Drake have trouble with Kizaru and the Kumabot? Seems like he is itching to fight too after all the commotion.
Also, is it established that Hawkins used a DF ability?
I would prefer him to be an actual Shaman or something like how Perona can control her "ghosts".Perona is a devil fruit user too though
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/10/ Shigan?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/19/ Soru?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/16/ Rankyaku?
I guess I just want to see a rokushiki master stronger than Lucci
Perona??? must have missed it
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Horo Horo Fruit: Allows her to create ghosts and also separate her spirit from her body.
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hmm
ive just had an idea
i think that those 2 little things coming out of hawkin's arms are the 2 people that he redirected the damage from kizaru's attacks to
coz one of the little voodoo things is smoking just like the guy that got hit by kizaru's finger lazer thingWow, that's an excellent observation. Good job!
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/10/ Shigan?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/19/ Soru?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/16/ Rankyaku?
I guess I just want to see a rokushiki master stronger than Lucci
Perona??? must have missed it
What did she eat?Well, it seems to me that Kizaru may have light powers. The first link would look to me to be a laser beam. For your second, If he had light powers, he could just disapear and reapear. The third was exactly what he said. A kick at the speed of light….or at least a very fast kick, but it was glowing and looked to be materializing out of light. Oh, I'm sure that Rokushiki will show up again. After all, Coby is training in it now.
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I know its been posted a million times but 'Great chapter!'. Truly the best one I've seen in a while.
Did anyone notice the scar on the left side of Sentomaru's face? I mused the thought of him having some connecting to the scarred faces of the D clan, but that seems really outta left field. But then again so was another member of Luffy's family no one even gave much thought to.
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I know everyone has a theory about the real Kuma being the one that Kidd and Law are fighting but i think they're all fakes, because all the 1st Kuma said was Law's name which could just be an automated response, after all these robots probably has all the names of wanted pirates in their data banks so it isn't too surprising that it knows Law's name.
